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#1: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-26 14:53:43 by David A McIntee

<a href="http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=18614" target="_blank">http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=18614</a> - he *is* making a
Star Trek film but it's not necessarily Starfleet Academy. The implication
seems to be that it'll still be a prequel or the early Kirk era. Maybe a
&quot;birth of the Federation&quot; thing. (dare we wish for Captain Pike's
adventures?)


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#2: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-26 16:34:47 by unknown

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#3: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-26 18:01:12 by Medicine Hat

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:34:47 -0500, Babaganoosh &lt;<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:ysGdnWa9ApDF8NLZRVnysw&#64;bt.com" target="_blank">ysGdnWa9ApDF8NLZRVnysw&#64;bt.com</a>&gt;, David A McIntee
&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:david.mcintee&#64;btnotopentospamworld.com" target="_blank">david.mcintee&#64;btnotopentospamworld.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Maybe a
&gt;&gt; &quot;birth of the Federation&quot; thing. (dare we wish for Captain Pike's
&gt;&gt; adventures?)
&gt;
&gt;If that pans out, I vote Ray Liotta as Christopher PIke

Now we're talking! To add more fuel to this fantasy: Uma Thurman
as Number One.

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#4: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-27 15:58:27 by signedsealed

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:01:12 -0400, Medicine Hat &lt;<a href="mailto:jesus&#64;you.me" target="_blank">jesus&#64;you.me</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:34:47 -0500, Babaganoosh &lt;<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt;
&gt;wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:ysGdnWa9ApDF8NLZRVnysw&#64;bt.com" target="_blank">ysGdnWa9ApDF8NLZRVnysw&#64;bt.com</a>&gt;, David A McIntee
&gt;&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:david.mcintee&#64;btnotopentospamworld.com" target="_blank">david.mcintee&#64;btnotopentospamworld.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Maybe a
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;birth of the Federation&quot; thing. (dare we wish for Captain Pike's
&gt;&gt;&gt; adventures?)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;If that pans out, I vote Ray Liotta as Christopher PIke
&gt;
&gt; Now we're talking! To add more fuel to this fantasy: Uma Thurman
&gt;as Number One.

Uma with the syringe in her heart and Ray eating slices of his own
brain. That's Enter-tain-MENT!

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#5: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-27 23:50:09 by whodunit

Babaganoosh wrote:
&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:ysGdnWa9ApDF8NLZRVnysw&#64;bt.com" target="_blank">ysGdnWa9ApDF8NLZRVnysw&#64;bt.com</a>&gt;, David A McIntee
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:david.mcintee&#64;btnotopentospamworld.com" target="_blank">david.mcintee&#64;btnotopentospamworld.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Maybe a
&gt;&gt; &quot;birth of the Federation&quot; thing. (dare we wish for Captain Pike's
&gt;&gt; adventures?)
&gt;
&gt; If that pans out, I vote Ray Liotta as Christopher PIke
&gt;
Christopher Eccleston isn't doing anything now--how about him as
Captain Robert April? That would be &quot;Fantastic!&quot; ;-)

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#6: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-27 23:57:33 by unknown

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#7: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-28 01:31:58 by Yuk Foo

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:53:43 +0100, David A McIntee wrote:

&gt; <a href="http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=18614" target="_blank">http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=18614</a> - he *is* making a
&gt; Star Trek film but it's not necessarily Starfleet Academy. The implication
&gt; seems to be that it'll still be a prequel or the early Kirk era. Maybe a
&gt; &quot;birth of the Federation&quot; thing. (dare we wish for Captain Pike's
&gt; adventures?)

I still say that CGI has reached a point where they can recreate TOS right
down to Nimoy's tiny cheek scar.
But, hey, it's 40 years removed from the original- recasting would be Ok
now, pay Nimoy and Shatner as consultants to appease the faithful. Go
young, go for a 'season 4' feeling, whatever- just do it right.

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#8: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-28 02:49:00 by Anybody

In article &lt;l0b4g.6252$<a href="mailto:Lm5.5176&#64;newssvr12.news.prodigy.com" target="_blank">Lm5.5176&#64;newssvr12.news.prodigy.com</a>&gt;, whodunit
&lt;<a href="mailto:pillut_48&#64;sbcworldly.net" target="_blank">pillut_48&#64;sbcworldly.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; Babaganoosh wrote:
&gt; &gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:ysGdnWa9ApDF8NLZRVnysw&#64;bt.com" target="_blank">ysGdnWa9ApDF8NLZRVnysw&#64;bt.com</a>&gt;, David A McIntee
&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:david.mcintee&#64;btnotopentospamworld.com" target="_blank">david.mcintee&#64;btnotopentospamworld.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Maybe a &quot;birth of the Federation&quot; thing. (dare we wish for Captain Pike's
&gt; &gt;&gt; adventures?)
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; If that pans out, I vote Ray Liotta as Christopher PIke
&gt;
&gt; Christopher Eccleston isn't doing anything now--how about him as
&gt; Captain Robert April? That would be &quot;Fantastic!&quot; ;-)

Yep, great, *IF* you want the show to last only one season before he
quits and then you have to find someone else ... not as easy to do when
the character can't change his appearance as easily as Dr Who.

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#9: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-28 03:15:00 by unknown

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#10: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-28 06:14:19 by Anybody

In article &lt;270420062015003556%<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt;, Babaganoosh
&lt;<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; In article &lt;280420061249004505%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Christopher Eccleston isn't doing anything now--how about him as
&gt; &gt; &gt; Captain Robert April? That would be &quot;Fantastic!&quot; ;-)
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Yep, great, *IF* you want the show to last only one season before he
&gt; &gt; quits and then you have to find someone else ... not as easy to do when
&gt; &gt; the character can't change his appearance as easily as Dr Who.
&gt;
&gt; It was always understood from the beginning that Eccleston would only
&gt; do one season. He didn't &quot;quit&quot;, it was already decided that he would
&gt; leave.

Quit, left ... it makes no difference. The selfish moron still signed
on to a continuing series and was gone after only one season.

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#11: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-28 06:32:33 by unknown

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#12: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-28 07:24:01 by 80 Knight

&quot;Anybody&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:280420061614191589%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com..." target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com...</a>
&gt; In article &lt;270420062015003556%<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt;, Babaganoosh
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; In article &lt;280420061249004505%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Christopher Eccleston isn't doing anything now--how about him as
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Captain Robert April? That would be &quot;Fantastic!&quot; ;-)
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Yep, great, *IF* you want the show to last only one season before he
&gt;&gt; &gt; quits and then you have to find someone else ... not as easy to do when
&gt;&gt; &gt; the character can't change his appearance as easily as Dr Who.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; It was always understood from the beginning that Eccleston would only
&gt;&gt; do one season. He didn't &quot;quit&quot;, it was already decided that he would
&gt;&gt; leave.
&gt;
&gt; Quit, left ... it makes no difference. The selfish moron still signed
&gt; on to a continuing series and was gone after only one season.

The difference is that Eccleston was only supposed to be on the show for one
season. Everyone knew that from the start. He didn't quit. They only wanted
him for Season 1, so that's what they got.

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#13: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-28 08:37:37 by Anybody

In article &lt;270420062332336588%<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt;, Babaganoosh
&lt;<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; In article &lt;280420061614191589%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; In article &lt;270420062015003556%<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt;, Babaganoosh
&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; In article &lt;280420061249004505%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Christopher Eccleston isn't doing anything now--how about him as
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Captain Robert April? That would be &quot;Fantastic!&quot; ;-)
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Yep, great, *IF* you want the show to last only one season before he
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; quits and then you have to find someone else ... not as easy to do when
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the character can't change his appearance as easily as Dr Who.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; It was always understood from the beginning that Eccleston would only
&gt; &gt; &gt; do one season. He didn't &quot;quit&quot;, it was already decided that he would
&gt; &gt; &gt; leave.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Quit, left ... it makes no difference. The selfish moron still signed
&gt; &gt; on to a continuing series and was gone after only one season.
&gt;
&gt; But as I said...everybody *knew* he would leave after one season. That
&gt; was the agreement. He signed on for one season, and delivered on that
&gt; promise. Everybody knew he was going to leave, it was agreed upon that
&gt; he would. So he can't be selfish if he only fulfilled the terms of the
&gt; contract.

In reality that is only the story we're now being told. Original we
were told he quit. The only people who know the truth are those who
were involved.

Not &quot;everybody&quot; kenw at all ... I can't say he bothered to tell any of
the fans for a start. The fans invest their time watching the show only
to be kicked in the teeth by his selfish &quot;I'm gone&quot; attitude. Whether
he quit or left is irrelevant, he's still extremely selfish (or stupid)
to sign on to a continuing series for only one season ... the only
people are possibly even more stupid were those in charge who (may
have) let him actually do that.

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#14: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-28 13:51:07 by Jaxtraw

Babaganoosh wrote:
&gt; In article &lt;280420061614191589%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; In article &lt;270420062015003556%<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt;, Babaganoosh
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; In article &lt;280420061249004505%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;,
&gt;&gt;&gt; Anybody &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Christopher Eccleston isn't doing anything now--how about him as
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Captain Robert April? That would be &quot;Fantastic!&quot; ;-)
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Yep, great, *IF* you want the show to last only one season before
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; he quits and then you have to find someone else ... not as easy to
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; do when the character can't change his appearance as easily as Dr
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Who.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; It was always understood from the beginning that Eccleston would
&gt;&gt;&gt; only do one season. He didn't &quot;quit&quot;, it was already decided that
&gt;&gt;&gt; he would leave.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Quit, left ... it makes no difference. The selfish moron still signed
&gt;&gt; on to a continuing series and was gone after only one season.
&gt;
&gt; But as I said...everybody *knew* he would leave after one season. That
&gt; was the agreement. He signed on for one season, and delivered on that
&gt; promise. Everybody knew he was going to leave, it was agreed upon that
&gt; he would. So he can't be selfish if he only fulfilled the terms of the
&gt; contract.

No. It wasn't known in advance. In fact, Russell T Davies wrote two endings
to The Parting Of The Ways- one with the Doctor regenerating, and one
without, because it wasn't known whether Ecclestone would be staying or not.

Ian

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#15: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-29 01:53:39 by Mark Walton

Anybody wrote:
&gt; In article &lt;270420062015003556%<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt;, Babaganoosh
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; In article &lt;280420061249004505%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Christopher Eccleston isn't doing anything now--how about him as
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Captain Robert April? That would be &quot;Fantastic!&quot; ;-)
&gt;&gt;&gt; Yep, great, *IF* you want the show to last only one season before he
&gt;&gt;&gt; quits and then you have to find someone else ... not as easy to do when
&gt;&gt;&gt; the character can't change his appearance as easily as Dr Who.
&gt;&gt; It was always understood from the beginning that Eccleston would only
&gt;&gt; do one season. He didn't &quot;quit&quot;, it was already decided that he would
&gt;&gt; leave.
&gt;
&gt; Quit, left ... it makes no difference. The selfish moron still signed
&gt; on to a continuing series and was gone after only one season.

You don't understand how British TV works. Instead of going on and on
for years, British series are short. Yes, there are exceptions, but most
TV shows in the UK are short-lived!

WK

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#16: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-29 02:03:33 by unknown

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#17: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-29 02:38:29 by Anybody

In article &lt;7Wx4g.65396$<a href="mailto:F_3.51744&#64;newssvr29.news.prodigy.net" target="_blank">F_3.51744&#64;newssvr29.news.prodigy.net</a>&gt;,
Wunderkind &lt;<a href="mailto:a&#64;b.com" target="_blank">a&#64;b.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; Anybody wrote:
&gt; &gt; In article &lt;270420062015003556%<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt;, Babaganoosh
&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; In article &lt;280420061249004505%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Christopher Eccleston isn't doing anything now--how about him as
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Captain Robert April? That would be &quot;Fantastic!&quot; ;-)
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Yep, great, *IF* you want the show to last only one season before he
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; quits and then you have to find someone else ... not as easy to do when
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the character can't change his appearance as easily as Dr Who.
&gt; &gt;&gt; It was always understood from the beginning that Eccleston would only
&gt; &gt;&gt; do one season. He didn't &quot;quit&quot;, it was already decided that he would
&gt; &gt;&gt; leave.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Quit, left ... it makes no difference. The selfish moron still signed
&gt; &gt; on to a continuing series and was gone after only one season.
&gt;
&gt; You don't understand how British TV works. Instead of going on and on
&gt; for years, British series are short. Yes, there are exceptions, but most
&gt; TV shows in the UK are short-lived!

Utter rubbish.

Just like any potential series, the new Dr Who was obviously going to
be more than one season if it proved popular.

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#18: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-29 02:41:39 by Anybody

In article &lt;280420061903336955%<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt;, Babaganoosh
&lt;<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; And Eccleston could not, by definition, be selfish for simply
&gt; fulfilling the terms of his contract as written. He would have been
&gt; selfish if he'd bailed prematurely, but he didn't: he told them he'd
&gt; only do one season, and they agreed. So how can that be selfish? If
&gt; they wanted someone to do more than one season (as it seems David
&gt; Tennant will), they didn't have to hire CE in the first place. The
&gt; producers knew CE would only do one season. He delivered on that
&gt; promise. Ergo, no selfishness.

You basing all of that on the idea that he didn't quit ... which isn't
actually proveable. The only people who know what was in his contract
and why he left are those who were involved.

Either way, signing on for an on-going TV show as the main character
knowing you're not staying IS stupidly selfish. Quitting after only one
season is also stupidly selfish. If the idiot didn't want to be
potentially &quot;typecast&quot;, then he shouldn't have signed on in the first
place.

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#19: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-29 03:24:13 by unknown

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#20: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-29 04:02:31 by Jaxtraw

Babaganoosh wrote:
&gt; In article &lt;290420061241393124%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; You basing all of that on the idea that he didn't quit ... which
&gt;&gt; isn't actually proveable.
&gt;
&gt; Actually, it is.
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0436992/trivia" target="_blank">http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0436992/trivia</a>
&gt;
&gt; The BBC press department announced that Eccleston had quit, but that
&gt; was premature. They didn't ask him (or the actual programming
&gt; department) before making the announcement, since the UK press was
&gt; concerned that a second series had been announced but without
&gt; confirmation that CE would be returning.
&gt;
&gt; In fact it was agreed, from the get-go, that CE would only do one
&gt; season. The only reason the BBC didn't let word get out until after
&gt; the series was finished was so that the 9th Doctor's &quot;death&quot; would be
&gt; a surprise to viewers.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Either way, signing on for an on-going TV show as the main character
&gt;&gt; knowing you're not staying IS stupidly selfish.
&gt;
&gt; But the producers *knew* he would only do one season. That's all they
&gt; wanted him for. That's all they expected of him. He only ever signed
&gt; up to do one year.

No. He signed a one year contract, but that's not the same thing. Billie
Piper signed one too. It's so that nobody is bound for too long to a set of
conditions- no doubt Tennant is on a one year contract as well.

Davies wrote two different endings to the season because he didn't know
whether Eccleston was planning to stay or not. It wasn't known in advance.

Doctor Who is a very long-running series. Previous Doctors have stayed at
least 3 years- some much longer. If you sign up to be in a series like that,
it's reasonable to expect to be wanted for another season.

To put it another way, do you really think Patrick Stewart or Brent Spiner
or Jonathan Frakes signed 7 year contracts? Of course not. Nonetheless, in
TV it's reasonable to assume that if season 1 of a new series called TNG is
successful, they'll want you back for season 2.

&quot;On Thursday 31 March 2005, the day after the show was picked up for a
second season, the BBC Press Office announced that Christopher Eccleston was
quitting the series, citing a fear of being typecast and long working hours
as reasons for his departure. &quot;

There. He quit during the season. He could hardly have reacted to the long
hours before signing up to do it now could he?

Ian

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#21: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-29 04:15:25 by spiritofsupergirl

Jaxtraw wrote:
&gt; To put it another way, do you really think Patrick Stewart or Brent Spiner
&gt; or Jonathan Frakes signed 7 year contracts? Of course not. Nonetheless, in
&gt; TV it's reasonable to assume that if season 1 of a new series called TNG is
&gt; successful, they'll want you back for season 2.

Wrong, idiot. They signed 6-year contracts from the start.


Mark Moore

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#22: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-29 04:15:38 by spiritofsupergirl

Anybody wrote:
&gt; Utter rubbish.

Yes, you are.

&gt; Just like any potential series, the new Dr Who was obviously going to
&gt; be more than one season if it proved popular.

And so? Quit ragging on the guy for signing only a 1-year contract. He
did so. Why should it be anyone's concern but his own?


Mark Moore

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#23: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-29 04:31:55 by 80 Knight

&quot;Jaxtraw&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jax&#64;knickersjaxtrawstudios.com" target="_blank">jax&#64;knickersjaxtrawstudios.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Babaganoosh wrote:
&gt;&gt; In article &lt;290420061241393124%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; You basing all of that on the idea that he didn't quit ... which
&gt;&gt;&gt; isn't actually proveable.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Actually, it is.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0436992/trivia" target="_blank">http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0436992/trivia</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The BBC press department announced that Eccleston had quit, but that
&gt;&gt; was premature. They didn't ask him (or the actual programming
&gt;&gt; department) before making the announcement, since the UK press was
&gt;&gt; concerned that a second series had been announced but without
&gt;&gt; confirmation that CE would be returning.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; In fact it was agreed, from the get-go, that CE would only do one
&gt;&gt; season. The only reason the BBC didn't let word get out until after
&gt;&gt; the series was finished was so that the 9th Doctor's &quot;death&quot; would be
&gt;&gt; a surprise to viewers.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Either way, signing on for an on-going TV show as the main character
&gt;&gt;&gt; knowing you're not staying IS stupidly selfish.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; But the producers *knew* he would only do one season. That's all they
&gt;&gt; wanted him for. That's all they expected of him. He only ever signed
&gt;&gt; up to do one year.
&gt;
&gt; No. He signed a one year contract, but that's not the same thing. Billie
&gt; Piper signed one too. It's so that nobody is bound for too long to a set
&gt; of
&gt; conditions- no doubt Tennant is on a one year contract as well.
&gt;
&gt; Davies wrote two different endings to the season because he didn't know
&gt; whether Eccleston was planning to stay or not. It wasn't known in advance.
&gt;
&gt; Doctor Who is a very long-running series. Previous Doctors have stayed at
&gt; least 3 years- some much longer. If you sign up to be in a series like
&gt; that,
&gt; it's reasonable to expect to be wanted for another season.
&gt;
&gt; To put it another way, do you really think Patrick Stewart or Brent Spiner
&gt; or Jonathan Frakes signed 7 year contracts? Of course not. Nonetheless, in
&gt; TV it's reasonable to assume that if season 1 of a new series called TNG
&gt; is
&gt; successful, they'll want you back for season 2.

They certainly signed up for more then one season.

&gt; &quot;On Thursday 31 March 2005, the day after the show was picked up for a
&gt; second season, the BBC Press Office announced that Christopher Eccleston
&gt; was
&gt; quitting the series, citing a fear of being typecast and long working
&gt; hours
&gt; as reasons for his departure. &quot;
&gt;
&gt; There. He quit during the season. He could hardly have reacted to the long
&gt; hours before signing up to do it now could he?

That statement was retracted, by the one 'Babaganoosh' has. They knew he was
going to stay for one season, plain and simple. He agreed to one season, he
did his job.

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#24: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-29 05:50:07 by Anybody

In article &lt;280420062024131061%<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt;, Babaganoosh
&lt;<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; In article &lt;290420061241393124%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; You basing all of that on the idea that he didn't quit ... which isn't
&gt; &gt; actually proveable.
&gt;
&gt; Actually, it is.
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0436992/trivia" target="_blank">http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0436992/trivia</a>

I hope you realise that IMaDumBum.com is *NOT* even remotely proof of
anything. All the information there is entered by the users and it is
therefore full of garbage that's nothing more than Internet rumour,
wishful thinking, and plain lies by fools who think they're being
funny. :-\



&gt; The BBC press department announced that Eccleston had quit, but that
&gt; was premature. They didn't ask him (or the actual programming
&gt; department) before making the announcement, since the UK press was
&gt; concerned that a second series had been announced but without
&gt; confirmation that CE would be returning.
&gt;
&gt; In fact it was agreed, from the get-go, that CE would only do one
&gt; season. The only reason the BBC didn't let word get out until after the
&gt; series was finished was so that the 9th Doctor's &quot;death&quot; would be a
&gt; surprise to viewers.

It's called &quot;spin&quot;. They tell the public whatever they want, and may
people believe it to be true. As I said, the ONLY people who actually
know exactly what happened are those involved.

You can waffle on as long as you like with that STORY, but it's only
one story of at least two we've been given (so far) and is not provable
as the actual truth.



&gt; &gt; Either way, signing on for an on-going TV show as the main character
&gt; &gt; knowing you're not staying IS stupidly selfish.
&gt;
&gt; But the producers *knew* he would only do one season. That's all they
&gt; wanted him for. That's all they expected of him. He only ever signed up
&gt; to do one year.

So?!? The producer is an idiot as well. No surprise there, around 90%
of the human race is ... and 99% of the &quot;entertinament&quot; industry thanks
to the insane amounts of money going to their heads. One idiot doing
something stupid doesn't automatically make everyone else not stupid.

If you're trying to make an on-going show, you do NOT sign up a main
character, especially the title character to be some fool who wants to
leave after one season. The only reason it even remotely worked is
because Dr Who can regenerate with as basically a different character.

Whether Quitopher actually quit or left (without or without signing
only a one year contract), he is still selfish ... he was obviously
only there to make a name for himself, boost his resume and then get
out before being &quot;typecast&quot;. Personally I would never hire the idiot
for a major role on an on-going show ever again.

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Posted on 2006-04-29 05:55:43 by unknown

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#26: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-29 05:57:06 by Anybody

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1146276938.939509.259870&#64;v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1146276938.939509.259870&#64;v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
<a href="mailto:spiritofsupergirl&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">spiritofsupergirl&#64;hotmail.com</a> wrote:

&gt; Anybody wrote:
&gt; &gt; Utter rubbish.
&gt;
&gt; Yes, you are.

What a piece of brilliance that reply is ... typical Internet user. :-(

It *IS* complete garbage that UK shows are more &quot;short-lived&quot; than
anyone else's, even more so for a show like Dr Who that was obviously
going to be on-going (assuming enough people watched the new version).
Just like most shows made anywhere else, they're based on the almighty
&quot;ratings&quot; system.




&gt; &gt; Just like any potential series, the new Dr Who was obviously going to
&gt; &gt; be more than one season if it proved popular.
&gt;
&gt; And so? Quit ragging on the guy for signing only a 1-year contract. He
&gt; did so. Why should it be anyone's concern but his own?

As I've said, whether he signed on for only one year or not is
irrelevant. He obviously couldn't care less about the show other than
adding it to his resume and basically pee'ed all over the fans with his
selfish attitude towards the show.

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#27: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-29 08:10:25 by Anybody

In article &lt;280420062255432881%<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt;, Babaganoosh
&lt;<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; In article &lt;290420061550075586%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Whether Quitopher actually quit or left (without or without signing
&gt; &gt; only a one year contract), he is still selfish
&gt;
&gt; Selfish...fish... heheheheh... fish.... :)

Yep, and the only job he deserves is to sell fish beside the seashore.
:-p

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#28: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-29 11:49:13 by Kweeg

&quot;Anybody&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:290420061550075586%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com..." target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com...</a>
&gt; In article &lt;280420062024131061%<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt;, Babaganoosh
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; In article &lt;290420061241393124%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; You basing all of that on the idea that he didn't quit ... which isn't
&gt; &gt; &gt; actually proveable.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Actually, it is.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; <a href="http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0436992/trivia" target="_blank">http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0436992/trivia</a>
&gt;
&gt; I hope you realise that IMaDumBum.com is *NOT* even remotely proof of
&gt; anything. All the information there is entered by the users and it is
&gt; therefore full of garbage that's nothing more than Internet rumour,
&gt; wishful thinking, and plain lies by fools who think they're being
&gt; funny. :-\
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; The BBC press department announced that Eccleston had quit, but that
&gt; &gt; was premature. They didn't ask him (or the actual programming
&gt; &gt; department) before making the announcement, since the UK press was
&gt; &gt; concerned that a second series had been announced but without
&gt; &gt; confirmation that CE would be returning.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; In fact it was agreed, from the get-go, that CE would only do one
&gt; &gt; season. The only reason the BBC didn't let word get out until after the
&gt; &gt; series was finished was so that the 9th Doctor's &quot;death&quot; would be a
&gt; &gt; surprise to viewers.
&gt;
&gt; It's called &quot;spin&quot;. They tell the public whatever they want, and may
&gt; people believe it to be true. As I said, the ONLY people who actually
&gt; know exactly what happened are those involved.
&gt;
&gt; You can waffle on as long as you like with that STORY, but it's only
&gt; one story of at least two we've been given (so far) and is not provable
&gt; as the actual truth.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Either way, signing on for an on-going TV show as the main character
&gt; &gt; &gt; knowing you're not staying IS stupidly selfish.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; But the producers *knew* he would only do one season. That's all they
&gt; &gt; wanted him for. That's all they expected of him. He only ever signed up
&gt; &gt; to do one year.
&gt;
&gt; So?!? The producer is an idiot as well. No surprise there, around 90%
&gt; of the human race is ... and 99% of the &quot;entertinament&quot; industry thanks
&gt; to the insane amounts of money going to their heads. One idiot doing
&gt; something stupid doesn't automatically make everyone else not stupid.
&gt;
&gt; If you're trying to make an on-going show, you do NOT sign up a main
&gt; character, especially the title character to be some fool who wants to
&gt; leave after one season. The only reason it even remotely worked is
&gt; because Dr Who can regenerate with as basically a different character.
&gt;
&gt; Whether Quitopher actually quit or left (without or without signing
&gt; only a one year contract), he is still selfish ... he was obviously
&gt; only there to make a name for himself, boost his resume and then get
&gt; out before being &quot;typecast&quot;. Personally I would never hire the idiot
&gt; for a major role on an on-going show ever again.

And there ya have it. If &quot;Anybody&quot; says so it must be true, after all he
knows how TV works being a TV producer and all. I'm really surprised he
didn't moan on and on about the fact that BBC should have come up with a new
idea instead of &quot;rehashing&quot; Dr Who.

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#29: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-29 13:21:35 by Mark Walton

Anybody wrote:
&gt; In article &lt;7Wx4g.65396$<a href="mailto:F_3.51744&#64;newssvr29.news.prodigy.net" target="_blank">F_3.51744&#64;newssvr29.news.prodigy.net</a>&gt;,
&gt; Wunderkind &lt;<a href="mailto:a&#64;b.com" target="_blank">a&#64;b.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Anybody wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; In article &lt;270420062015003556%<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt;, Babaganoosh
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; In article &lt;280420061249004505%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Christopher Eccleston isn't doing anything now--how about him as
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Captain Robert April? That would be &quot;Fantastic!&quot; ;-)
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Yep, great, *IF* you want the show to last only one season before he
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; quits and then you have to find someone else ... not as easy to do when
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the character can't change his appearance as easily as Dr Who.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; It was always understood from the beginning that Eccleston would only
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; do one season. He didn't &quot;quit&quot;, it was already decided that he would
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; leave.
&gt;&gt;&gt; Quit, left ... it makes no difference. The selfish moron still signed
&gt;&gt;&gt; on to a continuing series and was gone after only one season.
&gt;&gt; You don't understand how British TV works. Instead of going on and on
&gt;&gt; for years, British series are short. Yes, there are exceptions, but most
&gt;&gt; TV shows in the UK are short-lived!
&gt;
&gt; Utter rubbish.
&gt;
&gt; Just like any potential series, the new Dr Who was obviously going to
&gt; be more than one season if it proved popular.

Your reading comprehension is sorely lacking. You must've gone to the
*British* public schools. (For us Americans: public schools in the UK
are the same as private/parochial schools here!)

WK

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#30: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-29 23:37:56 by whodunit

Babaganoosh wrote:
&gt; In article &lt;290420061550075586%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Whether Quitopher actually quit or left (without or without signing
&gt;&gt; only a one year contract), he is still selfish
&gt;
&gt; Selfish...fish... heheheheh... fish.... :)
&gt;
I think we shell go off on a tangent now. ;-)

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#31: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-30 01:05:12 by Anybody

In article &lt;3%H4g.70896$<a href="mailto:H71.10997&#64;newssvr13.news.prodigy.com" target="_blank">H71.10997&#64;newssvr13.news.prodigy.com</a>&gt;,
Wunderkind &lt;<a href="mailto:a&#64;b.com" target="_blank">a&#64;b.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; Anybody wrote:
&gt; &gt; In article &lt;7Wx4g.65396$<a href="mailto:F_3.51744&#64;newssvr29.news.prodigy.net" target="_blank">F_3.51744&#64;newssvr29.news.prodigy.net</a>&gt;,
&gt; &gt; Wunderkind &lt;<a href="mailto:a&#64;b.com" target="_blank">a&#64;b.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; You don't understand how British TV works. Instead of going on and on
&gt; &gt;&gt; for years, British series are short. Yes, there are exceptions, but most
&gt; &gt;&gt; TV shows in the UK are short-lived!
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Utter rubbish.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Just like any potential series, the new Dr Who was obviously going to
&gt; &gt; be more than one season if it proved popular.
&gt;
&gt; Your reading comprehension is sorely lacking. You must've gone to the
&gt; *British* public schools. (For us Americans: public schools in the UK
&gt; are the same as private/parochial schools here!)

To quote Leia in Star Wars:
&quot;I don't know where you get your delusions from laserbrain!&quot;
.... although I'd add: &quot;and I don't care.&quot;

British TV shows are *NOT* &quot;short&quot;. They're made no differently to
anyone else's shows. They're all based on the almighty &quot;ratings&quot; -
that's a fact, I don't deal in delusions.

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#32: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-30 02:52:29 by Dani

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:31:58 -0700, Yuk Foo wrote
(in article &lt;1gx8m6ev1tuor$<a href="mailto:.lc9owg928bgf.dlg&#64;40tude.net" target="_blank">.lc9owg928bgf.dlg&#64;40tude.net</a>&gt;):

&gt; I still say that CGI has reached a point where they can recreate TOS right
&gt; down to Nimoy's tiny cheek scar.
&gt; But, hey, it's 40 years removed from the original- recasting would be Ok
&gt; now, pay Nimoy and Shatner as consultants to appease the faithful. Go
&gt; young, go for a 'season 4' feeling, whatever- just do it right.

Good idea. If they go CGI though, might as well just use the original actors,
the ones that are still alive anyway.

Because I do have a basic problem with recasting Kirk or Spock, CGI or
otherwise. It just won't be right with someone else's voice or likeness. As
the actors are typecast to characters, these two characters are so iconic
that they are typecast to the actors!

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#35: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-30 05:45:19 by Anybody

In article &lt;290420062109344801%<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt;, Babaganoosh
&lt;<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; In article &lt;300420061105125737%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; British TV shows are *NOT* &quot;short&quot;.
&gt;
&gt; Actually, they are, at least as far as # of episodes in a season. Most
&gt; British shows only have about 8 or 9 episodes per season, if that.

Not really relevant since that's not what the original person said.
They weren't talking about season length, they said:

&quot;Instead of going on and on for years, British series
are short. Yes, there are exceptions, but most TV shows
in the UK are short-lived!&quot;


Besides, that's not true either. There are some shows that have shorter
seasons (in fact there are some that are basically an on-going set of
&quot;mini-series&quot; episodes), but it's not &quot;most&quot; ... although it may well
be &quot;most&quot; of the few UK shows that Americans see.

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Posted on 2006-04-30 08:23:52 by Kweeg

&quot;Babaganoosh&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:290420062109344801%<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid..." target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid...</a>
&gt; In article &lt;300420061105125737%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; British TV shows are *NOT* &quot;short&quot;.
&gt;
&gt; Actually, they are, at least as far as # of episodes in a season. Most
&gt; British shows only have about 8 or 9 episodes per season, if that.


Faulty Towers...two seasons, filmed a few years apart.... total 12
episodes... yet again &quot;Anybody&quot; reveals his producer now how....

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#37: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-30 19:53:55 by Mark Walton

whodunit wrote:
&gt; Babaganoosh wrote:
&gt;&gt; In article &lt;290420061550075586%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Whether Quitopher actually quit or left (without or without signing
&gt;&gt;&gt; only a one year contract), he is still selfish
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Selfish...fish... heheheheh... fish.... :)
&gt;&gt;
&gt; I think we shell go off on a tangent now. ;-)

Let's hear it for the crustaceans!

WK

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#38: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-05-03 15:19:51 by EvilBill

&quot;Babaganoosh&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:290420062108401516%<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid..." target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid...</a>
&gt; In article &lt;U0R4g.63846$<a href="mailto:_S7.26803&#64;newssvr14.news.prodigy.com" target="_blank">_S7.26803&#64;newssvr14.news.prodigy.com</a>&gt;, whodunit
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:pillut_48&#64;sbcworldly.net" target="_blank">pillut_48&#64;sbcworldly.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Babaganoosh wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt; In article &lt;290420061550075586%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt;&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Whether Quitopher actually quit or left (without or without signing
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; only a one year contract), he is still selfish
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Selfish...fish... heheheheh... fish.... :)
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; I think we shell go off on a tangent now. ;-)
&gt;
&gt; We need very little kelp in doing that.
&gt;

Oh for God's hake, not the fish jokes again!

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#39: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-05-04 01:48:37 by Mark Walton

EvilBill wrote:
&gt; &quot;Babaganoosh&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid" target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:290420062108401516%<a href="mailto:no&#64;spam.invalid..." target="_blank">no&#64;spam.invalid...</a>
&gt;&gt; In article &lt;U0R4g.63846$<a href="mailto:_S7.26803&#64;newssvr14.news.prodigy.com" target="_blank">_S7.26803&#64;newssvr14.news.prodigy.com</a>&gt;, whodunit
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:pillut_48&#64;sbcworldly.net" target="_blank">pillut_48&#64;sbcworldly.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Babaganoosh wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; In article &lt;290420061550075586%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt;, Anybody
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Whether Quitopher actually quit or left (without or without signing
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; only a one year contract), he is still selfish
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Selfish...fish... heheheheh... fish.... :)
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I think we shell go off on a tangent now. ;-)
&gt;&gt; We need very little kelp in doing that.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Oh for God's hake, not the fish jokes again!
&gt;
&gt;
That's our sole function - to flounder on the reefs!

WK

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#40: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-05-31 03:03:03 by Fozzi

&quot;Anybody&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:290420061557060833%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com..." target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com...</a>
&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1146276938.939509.259870&#64;v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1146276938.939509.259870&#64;v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
&gt; <a href="mailto:spiritofsupergirl&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">spiritofsupergirl&#64;hotmail.com</a> wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Anybody wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt; Utter rubbish.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Yes, you are.
&gt;
&gt; What a piece of brilliance that reply is ... typical Internet user. :-(
&gt;
&gt; It *IS* complete garbage that UK shows are more &quot;short-lived&quot; than
&gt; anyone else's, even more so for a show like Dr Who that was obviously
&gt; going to be on-going (assuming enough people watched the new version).
&gt; Just like most shows made anywhere else, they're based on the almighty
&gt; &quot;ratings&quot; system.
&gt;


It MAY be, but that is not what he claimed, for a start most british series
(excluding soapies) are commissioned for only 6 to 12 episodes and then
recomissioned or not depending on results, (that is the reason the british
industry uses the term series 1, series 2 etc..., instead of season 1, 2
etc...), but actually you are still wrong lets simply take an example, Red
Dwarf is one of the highest rated shows in BBC Manchesters history, it was a
huge international success, so brilliantly done that american audiences
actually preferred the british version, and american producers accepted that
its magic was impossible to recapture in a local remake, yet we have only 50
episodes of it (and 16 of them were only made, nearly a decade after the
rest, to bring it up to a syndicatable package).
Secondly it is not even unusual in britain, for an actor to sign on for 1
series only. Among the many who do so regularly are people like Stephen Fry,
Ben Elton, Mac Mc Donald and John Cleese who, except for monty python when
he was very young, has never continued a show beyond series 2 regardless of
how successful it was.
Thirdly, you are calling a person selfish because they made a professional
decision you didn't like, a decision which has no substantive effect on your
life whatsoever, a decision which in the british industry is considered
reasonable perhaps even wise, a person who wouldn't know you from a bar of
soap. In other words you expect a complete stranger to make career decisions
based on your own superficial desires. Well quite frankly, to paraphrase a
master, don't ask from whom the selfishness extols, it extols from thee.

fozzi

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#41: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-05-31 03:18:32 by Kweeg

&quot;Fozzi&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:efor6920&#64;bigpond.net.au" target="_blank">efor6920&#64;bigpond.net.au</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt; &quot;Anybody&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:290420061557060833%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com..." target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com...</a>
&gt; &gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1146276938.939509.259870&#64;v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1146276938.939509.259870&#64;v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
&gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:spiritofsupergirl&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">spiritofsupergirl&#64;hotmail.com</a> wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Anybody wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Utter rubbish.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Yes, you are.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; What a piece of brilliance that reply is ... typical Internet user. :-(
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; It *IS* complete garbage that UK shows are more &quot;short-lived&quot; than
&gt; &gt; anyone else's, even more so for a show like Dr Who that was obviously
&gt; &gt; going to be on-going (assuming enough people watched the new version).
&gt; &gt; Just like most shows made anywhere else, they're based on the almighty
&gt; &gt; &quot;ratings&quot; system.
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; It MAY be, but that is not what he claimed, for a start most british
series
&gt; (excluding soapies) are commissioned for only 6 to 12 episodes and then
&gt; recomissioned or not depending on results, (that is the reason the british
&gt; industry uses the term series 1, series 2 etc..., instead of season 1, 2
&gt; etc...), but actually you are still wrong lets simply take an example, Red
&gt; Dwarf is one of the highest rated shows in BBC Manchesters history, it was
a
&gt; huge international success, so brilliantly done that american audiences
&gt; actually preferred the british version, and american producers accepted
that
&gt; its magic was impossible to recapture in a local remake, yet we have only
50
&gt; episodes of it (and 16 of them were only made, nearly a decade after the
&gt; rest, to bring it up to a syndicatable package).
&gt; Secondly it is not even unusual in britain, for an actor to sign on for 1
&gt; series only. Among the many who do so regularly are people like Stephen
Fry,
&gt; Ben Elton, Mac Mc Donald and John Cleese who, except for monty python when
&gt; he was very young, has never continued a show beyond series 2 regardless
of
&gt; how successful it was.
&gt; Thirdly, you are calling a person selfish because they made a professional
&gt; decision you didn't like, a decision which has no substantive effect on
your
&gt; life whatsoever, a decision which in the british industry is considered
&gt; reasonable perhaps even wise, a person who wouldn't know you from a bar of
&gt; soap. In other words you expect a complete stranger to make career
decisions
&gt; based on your own superficial desires. Well quite frankly, to paraphrase a
&gt; master, don't ask from whom the selfishness extols, it extols from thee.

Indeed!
Heh... careful Foz or &quot;Anybody&quot; will go off and pout and not enlighten us on
his on expert knowledge of how television is produced and how he knows best
on everything.... {{;-/&gt;

--

Qapla'
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
&quot;Half a gallon a'scotch!&quot; Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
1,079,252,848.8 km/h, not just a good idea, it's the law.
&quot;So say we all!&quot;

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#42: Re: Abrams on Trek XI

Posted on 2006-05-31 10:46:12 by Fozzi

&quot;Anybody&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:300420061105125737%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com..." target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com...</a>
&gt; In article &lt;3%H4g.70896$<a href="mailto:H71.10997&#64;newssvr13.news.prodigy.com" target="_blank">H71.10997&#64;newssvr13.news.prodigy.com</a>&gt;,
&gt; Wunderkind &lt;<a href="mailto:a&#64;b.com" target="_blank">a&#64;b.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; To quote Leia in Star Wars:
&gt; &quot;I don't know where you get your delusions from laserbrain!&quot;
&gt; ... although I'd add: &quot;and I don't care.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; British TV shows are *NOT* &quot;short&quot;. They're made no differently to
&gt; anyone else's shows. They're all based on the almighty &quot;ratings&quot; -
&gt; that's a fact, I don't deal in delusions.

Wrong, british and australian shows are produced very differently to
american shows, of course the ratings are still important but they do not
effect it in the same way, most british sitcoms for exampl already have 3/4
(if not all) of the series episodes in the can before episode 1 even airs,
perhaps you can inform me exactly how (other than total cancellation) how
ratings can possibly effect decisions and episodes that were made 6 - 9
months before the ratings figures were available.

fozzi

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