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#1: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-15 17:13:23 by wahdidah

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>>What do you people think Vader was thinking when he was looking at
>>Luke and then at Palpatine and then back to Luke?
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>
I"m sure the thought that perhaps he was duped by the almighty Emperor
entered into his head. He must have realized that the Emperor had lied
to him all along, if he could ask Luke in front of Vader to take his
rightful place at his side. Vader must have been thinking........WTF, I
lost Padme, and I thought my kid died too b/c of this wrinkled
geezer.........I'm sure the life he could have lived had he been
stronger flashed before his eyes......

>
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I&quot;m sure the thought that perhaps he was duped by the almighty Emperor entered
into his head. &amp;nbsp;He must have realized that the Emperor had lied to him all
along, if he could ask Luke in front of Vader to take his rightful place
at his side. &amp;nbsp;Vader must have been thinking........WTF, I lost Padme, and
I thought my kid died too b/c of this wrinkled geezer.........I'm sure the
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#2: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-15 22:18:40 by James McDone

What do you people think Vader was thinking when he was looking at Luke and
then at Palpatine and then back to Luke?

James

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#3: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-15 23:06:08 by Brodieman

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:18:40 -0400, James McDone wrote:

&gt; What do you people think Vader was thinking when he was looking at Luke and
&gt; then at Palpatine and then back to Luke?
&gt;
&gt; James

At a guess I'd say he was trying to figure out who he was going to side
with. In fact I'd say that was pretty obvious...

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#4: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-15 23:18:09 by DevilPaul

I think he saw the way he and other Sith lords were turned by Palpatine's
manipulation and how he would be killed with Luke as his replacement. Then
he decided that Palpatine's game was up and gave him the old heave-ho over
the ledge.

--
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&gt; What do you people think Vader was thinking when he was looking at Luke
&gt; and
&gt; then at Palpatine and then back to Luke?
&gt;
&gt; James
&gt;
&gt;

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#5: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-15 23:25:04 by Brodieman

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:18:09 GMT, DevilPaul wrote:

&gt; I think he saw the way he and other Sith lords were turned by Palpatine's
&gt; manipulation and how he would be killed with Luke as his replacement. Then
&gt; he decided that Palpatine's game was up and gave him the old heave-ho over
&gt; the ledge.

With respect, I disagree. By this time Luke has rejected Palpatine and
chosen to die by his Force lightning.

Anakin could not sit by and let this happen.

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#6: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-15 23:56:24 by ardz

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&gt; On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:18:09 GMT, DevilPaul wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; I think he saw the way he and other Sith lords were turned by
Palpatine's
&gt; &gt; manipulation and how he would be killed with Luke as his replacement.
Then
&gt; &gt; he decided that Palpatine's game was up and gave him the old heave-ho
over
&gt; &gt; the ledge.
&gt;
&gt; With respect, I disagree. By this time Luke has rejected Palpatine and
&gt; chosen to die by his Force lightning.
&gt;
&gt; Anakin could not sit by and let this happen.


Bit of a dissappointing end for the Emperor. I mean the ultimate Sith Lord
gets wasted by being thrown off a high place. Even when i first saw Jedi
back in 83 i thought &quot;is that it&quot; after all that build up....maybe Mace
Windu should have picked up Palpatine and thrown him out the window. :-)

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#7: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-16 00:00:01 by The Kwizatz Haderach

James McDone wrote:
&gt; What do you people think Vader was thinking when he was looking at
&gt; Luke and then at Palpatine and then back to Luke?

&quot;I wonder if one day in the future, George Lucas will write a scene that
closely parallels these events?&quot;

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#8: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-16 00:27:58 by Brodieman

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:56:24 +1200, ardz wrote:

&gt; &quot;Brodieman&quot; &lt;stephenduffield*delete*@hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:18:09 GMT, DevilPaul wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I think he saw the way he and other Sith lords were turned by
&gt; Palpatine's
&gt;&gt;&gt; manipulation and how he would be killed with Luke as his replacement.
&gt; Then
&gt;&gt;&gt; he decided that Palpatine's game was up and gave him the old heave-ho
&gt; over
&gt;&gt;&gt; the ledge.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; With respect, I disagree. By this time Luke has rejected Palpatine and
&gt;&gt; chosen to die by his Force lightning.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Anakin could not sit by and let this happen.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Bit of a dissappointing end for the Emperor. I mean the ultimate Sith Lord
&gt; gets wasted by being thrown off a high place. Even when i first saw Jedi
&gt; back in 83 i thought &quot;is that it&quot; after all that build up....maybe Mace
&gt; Windu should have picked up Palpatine and thrown him out the window. :-)

Are you kidding? I love the ending of ROTJ. The whole throne room scene
ranks amongst my favourite SW scenes ever =)

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#9: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-16 00:28:50 by Brodieman

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:13:23 -0400, Wahdidah wrote:

&gt;&gt;&gt;What do you people think Vader was thinking when he was looking at
&gt;&gt;&gt;Luke and then at Palpatine and then back to Luke?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt; I&quot;m sure the thought that perhaps he was duped by the almighty Emperor
&gt; entered into his head. He must have realized that the Emperor had lied
&gt; to him all along, if he could ask Luke in front of Vader to take his
&gt; rightful place at his side. Vader must have been thinking........WTF, I
&gt; lost Padme, and I thought my kid died too b/c of this wrinkled
&gt; geezer.........I'm sure the life he could have lived had he been
&gt; stronger flashed before his eyes......
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;

Agreed, it was his first chance in 20 years odd to make amends. Salvation.
Thats the key to the whole saga! Redemption...

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#10: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-16 00:54:46 by Dungeon Of Horror

Naaah.. Vader just realized that if Luke went to the dark side then either
Palpatine or himself would have to die (that whole 'there can be only 2'
thingy). If Palpatine survived and Luke went to the dark side, then Vader
would have to die. It sounds like self preservation, he just didn't plan on
the emperor shorting out his suit in the process.....

Or maybe he finally got a heart....


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: On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:13:23 -0400, Wahdidah wrote:
:
: &gt;&gt;&gt;What do you people think Vader was thinking when he was looking at
: &gt;&gt;&gt;Luke and then at Palpatine and then back to Luke?
: &gt;&gt;&gt;
: &gt;&gt;
: &gt; I&quot;m sure the thought that perhaps he was duped by the almighty Emperor
: &gt; entered into his head. He must have realized that the Emperor had lied
: &gt; to him all along, if he could ask Luke in front of Vader to take his
: &gt; rightful place at his side. Vader must have been thinking........WTF, I
: &gt; lost Padme, and I thought my kid died too b/c of this wrinkled
: &gt; geezer.........I'm sure the life he could have lived had he been
: &gt; stronger flashed before his eyes......
: &gt;
: &gt;&gt;
: &gt;&gt;
:
: Agreed, it was his first chance in 20 years odd to make amends. Salvation.
: Thats the key to the whole saga! Redemption...

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#11: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-16 01:44:33 by Ritchie

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&gt; What do you people think Vader was thinking when he was looking at Luke
&gt; and
&gt; then at Palpatine and then back to Luke?
&gt;
&gt; James

His final thought was &quot;mother fucker you may have gotten to me but I'll be
damned if I let you kill my son!&quot;

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#12: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-16 05:02:55 by badlands420

&gt; What do you people think Vader was thinking when he was looking at Luke
and
&gt; then at Palpatine and then back to Luke?

&quot;My mother told me....to pick the.....very best one.....and
you....are....not....IT!&quot;

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#13: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-16 05:34:02 by Steve Trellert

Less filling or better taste....hmmm

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&gt; What do you people think Vader was thinking when he was looking at Luke
&gt; and
&gt; then at Palpatine and then back to Luke?
&gt;
&gt; James
&gt;
&gt;

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#14: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-16 07:49:32 by His Divine Shadow

James McDone wrote:
&gt; What do you people think Vader was thinking when he was looking at Luke and
&gt; then at Palpatine and then back to Luke?


&quot;I wonder what we are all going to look like after Lucas does his
Fourteenth Special Re-Re-Re-Re-Remastered Flash Card version of the
hologram Star Wars re-issue?&quot;

--

VVV

His Shadow

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#15: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-16 08:07:41 by David B

James McDone wrote:

&gt; What do you people think Vader was thinking when he was looking at Luke and
&gt; then at Palpatine and then back to Luke?

He was thinking back to when he killed Mace Windu to save Palpatine.

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#16: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-16 09:03:40 by Brodieman

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:54:46 GMT, Dungeon Of Horror wrote:

&gt; Naaah.. Vader just realized that if Luke went to the dark side then either
&gt; Palpatine or himself would have to die (that whole 'there can be only 2'
&gt; thingy). If Palpatine survived and Luke went to the dark side, then Vader
&gt; would have to die. It sounds like self preservation, he just didn't plan on
&gt; the emperor shorting out his suit in the process.....
&gt;
&gt; Or maybe he finally got a heart....
&gt;

Nonsense, Luke was on his way to his grave at this point. How was he going
to fall to the darkside if he's thrown his lightsaber away? Palpatine was
going to finish him off, he'd given up turning him.

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#17: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-16 16:55:20 by wahdidah

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Venger wrote:

&gt;&quot;Brodieman&quot; &lt;stephenduffield*delete*@hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt;&gt;On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:54:46 GMT, Dungeon Of Horror wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Naaah.. Vader just realized that if Luke went to the dark side then
&gt;&gt;&gt;either
&gt;&gt;&gt;Palpatine or himself would have to die (that whole 'there can be only 2'
&gt;&gt;&gt;thingy). If Palpatine survived and Luke went to the dark side, then Vader
&gt;&gt;&gt;would have to die. It sounds like self preservation, he just didn't plan
&gt;&gt;&gt;on
&gt;&gt;&gt;the emperor shorting out his suit in the process.....
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Or maybe he finally got a heart....
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Nonsense, Luke was on his way to his grave at this point. How was he going
&gt;&gt;to fall to the darkside if he's thrown his lightsaber away? Palpatine was
&gt;&gt;going to finish him off, he'd given up turning him.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Now HERE is the question...
&gt;
&gt;Will those who insist that Palpatine played patsy against Mace Windu in
&gt;order to turn Anakin entertain the notion that Luke played patsy against
&gt;Palpatine to turn him back?
&gt;
&gt;Interesting...
&gt;
&gt;Venger
&gt;
&gt;
Very interesting point indeed..............I had completely forgotten
bout Ol Windu........I'm not so sure Luke was playing Patsy,
however...he never knew Mace..........he may or may not have known
exactly how his Dad turned to the Dark Side.....but I'm sure Mace may
have been on Anakin's side.......and not only was he going to try and
save his son's life, but doing so, would like righting an old wrong.
Very interesting............

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&lt;pre wrap=&quot;&quot;&gt;Naaah.. Vader just realized that if Luke went to the dark side then &lt;br&gt;either&lt;br&gt;Palpatine or himself would have to die (that whole 'there can be only 2'&lt;br&gt;thingy). If Palpatine survived and Luke went to the dark side, then Vader&lt;br&gt;would have to die. It sounds like self preservation, he just didn't plan &lt;br&gt;on&lt;br&gt;the emperor shorting out his suit in the process.....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or maybe he finally got a heart....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
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&lt;pre wrap=&quot;&quot;&gt;Nonsense, Luke was on his way to his grave at this point. How was he going&lt;br&gt;to fall to the darkside if he's thrown his lightsaber away? Palpatine was&lt;br&gt;going to finish him off, he'd given up turning him.&lt;br&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;pre wrap=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;!----&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now HERE is the question...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Will those who insist that Palpatine played patsy against Mace Windu in &lt;br&gt;order to turn Anakin entertain the notion that Luke played patsy against &lt;br&gt;Palpatine to turn him back?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Interesting...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Venger &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
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Very interesting point indeed..............I had completely forgotten bout
Ol Windu........I'm not so sure Luke was playing Patsy, however...he never
knew Mace..........he may or may not have known exactly how his Dad turned
to the Dark Side.....but I'm sure Mace may have been on Anakin's side.......and
not only was he going to try and save his son's life, but doing so, would
like righting an old wrong. &amp;nbsp;Very interesting............&lt;br&gt;
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#18: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-16 19:59:11 by Venger

&quot;Brodieman&quot; &lt;stephenduffield*delete*@hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:54:46 GMT, Dungeon Of Horror wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Naaah.. Vader just realized that if Luke went to the dark side then
&gt;&gt; either
&gt;&gt; Palpatine or himself would have to die (that whole 'there can be only 2'
&gt;&gt; thingy). If Palpatine survived and Luke went to the dark side, then Vader
&gt;&gt; would have to die. It sounds like self preservation, he just didn't plan
&gt;&gt; on
&gt;&gt; the emperor shorting out his suit in the process.....
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Or maybe he finally got a heart....
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Nonsense, Luke was on his way to his grave at this point. How was he going
&gt; to fall to the darkside if he's thrown his lightsaber away? Palpatine was
&gt; going to finish him off, he'd given up turning him.

Now HERE is the question...

Will those who insist that Palpatine played patsy against Mace Windu in
order to turn Anakin entertain the notion that Luke played patsy against
Palpatine to turn him back?

Interesting...

Venger

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#19: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-17 02:15:16 by Brodieman

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:59:11 GMT, Venger wrote:

&gt; &quot;Brodieman&quot; &lt;stephenduffield*delete*@hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:54:46 GMT, Dungeon Of Horror wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Naaah.. Vader just realized that if Luke went to the dark side then
&gt;&gt;&gt; either
&gt;&gt;&gt; Palpatine or himself would have to die (that whole 'there can be only 2'
&gt;&gt;&gt; thingy). If Palpatine survived and Luke went to the dark side, then Vader
&gt;&gt;&gt; would have to die. It sounds like self preservation, he just didn't plan
&gt;&gt;&gt; on
&gt;&gt;&gt; the emperor shorting out his suit in the process.....
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Or maybe he finally got a heart....
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Nonsense, Luke was on his way to his grave at this point. How was he going
&gt;&gt; to fall to the darkside if he's thrown his lightsaber away? Palpatine was
&gt;&gt; going to finish him off, he'd given up turning him.
&gt;
&gt; Now HERE is the question...
&gt;
&gt; Will those who insist that Palpatine played patsy against Mace Windu in
&gt; order to turn Anakin entertain the notion that Luke played patsy against
&gt; Palpatine to turn him back?
&gt;
&gt; Interesting...
&gt;
&gt; Venger

With every post you make, I begin to believe that you are in fact a genius,
Mr Venger.

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#20: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-17 06:12:30 by Brand

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&gt; What do you people think Vader was thinking when he was looking at Luke
&gt; and
&gt; then at Palpatine and then back to Luke?
&gt;
&gt; James
&gt;
&gt;

I think it finally sank through the thick skull of his, and I'm not meaning
the helmet,(Annie was never that bright) that Luke was a part of Padme.
That he was gonna kill Luke which was like killing Padme again.
He just had to save Luke to save a peice of Padme.

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#21: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-17 07:18:36 by Raymond Marshall

James McDone wrote:
&gt; What do you people think Vader was thinking when he was looking at Luke and
&gt; then at Palpatine and then back to Luke?
&gt;
&gt; James
&gt;
&gt;

I think there are some really excellent insights into Vader's
thought (from a fan's point of view) at this blog:

<a href="http://darthside.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://darthside.blogspot.com/</a>

Ray

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#22: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-17 16:54:51 by Venger

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&gt; On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:59:11 GMT, Venger wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Nonsense, Luke was on his way to his grave at this point. How was he
&gt;&gt;&gt; going
&gt;&gt;&gt; to fall to the darkside if he's thrown his lightsaber away? Palpatine
&gt;&gt;&gt; was
&gt;&gt;&gt; going to finish him off, he'd given up turning him.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Now HERE is the question...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Will those who insist that Palpatine played patsy against Mace Windu in
&gt;&gt; order to turn Anakin entertain the notion that Luke played patsy against
&gt;&gt; Palpatine to turn him back?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Interesting...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Venger
&gt;
&gt; With every post you make, I begin to believe that you are in fact a
&gt; genius,
&gt; Mr Venger.

I am bound to dispel that notion soon...

&gt; Will you be my friend?
&gt;
&gt; I've got a Big Trax at home...

Is a Big Trax like a Big Wheel? I searched and it came up with a Rap and
Hip-Hop album...

Venger

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#23: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-17 20:02:06 by Brodieman

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:54:51 GMT, Venger wrote:

&gt; &quot;Brodieman&quot; &lt;stephenduffield*delete*@hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:59:11 GMT, Venger wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Nonsense, Luke was on his way to his grave at this point. How was he
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; going
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to fall to the darkside if he's thrown his lightsaber away? Palpatine
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; was
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; going to finish him off, he'd given up turning him.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Now HERE is the question...
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Will those who insist that Palpatine played patsy against Mace Windu in
&gt;&gt;&gt; order to turn Anakin entertain the notion that Luke played patsy against
&gt;&gt;&gt; Palpatine to turn him back?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Interesting...
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Venger
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; With every post you make, I begin to believe that you are in fact a
&gt;&gt; genius,
&gt;&gt; Mr Venger.
&gt;
&gt; I am bound to dispel that notion soon...
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Will you be my friend?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I've got a Big Trax at home...
&gt;
&gt; Is a Big Trax like a Big Wheel? I searched and it came up with a Rap and
&gt; Hip-Hop album...
&gt;
&gt; Venger

i spelt it wrong.

<a href="http://www.inthe80s.com/toys/bigtrak.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.inthe80s.com/toys/bigtrak.shtml</a>

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#24: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-18 01:37:42 by Venger

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&gt; On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:54:51 GMT, Venger wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Is a Big Trax like a Big Wheel? I searched and it came up with a Rap and
&gt;&gt; Hip-Hop album...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Venger
&gt;
&gt; i spelt it wrong.
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.inthe80s.com/toys/bigtrak.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.inthe80s.com/toys/bigtrak.shtml</a>

Looks like the land rover from Battlestar Galactica.

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#25: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-18 18:38:10 by e.morr

VERY interesting point, but I really do think Luke didn't listen to Yoda:
&quot;Luke, do NOT underestimate the powers of the Emperor&quot;.

ed

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&gt;&gt; On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:54:46 GMT, Dungeon Of Horror wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Naaah.. Vader just realized that if Luke went to the dark side then
&gt;&gt;&gt; either
&gt;&gt;&gt; Palpatine or himself would have to die (that whole 'there can be only 2'
&gt;&gt;&gt; thingy). If Palpatine survived and Luke went to the dark side, then
&gt;&gt;&gt; Vader
&gt;&gt;&gt; would have to die. It sounds like self preservation, he just didn't plan
&gt;&gt;&gt; on
&gt;&gt;&gt; the emperor shorting out his suit in the process.....
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Or maybe he finally got a heart....
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Nonsense, Luke was on his way to his grave at this point. How was he
&gt;&gt; going
&gt;&gt; to fall to the darkside if he's thrown his lightsaber away? Palpatine was
&gt;&gt; going to finish him off, he'd given up turning him.
&gt;
&gt; Now HERE is the question...
&gt;
&gt; Will those who insist that Palpatine played patsy against Mace Windu in
&gt; order to turn Anakin entertain the notion that Luke played patsy against
&gt; Palpatine to turn him back?
&gt;
&gt; Interesting...
&gt;
&gt; Venger
&gt;

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#26: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-18 18:39:01 by e.morr

He was torn. I think he wanted to save his son, but he knew in his heart
the Emperor would fry him when he grabbed him, then just decided to do it
anyway.

ed

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&gt; What do you people think Vader was thinking when he was looking at Luke
&gt; and
&gt; then at Palpatine and then back to Luke?
&gt;
&gt; James
&gt;
&gt;

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#27: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-18 18:53:40 by e.morr

Wow, what thought went into that writing!

ed

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&gt; James McDone wrote:
&gt;&gt; What do you people think Vader was thinking when he was looking at Luke
&gt;&gt; and
&gt;&gt; then at Palpatine and then back to Luke?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; James
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I think there are some really excellent insights into Vader's thought
&gt; (from a fan's point of view) at this blog:
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://darthside.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://darthside.blogspot.com/</a>
&gt;
&gt; Ray

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#28: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-18 23:52:41 by ms

I always thought Yoda was referring to his manipulativeness.

You'd think Yoda and Obi-wan would have been shitting bricks
when Luke took off to confront the Emperor in Ep VI and Vader in
Ep V. Especially after what they had gone through with Luke's
father, Anakin. If I were Yoda in ROTJ I'd have been thinking,
&quot;shit, did the little bastard come back to kill me!?&quot;

e.Morr wrote:
&gt; VERY interesting point, but I really do think Luke didn't listen to Yoda:
&gt; &quot;Luke, do NOT underestimate the powers of the Emperor&quot;.
&gt;
&gt; ed
&gt;
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&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:54:46 GMT, Dungeon Of Horror wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Naaah.. Vader just realized that if Luke went to the dark side then
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;either
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Palpatine or himself would have to die (that whole 'there can be only 2'
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;thingy). If Palpatine survived and Luke went to the dark side, then
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Vader
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;would have to die. It sounds like self preservation, he just didn't plan
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the emperor shorting out his suit in the process.....
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Or maybe he finally got a heart....
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Nonsense, Luke was on his way to his grave at this point. How was he
&gt;&gt;&gt;going
&gt;&gt;&gt;to fall to the darkside if he's thrown his lightsaber away? Palpatine was
&gt;&gt;&gt;going to finish him off, he'd given up turning him.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Now HERE is the question...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Will those who insist that Palpatine played patsy against Mace Windu in
&gt;&gt;order to turn Anakin entertain the notion that Luke played patsy against
&gt;&gt;Palpatine to turn him back?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Interesting...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Venger
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

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#29: Re: Vader's thoughts in ROTJ

Posted on 2005-06-19 00:16:54 by Clams Canino

At the time Luke took off in Ep V Yoda did not know he was going to confront
Vader.

He was surprised by this in Ep VI and declared him a &quot;made guy&quot; in the Jedi
family when he found out that Luke confronted Vader, survived it, and wasn't
converted.

We know, what Yoda didn't.... Luke pulled his lightsabber and attacked Vader
when Vader was only talking to him. Same mistake as the cave.

-W

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&gt; I always thought Yoda was referring to his manipulativeness.
&gt;
&gt; You'd think Yoda and Obi-wan would have been shitting bricks
&gt; when Luke took off to confront the Emperor in Ep VI and Vader in
&gt; Ep V. Especially after what they had gone through with Luke's
&gt; father, Anakin. If I were Yoda in ROTJ I'd have been thinking,
&gt; &quot;shit, did the little bastard come back to kill me!?&quot;
&gt;
&gt; e.Morr wrote:
&gt; &gt; VERY interesting point, but I really do think Luke didn't listen to
Yoda:
&gt; &gt; &quot;Luke, do NOT underestimate the powers of the Emperor&quot;.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; ed
&gt; &gt;
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&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:54:46 GMT, Dungeon Of Horror wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Naaah.. Vader just realized that if Luke went to the dark side then
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;either
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Palpatine or himself would have to die (that whole 'there can be only
2'
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;thingy). If Palpatine survived and Luke went to the dark side, then
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Vader
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;would have to die. It sounds like self preservation, he just didn't
plan
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;on
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;the emperor shorting out his suit in the process.....
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Or maybe he finally got a heart....
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;Nonsense, Luke was on his way to his grave at this point. How was he
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;going
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;to fall to the darkside if he's thrown his lightsaber away? Palpatine
was
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;going to finish him off, he'd given up turning him.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;Now HERE is the question...
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;Will those who insist that Palpatine played patsy against Mace Windu in
&gt; &gt;&gt;order to turn Anakin entertain the notion that Luke played patsy against
&gt; &gt;&gt;Palpatine to turn him back?
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;Interesting...
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;Venger
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;

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