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#1: CR theme tune

Posted on 2005-11-11 17:05:09 by Phil Gerrard

Does anybody else think that it may have to be an instrumental or, as
was done with OP, a song which doesn't include the film's title? I
can't see that the words CR present many decent lyrical possibilities
(and I certainly wouldn't to have to sit through another set of lyrics
like those to TMWTGG).

Best

Phil

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#2: Re: CR theme tune

Posted on 2005-11-11 17:44:37 by Mark

Phil said
>I
can't see that the words CR present many decent lyrical possibilities
(and I certainly wouldn't to have to sit through another set of >lyrics

like those to TMWTGG).


Or for that matter the original CR:(not vouching for the accuracy of
the following internet lyrics, but I am sure a few of the lines are
correct, from memory. I think they do mention the title in the version
sung at the end of the movie, though, at least once)

Beware, beware,
There's danger in the air.
Have no fear Bond is here,
They'll never get the jewels.
Bond is here have no fear.
There goes a spy,
There's evil in his eye.
Have no fear Bond is here,
The formula is safe
With old Double O Seven.
He's got a red-head in his arms.
Though he's a lover,
When you are in trouble
Have no fear.
Look who's here: James Bond.
They've got us on the run
With guns and knives,
We're fighting for our lives.
Have no fear Bond is here.
He's gonna save the world.
Bond is here have no fear...(fade)

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#3: Re: CR theme tune

Posted on 2005-11-11 17:48:25 by Mac

<a href="mailto:phil.gerrard&#64;ntlworld.com" target="_blank">phil.gerrard&#64;ntlworld.com</a> wrote:

&gt; Does anybody else think that it may have to be an instrumental or, as
&gt; was done with OP, a song which doesn't include the film's title? I
&gt; can't see that the words CR present many decent lyrical possibilities
&gt; (and I certainly wouldn't to have to sit through another set of lyrics
&gt; like those to TMWTGG).

It needn't be in the chorus, but the title could be thrown in there a la
&quot;The Spy Who Loved Me&quot; (&quot;Nobody Does it Better&quot;) The song will most
likely feature lyrics about gambling with one's life, etc...

Let's face it, they've managed before with less inspiring titles.
--
--
--Mac

&quot;Vargas does not drink...does not smoke...does not make love.
What do you do, Vargas?&quot;

&quot;Vargas is a wannabe Cockney, you Muppet! You slag! You
Pikey! You nonce!&quot;


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#4: Re: CR theme tune

Posted on 2005-11-11 20:51:41 by Phil Gerrard

Mac wrote:

&gt; It needn't be in the chorus, but the title could be thrown in there a la
&gt; &quot;The Spy Who Loved Me&quot; (&quot;Nobody Does it Better&quot;)

Perhaps.

&gt; The song will most likely feature lyrics about gambling with one's life, etc...
&gt; Let's face it, they've managed before with less inspiring titles.

The title songs seem to me to split as follows: cod-philosophcal lyrics
(YOLT, DAD), generalised love songs based around the title of the movie
(MR, FYEO), songs which could be read as love themes for characters in
the movie (TND, TWINE), songs of admiration for Bond himself (TB), and
songs about the main villain (GF, TMWTGG). The last two categories of
song have been so widely parodied that IMHO it could be dangerous to
try anything like that these days (although I suppose GE comes close).
I'm not sure whether there's a precedent in any of those for what could
be done with a title like CR, but it'll be interesting to see how they
approach the problem.

Still, it could be far worse. Imagine trying to turn some of the
titles of John Gardner's novels into theme songs - or, worse still,
attempting to do the same for 'Licence Revoked'. All the rhyming
dictionaries in the world couldn't save a song title like that.

Best

Phil

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#5: Re: CR theme tune

Posted on 2005-11-11 21:32:45 by Nick Xylas

<a href="mailto:phil.gerrard&#64;ntlworld.com" target="_blank">phil.gerrard&#64;ntlworld.com</a> wrote:
&gt;&gt; (and I certainly wouldn't to have to sit through another set of lyrics
&gt; like those to TMWTGG).
&gt;
Steven Spielberg's favourite movie theme lyric, apparently, which makes
me wonder if he's a closet Carry On fan.

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#6: Re: CR theme tune

Posted on 2005-11-11 22:23:43 by Mac

<a href="mailto:phil.gerrard&#64;ntlworld.com" target="_blank">phil.gerrard&#64;ntlworld.com</a> wrote:

&gt; Still, it could be far worse. Imagine trying to turn some of the
&gt; titles of John Gardner's novels into theme songs - or, worse still,
&gt; attempting to do the same for 'Licence Revoked'.

&quot;T'was not a county club M had joked,
&quot;The villlans went unsmoked, and I was choked,
I'd had my Licence Revoked...&quot;
--
--
--Mac

&quot;Vargas does not drink...does not smoke...does not make love.
What do you do, Vargas?&quot;

&quot;Vargas is with the Hong Kong Chapter of the Ninjas.&quot;


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#7: Re: CR theme tune

Posted on 2005-11-11 22:34:39 by Phil Gerrard

Mac wrote:

&gt; &quot;T'was not a county club M had joked,
&gt; &quot;The villlans went unsmoked, and I was choked,
&gt; I'd had my Licence Revoked...&quot;

LOL!

Phil

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#8: Re: CR theme tune

Posted on 2005-11-11 22:41:32 by Phil Gerrard

Nick Xylas wrote:

&gt; <a href="mailto:phil.gerrard&#64;ntlworld.com" target="_blank">phil.gerrard&#64;ntlworld.com</a> wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; (and I certainly wouldn't to have to sit through another set of lyrics
&gt; &gt; like those to TMWTGG).
&gt; &gt;
&gt; Steven Spielberg's favourite movie theme lyric, apparently, which makes
&gt; me wonder if he's a closet Carry On fan.

Good god. 'Who will he bang?' indeed. One can only hope that, like
the BBC censors who passed Lou Reed's 'Walk On the Wild Side' uncut for
British radio, the reason is that Spielberg simply didn't understand
what some of the lyrics meant...

Best

Phil

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#9: Re: CR theme tune

Posted on 2005-11-11 23:37:19 by Mike Feeney

&gt; Nick Xylas wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:phil.gerrard&#64;ntlworld.com" target="_blank">phil.gerrard&#64;ntlworld.com</a> wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (and I certainly wouldn't to have to sit through
&gt; &gt; &gt; another set of lyrics like those to TMWTGG).
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Steven Spielberg's favourite movie theme lyric,
&gt; &gt; apparently, which makes me wonder if he's a closet Carry
&gt; On fan.
&gt; Good god. 'Who will he bang?' indeed. One can only hope
&gt; that, like the BBC censors who passed Lou Reed's 'Walk On
&gt; the Wild Side' uncut for British radio, the reason is that
&gt; Spielberg simply didn't understand what some of the lyrics
&gt; meant...
&gt; Best
&gt;
&gt; Phil
&gt;


Whatever, Phil. I happen to like TMWTGG theme song quite a
bit; in fact, it ranks in my top 5 favorite Bond theme
songs. And I especially like the lyrics &quot;Who will he
bang?&quot; Beats the hell out of the dull and ordinary theme
songs like OP, LTK, FYEO, and TWINE to name a few.

--Mike
I'm so far in blood now that nothing could love me

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#10: Re: CR theme tune

Posted on 2005-11-12 00:40:22 by Nick Xylas

It's the &quot;comes just before the kill&quot; line that slays me. I now can't
get this rather unpleasant image of Christopher Lee having an orgasm
out of my head. Think of pretty butterflies, nice trees, anything....

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#11: Re: CR theme tune

Posted on 2005-11-12 01:34:12 by Phil Gerrard

Mike wrote:

&gt; Whatever, Phil. I happen to like TMWTGG theme song quite a
&gt; bit; in fact, it ranks in my top 5 favorite Bond theme
&gt; songs. And I especially like the lyrics &quot;Who will he
&gt; bang?&quot;

I just don't think that line works at all, because it doesn't even
qualify as a double entendre: when did anybody ever use 'bang' as a
slang word meaning 'kill' or 'shoot'?

But it's not just the lyrics that bug me about TMWTGG - to me, the
music simply doesn't have the timeless quality or the excitement of the
best Bond themes, and sounds kind of thrown together. The wah-wah
guitar in particular just screams of an attempt to be contemporary, the
middle eight doesn't flow at all from the rest of the song, and Lulu
does a hell of a lot of needless extemporising when a clear, concise,
and powerful reading of the lyrics is almost always the best approach
IMHO.

Hell, the lyrics to GF are pretty cheesy as well when you look at them
coldly, but it's the delivery that makes them work.

&gt; Beats the hell out of the dull and ordinary theme
&gt; songs like OP, LTK, FYEO, and TWINE to name a few.

Actually, I think that OP and FYEO are incredibly dull as well, and I
think that any power LTK has is derived partly from Gladys Knight's
performance, and partly from its shameless pinching of the Goldfinger
theme: it's only a qualified success. TWINE I like more each time I
hear it, but my favourite vocal Bond theme remains YOLT, no matter what
I think of the movie itself.

Best

Phil

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#12: Re: CR theme tune

Posted on 2005-11-12 01:38:59 by Phil Gerrard

Nick wrote:

&gt; It's the &quot;comes just before the kill&quot; line that slays me. I now can't
&gt; get this rather unpleasant image of Christopher Lee having an orgasm
&gt; out of my head. Think of pretty butterflies, nice trees, anything....

IIRC Lulu does audibly sing '*it* comes just before the kill' the
second time around, but of course by then the image is firmly
established. (Ironically, one could argue that this particular lyric,
however unpleasant it may seem, is one of the few things in the film
which is faithful to Fleming's novel...)

Best

Phil

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#13: Re: CR theme tune

Posted on 2005-11-14 17:56:00 by Paul Clarke

<a href="mailto:phil.gerrard&#64;ntlworld.com" target="_blank">phil.gerrard&#64;ntlworld.com</a> wrote:
&gt; Does anybody else think that it may have to be an instrumental or, as
&gt; was done with OP, a song which doesn't include the film's title? I
&gt; can't see that the words CR present many decent lyrical possibilities
&gt; (and I certainly wouldn't to have to sit through another set of lyrics
&gt; like those to TMWTGG).

I think they should call the title song &quot;A Whisper of Love, A Whisper of
Hate&quot; after the title of the last chapter of CR. It captures the
emotional arc of the Bond/Vesper relationship.

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#14: Re: CR theme tune

Posted on 2005-11-14 19:01:23 by Phil Gerrard

Paul wrote:

&gt; I think they should call the title song &quot;A Whisper of Love, A Whisper of
&gt; Hate&quot; after the title of the last chapter of CR. It captures the
&gt; emotional arc of the Bond/Vesper relationship.

I think that's a really good suggestion, not just for CR, but for
future Bond title songs in general whenever the film title seems like
unpromising lyrical material. I don't think there are many Fleming
chapter headings left which would make particularly 'Bondian' movie
titles, but as song titles some of them would be great.

Best

Phil

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#15: Re: CR theme tune

Posted on 2005-11-19 05:09:29 by David_Powell3006

<a href="mailto:phil.gerrard&#64;ntlworld.com" target="_blank">phil.gerrard&#64;ntlworld.com</a> wrote:
&gt; Mike wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Whatever, Phil. I happen to like TMWTGG theme song quite a
&gt; &gt; bit; in fact, it ranks in my top 5 favorite Bond theme
&gt; &gt; songs. And I especially like the lyrics &quot;Who will he
&gt; &gt; bang?&quot;
&gt;
&gt; I just don't think that line works at all, because it doesn't even
&gt; qualify as a double entendre: when did anybody ever use 'bang' as a
&gt; slang word meaning 'kill' or 'shoot'?
&gt;
&gt; But it's not just the lyrics that bug me about TMWTGG - to me, the
&gt; music simply doesn't have the timeless quality or the excitement of the
&gt; best Bond themes, and sounds kind of thrown together. The wah-wah
&gt; guitar in particular just screams of an attempt to be contemporary, the
&gt; middle eight doesn't flow at all from the rest of the song, and Lulu
&gt; does a hell of a lot of needless extemporising when a clear, concise,
&gt; and powerful reading of the lyrics is almost always the best approach
&gt; IMHO.
&gt;
&gt; Hell, the lyrics to GF are pretty cheesy as well when you look at them
&gt; coldly, but it's the delivery that makes them work.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Beats the hell out of the dull and ordinary theme
&gt; &gt; songs like OP, LTK, FYEO, and TWINE to name a few.
&gt;
&gt; Actually, I think that OP and FYEO are incredibly dull as well, and I
&gt; think that any power LTK has is derived partly from Gladys Knight's
&gt; performance, and partly from its shameless pinching of the Goldfinger
&gt; theme: it's only a qualified success. TWINE I like more each time I
&gt; hear it, but my favourite vocal Bond theme remains YOLT, no matter what
&gt; I think of the movie itself.

There are some good ones. FRWL isn't bad, and &quot;Thunderball&quot; is darn
good. I agree with the delivery on Goldfinger, which seems to have
become the best known vocal theme. &quot;Nobody Does it Better&quot; from &quot;The
Spy Who Loved Me&quot; went to good pop success as I recall.

&gt; Best
&gt;
&gt; Phil

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