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#1: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 14:56:12 by Cappy Morgan

Okay, I'm disapointed in this casting decision. If they are going to even
keep minute parts of what made the cinema Bond successful, Craig is going to
look severely out of place.

Now, with that said, what about continuity? This is Bond's first mission,
yet they keep the same M and Q from Brosnan's adventures. In DAD, say what
you will, but they recognized and celebrated all of the Bond adventures. We
assume this is the same Bond all along. Now, that is all out the window. I
find that rather disrespectful of the fans.

CM

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#2: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 15:11:32 by Tim Pollard

&quot;Cappy Morgan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:shakenandstirredSPAM&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">shakenandstirredSPAM&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Okay, I'm disapointed in this casting decision. If they are going to even
&gt; keep minute parts of what made the cinema Bond successful, Craig is going
to
&gt; look severely out of place.
&gt;
&gt; Now, with that said, what about continuity? This is Bond's first mission,
&gt; yet they keep the same M and Q from Brosnan's adventures. In DAD, say
what
&gt; you will, but they recognized and celebrated all of the Bond adventures.
We
&gt; assume this is the same Bond all along. Now, that is all out the window.
I
&gt; find that rather disrespectful of the fans.


Don't worry, in the last scene of the last ever film we'll discover it's
*all* been the MI6 office cleaner staying late at work and playing about
with the DAD holodeck glasses.

Honest.



Tim Pollard

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#3: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 15:12:13 by Phil Gerrard

&gt;This is Bond's first mission, yet they keep the same &gt;M and Q from Brosnan's adventures.

It's been reported that Michael Wilson said at the press conference
that 'Q' will not appear and it isn't yet certain whether Judi Dench
will return as 'M'.

Best

Phil

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#4: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 15:17:30 by Mac

<a href="mailto:phil.gerrard&#64;ntlworld.com" target="_blank">phil.gerrard&#64;ntlworld.com</a> wrote:

&gt;&gt; This is Bond's first mission, yet they keep the same &gt;M and Q from
&gt;&gt; Brosnan's adventures.
&gt;
&gt; It's been reported that Michael Wilson said at the press conference
&gt; that 'Q' will not appear and it isn't yet certain whether Judi Dench
&gt; will return as 'M'.

I saw the conference. They are hoping M will be back in the shape of
Judi Dench, but Q and Moneypenny are not in the script at this time.
--
--Mac

&quot;...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point,
he would have to slay this particular dragon. He
settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands'
three ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case.
As he waited for the delicious Balkan/Turkish blend
to take effect on his lungs, he reflected that it
was nice when old friends come home...&quot;


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#5: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 15:22:18 by Cappy Morgan

&quot;Mac&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:see.mac&#64;SPAMLESSvirgin.net" target="_blank">see.mac&#64;SPAMLESSvirgin.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; <a href="mailto:phil.gerrard&#64;ntlworld.com" target="_blank">phil.gerrard&#64;ntlworld.com</a> wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; This is Bond's first mission, yet they keep the same &gt;M and Q from
&gt;&gt;&gt; Brosnan's adventures.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; It's been reported that Michael Wilson said at the press conference
&gt;&gt; that 'Q' will not appear and it isn't yet certain whether Judi Dench
&gt;&gt; will return as 'M'.
&gt;
&gt; I saw the conference. They are hoping M will be back in the shape of
&gt; Judi Dench, but Q and Moneypenny are not in the script at this time.

Sigh, no Q and no Moneypenny? A lot less gadgets. Bond is fugly. Well,
some fans got their wish...they seem to be going book Bond, but losing all
the stuff that made movie Bond fun. I wonder how that will register with
the mainstream audience. I'm all for &quot;gritty&quot;...just didn't expect Bond to
be the one to look that part.

I'm having more trouble accepting Craig as Bond than I did an invisible car.

CM

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#6: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 15:28:06 by Mac

Cappy Morgan wrote:

&gt; I'm having more trouble accepting Craig as Bond than I did an
&gt; invisible car.

I think most of us reading your frequent posts on the subject may
have picked up on that...

Just chill, Cappy. It's happened. Wait and see.
--
--Mac

&quot;...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point,
he would have to slay this particular dragon. He
settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands'
three ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case.
As he waited for the delicious Balkan/Turkish blend
to take effect on his lungs, he reflected that Lance
Corporal Jones said it best: &quot;Don't Panic!&quot;


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#7: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 15:52:33 by Cappy Morgan

&quot;Mac&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:see.mac&#64;SPAMLESSvirgin.net" target="_blank">see.mac&#64;SPAMLESSvirgin.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Cappy Morgan wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm having more trouble accepting Craig as Bond than I did an
&gt;&gt; invisible car.
&gt;
&gt; I think most of us reading your frequent posts on the subject may
&gt; have picked up on that...
&gt;
&gt; Just chill, Cappy. It's happened. Wait and see.

Excuse me for venting on an open forum about James Bond and feeling
passionate about the biggest topic to come down the JB pike since 2002. I
guess I could follow along with the constant retreads that dominate in the
newsgroup. So, &quot;who is your favorite Bond, your favorite movie, what nail
polish did Riggs wear, what is Lazenby's shoe size, let's pick on that Scojo
troll.&quot; Feh.

CM

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#8: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 15:55:01 by Mac

Cappy Morgan wrote:
&gt;
&gt; Excuse me for venting on an open forum about James Bond and feeling
&gt; passionate about the biggest topic to come down the JB pike since
&gt; 2002. I guess I could follow along with the constant retreads that
&gt; dominate in the newsgroup. So, &quot;who is your favorite Bond, your
&gt; favorite movie, what nail polish did Riggs wear, what is Lazenby's
&gt; shoe size, let's pick on that Scojo troll.&quot; Feh.

Nah. You could just go on venting about how you're not happy with
the decision everytime somebody posts a comment.

Endless scope in that one...


--
--Mac

&quot;...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point,
he would have to slay this particular dragon. He
settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands'
three ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case.
As he waited for the delicious Balkan/Turkish blend
to take effect on his lungs, he reflected that it
was &quot;feh&quot; indeed...&quot;


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#9: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 15:56:47 by Cappy Morgan

&quot;Mac&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:see.mac&#64;SPAMLESSvirgin.net" target="_blank">see.mac&#64;SPAMLESSvirgin.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Cappy Morgan wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Excuse me for venting on an open forum about James Bond and feeling
&gt;&gt; passionate about the biggest topic to come down the JB pike since
&gt;&gt; 2002. I guess I could follow along with the constant retreads that
&gt;&gt; dominate in the newsgroup. So, &quot;who is your favorite Bond, your
&gt;&gt; favorite movie, what nail polish did Riggs wear, what is Lazenby's
&gt;&gt; shoe size, let's pick on that Scojo troll.&quot; Feh.
&gt;
&gt; Nah. You could just go on venting about how you're not happy with
&gt; the decision everytime somebody posts a comment.
&gt;
&gt; Endless scope in that one...

Or, you could just keep commenting on my comments. Opposed from adding to
the conversation. And, that makes you better than Scojo how?

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#10: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 16:04:33 by Mac

Cappy Morgan wrote:

&gt;&gt; Nah. You could just go on venting about how you're not happy with
&gt;&gt; the decision everytime somebody posts a comment.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Endless scope in that one...
&gt;
&gt; Or, you could just keep commenting on my comments. Opposed from
&gt; adding to the conversation. And, that makes you better than Scojo
&gt; how?

I am not interested in an argument. I merely responded to your response
to me. How is posting replies that you're sick to the stomach or saying
&quot;The crowd goes &quot;Feh&quot; or some other simililar comment adding to the
conversation? That's not even a conversation, Cappy. If you want to
talk about which of is is closer to Scojo territory, read back through the
last ten posts made by both of us.


--

Mac

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#11: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 16:11:56 by Icebreaker

&quot;Cappy Morgan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:shakenandstirredSPAM&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">shakenandstirredSPAM&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Sigh, no Q and no Moneypenny? A lot less gadgets. Bond is fugly. Well,
&gt; some fans got their wish...they seem to be going book Bond, but losing all
&gt; the stuff that made movie Bond fun. I wonder how that will register with
&gt; the mainstream audience.

You wonder how that will register with the mainstream audience? I'll tell
you how it'll register with the mainstream audience: Casino Royale's box
office returns will make License To Kill look like a blockbuster success.
Craig will WISH he was an unknown actor again.

I never thought I'd see the day when EON would sink to this. I mean, Bond is
a formula. It's pretty hard to screw it up. You just plug in the ingredients
and make a film every two or three years. It can't be that hard. And yet
when Michael and Barbara (whose efforts, particularly since Cubby's death,
I've really enjoyed) finally decide to go &quot;radical&quot;, they do it in all the
worst possible ways imagineable. When they could've gotten a bigger name
director with a vision, they went with Martin Campell (who turned in very
good work in Goldeneye). When they could've gotten a better looking, better
known name at a reasonable price with a hit tv show for a following (Julian
McMahon), they went with Daniel Craig. When they could've gone retro and
made it a period piece set against the history of the Cold War and 1950's
politics and society, they decided to keep it contemporary. When they
could've gone younger, as we were led to believe they wanted to, in order to
compete with Jason Bourne, they went with a guy who is 37 years old but
looks 47. How in the hell do you go from Pierce Brosnan to Daniel Craig and
expect the audience to just follow? They're rebooting the series, yet hoping
to keep Judi Dench. They want to shake up the series, yet they keep the same
writers. I mean, none of this adds up. It just doesn't.

This casting is going to go down as one of the biggest boneheaded decisions
in the history of mankind, right along with David Caruso leaving NYPD Blue
after one year for a film career, or Michael Dukakis' decision to pose for a
photo op while riding around in a battle tank with a helmet on that was
twice the size of his head.

&gt; I'm having more trouble accepting Craig as Bond than I did an invisible
&gt; car.

Craig was the ONLY candidate that I rejected completely. Everyone else had
at least something to recommend, but not Craig. However......I was also
certain that Batman, as played by Michael Keaton, was going to be a huge
flop because Keaton could not possibly play the role, yet the moment I saw
the trailer I knew it was going to be a hit, and you know what? Michael was
great as Bruce Wayne/Batman. So, at this point, EON's damage has been done.
We don't like the decision, but it has been made, and hopefully in May or
June of '06 we'll see our first trailer for the film and we'll have
something to rally behind and be able to fully support the film.

-------------------------------------
Icebreaker
&quot;Well, they expect a certain amount of theft, Michael. It's built into the
price. If I didn't take it, then people would be overpaying for nothing.&quot;

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#12: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 16:17:10 by Cappy Morgan

&quot;Mac&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:see.mac&#64;SPAMLESSvirgin.net" target="_blank">see.mac&#64;SPAMLESSvirgin.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Cappy Morgan wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Nah. You could just go on venting about how you're not happy with
&gt;&gt;&gt; the decision everytime somebody posts a comment.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Endless scope in that one...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Or, you could just keep commenting on my comments. Opposed from
&gt;&gt; adding to the conversation. And, that makes you better than Scojo
&gt;&gt; how?
&gt;
&gt; I am not interested in an argument. I merely responded to your response
&gt; to me. How is posting replies that you're sick to the stomach or saying
&gt; &quot;The crowd goes &quot;Feh&quot; or some other simililar comment adding to the
&gt; conversation? That's not even a conversation, Cappy. If you want to
&gt; talk about which of is is closer to Scojo territory, read back through the
&gt; last ten posts made by both of us.

I'm sorry, Mac, I didn't realize you were the moderator of the group. I've
been posting on this newsgroup for years...I feel a bit edgy about something
and you give me a bit of grief. You have the choice NOT to read my posts.
I'll definitely try to make my future comments better reflect something that
which you would approve. I'm simply not a fan of others telling eachother
&quot;to chill&quot;. This is an open fan forum and is not mandated by the select
few who post multiple times a day, or rub knobs with the &quot;innner circle&quot;.
That said, your point is made...wait and see.

CM

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#13: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 16:28:11 by Mac

Cappy Morgan wrote:

&gt; I'm sorry, Mac, I didn't realize you were the moderator of the group.
&gt; I've been posting on this newsgroup for years...I feel a bit edgy
&gt; about something and you give me a bit of grief. You have the choice
&gt; NOT to read my posts. I'll definitely try to make my future comments
&gt; better reflect something that which you would approve. I'm simply
&gt; not a fan of others telling eachother &quot;to chill&quot;. This is an open
&gt; fan forum and is not mandated by the select few who post multiple
&gt; times a day, or rub knobs with the &quot;innner circle&quot;. That said, your
&gt; point is made...wait and see.

Fine. If you felt offended by my asking you to wait, the inferences
and not so veiled insults I have taken from the above have more
than evened the score.

Have a good day.
--
--Mac


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#14: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 16:29:40 by Tim Pollard

&quot;Cappy Morgan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:shakenandstirredSPAM&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">shakenandstirredSPAM&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; This is an open fan forum and is not mandated by the select
&gt; few who post multiple times a day, or rub knobs with the &quot;innner circle&quot;.


So where's all this the knob-rubbing in an inner circle? I *always* miss out
on the good stuff!

Er... oh.





:-)

Tim Pollard

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#15: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 16:45:10 by Cappy Morgan

&quot;Mac&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:see.mac&#64;SPAMLESSvirgin.net" target="_blank">see.mac&#64;SPAMLESSvirgin.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:3r9tk6FhnfkvU1&#64;individual.net..." target="_blank">3r9tk6FhnfkvU1&#64;individual.net...</a>
&gt; Cappy Morgan wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm sorry, Mac, I didn't realize you were the moderator of the group.
&gt;&gt; I've been posting on this newsgroup for years...I feel a bit edgy
&gt;&gt; about something and you give me a bit of grief. You have the choice
&gt;&gt; NOT to read my posts. I'll definitely try to make my future comments
&gt;&gt; better reflect something that which you would approve. I'm simply
&gt;&gt; not a fan of others telling eachother &quot;to chill&quot;. This is an open
&gt;&gt; fan forum and is not mandated by the select few who post multiple
&gt;&gt; times a day, or rub knobs with the &quot;innner circle&quot;. That said, your
&gt;&gt; point is made...wait and see.
&gt;
&gt; Fine. If you felt offended by my asking you to wait, the inferences
&gt; and not so veiled insults I have taken from the above have more
&gt; than evened the score.
&gt;
&gt; Have a good day.

Apology accepted.......kiiiiiiidddddding. I'm sorry for getting worked up
about nothing (the comments to you, not about casting DC.). I'll take
complete blame for this rather unfortunate interaction. If you can't tell,
my coffee finally kicked in. I guess caffeine has the same effect for me
as a martini does for others. I'll try to be as opened minded as I possibly
can (no guarantees) and give this poor slub a chance (or not,.depending on
my mood.) Either way, no reason to butt heads. Hmmm...butting heads,
rubbing knobs...the weekend must be approaching for me. Don't ask.

Please do have a wonderful day and carry on my wayward son....

CM

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#16: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 16:56:29 by Mac

Cappy Morgan wrote:


&gt; Apology accepted.......kiiiiiiidddddding. I'm sorry for getting
&gt; worked up about nothing (the comments to you, not about casting DC.).
&gt; I'll take complete blame for this rather unfortunate interaction. If
&gt; you can't tell, my coffee finally kicked in. I guess caffeine has
&gt; the same effect for me as a martini does for others. I'll try to be
&gt; as opened minded as I possibly can (no guarantees) and give this poor
&gt; slub a chance (or not,.depending on my mood.) Either way, no reason
&gt; to butt heads. Hmmm...butting heads, rubbing knobs...the weekend
&gt; must be approaching for me. Don't ask.
&gt; Please do have a wonderful day and carry on my wayward son....

I'll take my share of the blame. I'm not so sure of Craig myself (see
other post), but he is a talented actor. That he can overcome the
fact that he is in stark contrast to the accepted image of Bond
rests on his and the film-makers shoulders.

I actually find the prospect of giving Bond a &quot;kick up the arse&quot; exciting!

Cap, give us a kiss. Go on. No-one's looking...

--
--Mac

&quot;James Bond. You appear with the tedious inevitability of
a knob-rubbing contest at a Bond convention&quot;


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#17: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 17:09:00 by Cappy Morgan

&quot;Mac&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:see.mac&#64;SPAMLESSvirgin.net" target="_blank">see.mac&#64;SPAMLESSvirgin.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Cappy Morgan wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Apology accepted.......kiiiiiiidddddding. I'm sorry for getting
&gt;&gt; worked up about nothing (the comments to you, not about casting DC.).
&gt;&gt; I'll take complete blame for this rather unfortunate interaction. If
&gt;&gt; you can't tell, my coffee finally kicked in. I guess caffeine has
&gt;&gt; the same effect for me as a martini does for others. I'll try to be
&gt;&gt; as opened minded as I possibly can (no guarantees) and give this poor
&gt;&gt; slub a chance (or not,.depending on my mood.) Either way, no reason
&gt;&gt; to butt heads. Hmmm...butting heads, rubbing knobs...the weekend
&gt;&gt; must be approaching for me. Don't ask.
&gt;&gt; Please do have a wonderful day and carry on my wayward son....
&gt;
&gt; I'll take my share of the blame. I'm not so sure of Craig myself (see
&gt; other post), but he is a talented actor. That he can overcome the
&gt; fact that he is in stark contrast to the accepted image of Bond
&gt; rests on his and the film-makers shoulders.

Okay, just to address my DC comments. It is hard for me to switch from
Brosnan to Craig. It is just such a stark contrast. And, I admit, I am a
Brozzy fan. If that wasn't obvious.

I focused on the negative and now the positive. He is a British actor.
They seem to be maintaining a lot of CR in the movie. Bond will be grittier
and more character driven. They needed to break a bit from a very rigid
formula. They toned down the gadgets.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it will somehow maintain some of the
&quot;fun&quot; without being too outlandish. The fact they said they are inspired by
FRWL is a good sign. How the mainstream will react to this is anyone's
guess. They seem to be drawn to the GF, TSWLM, MR and DAD of the series.
Okay, I meant more extreme elements of Bond...not comparing GF to DAD. I
personally, enjoyed both.

However, Bond has become a superhero...it is time he became more human.

&gt;
&gt; I actually find the prospect of giving Bond a &quot;kick up the arse&quot; exciting!

Agreed. I like that idea too. I've said it numerous times. But, of
course, I said that with Brosnan in the helm. Now, I just have to wait and
see.......(biting fingernails.)

&gt;
&gt; Cap, give us a kiss. Go on. No-one's looking...

Smooch.

&gt; &quot;James Bond. You appear with the tedious inevitability of
&gt; a knob-rubbing contest at a Bond convention&quot;

LOL...now there is an idea.

CM

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#18: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 17:28:16 by Tom Zielinski

&quot;Mac&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:see.mac&#64;SPAMLESSvirgin.net" target="_blank">see.mac&#64;SPAMLESSvirgin.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Cappy Morgan wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm having more trouble accepting Craig as Bond than I did an
&gt;&gt; invisible car.
&gt;
&gt; I think most of us reading your frequent posts on the subject may
&gt; have picked up on that...
&gt;
&gt; Just chill, Cappy. It's happened. Wait and see.



Agreed. I was seriously disappointed that Brosnan would not be returning,
and until the last few weeks still held out hope. We have all been
disappointed by the series to some degree at one time or another, yes? But
that sting has lifted, and I am excited at the prospect of this new
direction. Craig looks fine (cruelly handsome) to me, I enjoyed &quot;Layer
Cake&quot;, the concept of an early Bond is intriguing, and I am completely
prepared and excited for &quot;Casino Royale.&quot;

Undeniably, several potential pitfalls exist, but I unreservedly trust that
the writers, director, and EON are attempting to bring a quality James Bond
film to the screen. Further, from what is known and from what I've heard of
this undeniably bold experiment within the formula, the project does have a
certain resonance. It simply feels right.

May &quot;Casino Royale&quot; succeed beyond our wildest dreams, and may what I
consider to be the &quot;Second Golden Age of Bond&quot; continue. So a sincere
welcome to the fold, Mr. Craig.

Finally, thank you Pierce Brosnan. You filled huge shoes admirably, were
the best thing about the last four films, and did the series proud for ten
years. Well done sir.

Here's hoping the same will be said of Daniel Craig.




Tom Zielinski
&quot;...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point, he would have to slay this
particular dragon. He settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands' three
ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case. As he waited for the
delicious Balkan/Turkish blend to take effect on his lungs, he reflected
that the &quot;the sky is not falling&quot; axiom seems to be appropriate yet again
....&quot;

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#19: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-14 17:48:37 by Tom Zielinski

&gt;&gt; Sigh, no Q and no Moneypenny? A lot less gadgets. Bond is fugly. Well,
&gt;&gt; some fans got their wish...they seem to be going book Bond, but losing
&gt;&gt; all the stuff that made movie Bond fun. I wonder how that will register
&gt;&gt; with the mainstream audience.
&gt;
&gt; You wonder how that will register with the mainstream audience? I'll tell
&gt; you how it'll register with the mainstream audience: Casino Royale's box
&gt; office returns will make License To Kill look like a blockbuster success.


What utter rubbish.

I am utterly baffled by the fan (if that is the correct term) who measures
the success of a Bond film in pounds and dollars.


&gt; Craig will WISH he was an unknown actor again.


See above.



&gt; I never thought I'd see the day when EON would sink to this. I mean, Bond
&gt; is a formula. It's pretty hard to screw it up. You just plug in the
&gt; ingredients and make a film every two or three years. It can't be that
&gt; hard. And yet when Michael and Barbara (whose efforts, particularly since
&gt; Cubby's death, I've really enjoyed) finally decide to go &quot;radical&quot;, they
&gt; do it in all the worst possible ways imagineable. When they could've
&gt; gotten a bigger name director with a vision, they went with Martin Campell
&gt; (who turned in very good work in Goldeneye). When they could've gotten a
&gt; better looking, better known name at a reasonable price with a hit tv show
&gt; for a following (Julian McMahon), they went with Daniel Craig. When they
&gt; could've gone retro and made it a period piece set against the history of
&gt; the Cold War and 1950's politics and society, they decided to keep it
&gt; contemporary. When they could've gone younger, as we were led to believe
&gt; they wanted to, in order to compete with Jason Bourne, they went with a
&gt; guy who is 37 years old but looks 47. How in the hell do you go from
&gt; Pierce Brosnan to Daniel Craig and expect the audience to just follow?
&gt; They're rebooting the series, yet hoping to keep Judi Dench. They want to
&gt; shake up the series, yet they keep the same writers. I mean, none of this
&gt; adds up. It just doesn't.
&gt;
&gt; This casting is going to go down as one of the biggest boneheaded
&gt; decisions in the history of mankind, right along with David Caruso leaving
&gt; NYPD Blue after one year for a film career, or Michael Dukakis' decision
&gt; to pose for a photo op while riding around in a battle tank with a helmet
&gt; on that was twice the size of his head.


Yeah, moments that shook the world. Right up there with William Shatner
belting out &quot;LSD.&quot;


&gt;&gt; I'm having more trouble accepting Craig as Bond than I did an invisible
&gt;&gt; car.
&gt;
&gt; Craig was the ONLY candidate that I rejected completely. Everyone else had
&gt; at least something to recommend, but not Craig. However......I was also
&gt; certain that Batman, as played by Michael Keaton, was going to be a huge
&gt; flop because Keaton could not possibly play the role, yet the moment I saw
&gt; the trailer I knew it was going to be a hit, and you know what? Michael
&gt; was great as Bruce Wayne/Batman. So, at this point, EON's damage has been
&gt; done. We don't like the decision,


&quot;We&quot; representing whom exactly?


&gt; but it has been made, and hopefully in May or June of '06 we'll see our
&gt; first trailer for the film and we'll have something to rally behind and be
&gt; able to fully support the film.


Oh, such much more fun to damn the project out of hand, right? Isn't it?

Many are supporting the project now. You might try that, it may even loosen
your bowels.

Sorry...that was inappropriate...



Tom Zielinski

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#20: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-15 00:44:48 by gclapperton

In article &lt;XhO3f.1496$%<a href="mailto:42.448&#64;okepread06" target="_blank">42.448&#64;okepread06</a>&gt;, <a href="mailto:shakenandstirredSPAM&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">shakenandstirredSPAM&#64;cox.net</a>
(Cappy Morgan) wrote:

&gt; I'm having more trouble accepting Craig as Bond than I did an invisible
&gt; car.

Anyone else want to wait until they've seen Craig as Bond? Or shall we
just continue criticising him for being non-Bond-like in roles where he,
er, wasn't playing Bond..?

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#21: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-15 01:29:27 by The Shadow

&quot;Mac&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:see.mac&#64;SPAMLESSvirgin.net" target="_blank">see.mac&#64;SPAMLESSvirgin.net</a>&gt; wrote :
&gt; &quot;...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point,
&gt; he would have to slay this particular dragon. He
&gt; settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands'
&gt; three ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case.
&gt; As he waited for the delicious Balkan/Turkish blend
&gt; to take effect on his lungs, he reflected that it
&gt; was nice when old friends come home...&quot;




Here to stay and in full posting mode.

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#22: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-15 01:32:33 by The Shadow

&quot;Cappy Morgan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:shakenandstirredSPAM&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">shakenandstirredSPAM&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; wrote :
&gt;I'm simply not a fan of others telling eachother &quot;to chill&quot;.




Chill


Word!

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#23: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-15 01:36:49 by The Shadow

&quot;It's a Wonderful Ice&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:icebreaker&#64;fema.org" target="_blank">icebreaker&#64;fema.org</a>&gt; wrote :
&gt; You wonder how that will register with the mainstream audience? I'll tell
&gt; you how it'll register with the mainstream audience: Casino Royale's box
&gt; office returns will make License To Kill look like a blockbuster success.
&gt; Craig will WISH he was an unknown actor again.




This coming from the person who wanted Billy Zane to be 007.

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#24: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-15 03:01:24 by dperry

On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:11:32 GMT, &quot;Tim Pollard&quot; &lt;timpollard@ y a h o o .com&gt;
wrote:

&gt;&quot;Cappy Morgan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:shakenandstirredSPAM&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">shakenandstirredSPAM&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;news:sVN3f.1493$%<a href="mailto:42.1396&#64;okepread06..." target="_blank">42.1396&#64;okepread06...</a>
&gt;&gt; Okay, I'm disapointed in this casting decision. If they are going to even
&gt;&gt; keep minute parts of what made the cinema Bond successful, Craig is going
&gt;to
&gt;&gt; look severely out of place.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Now, with that said, what about continuity? This is Bond's first mission,
&gt;&gt; yet they keep the same M and Q from Brosnan's adventures. In DAD, say
&gt;what
&gt;&gt; you will, but they recognized and celebrated all of the Bond adventures.
&gt;We
&gt;&gt; assume this is the same Bond all along. Now, that is all out the window.
&gt;I
&gt;&gt; find that rather disrespectful of the fans.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Don't worry, in the last scene of the last ever film we'll discover it's
&gt;*all* been the MI6 office cleaner staying late at work and playing about
&gt;with the DAD holodeck glasses.
&gt;
&gt;Honest.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Tim Pollard
&gt;
&gt;www.timpollard.com


Tim -- you KILL me! You should write the one liners for bond!
&gt;


Denise Perry

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#25: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-15 03:02:22 by dperry

On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:29:40 GMT, &quot;Tim Pollard&quot; &lt;timpollard@ y a h o o .com&gt;
wrote:

&gt;&quot;Cappy Morgan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:shakenandstirredSPAM&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">shakenandstirredSPAM&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;news:n5P3f.1502$%<a href="mailto:42.1022&#64;okepread06..." target="_blank">42.1022&#64;okepread06...</a>
&gt;
&gt;&gt; This is an open fan forum and is not mandated by the select
&gt;&gt; few who post multiple times a day, or rub knobs with the &quot;innner circle&quot;.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;So where's all this the knob-rubbing in an inner circle? I *always* miss out
&gt;on the good stuff!
&gt;
&gt;Er... oh.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;:-)
&gt;
&gt;Tim Pollard
&gt;
&gt;www.timpollard.com
&gt;

Tim -- my knobs are waiting. ROTFL!


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#26: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-15 03:27:14 by dperry

On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:36:49 -0400, &quot;The Shadow&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:miehls&#64;bright.net" target="_blank">miehls&#64;bright.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;
&gt;&quot;It's a Wonderful Ice&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:icebreaker&#64;fema.org" target="_blank">icebreaker&#64;fema.org</a>&gt; wrote :
&gt;&gt; You wonder how that will register with the mainstream audience? I'll tell
&gt;&gt; you how it'll register with the mainstream audience: Casino Royale's box
&gt;&gt; office returns will make License To Kill look like a blockbuster success.
&gt;&gt; Craig will WISH he was an unknown actor again.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;This coming from the person who wanted Billy Zane to be 007.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
Bald or with hair?

Denise Perry

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#27: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-15 03:35:52 by Mark

the shadow said:

&gt;Here to stay and in full posting mode.

i hope that means we are in for some gratuitous sex and violence, then.

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#28: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-15 12:34:29 by Tim Pollard

&quot;Denise Perry&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dperry&#64;uiuc.edu" target="_blank">dperry&#64;uiuc.edu</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:4350550d.19450125&#64;news.ks.uiuc.edu..." target="_blank">4350550d.19450125&#64;news.ks.uiuc.edu...</a>
&gt;
&gt; Tim -- my knobs are waiting. ROTFL!


&lt;Frantically books tickets to US...&gt;

:-)


Hugs!

Tim

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#29: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-16 15:06:21 by The Shadow

&quot;Mark&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:trustmeimalawyer2&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">trustmeimalawyer2&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:1129340152.526472.23320&#64;g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1129340152.526472.23320&#64;g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt; the shadow said:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Here to stay and in full posting mode.
&gt;
&gt; i hope that means we are in for some gratuitous sex and violence, then.



The things I do for England....

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#30: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-16 15:07:44 by The Shadow

&quot;Tim Pollard&quot; &lt;timpollard@ y a h o o .com&gt; wrote in message
news:VW44f.1674$<a href="mailto:6i4.1454&#64;newsfe7-gui.ntli.net..." target="_blank">6i4.1454&#64;newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...</a>
&gt; &quot;Denise Perry&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dperry&#64;uiuc.edu" target="_blank">dperry&#64;uiuc.edu</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:4350550d.19450125&#64;news.ks.uiuc.edu..." target="_blank">4350550d.19450125&#64;news.ks.uiuc.edu...</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Tim -- my knobs are waiting. ROTFL!
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &lt;Frantically books tickets to US...&gt;
&gt;
&gt; :-)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Hugs!
&gt;
&gt; Tim




Bastard!

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#31: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-16 20:48:52 by Paul Haynes

&quot;The Shadow&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:miehls&#64;bright.net" target="_blank">miehls&#64;bright.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:hpGdnV970v76zc_eRVn-gw&#64;bright.net..." target="_blank">hpGdnV970v76zc_eRVn-gw&#64;bright.net...</a>
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Mark&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:trustmeimalawyer2&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">trustmeimalawyer2&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:1129340152.526472.23320&#64;g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1129340152.526472.23320&#64;g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt;&gt; the shadow said:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Here to stay and in full posting mode.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; i hope that means we are in for some gratuitous sex and violence, then.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; The things I do for England....

Yeah what have you done lately then?

Haynes'ey.

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#32: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-16 20:57:51 by Mac

Haynes'ey wrote:

&gt; &quot;The Shadow&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:miehls&#64;bright.net" target="_blank">miehls&#64;bright.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; The things I do for England....
&gt;
&gt; Yeah what have you done lately then?

Remained in America?
--
--Mac

&quot;...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point,
he would have to slay this particular dragon. He
settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands'
three ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case.
As he waited for the delicious Balkan/Turkish blend
to take effect on his lungs, he reflected that Felix
had obviously lost his mind when he decided to name
his son Zippo...&quot;


see dot mac at virgin dot net

www.cinemaretro.com

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#33: Re: Continuity Be Damned!

Posted on 2005-10-16 21:13:49 by Paul Haynes

&quot;Mac&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:see.mac&#64;SPAMLESSvirgin.net" target="_blank">see.mac&#64;SPAMLESSvirgin.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:3rfm5rFjd1bmU1&#64;individual.net..." target="_blank">3rfm5rFjd1bmU1&#64;individual.net...</a>

&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;The Shadow&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:miehls&#64;bright.net" target="_blank">miehls&#64;bright.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; The things I do for England....
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Yeah what have you done lately then?
&gt;
&gt; Remained in America?

Good Point and taken.

Haynes'ey.

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