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#1: Re: Jedi Attrocities

Posted on 2006-07-08 12:04:21 by Ears

On 21 Aug 2003 14:34:42 -0700, <a href="mailto:dan__gunn&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">dan__gunn&#64;hotmail.com</a> (DanGunn) wrote:

&gt;I watched Star Wars the other day, and started thinking about all the
&gt;people on the Deathstars that died for no other reason than following
&gt;orders or needing a place to work. These people were victims of the
&gt;Jedi-Rebel alliance. Nothing can be justified when 100s of thousands
&gt;of people (or more) die in an instant. The Jedi, the embodiment of
&gt;good, acted in a manner which can only be explained as &quot;evil&quot;. Luke
&gt;and his friends show no remorse when the planets blow up, just
&gt;jubilation. Obviously the belief of &quot;good&quot; existing in our world, or
&gt;any other is a pipe dream. Ultimately the Jedi are evil just as the
&gt;dark-Jedi are. The actions of destruction are the same, the labels and
&gt;reasoning are the only difference.

I disagree completely. Both Death Stars may have been heavily manned
but they were also Military Installations. That made then legal and
legitimate targets. While they do not show a large civilian
population on either Death Stars (or on Star Destroyers for that
matter) one has to believe that they have one, I think those deaths
would be unfortunate, but the majority of people would be military
personnel.

Also I keep in mind one more thing, the first Death Star was manned by
approx 250,000, the second one possiblly a bit more since it was
larger, I think the population of Alderaan would be at least a billion
people. The scales balance, it means deciding between the deaths of
hundreds of thousands (or millions) of solders or the deaths of
billions of innocent civilians.

The Alliance did try to avoid collateral civilian damage, the Empire
did not care.

Is a choice like that still a choice?

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#2: Re: Jedi Attrocities

Posted on 2006-07-09 00:47:47 by h

Ears wrote:

&gt; On 21 Aug 2003 14:34:42 -0700, <a href="mailto:dan__gunn&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">dan__gunn&#64;hotmail.com</a> (DanGunn) wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;I watched Star Wars the other day, and started thinking about all the
&gt;&gt;people on the Deathstars that died for no other reason than following
&gt;&gt;orders or needing a place to work. These people were victims of the
&gt;&gt;Jedi-Rebel alliance. Nothing can be justified when 100s of thousands
&gt;&gt;of people (or more) die in an instant. The Jedi, the embodiment of
&gt;&gt;good, acted in a manner which can only be explained as &quot;evil&quot;. Luke
&gt;&gt;and his friends show no remorse when the planets blow up, just
&gt;&gt;jubilation. Obviously the belief of &quot;good&quot; existing in our world, or
&gt;&gt;any other is a pipe dream. Ultimately the Jedi are evil just as the
&gt;&gt;dark-Jedi are. The actions of destruction are the same, the labels and
&gt;&gt;reasoning are the only difference.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I disagree completely. Both Death Stars may have been heavily manned
&gt; but they were also Military Installations. That made then legal and
&gt; legitimate targets. While they do not show a large civilian
&gt; population on either Death Stars (or on Star Destroyers for that
&gt; matter) one has to believe that they have one, I think those deaths
&gt; would be unfortunate, but the majority of people would be military
&gt; personnel.
&gt;
&gt; Also I keep in mind one more thing, the first Death Star was manned by
&gt; approx 250,000, the second one possiblly a bit more since it was
&gt; larger, I think the population of Alderaan would be at least a billion
&gt; people. The scales balance, it means deciding between the deaths of
&gt; hundreds of thousands (or millions) of solders or the deaths of
&gt; billions of innocent civilians.
&gt;
&gt; The Alliance did try to avoid collateral civilian damage, the Empire
&gt; did not care.
&gt;
&gt; Is a choice like that still a choice?

I agree with Ears completely too, for the very same reasons. If
civilians were killed because they were at a military facility at the
time, that's bad luck.

H.

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