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#1: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 01:46:50 by John Shocked

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Gaylactic Awards Presented
Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
themes and issues.
The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
categories for works originally released in 2003.
The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners follows.
Best Novel
.. The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
Best Short Fiction
.. &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
Best Other Work
.. Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
.. Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and Michael Lark
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#2: TROLL Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 02:02:46 by Roger

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&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html" target="_blank">http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; ==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt; Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt; Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt; created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt; bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt; The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt; themes and issues.
&gt; The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt; manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt; awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt; categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt; The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt; Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
&gt; follows.
&gt; Best Novel
&gt; . The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt; Best Short Fiction
&gt; . &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt; Best Other Work
&gt; . Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt; . Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and Michael
&gt; Lark
&gt; =====================================
&gt;
&gt; Politics
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#3: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 02:42:09 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; ==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt; &gt; Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt; &gt; Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt; &gt; created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt; &gt; bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt; &gt; The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt; &gt; themes and issues.
&gt; &gt; The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt; &gt; manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt; &gt; awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt; &gt; categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt; &gt; The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt; &gt; Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
&gt; &gt; follows.
&gt; &gt; Best Novel
&gt; &gt; . The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt; &gt; Best Short Fiction
&gt; &gt; . &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt; &gt; Best Other Work
&gt; &gt; . Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt; &gt; . Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and Michael
&gt; &gt; Lark
&gt; &gt; =====================================
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#4: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 03:20:59 by Mutts

On Sat, 28 May 2005 16:46:50 -0700, &quot;John Shocked&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;===================================
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&gt;
&gt;<a href="http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html" target="_blank">http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html</a>
&gt;
&gt;==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt;Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt;Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt;created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt;bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt;The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt;themes and issues.

No problem with that I'd guess. I've never seen a scifi homo child
molester yet.
-Rich

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#5: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 03:36:53 by FDR

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Yeah, the truth is you are wacked in the head. Realize it now and the
truth, along with some counseling, will set you free.

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&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html" target="_blank">http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html</a>
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; ==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt;&gt; &gt; Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt;&gt; &gt; Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt;&gt; &gt; created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt;&gt; &gt; bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt;&gt; &gt; The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt;&gt; &gt; themes and issues.
&gt;&gt; &gt; The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt;&gt; &gt; manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt;&gt; &gt; awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt;&gt; &gt; categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt;&gt; &gt; The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt;&gt; &gt; Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
&gt;&gt; &gt; follows.
&gt;&gt; &gt; Best Novel
&gt;&gt; &gt; . The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt;&gt; &gt; Best Short Fiction
&gt;&gt; &gt; . &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt;&gt; &gt; Best Other Work
&gt;&gt; &gt; . Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt;&gt; &gt; . Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and Michael
&gt;&gt; &gt; Lark
&gt;&gt; &gt; =====================================
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
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#6: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 04:10:22 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; Yeah, the truth is you are wacked in the head. Realize it now and the
&gt; truth, along with some counseling, will set you free.

It is the truth. Why do you fear the truth.

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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html" target="_blank">http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html</a>
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; ==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; themes and issues.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; follows.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Novel
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Short Fiction
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Other Work
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and
Michael
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Lark
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; =====================================
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
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#7: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 04:12:54 by John Shocked

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&gt; On Sat, 28 May 2005 16:46:50 -0700, &quot;John Shocked&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;===================================
&gt; &gt;News Bulletin from www.scifi.com :
&gt; &gt;<a href="http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html" target="_blank">http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html</a>
&gt; &gt;==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt; &gt;Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt; &gt;Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt; &gt;created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt; &gt;bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt; &gt;The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt; &gt;themes and issues.
&gt; No problem with that I'd guess. I've never seen a scifi homo child
&gt; molester yet.
&gt; -Rich


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Homosexual Urban Legends -- The Series...

Homosexuals claim that &quot;heterosexuals&quot; molest most children but statistics
show that homosexuals molest at far higher rates than do heterosexuals.
Rev. Paul Shanley, a retired Catholic priest was arrested on May 4, 2002 in
San Diego on three counts of child rape. Shanley had a history of molesting
boys that went back to 1967. He was at the founding meeting of the North
American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) and while in San Diego
operated a bed &amp; breakfast for homosexuals in Palm Springs. Shanley
has openly called for &quot;man-boy&quot; love.


David Carlton Nurmi, was arrested in Florida on April 26, 2002, for
possession of child pornography and for molesting a 15-year-old boy.


Geoffrey Cornish, a well-respected Solana Beach, California therapist was
sentenced to 23 years in prison in September, 2001 for sexually molesting
boys who came to him for therapy. Cornish, who is HIV-positive, was also a
coach for the Torrey Pines High School surf team. Cornish told police he had
been molested himself by a Boy Scout leader for three years when he was
living in England.


James Edward Sanders, a homosexual child molester, was arrested in New
Mexico in December, 2001 for sexually abusing a 7-year-old boy. Police also
discovered child pornography in Sanders' home.


Christopher Reardon, a homosexual, former youth minister, and Boy Scout
leader was sentenced to 40-50 years in prison in the Summer of 2001 for
raping, molesting, and disseminating pornography to 29 boys under his care.
These are only a few of the homosexual child molestation cases to hit the
news during 2001-02. Virtually every week, newspapers detail more cases
involving homosexuals who have sexually assaulted children under their care.
New York Post Exposes High Rate Of Teacher/Student Molestations
In a story not widely publicized in the mainstream press, the New York Post
published a story in its July 30, 2001 edition about the secret epidemic of
homosexual child abuse cases that go unreported in New York City's public
schools.

The report, &quot;Secret Shame Of Our Schools: Sexual Abuse Of Students Runs
Rampant,&quot; by Douglas Montero, is the result of an analysis of 117 cases of
sexual abuse between January 1999 and June 2001. Sixty percent of those
accused of sexual abuse were transferred to desk jobs inside the school
district. Forty percent of those transferred suspects were repeat sex
offenders.

The report noted that out of the 117 cases, 212 children were victims. In
45% of the cases, the sex offender attacked more than one student. In nearly
16% of the cases, school officials delayed or tried to cover up the sexual
molestations. The average victim is a 15-year-old girl and 75% of the
victims were girls. According to the report, &quot;Nearly 20 percent of the
offenders are homosexuals and in most of these cases, the attack led to a
sexual relationship with the stu- dent.&quot; The report also discovered that the
Board of Education investigated another 347 substantiated sex abuse cases
between January 2000 and July 20, 2001. Adding the 117 cases with the 327,
it appears that at least one child is sexually abused each day by a school
employee-and 20% of these molestations against children are done by
homosexuals!

Homosexuals Molest Children At A Far Higher Rate Than Heterosexuals
Homosexuals account for only 1-2% of our population based on current
surveys. The National Opinion Research Center in 1992 found that 2.8% of men
and 1.4% of women identified themselves as &quot;homosexual&quot; or &quot;bisexual. A 1995
survey of 18-49-year-old men published by the Journal of Sex Research
indicated that 2.6% of them had engaged in homosexual sex within the prior
12 months; 4% had had homosexual sex within the past five years. In other
words, at least 98-99% of our population is heterosexual in orientation.
Homosexual activists routinely claim that most child molesters are
&quot;heterosexual&quot; males, thus shifting the focus away from their own very high
rates of molestation. Since 98-99% of the population is heterosexual, it is
technically correct to say that most molestations are done by heterosexuals.
However, statistics indicate that homosexuals pose a far more serious threat
to children than do heterosexuals.
For example: In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a
ten-state study of sex abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199
cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14 female
teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homosexual male
teachers had molested boys and four female homosexual teachers had molested
girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved
homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the
population.

Dr. Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes &amp; Consequences, describes
the research done by Dr. Gene Abel. This researcher compared the molestation
rates of self-confessed homosexual and heterosexual child molesters. In a
sample of 153 homosexual molesters, they confessed to a total of 22,981
molestations. This is equivalent to 150 children per molester. Self-admitted
heterosexual molesters admitted to 4,435 molestations. This comes to 19.8
victims per molester. Dr. Abel concluded that homosexuals &quot;sexually molest
young boys at an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than
the molestation of girls.&quot;

This high rate of molestations by homosexuals is consistent with other
studies conducted during the past several decades. Here are just a few
studies that show homosexuals molesting children at epidemic rates:
The Los Angeles Times conducted a survey in 1985 of 2,628 adults across the
U.S. Of those, 27% of the women and 16% of the men had been sexually
molested. Seven percent of the girls and 93% of the men had been molested by
adults of the same sex. This means that 40% of child molestations were by
homosexuals. (Los Angeles Times, August 25-6, 1985)
In 1984, a Vermont survey of 161 adolescents who were sex offenders found
that 35 of them were homosexuals (22%). (Wasserman, J., &quot;Adolescent Sex
Offenders-Vermont, 1984&quot; Journal American Medical Association, 1986;
255:181-2)

In 1991, of the 100 child molesters at the Massachusetts Treatment Center
for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third were
bisexual, and a third were homosexual. (Dr. Raymond Knight, &quot;Differential
Prevalence of Personality Disorders in Rapists and Child Molesters,&quot; Eastern
Psychological Association Conference, New York, April 12, 1991)
Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clark Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto
reviewed two studies on child molesters and calculated that 34% and 32% of
the sex offenders were homosexual. In cases these doctors had handled, 36%
of the molesters were homosexuals. (Freund, K. &quot;Pedophilia and
Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality,&quot; Journal of Sex &amp; Marital Therapy, 1984;
10:193-200)

From these studies and many more, it is evident that homosexuals molest
children at a far greater rate than do their heterosexual counterparts.
While they comprise only 1-2% of the population, they are responsible for
upwards of a third or more of all sexual molestations of children.
Exposing The Homosexual/Pedophile Link
Homosexuals seldom openly admit that they want to sexually assault children,
but their literature and their actions tell another story. In the January
1-8, 2001 issue of The Weekly Standard, author Mary Eberstadt exposed the
clear link between homosexual activism and the growing North-American Man-
Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) movement. Writing in &quot;'Pedophilia Chic'
Reconsidered: The taboo against sex with children continues to erode,&quot;
Eberstadt notes:

The reason why the public is being urged to reconsider boy pedophilia is
that this 'question,' settled though it may be in the opinions and laws of
the rest of the country, is demonstrably not yet settled within certain
parts of the gay rights movement. The more that movement has entered the
mainstream, the more this 'question' has bubbled forth from that previously
distant realm in the public square.

Eberstadt notes that the book, Male Inter-Generational Intimacy: Historical,
Socio-Psychological, and Legal Perspectives edited by pedophile Edward
Brongersma is currently available in the &quot;gay/lesbian&quot; sections of
bookstores like Borders. This book, which openly promotes pedophilia, was
first published in the Journal of Homosexuality in 1990. The Journal is
edited by John DeCecco, a psychologist at San Francisco State University.
DeCecco is a board member of the Dutch pedophile journal, Paidika.
The homosexual magazine Guide published a pro-pedophile editorial in its
July, 1995 issue. In referring to pedophiles as &quot;prophets&quot; of sexual
freedom, the Guide editorialist wrote: &quot;We must listen to our prophets.
Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that
sex is good, including children's sexuality. . . . Surrounded by pious
moralists with deadening anti-sexual rules, we must be shameless
rulebreakers, demonstrating our allegiance to a higher concept of love. We
must do it for the children's sake.&quot;

Parents are correct to be concerned about homosexuals sexually assaulting
their children. The Boy Scouts of America, for example, is right to prohibit
homosexuals from membership or leadership positions. It is evident from the
statistical evidence and news reports of child molestation cases, that
homosexuals pose a clear and present danger to children. Our laws and social
policies should protect children, not cater to the whims and sexual desires
of sexual predators. We must oppose homosexual activism &quot;for the children's
sake.&quot;
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Posted on 2005-05-29 04:29:48 by Chance Hopkins

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&gt;&gt; Yeah, the truth is you are wacked in the head. Realize it now and the
&gt;&gt; truth, along with some counseling, will set you free.
&gt;
&gt; It is the truth. Why do you fear the truth.
&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;


Here is some truth. Don't let your kid's parents be republicans, it's not
good for the kids.


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46 REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILES

* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a
convicted child rapist in Florida.

* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to
molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in
prison.

* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a
10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty
to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to
anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10
years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in
federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to
three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom
Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended
during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after
admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having
an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

* Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex
parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties
at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican Congressman Donald &quot;Buz&quot; Lukens was found guilty of
having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of
child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of
sex crimes involving children.

* Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to
attempted sexual assault on a child.

* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor
working as a congressional page.

* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly
Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

* Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with
a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was
charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for
distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. &quot;Republican Marty&quot;),
was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful
sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the
drug LSD.

* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with
molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having
sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after
the allegations were reported in the media.

* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to
traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a
14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing
his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

* Republican anti-gay activist Earl &quot;Butch&quot; Kimmerling was
sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after
he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts
of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to
two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year
old girl.

* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of
first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

* Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven
felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age
of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged
with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to
molesting a male child.

* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual
assault on a teenage girl.

* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his
two daughters.

* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was
convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded
guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no
contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession
of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months
in federal prison and fined $18,000.

* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state
representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography
was found in his possession.

* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin
Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex
from boys and girls over the internet.

* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a
&quot;good military man&quot; and &quot;church goer,&quot; was convicted of repeatedly
having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for
Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in
the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

* Republican director of the &quot;Young Republican Federation&quot; Nicholas
Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years
in prison.

* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard
A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old
girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several
grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he
paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

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#9: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 04:30:54 by Chance Hopkins

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&gt;&gt; On Sat, 28 May 2005 16:46:50 -0700, &quot;John Shocked&quot;
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt;===================================
&gt;&gt; &gt;News Bulletin from www.scifi.com :
&gt;&gt; &gt;<a href="http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html" target="_blank">http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html</a>
&gt;&gt; &gt;==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt;&gt; &gt;Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt;&gt; &gt;Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt;&gt; &gt;created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt;&gt; &gt;bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt;&gt; &gt;The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt;&gt; &gt;themes and issues.
&gt;&gt; No problem with that I'd guess. I've never seen a scifi homo child
&gt;&gt; molester yet.
&gt;&gt; -Rich
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/one.php" target="_blank">http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/one.php</a>
&gt; =============================================
&gt;
&gt; Homosexual Urban Legends -- The Series...
&gt;
&gt; Homosexuals claim that &quot;heterosexuals&quot; molest most children but statistics
&gt; show that homosexuals molest at far higher rates than do heterosexuals.
&lt;snipped hate filled garbage&gt;

Are these guys homosexuals then?


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46 REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILES

* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a
convicted child rapist in Florida.

* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to
molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in
prison.

* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a
10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty
to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to
anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10
years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in
federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to
three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom
Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended
during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after
admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having
an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

* Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex
parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties
at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican Congressman Donald &quot;Buz&quot; Lukens was found guilty of
having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of
child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of
sex crimes involving children.

* Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to
attempted sexual assault on a child.

* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor
working as a congressional page.

* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly
Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

* Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with
a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was
charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for
distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. &quot;Republican Marty&quot;),
was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful
sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the
drug LSD.

* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with
molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having
sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after
the allegations were reported in the media.

* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to
traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a
14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing
his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

* Republican anti-gay activist Earl &quot;Butch&quot; Kimmerling was
sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after
he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts
of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to
two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year
old girl.

* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of
first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

* Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven
felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age
of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged
with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to
molesting a male child.

* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual
assault on a teenage girl.

* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his
two daughters.

* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was
convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded
guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no
contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession
of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months
in federal prison and fined $18,000.

* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state
representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography
was found in his possession.

* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin
Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex
from boys and girls over the internet.

* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a
&quot;good military man&quot; and &quot;church goer,&quot; was convicted of repeatedly
having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for
Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in
the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

* Republican director of the &quot;Young Republican Federation&quot; Nicholas
Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years
in prison.

* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard
A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old
girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several
grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he
paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

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#10: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 04:45:51 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Do not fear the truth. It will free you.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; Yeah, the truth is you are wacked in the head. Realize it now and the
&gt; &gt;&gt; truth, along with some counseling, will set you free.
&gt; &gt; It is the truth. Why do you fear the truth.
&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; Here is some truth. Don't let your kid's parents be republicans, it's not
&gt; good for the kids.
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&gt; 46 REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILES

You are completely wrong if you think I am a Republican or that
opposition to Homosexuality on TV is strictly within the sphere
of Republicanism. Read more of my messages
(based on alt.battlestar-galactica) directly or through Google Groups,
and you will understand more.
Hollywood Homosexuals are general Neo-Conservatives, which
means they are aligned with Republicans on everything except
social agenda items like Homosexuality; and they Hate Arabs/Moslems
and want to Mass Murder them all over the world.

Politics

=======================================
One of the reasons the Hollywood Homosexuals behind
Battlestar Galactica are pushing Sodomy symbolisms
in BSG is because they would desperately like to
reverse some of the following results which they
encountered in all 11 states in the US on November 3
2004 (US election day) which had Ballot Questions
(plebiscital votes by voters in a state controlling
their own state's laws) on the Homosexual Marriage
agenda. So if you are watching your favorite science
fiction show and then you notice something in the
script which does not make sense, it may be that it
was time for Word From BSG's Sponsor, the
Hollywood Homosexuals who are using the script as
their advertisement vehicle.

Homosexuals have had control of Hollywood since
around 1992, when Clinton (and Jerry Brown) ran for
President the first time. Even though they have been
pushing their agenda hard for all these years, they
are yet to win a single statewide vote. Clinton took
homosexual money in 1992 and as soon as he was
inaugurated started to implement policies that he
was bought and paid to implement -- Gays In The
Military, in 1993. This was an intense unpopular
policy initiative, shocked the public, and resulted
in the Democrats losing both Houses of Congress in
1994, and started a series of investigations into
Clinton's personal life, resulting finally in his
Impeachment in 1998. John Kerry (Democrat 2004
Presidential Candidate) again took homosexual money
in the 2004 election year. Democrats do not have
many sources of money, representing the poorer
segments of society. Since Kerry was from the state
of Massachusetts, a state which earlier in 2004
legalized Homosexual Marriage through a corrupt
bribed out Judges judicial decision (not a vote by
its legislature) the onus was on John Kerry to
separate himself from this suicidal issue in a very
very public manner.

However, because Kerry took Hollywood Homosexual
money in the 2004 year and before, he simply was not
able to do that. Thus in a year when Kerry was
running for President against George W. Bush, who
had a terrible record, who had had the Economy
collapse early in his first year (2001) and it
stayed that way till mid 2004, who also failed to
prevent the 9-11 Attacks on the World Trade Center
in 2001, who lied to drag the US into a war against
Iraq, when his allegations that Iraq had Weapons Of
Mass Destruction were false and various other
failures, Kerry still could not win because of the
Homosexual agenda balla and chain around his neck.
Kerry should have won this race 55%-45% if he was
not carrying this Homosexual agenda ball and chain.
And the following votes are an in indication of how
strongly people felt against this homosexual agenda
Kerry was pushing.

Several of these 11 states were Swing States -- they
were close in the previous election and would decide
the election in 2004. Many people went to vote
against the Homosexual Agenda, and voted against
Kerry as an afterthought.

Now Hollywood Homosexuals are wealthy fatcats and,
despite popular misconceptions, are overwhelming
Republican. They do not want Democrats like John
Kerry to win and then raise their taxes. Thus, there
may well be a scam going on here, to buy the
Democrat candidate each year and ask him to support
something the US public despises -- this time it was
Homosexual Marriage. If this buying every 4 years
of the Democrat candidate by Hollywood Homosexual
fatcats continues, it could be an extremely long
time before the Democrats ever come close to taking
back any of the branches of government again.

Here are the results from the 11 States who had the
Homosexual agenda on a ballot question 5 months ago:

=================================

Arkansas Ballot wording: Marriage consists
only of the union of one man and one woman. Legal
status for unmarried persons which is identical or
substantially similar to marital status shall not be
valid or recognized in Arkansas, except that the
legislature may recognize a common law marriage from
another state between a man and a woman. The
legislature has the power to determine the capacity
of persons to marry, subject to this amendment, and
the legal rights, obligations, privileges, and
immunities of marriage.Result: Passed 75% to 25%

Georgia The measure amends the state constitution to
include the following statement: (a) This state
shall recognize as marriage only the union of man
and woman. Marriages between persons of the same sex
are prohibited in this state. (b) No union between
persons of the same sex shall be recognized by this
state as entitled to the benefits of marriage. This
state shall not give effect to any public act,
record, or judicial proceeding of any other state or
jurisdiction respecting a relationship between
persons of the same sex that is treated as a
marriage under the laws of such other state or
jurisdiction. The courts of this state shall have no
jurisdiction to grant a divorce or separate
maintenance with respect to any such relationship or
otherwise to consider or rule on any of the parties'
respective rights arising as a result of or in
connection with such relationship.Result: Passed 77%
to 23%.

Kentucky Only a marriage between one man and one
woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in
Kentucky. A legal status identical or substantially
similar to that of marriage for unmarried
individuals shall not be valid or recognized.Result:
Passed: 75% to 25%.

Michigan The measure amends the state constitution
to include the following statement: To secure and
preserve the benefits of marriage for our society
and for future generations of children, the union of
one man and one woman in marriage shall be the only
agreement recognized as a marriage or similar union
for any purpose.Result: Passed: 59% to 41%.

Mississippi The measure amends the state
constitution to read: Marriage may take place and
may be valid under the laws of this state only
between a man and a woman. A marriage in another
state or foreign jurisdiction between persons of the
same gender, regardless of when the marriage took
place, may not be recognized in this state and is
void and unenforceable under the laws of this
state.Result: Passed: 86% to 14%.

Montana The measure amends the state constitution to
read: Only a marriage between one man and one woman
shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in this
state.Result: Passed: 66% to 34%.

North Dakota The measure amends the state
constitution to include the following statement:
Marriage consists only of the legal union between a
man and a woman. No other domestic union, however
denominated, may be recognized as a marriage or
given the same or substantially equivalent
effect.Result: Passed 73% to 24%.

Ohio The measure amends the state constitution to
include the following statement: Only a union
between one man and one woman may be a marriage
valid in or recognized by this state and its
political subdivisions. This state and its political
subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal
status for relationships of unmarried individuals
that intends to approximate the design, qualities,
significance or effect of marriage.Result: Passed
62% to 38%.

Oklahoma The measure amends the state constitution
to read: A Marriage in this state shall consist only
of the union of one man and one woman. Neither this
Constitution nor any other provision of law shall be
construed to require that marital status or the
legal incidents thereof be conferred upon unmarried
couples or groups. B. A marriage between persons of
the same gender performed in another state shall not
be recognized as valid and binding in this state as
of the date of the marriage. C. Any person knowingly
issuing a marriage license in violation of this
section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.Result:
Passed 76% to 24%.

Oregon The measure would amend the state
constitution to read: It is the policy of Oregon,
and its political subdivisions, that only a marriage
between one man and one woman shall be valid or
legally recognized as a marriage.Result: Passed 57%
to 43%.

Utah The measure amends the state constitution to
read, 1. Marriage consists only of the legal union
between a man and a woman. 2. No other domestic
status or union, however denominated, between
persons is valid or recognized or may be authorized,
sanctioned, or given the same or substantially
equivalent legal effect as a marriage. Results:
Passed 66% to 34%.
==================================

Politics


=======================================
&gt; * Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a
&gt; convicted child rapist in Florida.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to
&gt; molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in
&gt; prison.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a
&gt; 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty
&gt; to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to
&gt; anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10
&gt; years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in
&gt; federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to
&gt; three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom
&gt; Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended
&gt; during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after
&gt; admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having
&gt; an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex
&gt; parties at the White House during the 1980s.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties
&gt; at the White House during the 1980s.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican Congressman Donald &quot;Buz&quot; Lukens was found guilty of
&gt; having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of
&gt; child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of
&gt; sex crimes involving children.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to
&gt; attempted sexual assault on a child.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor
&gt; working as a congressional page.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly
&gt; Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with
&gt; a 16 year old girl when he was 28.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was
&gt; charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for
&gt; distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. &quot;Republican Marty&quot;),
&gt; was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful
&gt; sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the
&gt; drug LSD.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with
&gt; molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having
&gt; sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after
&gt; the allegations were reported in the media.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to
&gt; traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a
&gt; 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing
&gt; his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican anti-gay activist Earl &quot;Butch&quot; Kimmerling was
&gt; sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after
&gt; he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts
&gt; of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to
&gt; two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year
&gt; old girl.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of
&gt; first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven
&gt; felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age
&gt; of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
&gt;
&gt; * Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged
&gt; with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to
&gt; molesting a male child.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual
&gt; assault on a teenage girl.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his
&gt; two daughters.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was
&gt; convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded
&gt; guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no
&gt; contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession
&gt; of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months
&gt; in federal prison and fined $18,000.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state
&gt; representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography
&gt; was found in his possession.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin
&gt; Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex
&gt; from boys and girls over the internet.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a
&gt; &quot;good military man&quot; and &quot;church goer,&quot; was convicted of repeatedly
&gt; having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for
&gt; Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in
&gt; the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican director of the &quot;Young Republican Federation&quot; Nicholas
&gt; Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years
&gt; in prison.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard
&gt; A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old
&gt; girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several
&gt; grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he
&gt; paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.armchairsubversive.com/" target="_blank">http://www.armchairsubversive.com/</a>
&gt;
&gt;

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#11: John... what a maroon! Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel foryour Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 04:48:49 by ToolPackinMama

John Shocked reminds me of the guy in this joke:

Guy walks into a bar with a huge dog-turd in his hand. He shows it to
the bartender and says, &quot;Look at what I nearly stepped in!&quot;

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#12: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 04:53:13 by John Shocked

&quot;Chance Hopkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:chance_hopkins&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">chance_hopkins&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; &quot;RichA&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:none&#64;none.com" target="_blank">none&#64;none.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt;&gt; On Sat, 28 May 2005 16:46:50 -0700, &quot;John Shocked&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;===================================
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;News Bulletin from www.scifi.com :
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<a href="http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html" target="_blank">http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html</a>
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;themes and issues.
&gt; &gt;&gt; No problem with that I'd guess. I've never seen a scifi homo child
&gt; &gt;&gt; molester yet.
&gt; &gt;&gt; -Rich
&gt; &gt; <a href="http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/one.php" target="_blank">http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/one.php</a>
&gt; &gt; =============================================
&gt; &gt; Homosexual Urban Legends -- The Series...
&gt; &gt; Homosexuals claim that &quot;heterosexuals&quot; molest most children but
statistics
&gt; &gt; show that homosexuals molest at far higher rates than do heterosexuals.
&gt; &lt;snipped hate filled garbage&gt;

The truth is not Hate. This is simply a dishonest statement
on your part. You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
More truth about causes of homosexuality coming.

Politics


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<a href="http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html" target="_blank">http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html</a>

What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? By
Paul Cameron, Ph. D. Dr. Cameron is Chariman of the
Family Research Institute of

Colorado Springs, Colorado USA. Click here for more
information about this organization. You may contact him
at: Family Research Institute, PO Box 62640, Colorado
Springs, CO 80962 USA. Phone number: (303) 681-3113. (No
e-mail address.)

Most of us fail to understand why anyone would want to
engage in homosexual activity. To the average person, the
very idea is either puzzling or repugnant. Indeed, a
recent survey (1) indicated that only 14% of men and 10%
of women imagined that such behavior could hold any
&quot;possibility of enjoyment.&quot;

The peculiar nature of homosexual desire has led some
people to conclude that this urge must be innate: that a
certain number of people are &quot;born that way,&quot; that sexual
preferences cannot be changed or even ended. What does
the best research really indicate? Are homosexual
proclivities natural or irresistible?

At least three answers seem possible. The first, the
answer of tradition, is as follows: homosexual behavior
is a bad habit that people fall into because they are
sexually permissive and experimental. This view holds rat
homosexuals choose their lifestyle as the result of self-
indulgence and an unwillingness to play by society rules.
The second position is held by a number of psychoanalysts
(e.g., Bieber, Socarides). According to them, homosexual
behavior is a mental illness, symptomatic of arrested
development. They believe that homosexuals have unnatural
or perverse desires as a consequence of poor familial
relations in childhood or some other trauma. The third
view is &quot;biological&quot; and holds that such desires are
genetic or hormonal in origin, and that there is no
choice involved and no &quot;childhood trauma&quot; necessary.

Which of these views is most consistent with the facts?
Which tells us the most about homosexual behavior and its
origins? The answer seems to be that homosexual behavior
is learned. The following seven lines of evidence support
such a conclusion.

1) No researcher has found provable biological or genitic
differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals that
weren't caused by their behavior

Occasionally you may read about a scientific study that
suggests that homosexuality is an inherited tendency, but
such studies have usually been discounted after careful
scrutiny or attempts at replication. No one has found a
single heredible genetic, hormonal or physical difference
between heterosexuals and homosexuals - at least none
that is replicable. (9, 12) While the absence of such a
discovery doesn't prove at inherited sexual tendencies
aren't possible, it suggests that none has been found
because none exists.

2) People tend to believe that their sexual desires and
behaviors are learned

Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain
the origins of their desires and behaviors - how they
&quot;got that way.&quot; The first of these studies was conducted
by Kinsey in the 1940s and involved 1700 homosexuals. The
second, in 1970, (4) involved 979 homosexuals. Both were
conducted prior to the period when the &quot;gay rights&quot;
movement started to politicize the issue of homosexual
origins. Both reported essentially the same findings:
Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and
behavior were the result of social or environmental
influences. In a 1983 study conducted by the Family
Research Institute (5) (FRI) involving a random sample of
147 homosexuals, 35% said their sexual desires were
hereditary. Interestingly, almost 80% of the 3,400
heterosexuals in the same study said that their
preferences and behavior were learned (see Table 1
below). Table 1 Reasons For Preferring: homosexuality
(1940s and 1970) early homosexual experience(s) with
adults and/or peers - 22% homosexual friends/ around
homosexuals a lot - 16% poor relationship with mother -
15% unusual development (was a sissy, artistic, couldn't
get along with own sex, tom-boy, et cetera) - 15% poor
relationship with father - 14% heterosexual partners
unavailable - 12% social ineptitude - 9% born that way -
9% heterosexuality (1983) I was around heterosexuals a
lot - 39% society teaches heterosexuality and I responded
- 34% born that way - 22% my parents, marriage was so
good I wanted to have what they had - 21% I tried it and
liked it - 12% childhood heterosexual experiences with
peers it was the ''in thing&quot; in my crowd - 9% I was
seduced by a heterosexual adult - 5% While these results
aren't conclusive, they tell something about the very
recent tendency to believe that homosexual behavior is
inherited or biologic. From the 1930s (when Kinsey
started collecting data) to the early 1970s, before a
&quot;politically correct&quot; answer emerged, only about 10% of
homosexuals claimed they were &quot;born that way.&quot;
Heterosexuals apparently continue to believe that their
behavior is primarily a result of social conditioning.

3) Older homosexuals often approach the young

There is evidence that homosexuality, like drug use is
&quot;handed down&quot; from older individuals. The first
homosexual encounter is usually initiated by an older
person. In separate studies 60%, (6) 64%, (3) and 61%
(10) of the respondents claimed that their first partner
was someone older who initiated the sexual experience.
How this happens is suggested by a nationwide random
study from Britain: (17) 35% of boys and 9% of girl said
they were approached for sex by adult homosexuals.
Whether for attention, curiosity, or by force, 2% of the
boys and 1% of the girls succumbed. In the US, (1) 37% of
males and 9% of females reported having been approached
for homosexual sex (65% of those doing the inviting were
older). Likewise, a study of over 400 London teenagers
reported that &quot;for the boys, their first homosexual
experience was very likely with someone older: half the
boys' first partner were 20 or older; for girls it was 43
percent.&quot; (13) A quarter of homosexuals have admitted to
sex with children and underaged teens, (6,5,8) suggesting
the homosexuality is introduced to youngsters the same
way other behaviors are learned - by experience.

4) Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns
of behavior

In the 1980s, scholars (12) examined the early Kinsey
data to determine whether or not childhood sexual
experiences predicted adult behavior. The results were
significant: Homosexual experience in the early year,
particularly if it was one's first sexual experience -
was a strong predictor of adult homosexual behavior, both
for males and females. A similar pattern appeared in the
1970 Kinsey Institute (4) study: there was a strong
relationship between those whose first experience was
homosexual and those who practiced homosexuality in later
life. In the FRI study (5) two-thirds of the boys whose
first experience was homosexual engaged in homosexual
behavior as adults; 95% of those whose first experience
was heterosexual were likewise heterosexual in their
adult behavior. A similarly progressive pattern of sexual
behavior was reported for females. It is remarkable that
the three largest empirical studies of the question
showed essentially the same pattern. A child's first
sexual experiences were strongly associated with his or
her adult behavior.

5) Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors -
especially religious convictions

Kinsey reported &quot;less homosexual activity among devout
groups whether they be Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish,
and more homosexual activity among religiously less
active groups.&quot; (2) The 1983 FRI study found those raised
in irreligious homes to be over 4 times more likely to
become homosexual than those from devout homes . These
studies suggest that when people believe strongly that
homosexual behavior is immoral, they are significantly
less apt to be involved in such activity. Recently,
because of the AIDS epidemic, it has been discovered
that, relative to white males, twice as many black males
are homosexual (14) and 4 times as many are bisexual.
Perhaps it is related to the fact that 62% of black
versus 17% of white children are being raised in
fatherless homes. But even the worst racist wouldn't
suggest that it is due to genetic predisposition. Were
homosexual impulses truly inherited, we should be unable
to find differences in homosexual practice due to
religious upbringing or racial sub-culture.

6) Many change their sexual preferences

In a large random sample (5) 88% of women currently
claiming lesbian attraction and 73% of men claiming to
currently enjoy homosexual sex, said that they had been
sexually aroused by the opposite sex, 85% of these
&quot;lesbians&quot; and 54% of these &quot;homosexuals&quot; reported sexual
relations with someone of the opposite sex in adulthood,
67% of lesbians and 54% of homosexuals reported current
sexual attraction to the opposite sex, and 82% of
lesbians and 66% of homosexuals reported having been in
love with a member of the opposite sex. Homosexuals
experiment. They feel some normal impulses. Most have
been sexually aroused by, had sexual relations with, and
even fallen in love with someone of the opposite sex.
Nationwide random samples (11) of 904 men were asked
about their sex lives since age 21, and more
specifically, in the last year. As the figure reveals,
1.3% reported sex with men in the past year and 5.2% at
some time in adulthood. Less than 1% of men had only had
sex with men during their lives. And 6 of every 7 who had
had sex with men, also reported sex with women. It's a
much different story with inherited characteristics. Race
and gender are not optional lifestyles. They remain
immutable. The switching and experimentation demonstrated
in these two studies identifies homosexuality as a
preference, not an inevitability.

7) There are many ex-homosexuals

Many engage in one or two homosexual experiences and
never do it again- a pattern reported for a third of the
males with homosexual experience in one study. (1) And
then there are ex- homosexuals - those who have continued
in homosexual liaisons for a number of years and then
chose to change not only their habits, but also the
object of their desire. Sometimes this alteration occurs
as the result of psychotherapy; (10) in others it is
prompted by a religious or spiritual conversion. (18)
Similar to the kinds of &quot;cures&quot; achieved by drug addicts
and alcoholics, these treatments do not always remove
homosexual desire or temptation. Whatever the mechanism,
in a 1984 study (5) almost 2% of heterosexuals reported
that at one time they considered themselves to be
homosexual. It is clear that a substantial number of
people are reconsidering their sexual preferences at any
given time.

What causes homosexual desire?

If homosexual impulses are not inherited, what kinds of
influences do cause strong homosexual desires? No one
answer is acceptable to all researchers in the field.
Important factors, however, seem to fall into four
categories. As with so many other odd sexual
proclivities, males appear especially susceptible: 1.
Homosexual experience:

any homosexual experience in childhood, especially if it
is a first sexual experience or with an adult any
homosexual contact with an adult, particularly with a
relative or authority figure (in a random survey, 5% of
adult homosexuals vs 0.8% of heterosexuals reported
childhood sexual involvements with elementary or
secondary school teachers (5). 2. Family abnormality,
including the following:

a dominant, possessive, or rejecting mother an absent,
distant, or rejecting father a parent with homosexual
proclivities, particularly one who molests a child of the
same sex a sibling with homosexual tendencies,
particularly one who molests a brother or sister the lack
of a religious home environment divorce, which often
leads to sexual problems for both the children and the
adults parents who model unconventional sex roles
condoning homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle-
welcoming homosexuals (e.g., co-workers, friends) into
the family circle 3. Unusual sexual experience,
particularly in early childhood:

precocious or excessive masturbation exposure to
pornography in childhood depersonalized sex (e.g., group
sex, sex with animals) or girls, sexual interaction with
adult males 4. Cultural influences: a visible and
socially approved homosexual sub-culture that invites
curiosity and encourages exploration pro-homosexual sex
education openly homosexual authority figures, such as
teachers (4% of Kinsey's and 4% of FRI's gays reported
that their first homosexual experience was with a
teacher) societal and legal toleration of homosexual acts
depictions of homosexuality as normal and/or desirable
behavior

Can homosexuality be changed?

Certainly. As noted above, many people have turned away
from homosexuality - almost as many people call
themselves &quot;gay.&quot; Clearly the easier problem to eliminate
is homosexual behavior. Just as many heterosexuals
control their desires to engage in premarital or
extramarital sex, so some with homosexual desires
discipline themselves to abstain from homosexual contact.
One thing seems to stand out: Associations are all-
important. Anyone who wants to abstain from homosexual
behavior should avoid the company of practicing
homosexuals. There are organizations including &quot;ex-gay
ministries, &quot; (18) designed to help those who wish to
reform their conduct. Psychotherapy claims about a 30%
cure rate, and religious commitment seems to be the most
helpful factor in avoiding homosexual habits.


===============================================
&gt; Are these guys homosexuals then?
&gt; <a href="http://www.armchairsubversive.com/" target="_blank">http://www.armchairsubversive.com/</a>
&gt;
&gt; 46 REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILES
&gt;
&gt; * Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a
&gt; convicted child rapist in Florida.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to
&gt; molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in
&gt; prison.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a
&gt; 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty
&gt; to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to
&gt; anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10
&gt; years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in
&gt; federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to
&gt; three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom
&gt; Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended
&gt; during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after
&gt; admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having
&gt; an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex
&gt; parties at the White House during the 1980s.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties
&gt; at the White House during the 1980s.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican Congressman Donald &quot;Buz&quot; Lukens was found guilty of
&gt; having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of
&gt; child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of
&gt; sex crimes involving children.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to
&gt; attempted sexual assault on a child.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor
&gt; working as a congressional page.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly
&gt; Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with
&gt; a 16 year old girl when he was 28.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was
&gt; charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for
&gt; distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. &quot;Republican Marty&quot;),
&gt; was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful
&gt; sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the
&gt; drug LSD.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with
&gt; molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having
&gt; sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after
&gt; the allegations were reported in the media.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to
&gt; traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a
&gt; 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing
&gt; his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican anti-gay activist Earl &quot;Butch&quot; Kimmerling was
&gt; sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after
&gt; he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts
&gt; of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to
&gt; two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year
&gt; old girl.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of
&gt; first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven
&gt; felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age
&gt; of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
&gt;
&gt; * Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged
&gt; with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to
&gt; molesting a male child.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual
&gt; assault on a teenage girl.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his
&gt; two daughters.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was
&gt; convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded
&gt; guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no
&gt; contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession
&gt; of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months
&gt; in federal prison and fined $18,000.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state
&gt; representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography
&gt; was found in his possession.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin
&gt; Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex
&gt; from boys and girls over the internet.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a
&gt; &quot;good military man&quot; and &quot;church goer,&quot; was convicted of repeatedly
&gt; having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for
&gt; Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in
&gt; the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican director of the &quot;Young Republican Federation&quot; Nicholas
&gt; Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years
&gt; in prison.
&gt;
&gt; * Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard
&gt; A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old
&gt; girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several
&gt; grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he
&gt; paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.armchairsubversive.com/" target="_blank">http://www.armchairsubversive.com/</a>
&gt;
&gt;

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#13: Re: John... what a maroon! Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 05:57:52 by John Shocked

&quot;ToolPackinMama&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:laura&#64;lauragoodwin.org" target="_blank">laura&#64;lauragoodwin.org</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; John Shocked reminds me of the guy in this joke:
&gt; Guy walks into a bar with a huge dog-turd in his hand. He shows it to
&gt; the bartender and says, &quot;Look at what I nearly stepped in!&quot;

Sounds like this guy is talking about the homosexual behavior of
'fisting', applied to a canine. Apparently this sort of thing passes
for good humor in his circles.

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#14: Re: John... what a maroon! Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 05:58:10 by Kweeg

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&gt; John Shocked reminds me of the guy in this joke:
&gt;
&gt; Guy walks into a bar with a huge dog-turd in his hand. He shows it to
&gt; the bartender and says, &quot;Look at what I nearly stepped in!&quot;


LMFAO!!!

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#15: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 05:58:16 by unknown

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#16: John Shocked... what a TOTAL maroon!

Posted on 2005-05-29 06:07:17 by ToolPackinMama

John Shocked wrote:

&gt; &quot;ToolPackinMama&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:laura&#64;lauragoodwin.org" target="_blank">laura&#64;lauragoodwin.org</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt;&gt;John Shocked reminds me of the guy in this joke:
&gt;&gt;Guy walks into a bar with a huge dog-turd in his hand. He shows it to
&gt;&gt;the bartender and says, &quot;Look at what I nearly stepped in!&quot;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Sounds like this guy is talking about the homosexual behavior of
&gt; 'fisting', applied to a canine. Apparently this sort of thing passes
&gt; for good humor in his circles.

John... look at yourself. You totally failed to get a SIMPLE joke in
front of ~everybody~.

You are probably the only man on the whole internet who doesn't get that
joke.

Go eat your modem and whip yourself. Honestly, you are hopeless.

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#17: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 06:10:52 by ToolPackinMama

No_One wrote:

&gt; John Shocked.
&gt;
&gt; In the post below, you are not discussing ANYTHING to do with SciFi
&gt; Channel, Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, or even television. Reread
&gt; your post if you missed this fact. Look for any reference to SciFi
&gt; Channel, Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, or even television. There
&gt; are none. Your post is nothing more than a (poorly spell checked)
&gt; anti-homo rant that has nothing to do with science fiction or
&gt; television whatsoever.

I concur.

Everybody: please complain to John's ISP about his abusive misuse of
these NGs.

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#18: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 07:12:59 by John Shocked

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&gt; John Shocked.
&gt;
&gt; In the post below, you are not discussing ANYTHING to do with SciFi
&gt; Channel, Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, or even television. Reread
&gt; your post if you missed this fact. Look for any reference to SciFi
&gt; Channel, Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, or even television. There
&gt; are none. Your post is nothing more than a (poorly spell checked)
&gt; anti-homo rant that has nothing to do with science fiction or
&gt; television whatsoever.

Wrong. My posts are clearly On Topic and deal with a political
agenda on tghe part of Hollywood Homosexuals to affect the
opinion and behavior of unsuspecting viewers.
Here is more information on how the BSG symbolisms affect the
behavior of heterosexual unsuspecting viewers who watch the series:


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<a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/subliminal-message" target="_blank">http://www.answers.com/topic/subliminal-message</a>

Subliminal Message

A subliminal message is a signal or message designed to
pass below (sub) the normal limits of perception. For
example it might be inaudible to the conscious mind (but
audible to the unconscious or deeper mind) or might be
an image transmitted briefly and unperceived consciously
and yet perceived unconsciously. This definition assumes
a division between conscious and unconscious which may
be misleading; it may be better to say that the
subliminal message (sound or image) is perceived by
deeper parts of what is a single integrated mind.

In the everyday world, many have claimed that subliminal
techniques are used in advertising and for propaganda
purposes but officially it is denied. In Russia,
however, there have been reports of subliminal messages.
For example, Pravda has had stories about the discovery
of subliminal messages in advertising from the West.

Origin of the Term

The term subliminal message was popularized in a 1957
book entitled The Hidden Persuaders by Vance Packard.
This book detailed a study of movie theaters that
supposedly used subliminal commands to increase the
sales of popcorn and Coca-Cola at their concession
stands. However, James Vicary (the author of the study)
later admitted the study was fabricated.

In 1973 Wilson Bryan Key's book Subliminal Seduction
claimed that subliminal techniques were in wide use in
advertising. The book contributed to a general climate
of fear with regard to Orwellian dangers (of subliminal
messaging). Public concern was enough to lead the
Federal Communications Commission to hold hearings and
to declare subliminal advertising &quot;contrary to the
public interest&quot; because it involved &quot;intentional
deception&quot; of the public.

Validity

In spite of the popular belief that subliminal messages
are widely used to influence audiences, there is little
evidence that the technique has ever been used on a mass
audience (other than its occasional use by artists who
use it to make an artistic statement). There is no
evidence that subliminal messages have any effect at all
on a viewer or listener, and the current consensus among
marketing professionals is that subliminal advertising
is ineffective and can be counter-productive. The theory
underlying subliminal messages is often considered to be
pseudoscience. However, the concept of subliminal
messages is very popular among conspiracy theorists, and
most people in media-saturated areas (such as the United
States) are familiar with the term.

A number of fringe elements in society have made
occasional claims that subliminal messages can be found
in various forms of popular entertainment. Popular
claims of subliminal commands include the supposed use
of &quot;backward messages&quot; in rock and roll songs.
Conservative activist Donald Wildmon has claimed that
The Walt Disney Company inserted the subliminal command
&quot;SEX&quot; into the animated film The Lion King (see that
article for more information on this). Mainstream
authorities have generally ignored these claims due to
the dubious reputations of their authors.

Discussion

Subliminal perception or cognition, if it exists, can be
considered a subset of unconscious cognition where the
forms of unconscious cognition also include attending to
one signal in a noisy environment while unconsciously
keeping track of other signals (e.g. one voice out of
many in a crowded room) and tasks done automatically
(e.g. driving a car).

An important question about subliminal perception is:
How much of the unattended or unconscious signal or
message is perceived? That is, is the whole message
sensed and fully digested or perhaps only its main and
simpler features? There are at least two schools of
thought about this. One of them argues that only the
simpler features of unconscious signals could be
perceived. The second school of thought argues that
unconscious cognition is comprehensive and that much
more is perceived than can be verbalized.

Various types of studies of subliminal perception have
been conducted. A related field is the question of
whether anaesthetized patients are completely unaware
whilst apparently completely asleep/unconscious.

Proponents of the power of subliminal messages claim
they gain influence or power from the fact that they
circumvent the critical functions of the conscious mind,
and therefore subliminal suggestions are potentially
more powerful than ordinary suggestions. This route to
influence or persuasion would be akin to auto-suggestion
or hypnosis wherein the subject is encouraged to be (or
somehow induced to be) relaxed so that suggestions are
directed to deeper (more gullible) parts of the mind;
some observers have argued that the unconscious mind is
incapable of critical refusal of hypnotic or subliminal
suggestions.

However, research findings do not support the conclusion
that subliminal suggestions are peculiarly powerful, or
even have any effect at all.

Subliminal Messages in Advertising

A form of subliminal messaging commonly believed to
exist involves the insertion of &quot;hidden&quot; messages into
movies and TV programs. The concept of &quot;moving pictures&quot;
relies on persistence of vision to create the illusion
of movement in a series of images projected at 23 to 50
frames per second; the popular theory of subliminal
messages usually suggests that subliminal commands can
be inserted into this sequence at the rate of perhaps 1
frame in 25 (or roughly 1 frame per second, with a
duration of about 1/25 of 1 second). The hidden command
in a single frame will flash across the screen so
quickly that it is not consciously perceived, but the
command will supposedly appeal to the subconscious mind
of the viewer, and thus have some measurable effect in
terms of behavior.

Another &quot;subliminal&quot; message technique is supposedly to
embed into a printed advertisement certain messages or
symbols which are subtle and perceived only by the
unconscious mind, either to communicate a message or to
increase the attention paid to the printed ad. This
technique, as with subliminal TV advertising, is not
generally regarded as effective.

As to the question of whether subliminal messages are
widely used to influence groups of people e.g.
audiences, there is no evidence to suggest that any
serious or sustained attempt has been made to use the
technology on a mass audience. The widespread reports
that arose in 1957 to the effect that customers in a
movie theatre in New Jersey had been induced by
subliminal messages to consume more popcorn and more
Coca-Cola were almost certainly false. The current
consensus among marketing professionals is that
subliminal advertising is counter-productive. To some
this is because they believe it to be ineffective, but
to most it is because they realise it would be a public
relations disaster if its use were discovered. Many have
misgivings about using it in marketing campaigns due to
ethical considerations.

During the 2000 U.S. presidential campaign, a television
ad campaigning for Republican candidate George W. Bush
showed words (and parts thereof) scaling from the
foreground to the background on a television screen.
When the word BUREAUCRATS flashed on the screen, one
frame showed only the last part, RATS. Democrats
promptly asked the FCC to look into the matter, but no
penalties were ever assessed in the case. The effect
this had on the overall presidential race was unclear;
the Democrats and Al Gore received ridicule for finding
malicious intent in something that could have been a
simple mistake; the Republicans received ridicule for
the lack of attention to detail and Bush's
mispronunciation of &quot;subliminal&quot; (it came out as
&quot;subliminable&quot;). (It bears mentioning that the
&quot;subliminal message&quot; is easily viewable when the ad is
played at regular speed. If the message were truly
subliminal, that would not be the case.)

The most common ways of making one of these messages are
playing a string of images each lasting 1/3000th of a
second, words scrolling across a screen just fast enough
so the viewer can only pick out one at a time, and using
pictures to provoke the primal instincts in the viewer.
Primal insticts are those instincts that command killing
or sexually reproducing. The 4 most used words to invoke
these insticts are: SEX, F***, KILL, and DIE.

Works cited: www.ebaumsworld.com &quot;urban legends&quot;. found
in the animation section.

See also advertising marketing promotion backmasking

Quotations

&quot;Over the years there have been literally hundreds of
studies&quot;...&quot;these studies show that considerable
information capable of informing decisions and guiding
actions is perceived even when observers do not
experience any awareness of perceiving&quot;. Philip Merikle,
Department of Psychology, University of Waterloo.

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&gt;
&gt; Therefore, I have been forced to reported this post to your ISP five
&gt; times as off-topic, once for each of the following groups you
&gt; incorrectly posted it to: alt.battlestar-galactica, rec.arts.sf.tv,
&gt; alt.startrek, alt.tv.scifi.channel, and rec.arts.tv. General
&gt; discussions of homosexuality and its causes are OFF TOPIC in these
&gt; groups for what should be obvious reasons. Off topic posts are
&gt; forbidden by the Cox.net User Agreement, and you endanger your access
&gt; by persisting in posting off-topic messages on a daily basis.
&gt;
&gt; You obviously are not intelligent enough (or medicated enough) to
&gt; understand why generic posts about the roots of homosexuality is
&gt; off-topic in these groups. Rest assured that your ISP does indeed
&gt; know, and that they agree that your post does not belong in these
&gt; newsgroups, and that's really all that matters here.
&gt;
&gt; In the future, you should post your GENERAL discussions of
&gt; homosexuality only in newsgroups that are dedicated to general
&gt; discussions of homosexuality. Every time you post off-topic, you will
&gt; be reported again to Cox.net Customer Service.
&gt;
&gt; Hope this helps!
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; On Sat, 28 May 2005 19:53:13 -0700, &quot;John Shocked&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;The truth is not Hate. This is simply a dishonest statement
&gt; &gt;on your part. You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt;disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt;More truth about causes of homosexuality coming.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Politics
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;=======================================
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;<a href="http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html" target="_blank">http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html</a>
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? By
&gt; &gt;Paul Cameron, Ph. D. Dr. Cameron is Chariman of the
&gt; &gt;Family Research Institute of
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Colorado Springs, Colorado USA. Click here for more
&gt; &gt; information about this organization. You may contact him
&gt; &gt; at: Family Research Institute, PO Box 62640, Colorado
&gt; &gt; Springs, CO 80962 USA. Phone number: (303) 681-3113. (No
&gt; &gt; e-mail address.)
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Most of us fail to understand why anyone would want to
&gt; &gt;engage in homosexual activity. To the average person, the
&gt; &gt;very idea is either puzzling or repugnant. Indeed, a
&gt; &gt;recent survey (1) indicated that only 14% of men and 10%
&gt; &gt;of women imagined that such behavior could hold any
&gt; &gt;&quot;possibility of enjoyment.&quot;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;The peculiar nature of homosexual desire has led some
&gt; &gt;people to conclude that this urge must be innate: that a
&gt; &gt;certain number of people are &quot;born that way,&quot; that sexual
&gt; &gt;preferences cannot be changed or even ended. What does
&gt; &gt;the best research really indicate? Are homosexual
&gt; &gt;proclivities natural or irresistible?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;At least three answers seem possible. The first, the
&gt; &gt;answer of tradition, is as follows: homosexual behavior
&gt; &gt;is a bad habit that people fall into because they are
&gt; &gt;sexually permissive and experimental. This view holds rat
&gt; &gt;homosexuals choose their lifestyle as the result of self-
&gt; &gt;indulgence and an unwillingness to play by society rules.
&gt; &gt;The second position is held by a number of psychoanalysts
&gt; &gt;(e.g., Bieber, Socarides). According to them, homosexual
&gt; &gt;behavior is a mental illness, symptomatic of arrested
&gt; &gt;development. They believe that homosexuals have unnatural
&gt; &gt;or perverse desires as a consequence of poor familial
&gt; &gt;relations in childhood or some other trauma. The third
&gt; &gt;view is &quot;biological&quot; and holds that such desires are
&gt; &gt;genetic or hormonal in origin, and that there is no
&gt; &gt;choice involved and no &quot;childhood trauma&quot; necessary.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Which of these views is most consistent with the facts?
&gt; &gt;Which tells us the most about homosexual behavior and its
&gt; &gt;origins? The answer seems to be that homosexual behavior
&gt; &gt;is learned. The following seven lines of evidence support
&gt; &gt;such a conclusion.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;1) No researcher has found provable biological or genitic
&gt; &gt;differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals that
&gt; &gt;weren't caused by their behavior
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Occasionally you may read about a scientific study that
&gt; &gt;suggests that homosexuality is an inherited tendency, but
&gt; &gt;such studies have usually been discounted after careful
&gt; &gt;scrutiny or attempts at replication. No one has found a
&gt; &gt;single heredible genetic, hormonal or physical difference
&gt; &gt;between heterosexuals and homosexuals - at least none
&gt; &gt;that is replicable. (9, 12) While the absence of such a
&gt; &gt;discovery doesn't prove at inherited sexual tendencies
&gt; &gt;aren't possible, it suggests that none has been found
&gt; &gt;because none exists.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;2) People tend to believe that their sexual desires and
&gt; &gt;behaviors are learned
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain
&gt; &gt;the origins of their desires and behaviors - how they
&gt; &gt;&quot;got that way.&quot; The first of these studies was conducted
&gt; &gt;by Kinsey in the 1940s and involved 1700 homosexuals. The
&gt; &gt;second, in 1970, (4) involved 979 homosexuals. Both were
&gt; &gt;conducted prior to the period when the &quot;gay rights&quot;
&gt; &gt;movement started to politicize the issue of homosexual
&gt; &gt;origins. Both reported essentially the same findings:
&gt; &gt;Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and
&gt; &gt;behavior were the result of social or environmental
&gt; &gt;influences. In a 1983 study conducted by the Family
&gt; &gt;Research Institute (5) (FRI) involving a random sample of
&gt; &gt;147 homosexuals, 35% said their sexual desires were
&gt; &gt;hereditary. Interestingly, almost 80% of the 3,400
&gt; &gt;heterosexuals in the same study said that their
&gt; &gt;preferences and behavior were learned (see Table 1
&gt; &gt;below). Table 1 Reasons For Preferring: homosexuality
&gt; &gt;(1940s and 1970) early homosexual experience(s) with
&gt; &gt;adults and/or peers - 22% homosexual friends/ around
&gt; &gt;homosexuals a lot - 16% poor relationship with mother -
&gt; &gt;15% unusual development (was a sissy, artistic, couldn't
&gt; &gt;get along with own sex, tom-boy, et cetera) - 15% poor
&gt; &gt;relationship with father - 14% heterosexual partners
&gt; &gt;unavailable - 12% social ineptitude - 9% born that way -
&gt; &gt;9% heterosexuality (1983) I was around heterosexuals a
&gt; &gt;lot - 39% society teaches heterosexuality and I responded
&gt; &gt;- 34% born that way - 22% my parents, marriage was so
&gt; &gt;good I wanted to have what they had - 21% I tried it and
&gt; &gt;liked it - 12% childhood heterosexual experiences with
&gt; &gt;peers it was the ''in thing&quot; in my crowd - 9% I was
&gt; &gt;seduced by a heterosexual adult - 5% While these results
&gt; &gt;aren't conclusive, they tell something about the very
&gt; &gt;recent tendency to believe that homosexual behavior is
&gt; &gt;inherited or biologic. From the 1930s (when Kinsey
&gt; &gt;started collecting data) to the early 1970s, before a
&gt; &gt;&quot;politically correct&quot; answer emerged, only about 10% of
&gt; &gt;homosexuals claimed they were &quot;born that way.&quot;
&gt; &gt;Heterosexuals apparently continue to believe that their
&gt; &gt;behavior is primarily a result of social conditioning.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;3) Older homosexuals often approach the young
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;There is evidence that homosexuality, like drug use is
&gt; &gt;&quot;handed down&quot; from older individuals. The first
&gt; &gt;homosexual encounter is usually initiated by an older
&gt; &gt;person. In separate studies 60%, (6) 64%, (3) and 61%
&gt; &gt;(10) of the respondents claimed that their first partner
&gt; &gt;was someone older who initiated the sexual experience.
&gt; &gt;How this happens is suggested by a nationwide random
&gt; &gt;study from Britain: (17) 35% of boys and 9% of girl said
&gt; &gt;they were approached for sex by adult homosexuals.
&gt; &gt;Whether for attention, curiosity, or by force, 2% of the
&gt; &gt;boys and 1% of the girls succumbed. In the US, (1) 37% of
&gt; &gt;males and 9% of females reported having been approached
&gt; &gt;for homosexual sex (65% of those doing the inviting were
&gt; &gt;older). Likewise, a study of over 400 London teenagers
&gt; &gt;reported that &quot;for the boys, their first homosexual
&gt; &gt;experience was very likely with someone older: half the
&gt; &gt;boys' first partner were 20 or older; for girls it was 43
&gt; &gt;percent.&quot; (13) A quarter of homosexuals have admitted to
&gt; &gt;sex with children and underaged teens, (6,5,8) suggesting
&gt; &gt;the homosexuality is introduced to youngsters the same
&gt; &gt;way other behaviors are learned - by experience.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;4) Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns
&gt; &gt;of behavior
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;In the 1980s, scholars (12) examined the early Kinsey
&gt; &gt;data to determine whether or not childhood sexual
&gt; &gt;experiences predicted adult behavior. The results were
&gt; &gt;significant: Homosexual experience in the early year,
&gt; &gt;particularly if it was one's first sexual experience -
&gt; &gt;was a strong predictor of adult homosexual behavior, both
&gt; &gt;for males and females. A similar pattern appeared in the
&gt; &gt;1970 Kinsey Institute (4) study: there was a strong
&gt; &gt;relationship between those whose first experience was
&gt; &gt;homosexual and those who practiced homosexuality in later
&gt; &gt;life. In the FRI study (5) two-thirds of the boys whose
&gt; &gt;first experience was homosexual engaged in homosexual
&gt; &gt;behavior as adults; 95% of those whose first experience
&gt; &gt;was heterosexual were likewise heterosexual in their
&gt; &gt;adult behavior. A similarly progressive pattern of sexual
&gt; &gt;behavior was reported for females. It is remarkable that
&gt; &gt;the three largest empirical studies of the question
&gt; &gt;showed essentially the same pattern. A child's first
&gt; &gt;sexual experiences were strongly associated with his or
&gt; &gt;her adult behavior.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;5) Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors -
&gt; &gt;especially religious convictions
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Kinsey reported &quot;less homosexual activity among devout
&gt; &gt;groups whether they be Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish,
&gt; &gt;and more homosexual activity among religiously less
&gt; &gt;active groups.&quot; (2) The 1983 FRI study found those raised
&gt; &gt;in irreligious homes to be over 4 times more likely to
&gt; &gt;become homosexual than those from devout homes . These
&gt; &gt;studies suggest that when people believe strongly that
&gt; &gt;homosexual behavior is immoral, they are significantly
&gt; &gt;less apt to be involved in such activity. Recently,
&gt; &gt;because of the AIDS epidemic, it has been discovered
&gt; &gt;that, relative to white males, twice as many black males
&gt; &gt;are homosexual (14) and 4 times as many are bisexual.
&gt; &gt;Perhaps it is related to the fact that 62% of black
&gt; &gt;versus 17% of white children are being raised in
&gt; &gt;fatherless homes. But even the worst racist wouldn't
&gt; &gt;suggest that it is due to genetic predisposition. Were
&gt; &gt;homosexual impulses truly inherited, we should be unable
&gt; &gt;to find differences in homosexual practice due to
&gt; &gt;religious upbringing or racial sub-culture.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;6) Many change their sexual preferences
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;In a large random sample (5) 88% of women currently
&gt; &gt;claiming lesbian attraction and 73% of men claiming to
&gt; &gt;currently enjoy homosexual sex, said that they had been
&gt; &gt;sexually aroused by the opposite sex, 85% of these
&gt; &gt;&quot;lesbians&quot; and 54% of these &quot;homosexuals&quot; reported sexual
&gt; &gt;relations with someone of the opposite sex in adulthood,
&gt; &gt;67% of lesbians and 54% of homosexuals reported current
&gt; &gt;sexual attraction to the opposite sex, and 82% of
&gt; &gt;lesbians and 66% of homosexuals reported having been in
&gt; &gt;love with a member of the opposite sex. Homosexuals
&gt; &gt;experiment. They feel some normal impulses. Most have
&gt; &gt;been sexually aroused by, had sexual relations with, and
&gt; &gt;even fallen in love with someone of the opposite sex.
&gt; &gt;Nationwide random samples (11) of 904 men were asked
&gt; &gt;about their sex lives since age 21, and more
&gt; &gt;specifically, in the last year. As the figure reveals,
&gt; &gt;1.3% reported sex with men in the past year and 5.2% at
&gt; &gt;some time in adulthood. Less than 1% of men had only had
&gt; &gt;sex with men during their lives. And 6 of every 7 who had
&gt; &gt;had sex with men, also reported sex with women. It's a
&gt; &gt;much different story with inherited characteristics. Race
&gt; &gt;and gender are not optional lifestyles. They remain
&gt; &gt;immutable. The switching and experimentation demonstrated
&gt; &gt;in these two studies identifies homosexuality as a
&gt; &gt;preference, not an inevitability.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;7) There are many ex-homosexuals
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Many engage in one or two homosexual experiences and
&gt; &gt;never do it again- a pattern reported for a third of the
&gt; &gt;males with homosexual experience in one study. (1) And
&gt; &gt;then there are ex- homosexuals - those who have continued
&gt; &gt;in homosexual liaisons for a number of years and then
&gt; &gt;chose to change not only their habits, but also the
&gt; &gt;object of their desire. Sometimes this alteration occurs
&gt; &gt;as the result of psychotherapy; (10) in others it is
&gt; &gt;prompted by a religious or spiritual conversion. (18)
&gt; &gt;Similar to the kinds of &quot;cures&quot; achieved by drug addicts
&gt; &gt;and alcoholics, these treatments do not always remove
&gt; &gt;homosexual desire or temptation. Whatever the mechanism,
&gt; &gt;in a 1984 study (5) almost 2% of heterosexuals reported
&gt; &gt;that at one time they considered themselves to be
&gt; &gt;homosexual. It is clear that a substantial number of
&gt; &gt;people are reconsidering their sexual preferences at any
&gt; &gt;given time.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;What causes homosexual desire?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;If homosexual impulses are not inherited, what kinds of
&gt; &gt;influences do cause strong homosexual desires? No one
&gt; &gt;answer is acceptable to all researchers in the field.
&gt; &gt;Important factors, however, seem to fall into four
&gt; &gt;categories. As with so many other odd sexual
&gt; &gt;proclivities, males appear especially susceptible: 1.
&gt; &gt;Homosexual experience:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;any homosexual experience in childhood, especially if it
&gt; &gt;is a first sexual experience or with an adult any
&gt; &gt;homosexual contact with an adult, particularly with a
&gt; &gt;relative or authority figure (in a random survey, 5% of
&gt; &gt;adult homosexuals vs 0.8% of heterosexuals reported
&gt; &gt;childhood sexual involvements with elementary or
&gt; &gt;secondary school teachers (5). 2. Family abnormality,
&gt; &gt;including the following:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;a dominant, possessive, or rejecting mother an absent,
&gt; &gt;distant, or rejecting father a parent with homosexual
&gt; &gt;proclivities, particularly one who molests a child of the
&gt; &gt;same sex a sibling with homosexual tendencies,
&gt; &gt;particularly one who molests a brother or sister the lack
&gt; &gt;of a religious home environment divorce, which often
&gt; &gt;leads to sexual problems for both the children and the
&gt; &gt;adults parents who model unconventional sex roles
&gt; &gt;condoning homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle-
&gt; &gt;welcoming homosexuals (e.g., co-workers, friends) into
&gt; &gt;the family circle 3. Unusual sexual experience,
&gt; &gt;particularly in early childhood:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;precocious or excessive masturbation exposure to
&gt; &gt;pornography in childhood depersonalized sex (e.g., group
&gt; &gt;sex, sex with animals) or girls, sexual interaction with
&gt; &gt;adult males 4. Cultural influences: a visible and
&gt; &gt;socially approved homosexual sub-culture that invites
&gt; &gt;curiosity and encourages exploration pro-homosexual sex
&gt; &gt;education openly homosexual authority figures, such as
&gt; &gt;teachers (4% of Kinsey's and 4% of FRI's gays reported
&gt; &gt;that their first homosexual experience was with a
&gt; &gt;teacher) societal and legal toleration of homosexual acts
&gt; &gt;depictions of homosexuality as normal and/or desirable
&gt; &gt;behavior
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Can homosexuality be changed?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Certainly. As noted above, many people have turned away
&gt; &gt;from homosexuality - almost as many people call
&gt; &gt;themselves &quot;gay.&quot; Clearly the easier problem to eliminate
&gt; &gt;is homosexual behavior. Just as many heterosexuals
&gt; &gt;control their desires to engage in premarital or
&gt; &gt;extramarital sex, so some with homosexual desires
&gt; &gt;discipline themselves to abstain from homosexual contact.
&gt; &gt;One thing seems to stand out: Associations are all-
&gt; &gt;important. Anyone who wants to abstain from homosexual
&gt; &gt;behavior should avoid the company of practicing
&gt; &gt;homosexuals. There are organizations including &quot;ex-gay
&gt; &gt;ministries, &quot; (18) designed to help those who wish to
&gt; &gt;reform their conduct. Psychotherapy claims about a 30%
&gt; &gt;cure rate, and religious commitment seems to be the most
&gt; &gt;helpful factor in avoiding homosexual habits.
&gt;

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#19: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 08:45:55 by Frank Franklinson

Why does everything with you freaks have to be about politics or religion.
Can't a TV show like BSG just be about a TV show? I've enjoyed the series so
far, and have not been left feeling there were any &quot;hidden messages&quot;
regarding homosexuals or anything else. Do yourself, and the rest of us a
favor, and stfu and just watch tv. Fucking christ man.



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&gt; &gt; John Shocked.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; In the post below, you are not discussing ANYTHING to do with SciFi
&gt; &gt; Channel, Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, or even television. Reread
&gt; &gt; your post if you missed this fact. Look for any reference to SciFi
&gt; &gt; Channel, Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, or even television. There
&gt; &gt; are none. Your post is nothing more than a (poorly spell checked)
&gt; &gt; anti-homo rant that has nothing to do with science fiction or
&gt; &gt; television whatsoever.
&gt;
&gt; Wrong. My posts are clearly On Topic and deal with a political
&gt; agenda on tghe part of Hollywood Homosexuals to affect the
&gt; opinion and behavior of unsuspecting viewers.
&gt; Here is more information on how the BSG symbolisms affect the
&gt; behavior of heterosexual unsuspecting viewers who watch the series:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; ==========================================
&gt; <a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/subliminal-message" target="_blank">http://www.answers.com/topic/subliminal-message</a>
&gt;
&gt; Subliminal Message
&gt;
&gt; A subliminal message is a signal or message designed to
&gt; pass below (sub) the normal limits of perception. For
&gt; example it might be inaudible to the conscious mind (but
&gt; audible to the unconscious or deeper mind) or might be
&gt; an image transmitted briefly and unperceived consciously
&gt; and yet perceived unconsciously. This definition assumes
&gt; a division between conscious and unconscious which may
&gt; be misleading; it may be better to say that the
&gt; subliminal message (sound or image) is perceived by
&gt; deeper parts of what is a single integrated mind.
&gt;
&gt; In the everyday world, many have claimed that subliminal
&gt; techniques are used in advertising and for propaganda
&gt; purposes but officially it is denied. In Russia,
&gt; however, there have been reports of subliminal messages.
&gt; For example, Pravda has had stories about the discovery
&gt; of subliminal messages in advertising from the West.
&gt;
&gt; Origin of the Term
&gt;
&gt; The term subliminal message was popularized in a 1957
&gt; book entitled The Hidden Persuaders by Vance Packard.
&gt; This book detailed a study of movie theaters that
&gt; supposedly used subliminal commands to increase the
&gt; sales of popcorn and Coca-Cola at their concession
&gt; stands. However, James Vicary (the author of the study)
&gt; later admitted the study was fabricated.
&gt;
&gt; In 1973 Wilson Bryan Key's book Subliminal Seduction
&gt; claimed that subliminal techniques were in wide use in
&gt; advertising. The book contributed to a general climate
&gt; of fear with regard to Orwellian dangers (of subliminal
&gt; messaging). Public concern was enough to lead the
&gt; Federal Communications Commission to hold hearings and
&gt; to declare subliminal advertising &quot;contrary to the
&gt; public interest&quot; because it involved &quot;intentional
&gt; deception&quot; of the public.
&gt;
&gt; Validity
&gt;
&gt; In spite of the popular belief that subliminal messages
&gt; are widely used to influence audiences, there is little
&gt; evidence that the technique has ever been used on a mass
&gt; audience (other than its occasional use by artists who
&gt; use it to make an artistic statement). There is no
&gt; evidence that subliminal messages have any effect at all
&gt; on a viewer or listener, and the current consensus among
&gt; marketing professionals is that subliminal advertising
&gt; is ineffective and can be counter-productive. The theory
&gt; underlying subliminal messages is often considered to be
&gt; pseudoscience. However, the concept of subliminal
&gt; messages is very popular among conspiracy theorists, and
&gt; most people in media-saturated areas (such as the United
&gt; States) are familiar with the term.
&gt;
&gt; A number of fringe elements in society have made
&gt; occasional claims that subliminal messages can be found
&gt; in various forms of popular entertainment. Popular
&gt; claims of subliminal commands include the supposed use
&gt; of &quot;backward messages&quot; in rock and roll songs.
&gt; Conservative activist Donald Wildmon has claimed that
&gt; The Walt Disney Company inserted the subliminal command
&gt; &quot;SEX&quot; into the animated film The Lion King (see that
&gt; article for more information on this). Mainstream
&gt; authorities have generally ignored these claims due to
&gt; the dubious reputations of their authors.
&gt;
&gt; Discussion
&gt;
&gt; Subliminal perception or cognition, if it exists, can be
&gt; considered a subset of unconscious cognition where the
&gt; forms of unconscious cognition also include attending to
&gt; one signal in a noisy environment while unconsciously
&gt; keeping track of other signals (e.g. one voice out of
&gt; many in a crowded room) and tasks done automatically
&gt; (e.g. driving a car).
&gt;
&gt; An important question about subliminal perception is:
&gt; How much of the unattended or unconscious signal or
&gt; message is perceived? That is, is the whole message
&gt; sensed and fully digested or perhaps only its main and
&gt; simpler features? There are at least two schools of
&gt; thought about this. One of them argues that only the
&gt; simpler features of unconscious signals could be
&gt; perceived. The second school of thought argues that
&gt; unconscious cognition is comprehensive and that much
&gt; more is perceived than can be verbalized.
&gt;
&gt; Various types of studies of subliminal perception have
&gt; been conducted. A related field is the question of
&gt; whether anaesthetized patients are completely unaware
&gt; whilst apparently completely asleep/unconscious.
&gt;
&gt; Proponents of the power of subliminal messages claim
&gt; they gain influence or power from the fact that they
&gt; circumvent the critical functions of the conscious mind,
&gt; and therefore subliminal suggestions are potentially
&gt; more powerful than ordinary suggestions. This route to
&gt; influence or persuasion would be akin to auto-suggestion
&gt; or hypnosis wherein the subject is encouraged to be (or
&gt; somehow induced to be) relaxed so that suggestions are
&gt; directed to deeper (more gullible) parts of the mind;
&gt; some observers have argued that the unconscious mind is
&gt; incapable of critical refusal of hypnotic or subliminal
&gt; suggestions.
&gt;
&gt; However, research findings do not support the conclusion
&gt; that subliminal suggestions are peculiarly powerful, or
&gt; even have any effect at all.
&gt;
&gt; Subliminal Messages in Advertising
&gt;
&gt; A form of subliminal messaging commonly believed to
&gt; exist involves the insertion of &quot;hidden&quot; messages into
&gt; movies and TV programs. The concept of &quot;moving pictures&quot;
&gt; relies on persistence of vision to create the illusion
&gt; of movement in a series of images projected at 23 to 50
&gt; frames per second; the popular theory of subliminal
&gt; messages usually suggests that subliminal commands can
&gt; be inserted into this sequence at the rate of perhaps 1
&gt; frame in 25 (or roughly 1 frame per second, with a
&gt; duration of about 1/25 of 1 second). The hidden command
&gt; in a single frame will flash across the screen so
&gt; quickly that it is not consciously perceived, but the
&gt; command will supposedly appeal to the subconscious mind
&gt; of the viewer, and thus have some measurable effect in
&gt; terms of behavior.
&gt;
&gt; Another &quot;subliminal&quot; message technique is supposedly to
&gt; embed into a printed advertisement certain messages or
&gt; symbols which are subtle and perceived only by the
&gt; unconscious mind, either to communicate a message or to
&gt; increase the attention paid to the printed ad. This
&gt; technique, as with subliminal TV advertising, is not
&gt; generally regarded as effective.
&gt;
&gt; As to the question of whether subliminal messages are
&gt; widely used to influence groups of people e.g.
&gt; audiences, there is no evidence to suggest that any
&gt; serious or sustained attempt has been made to use the
&gt; technology on a mass audience. The widespread reports
&gt; that arose in 1957 to the effect that customers in a
&gt; movie theatre in New Jersey had been induced by
&gt; subliminal messages to consume more popcorn and more
&gt; Coca-Cola were almost certainly false. The current
&gt; consensus among marketing professionals is that
&gt; subliminal advertising is counter-productive. To some
&gt; this is because they believe it to be ineffective, but
&gt; to most it is because they realise it would be a public
&gt; relations disaster if its use were discovered. Many have
&gt; misgivings about using it in marketing campaigns due to
&gt; ethical considerations.
&gt;
&gt; During the 2000 U.S. presidential campaign, a television
&gt; ad campaigning for Republican candidate George W. Bush
&gt; showed words (and parts thereof) scaling from the
&gt; foreground to the background on a television screen.
&gt; When the word BUREAUCRATS flashed on the screen, one
&gt; frame showed only the last part, RATS. Democrats
&gt; promptly asked the FCC to look into the matter, but no
&gt; penalties were ever assessed in the case. The effect
&gt; this had on the overall presidential race was unclear;
&gt; the Democrats and Al Gore received ridicule for finding
&gt; malicious intent in something that could have been a
&gt; simple mistake; the Republicans received ridicule for
&gt; the lack of attention to detail and Bush's
&gt; mispronunciation of &quot;subliminal&quot; (it came out as
&gt; &quot;subliminable&quot;). (It bears mentioning that the
&gt; &quot;subliminal message&quot; is easily viewable when the ad is
&gt; played at regular speed. If the message were truly
&gt; subliminal, that would not be the case.)
&gt;
&gt; The most common ways of making one of these messages are
&gt; playing a string of images each lasting 1/3000th of a
&gt; second, words scrolling across a screen just fast enough
&gt; so the viewer can only pick out one at a time, and using
&gt; pictures to provoke the primal instincts in the viewer.
&gt; Primal insticts are those instincts that command killing
&gt; or sexually reproducing. The 4 most used words to invoke
&gt; these insticts are: SEX, F***, KILL, and DIE.
&gt;
&gt; Works cited: www.ebaumsworld.com &quot;urban legends&quot;. found
&gt; in the animation section.
&gt;
&gt; See also advertising marketing promotion backmasking
&gt;
&gt; Quotations
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Over the years there have been literally hundreds of
&gt; studies&quot;...&quot;these studies show that considerable
&gt; information capable of informing decisions and guiding
&gt; actions is perceived even when observers do not
&gt; experience any awareness of perceiving&quot;. Philip Merikle,
&gt; Department of Psychology, University of Waterloo.
&gt;
&gt; ===========================================
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Therefore, I have been forced to reported this post to your ISP five
&gt; &gt; times as off-topic, once for each of the following groups you
&gt; &gt; incorrectly posted it to: alt.battlestar-galactica, rec.arts.sf.tv,
&gt; &gt; alt.startrek, alt.tv.scifi.channel, and rec.arts.tv. General
&gt; &gt; discussions of homosexuality and its causes are OFF TOPIC in these
&gt; &gt; groups for what should be obvious reasons. Off topic posts are
&gt; &gt; forbidden by the Cox.net User Agreement, and you endanger your access
&gt; &gt; by persisting in posting off-topic messages on a daily basis.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; You obviously are not intelligent enough (or medicated enough) to
&gt; &gt; understand why generic posts about the roots of homosexuality is
&gt; &gt; off-topic in these groups. Rest assured that your ISP does indeed
&gt; &gt; know, and that they agree that your post does not belong in these
&gt; &gt; newsgroups, and that's really all that matters here.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; In the future, you should post your GENERAL discussions of
&gt; &gt; homosexuality only in newsgroups that are dedicated to general
&gt; &gt; discussions of homosexuality. Every time you post off-topic, you will
&gt; &gt; be reported again to Cox.net Customer Service.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Hope this helps!
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; On Sat, 28 May 2005 19:53:13 -0700, &quot;John Shocked&quot;
&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;The truth is not Hate. This is simply a dishonest statement
&gt; &gt; &gt;on your part. You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt; &gt;disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt; &gt;More truth about causes of homosexuality coming.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;Politics
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;=======================================
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;<a href="http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html" target="_blank">http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html</a>
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? By
&gt; &gt; &gt;Paul Cameron, Ph. D. Dr. Cameron is Chariman of the
&gt; &gt; &gt;Family Research Institute of
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Colorado Springs, Colorado USA. Click here for more
&gt; &gt; &gt; information about this organization. You may contact him
&gt; &gt; &gt; at: Family Research Institute, PO Box 62640, Colorado
&gt; &gt; &gt; Springs, CO 80962 USA. Phone number: (303) 681-3113. (No
&gt; &gt; &gt; e-mail address.)
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;Most of us fail to understand why anyone would want to
&gt; &gt; &gt;engage in homosexual activity. To the average person, the
&gt; &gt; &gt;very idea is either puzzling or repugnant. Indeed, a
&gt; &gt; &gt;recent survey (1) indicated that only 14% of men and 10%
&gt; &gt; &gt;of women imagined that such behavior could hold any
&gt; &gt; &gt;&quot;possibility of enjoyment.&quot;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;The peculiar nature of homosexual desire has led some
&gt; &gt; &gt;people to conclude that this urge must be innate: that a
&gt; &gt; &gt;certain number of people are &quot;born that way,&quot; that sexual
&gt; &gt; &gt;preferences cannot be changed or even ended. What does
&gt; &gt; &gt;the best research really indicate? Are homosexual
&gt; &gt; &gt;proclivities natural or irresistible?
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;At least three answers seem possible. The first, the
&gt; &gt; &gt;answer of tradition, is as follows: homosexual behavior
&gt; &gt; &gt;is a bad habit that people fall into because they are
&gt; &gt; &gt;sexually permissive and experimental. This view holds rat
&gt; &gt; &gt;homosexuals choose their lifestyle as the result of self-
&gt; &gt; &gt;indulgence and an unwillingness to play by society rules.
&gt; &gt; &gt;The second position is held by a number of psychoanalysts
&gt; &gt; &gt;(e.g., Bieber, Socarides). According to them, homosexual
&gt; &gt; &gt;behavior is a mental illness, symptomatic of arrested
&gt; &gt; &gt;development. They believe that homosexuals have unnatural
&gt; &gt; &gt;or perverse desires as a consequence of poor familial
&gt; &gt; &gt;relations in childhood or some other trauma. The third
&gt; &gt; &gt;view is &quot;biological&quot; and holds that such desires are
&gt; &gt; &gt;genetic or hormonal in origin, and that there is no
&gt; &gt; &gt;choice involved and no &quot;childhood trauma&quot; necessary.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;Which of these views is most consistent with the facts?
&gt; &gt; &gt;Which tells us the most about homosexual behavior and its
&gt; &gt; &gt;origins? The answer seems to be that homosexual behavior
&gt; &gt; &gt;is learned. The following seven lines of evidence support
&gt; &gt; &gt;such a conclusion.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;1) No researcher has found provable biological or genitic
&gt; &gt; &gt;differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals that
&gt; &gt; &gt;weren't caused by their behavior
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;Occasionally you may read about a scientific study that
&gt; &gt; &gt;suggests that homosexuality is an inherited tendency, but
&gt; &gt; &gt;such studies have usually been discounted after careful
&gt; &gt; &gt;scrutiny or attempts at replication. No one has found a
&gt; &gt; &gt;single heredible genetic, hormonal or physical difference
&gt; &gt; &gt;between heterosexuals and homosexuals - at least none
&gt; &gt; &gt;that is replicable. (9, 12) While the absence of such a
&gt; &gt; &gt;discovery doesn't prove at inherited sexual tendencies
&gt; &gt; &gt;aren't possible, it suggests that none has been found
&gt; &gt; &gt;because none exists.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;2) People tend to believe that their sexual desires and
&gt; &gt; &gt;behaviors are learned
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain
&gt; &gt; &gt;the origins of their desires and behaviors - how they
&gt; &gt; &gt;&quot;got that way.&quot; The first of these studies was conducted
&gt; &gt; &gt;by Kinsey in the 1940s and involved 1700 homosexuals. The
&gt; &gt; &gt;second, in 1970, (4) involved 979 homosexuals. Both were
&gt; &gt; &gt;conducted prior to the period when the &quot;gay rights&quot;
&gt; &gt; &gt;movement started to politicize the issue of homosexual
&gt; &gt; &gt;origins. Both reported essentially the same findings:
&gt; &gt; &gt;Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and
&gt; &gt; &gt;behavior were the result of social or environmental
&gt; &gt; &gt;influences. In a 1983 study conducted by the Family
&gt; &gt; &gt;Research Institute (5) (FRI) involving a random sample of
&gt; &gt; &gt;147 homosexuals, 35% said their sexual desires were
&gt; &gt; &gt;hereditary. Interestingly, almost 80% of the 3,400
&gt; &gt; &gt;heterosexuals in the same study said that their
&gt; &gt; &gt;preferences and behavior were learned (see Table 1
&gt; &gt; &gt;below). Table 1 Reasons For Preferring: homosexuality
&gt; &gt; &gt;(1940s and 1970) early homosexual experience(s) with
&gt; &gt; &gt;adults and/or peers - 22% homosexual friends/ around
&gt; &gt; &gt;homosexuals a lot - 16% poor relationship with mother -
&gt; &gt; &gt;15% unusual development (was a sissy, artistic, couldn't
&gt; &gt; &gt;get along with own sex, tom-boy, et cetera) - 15% poor
&gt; &gt; &gt;relationship with father - 14% heterosexual partners
&gt; &gt; &gt;unavailable - 12% social ineptitude - 9% born that way -
&gt; &gt; &gt;9% heterosexuality (1983) I was around heterosexuals a
&gt; &gt; &gt;lot - 39% society teaches heterosexuality and I responded
&gt; &gt; &gt;- 34% born that way - 22% my parents, marriage was so
&gt; &gt; &gt;good I wanted to have what they had - 21% I tried it and
&gt; &gt; &gt;liked it - 12% childhood heterosexual experiences with
&gt; &gt; &gt;peers it was the ''in thing&quot; in my crowd - 9% I was
&gt; &gt; &gt;seduced by a heterosexual adult - 5% While these results
&gt; &gt; &gt;aren't conclusive, they tell something about the very
&gt; &gt; &gt;recent tendency to believe that homosexual behavior is
&gt; &gt; &gt;inherited or biologic. From the 1930s (when Kinsey
&gt; &gt; &gt;started collecting data) to the early 1970s, before a
&gt; &gt; &gt;&quot;politically correct&quot; answer emerged, only about 10% of
&gt; &gt; &gt;homosexuals claimed they were &quot;born that way.&quot;
&gt; &gt; &gt;Heterosexuals apparently continue to believe that their
&gt; &gt; &gt;behavior is primarily a result of social conditioning.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;3) Older homosexuals often approach the young
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;There is evidence that homosexuality, like drug use is
&gt; &gt; &gt;&quot;handed down&quot; from older individuals. The first
&gt; &gt; &gt;homosexual encounter is usually initiated by an older
&gt; &gt; &gt;person. In separate studies 60%, (6) 64%, (3) and 61%
&gt; &gt; &gt;(10) of the respondents claimed that their first partner
&gt; &gt; &gt;was someone older who initiated the sexual experience.
&gt; &gt; &gt;How this happens is suggested by a nationwide random
&gt; &gt; &gt;study from Britain: (17) 35% of boys and 9% of girl said
&gt; &gt; &gt;they were approached for sex by adult homosexuals.
&gt; &gt; &gt;Whether for attention, curiosity, or by force, 2% of the
&gt; &gt; &gt;boys and 1% of the girls succumbed. In the US, (1) 37% of
&gt; &gt; &gt;males and 9% of females reported having been approached
&gt; &gt; &gt;for homosexual sex (65% of those doing the inviting were
&gt; &gt; &gt;older). Likewise, a study of over 400 London teenagers
&gt; &gt; &gt;reported that &quot;for the boys, their first homosexual
&gt; &gt; &gt;experience was very likely with someone older: half the
&gt; &gt; &gt;boys' first partner were 20 or older; for girls it was 43
&gt; &gt; &gt;percent.&quot; (13) A quarter of homosexuals have admitted to
&gt; &gt; &gt;sex with children and underaged teens, (6,5,8) suggesting
&gt; &gt; &gt;the homosexuality is introduced to youngsters the same
&gt; &gt; &gt;way other behaviors are learned - by experience.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;4) Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns
&gt; &gt; &gt;of behavior
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;In the 1980s, scholars (12) examined the early Kinsey
&gt; &gt; &gt;data to determine whether or not childhood sexual
&gt; &gt; &gt;experiences predicted adult behavior. The results were
&gt; &gt; &gt;significant: Homosexual experience in the early year,
&gt; &gt; &gt;particularly if it was one's first sexual experience -
&gt; &gt; &gt;was a strong predictor of adult homosexual behavior, both
&gt; &gt; &gt;for males and females. A similar pattern appeared in the
&gt; &gt; &gt;1970 Kinsey Institute (4) study: there was a strong
&gt; &gt; &gt;relationship between those whose first experience was
&gt; &gt; &gt;homosexual and those who practiced homosexuality in later
&gt; &gt; &gt;life. In the FRI study (5) two-thirds of the boys whose
&gt; &gt; &gt;first experience was homosexual engaged in homosexual
&gt; &gt; &gt;behavior as adults; 95% of those whose first experience
&gt; &gt; &gt;was heterosexual were likewise heterosexual in their
&gt; &gt; &gt;adult behavior. A similarly progressive pattern of sexual
&gt; &gt; &gt;behavior was reported for females. It is remarkable that
&gt; &gt; &gt;the three largest empirical studies of the question
&gt; &gt; &gt;showed essentially the same pattern. A child's first
&gt; &gt; &gt;sexual experiences were strongly associated with his or
&gt; &gt; &gt;her adult behavior.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;5) Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors -
&gt; &gt; &gt;especially religious convictions
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;Kinsey reported &quot;less homosexual activity among devout
&gt; &gt; &gt;groups whether they be Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish,
&gt; &gt; &gt;and more homosexual activity among religiously less
&gt; &gt; &gt;active groups.&quot; (2) The 1983 FRI study found those raised
&gt; &gt; &gt;in irreligious homes to be over 4 times more likely to
&gt; &gt; &gt;become homosexual than those from devout homes . These
&gt; &gt; &gt;studies suggest that when people believe strongly that
&gt; &gt; &gt;homosexual behavior is immoral, they are significantly
&gt; &gt; &gt;less apt to be involved in such activity. Recently,
&gt; &gt; &gt;because of the AIDS epidemic, it has been discovered
&gt; &gt; &gt;that, relative to white males, twice as many black males
&gt; &gt; &gt;are homosexual (14) and 4 times as many are bisexual.
&gt; &gt; &gt;Perhaps it is related to the fact that 62% of black
&gt; &gt; &gt;versus 17% of white children are being raised in
&gt; &gt; &gt;fatherless homes. But even the worst racist wouldn't
&gt; &gt; &gt;suggest that it is due to genetic predisposition. Were
&gt; &gt; &gt;homosexual impulses truly inherited, we should be unable
&gt; &gt; &gt;to find differences in homosexual practice due to
&gt; &gt; &gt;religious upbringing or racial sub-culture.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;6) Many change their sexual preferences
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;In a large random sample (5) 88% of women currently
&gt; &gt; &gt;claiming lesbian attraction and 73% of men claiming to
&gt; &gt; &gt;currently enjoy homosexual sex, said that they had been
&gt; &gt; &gt;sexually aroused by the opposite sex, 85% of these
&gt; &gt; &gt;&quot;lesbians&quot; and 54% of these &quot;homosexuals&quot; reported sexual
&gt; &gt; &gt;relations with someone of the opposite sex in adulthood,
&gt; &gt; &gt;67% of lesbians and 54% of homosexuals reported current
&gt; &gt; &gt;sexual attraction to the opposite sex, and 82% of
&gt; &gt; &gt;lesbians and 66% of homosexuals reported having been in
&gt; &gt; &gt;love with a member of the opposite sex. Homosexuals
&gt; &gt; &gt;experiment. They feel some normal impulses. Most have
&gt; &gt; &gt;been sexually aroused by, had sexual relations with, and
&gt; &gt; &gt;even fallen in love with someone of the opposite sex.
&gt; &gt; &gt;Nationwide random samples (11) of 904 men were asked
&gt; &gt; &gt;about their sex lives since age 21, and more
&gt; &gt; &gt;specifically, in the last year. As the figure reveals,
&gt; &gt; &gt;1.3% reported sex with men in the past year and 5.2% at
&gt; &gt; &gt;some time in adulthood. Less than 1% of men had only had
&gt; &gt; &gt;sex with men during their lives. And 6 of every 7 who had
&gt; &gt; &gt;had sex with men, also reported sex with women. It's a
&gt; &gt; &gt;much different story with inherited characteristics. Race
&gt; &gt; &gt;and gender are not optional lifestyles. They remain
&gt; &gt; &gt;immutable. The switching and experimentation demonstrated
&gt; &gt; &gt;in these two studies identifies homosexuality as a
&gt; &gt; &gt;preference, not an inevitability.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;7) There are many ex-homosexuals
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;Many engage in one or two homosexual experiences and
&gt; &gt; &gt;never do it again- a pattern reported for a third of the
&gt; &gt; &gt;males with homosexual experience in one study. (1) And
&gt; &gt; &gt;then there are ex- homosexuals - those who have continued
&gt; &gt; &gt;in homosexual liaisons for a number of years and then
&gt; &gt; &gt;chose to change not only their habits, but also the
&gt; &gt; &gt;object of their desire. Sometimes this alteration occurs
&gt; &gt; &gt;as the result of psychotherapy; (10) in others it is
&gt; &gt; &gt;prompted by a religious or spiritual conversion. (18)
&gt; &gt; &gt;Similar to the kinds of &quot;cures&quot; achieved by drug addicts
&gt; &gt; &gt;and alcoholics, these treatments do not always remove
&gt; &gt; &gt;homosexual desire or temptation. Whatever the mechanism,
&gt; &gt; &gt;in a 1984 study (5) almost 2% of heterosexuals reported
&gt; &gt; &gt;that at one time they considered themselves to be
&gt; &gt; &gt;homosexual. It is clear that a substantial number of
&gt; &gt; &gt;people are reconsidering their sexual preferences at any
&gt; &gt; &gt;given time.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;What causes homosexual desire?
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;If homosexual impulses are not inherited, what kinds of
&gt; &gt; &gt;influences do cause strong homosexual desires? No one
&gt; &gt; &gt;answer is acceptable to all researchers in the field.
&gt; &gt; &gt;Important factors, however, seem to fall into four
&gt; &gt; &gt;categories. As with so many other odd sexual
&gt; &gt; &gt;proclivities, males appear especially susceptible: 1.
&gt; &gt; &gt;Homosexual experience:
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;any homosexual experience in childhood, especially if it
&gt; &gt; &gt;is a first sexual experience or with an adult any
&gt; &gt; &gt;homosexual contact with an adult, particularly with a
&gt; &gt; &gt;relative or authority figure (in a random survey, 5% of
&gt; &gt; &gt;adult homosexuals vs 0.8% of heterosexuals reported
&gt; &gt; &gt;childhood sexual involvements with elementary or
&gt; &gt; &gt;secondary school teachers (5). 2. Family abnormality,
&gt; &gt; &gt;including the following:
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;a dominant, possessive, or rejecting mother an absent,
&gt; &gt; &gt;distant, or rejecting father a parent with homosexual
&gt; &gt; &gt;proclivities, particularly one who molests a child of the
&gt; &gt; &gt;same sex a sibling with homosexual tendencies,
&gt; &gt; &gt;particularly one who molests a brother or sister the lack
&gt; &gt; &gt;of a religious home environment divorce, which often
&gt; &gt; &gt;leads to sexual problems for both the children and the
&gt; &gt; &gt;adults parents who model unconventional sex roles
&gt; &gt; &gt;condoning homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle-
&gt; &gt; &gt;welcoming homosexuals (e.g., co-workers, friends) into
&gt; &gt; &gt;the family circle 3. Unusual sexual experience,
&gt; &gt; &gt;particularly in early childhood:
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;precocious or excessive masturbation exposure to
&gt; &gt; &gt;pornography in childhood depersonalized sex (e.g., group
&gt; &gt; &gt;sex, sex with animals) or girls, sexual interaction with
&gt; &gt; &gt;adult males 4. Cultural influences: a visible and
&gt; &gt; &gt;socially approved homosexual sub-culture that invites
&gt; &gt; &gt;curiosity and encourages exploration pro-homosexual sex
&gt; &gt; &gt;education openly homosexual authority figures, such as
&gt; &gt; &gt;teachers (4% of Kinsey's and 4% of FRI's gays reported
&gt; &gt; &gt;that their first homosexual experience was with a
&gt; &gt; &gt;teacher) societal and legal toleration of homosexual acts
&gt; &gt; &gt;depictions of homosexuality as normal and/or desirable
&gt; &gt; &gt;behavior
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;Can homosexuality be changed?
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;Certainly. As noted above, many people have turned away
&gt; &gt; &gt;from homosexuality - almost as many people call
&gt; &gt; &gt;themselves &quot;gay.&quot; Clearly the easier problem to eliminate
&gt; &gt; &gt;is homosexual behavior. Just as many heterosexuals
&gt; &gt; &gt;control their desires to engage in premarital or
&gt; &gt; &gt;extramarital sex, so some with homosexual desires
&gt; &gt; &gt;discipline themselves to abstain from homosexual contact.
&gt; &gt; &gt;One thing seems to stand out: Associations are all-
&gt; &gt; &gt;important. Anyone who wants to abstain from homosexual
&gt; &gt; &gt;behavior should avoid the company of practicing
&gt; &gt; &gt;homosexuals. There are organizations including &quot;ex-gay
&gt; &gt; &gt;ministries, &quot; (18) designed to help those who wish to
&gt; &gt; &gt;reform their conduct. Psychotherapy claims about a 30%
&gt; &gt; &gt;cure rate, and religious commitment seems to be the most
&gt; &gt; &gt;helpful factor in avoiding homosexual habits.
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
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#20: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 09:30:03 by John Shocked

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&gt; Why does everything with you freaks have to be about politics or religion.
&gt; Can't a TV show like BSG just be about a TV show? I've enjoyed the
&gt; series so far, and have not been left feeling there were any
&gt; &quot;hidden messages&quot; regarding homosexuals or anything else.
&gt; Do yourself, and the rest of us a favor, and stfu and just
&gt; watch tv. Fucking christ man.

It is the Hollywood Homosexuals who have control of the
Battlestar Galactica series who see this series as a political weapon
on which to piggyback their pet political issues with which to
indoctrinate the viewers. They are the aggressors here.
While BSG and Scifi Channel continue to abuse their control over
the media to sell this crap to the public, someone will come
here and point it out.
You trying to claim that the Hollywood Homosexuals who control
BSG should be the only ones allowed free speech ?

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&gt; &gt; &gt; John Shocked.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; In the post below, you are not discussing ANYTHING to do with SciFi
&gt; &gt; &gt; Channel, Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, or even television. Reread
&gt; &gt; &gt; your post if you missed this fact. Look for any reference to SciFi
&gt; &gt; &gt; Channel, Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, or even television. There
&gt; &gt; &gt; are none. Your post is nothing more than a (poorly spell checked)
&gt; &gt; &gt; anti-homo rant that has nothing to do with science fiction or
&gt; &gt; &gt; television whatsoever.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Wrong. My posts are clearly On Topic and deal with a political
&gt; &gt; agenda on tghe part of Hollywood Homosexuals to affect the
&gt; &gt; opinion and behavior of unsuspecting viewers.
&gt; &gt; Here is more information on how the BSG symbolisms affect the
&gt; &gt; behavior of heterosexual unsuspecting viewers who watch the series:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; ==========================================
&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/subliminal-message" target="_blank">http://www.answers.com/topic/subliminal-message</a>
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Subliminal Message
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; A subliminal message is a signal or message designed to
&gt; &gt; pass below (sub) the normal limits of perception. For
&gt; &gt; example it might be inaudible to the conscious mind (but
&gt; &gt; audible to the unconscious or deeper mind) or might be
&gt; &gt; an image transmitted briefly and unperceived consciously
&gt; &gt; and yet perceived unconsciously. This definition assumes
&gt; &gt; a division between conscious and unconscious which may
&gt; &gt; be misleading; it may be better to say that the
&gt; &gt; subliminal message (sound or image) is perceived by
&gt; &gt; deeper parts of what is a single integrated mind.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; In the everyday world, many have claimed that subliminal
&gt; &gt; techniques are used in advertising and for propaganda
&gt; &gt; purposes but officially it is denied. In Russia,
&gt; &gt; however, there have been reports of subliminal messages.
&gt; &gt; For example, Pravda has had stories about the discovery
&gt; &gt; of subliminal messages in advertising from the West.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Origin of the Term
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; The term subliminal message was popularized in a 1957
&gt; &gt; book entitled The Hidden Persuaders by Vance Packard.
&gt; &gt; This book detailed a study of movie theaters that
&gt; &gt; supposedly used subliminal commands to increase the
&gt; &gt; sales of popcorn and Coca-Cola at their concession
&gt; &gt; stands. However, James Vicary (the author of the study)
&gt; &gt; later admitted the study was fabricated.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; In 1973 Wilson Bryan Key's book Subliminal Seduction
&gt; &gt; claimed that subliminal techniques were in wide use in
&gt; &gt; advertising. The book contributed to a general climate
&gt; &gt; of fear with regard to Orwellian dangers (of subliminal
&gt; &gt; messaging). Public concern was enough to lead the
&gt; &gt; Federal Communications Commission to hold hearings and
&gt; &gt; to declare subliminal advertising &quot;contrary to the
&gt; &gt; public interest&quot; because it involved &quot;intentional
&gt; &gt; deception&quot; of the public.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Validity
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; In spite of the popular belief that subliminal messages
&gt; &gt; are widely used to influence audiences, there is little
&gt; &gt; evidence that the technique has ever been used on a mass
&gt; &gt; audience (other than its occasional use by artists who
&gt; &gt; use it to make an artistic statement). There is no
&gt; &gt; evidence that subliminal messages have any effect at all
&gt; &gt; on a viewer or listener, and the current consensus among
&gt; &gt; marketing professionals is that subliminal advertising
&gt; &gt; is ineffective and can be counter-productive. The theory
&gt; &gt; underlying subliminal messages is often considered to be
&gt; &gt; pseudoscience. However, the concept of subliminal
&gt; &gt; messages is very popular among conspiracy theorists, and
&gt; &gt; most people in media-saturated areas (such as the United
&gt; &gt; States) are familiar with the term.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; A number of fringe elements in society have made
&gt; &gt; occasional claims that subliminal messages can be found
&gt; &gt; in various forms of popular entertainment. Popular
&gt; &gt; claims of subliminal commands include the supposed use
&gt; &gt; of &quot;backward messages&quot; in rock and roll songs.
&gt; &gt; Conservative activist Donald Wildmon has claimed that
&gt; &gt; The Walt Disney Company inserted the subliminal command
&gt; &gt; &quot;SEX&quot; into the animated film The Lion King (see that
&gt; &gt; article for more information on this). Mainstream
&gt; &gt; authorities have generally ignored these claims due to
&gt; &gt; the dubious reputations of their authors.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Discussion
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Subliminal perception or cognition, if it exists, can be
&gt; &gt; considered a subset of unconscious cognition where the
&gt; &gt; forms of unconscious cognition also include attending to
&gt; &gt; one signal in a noisy environment while unconsciously
&gt; &gt; keeping track of other signals (e.g. one voice out of
&gt; &gt; many in a crowded room) and tasks done automatically
&gt; &gt; (e.g. driving a car).
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; An important question about subliminal perception is:
&gt; &gt; How much of the unattended or unconscious signal or
&gt; &gt; message is perceived? That is, is the whole message
&gt; &gt; sensed and fully digested or perhaps only its main and
&gt; &gt; simpler features? There are at least two schools of
&gt; &gt; thought about this. One of them argues that only the
&gt; &gt; simpler features of unconscious signals could be
&gt; &gt; perceived. The second school of thought argues that
&gt; &gt; unconscious cognition is comprehensive and that much
&gt; &gt; more is perceived than can be verbalized.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Various types of studies of subliminal perception have
&gt; &gt; been conducted. A related field is the question of
&gt; &gt; whether anaesthetized patients are completely unaware
&gt; &gt; whilst apparently completely asleep/unconscious.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Proponents of the power of subliminal messages claim
&gt; &gt; they gain influence or power from the fact that they
&gt; &gt; circumvent the critical functions of the conscious mind,
&gt; &gt; and therefore subliminal suggestions are potentially
&gt; &gt; more powerful than ordinary suggestions. This route to
&gt; &gt; influence or persuasion would be akin to auto-suggestion
&gt; &gt; or hypnosis wherein the subject is encouraged to be (or
&gt; &gt; somehow induced to be) relaxed so that suggestions are
&gt; &gt; directed to deeper (more gullible) parts of the mind;
&gt; &gt; some observers have argued that the unconscious mind is
&gt; &gt; incapable of critical refusal of hypnotic or subliminal
&gt; &gt; suggestions.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; However, research findings do not support the conclusion
&gt; &gt; that subliminal suggestions are peculiarly powerful, or
&gt; &gt; even have any effect at all.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Subliminal Messages in Advertising
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; A form of subliminal messaging commonly believed to
&gt; &gt; exist involves the insertion of &quot;hidden&quot; messages into
&gt; &gt; movies and TV programs. The concept of &quot;moving pictures&quot;
&gt; &gt; relies on persistence of vision to create the illusion
&gt; &gt; of movement in a series of images projected at 23 to 50
&gt; &gt; frames per second; the popular theory of subliminal
&gt; &gt; messages usually suggests that subliminal commands can
&gt; &gt; be inserted into this sequence at the rate of perhaps 1
&gt; &gt; frame in 25 (or roughly 1 frame per second, with a
&gt; &gt; duration of about 1/25 of 1 second). The hidden command
&gt; &gt; in a single frame will flash across the screen so
&gt; &gt; quickly that it is not consciously perceived, but the
&gt; &gt; command will supposedly appeal to the subconscious mind
&gt; &gt; of the viewer, and thus have some measurable effect in
&gt; &gt; terms of behavior.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Another &quot;subliminal&quot; message technique is supposedly to
&gt; &gt; embed into a printed advertisement certain messages or
&gt; &gt; symbols which are subtle and perceived only by the
&gt; &gt; unconscious mind, either to communicate a message or to
&gt; &gt; increase the attention paid to the printed ad. This
&gt; &gt; technique, as with subliminal TV advertising, is not
&gt; &gt; generally regarded as effective.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; As to the question of whether subliminal messages are
&gt; &gt; widely used to influence groups of people e.g.
&gt; &gt; audiences, there is no evidence to suggest that any
&gt; &gt; serious or sustained attempt has been made to use the
&gt; &gt; technology on a mass audience. The widespread reports
&gt; &gt; that arose in 1957 to the effect that customers in a
&gt; &gt; movie theatre in New Jersey had been induced by
&gt; &gt; subliminal messages to consume more popcorn and more
&gt; &gt; Coca-Cola were almost certainly false. The current
&gt; &gt; consensus among marketing professionals is that
&gt; &gt; subliminal advertising is counter-productive. To some
&gt; &gt; this is because they believe it to be ineffective, but
&gt; &gt; to most it is because they realise it would be a public
&gt; &gt; relations disaster if its use were discovered. Many have
&gt; &gt; misgivings about using it in marketing campaigns due to
&gt; &gt; ethical considerations.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; During the 2000 U.S. presidential campaign, a television
&gt; &gt; ad campaigning for Republican candidate George W. Bush
&gt; &gt; showed words (and parts thereof) scaling from the
&gt; &gt; foreground to the background on a television screen.
&gt; &gt; When the word BUREAUCRATS flashed on the screen, one
&gt; &gt; frame showed only the last part, RATS. Democrats
&gt; &gt; promptly asked the FCC to look into the matter, but no
&gt; &gt; penalties were ever assessed in the case. The effect
&gt; &gt; this had on the overall presidential race was unclear;
&gt; &gt; the Democrats and Al Gore received ridicule for finding
&gt; &gt; malicious intent in something that could have been a
&gt; &gt; simple mistake; the Republicans received ridicule for
&gt; &gt; the lack of attention to detail and Bush's
&gt; &gt; mispronunciation of &quot;subliminal&quot; (it came out as
&gt; &gt; &quot;subliminable&quot;). (It bears mentioning that the
&gt; &gt; &quot;subliminal message&quot; is easily viewable when the ad is
&gt; &gt; played at regular speed. If the message were truly
&gt; &gt; subliminal, that would not be the case.)
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; The most common ways of making one of these messages are
&gt; &gt; playing a string of images each lasting 1/3000th of a
&gt; &gt; second, words scrolling across a screen just fast enough
&gt; &gt; so the viewer can only pick out one at a time, and using
&gt; &gt; pictures to provoke the primal instincts in the viewer.
&gt; &gt; Primal insticts are those instincts that command killing
&gt; &gt; or sexually reproducing. The 4 most used words to invoke
&gt; &gt; these insticts are: SEX, F***, KILL, and DIE.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Works cited: www.ebaumsworld.com &quot;urban legends&quot;. found
&gt; &gt; in the animation section.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; See also advertising marketing promotion backmasking
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Quotations
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &quot;Over the years there have been literally hundreds of
&gt; &gt; studies&quot;...&quot;these studies show that considerable
&gt; &gt; information capable of informing decisions and guiding
&gt; &gt; actions is perceived even when observers do not
&gt; &gt; experience any awareness of perceiving&quot;. Philip Merikle,
&gt; &gt; Department of Psychology, University of Waterloo.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; ===========================================
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Therefore, I have been forced to reported this post to your ISP five
&gt; &gt; &gt; times as off-topic, once for each of the following groups you
&gt; &gt; &gt; incorrectly posted it to: alt.battlestar-galactica, rec.arts.sf.tv,
&gt; &gt; &gt; alt.startrek, alt.tv.scifi.channel, and rec.arts.tv. General
&gt; &gt; &gt; discussions of homosexuality and its causes are OFF TOPIC in these
&gt; &gt; &gt; groups for what should be obvious reasons. Off topic posts are
&gt; &gt; &gt; forbidden by the Cox.net User Agreement, and you endanger your access
&gt; &gt; &gt; by persisting in posting off-topic messages on a daily basis.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; You obviously are not intelligent enough (or medicated enough) to
&gt; &gt; &gt; understand why generic posts about the roots of homosexuality is
&gt; &gt; &gt; off-topic in these groups. Rest assured that your ISP does indeed
&gt; &gt; &gt; know, and that they agree that your post does not belong in these
&gt; &gt; &gt; newsgroups, and that's really all that matters here.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; In the future, you should post your GENERAL discussions of
&gt; &gt; &gt; homosexuality only in newsgroups that are dedicated to general
&gt; &gt; &gt; discussions of homosexuality. Every time you post off-topic, you will
&gt; &gt; &gt; be reported again to Cox.net Customer Service.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Hope this helps!
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; On Sat, 28 May 2005 19:53:13 -0700, &quot;John Shocked&quot;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;The truth is not Hate. This is simply a dishonest statement
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;on your part. You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;More truth about causes of homosexuality coming.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Politics
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;=======================================
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<a href="http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html" target="_blank">http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html</a>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? By
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Paul Cameron, Ph. D. Dr. Cameron is Chariman of the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Family Research Institute of
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Colorado Springs, Colorado USA. Click here for more
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; information about this organization. You may contact him
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; at: Family Research Institute, PO Box 62640, Colorado
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Springs, CO 80962 USA. Phone number: (303) 681-3113. (No
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; e-mail address.)
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Most of us fail to understand why anyone would want to
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;engage in homosexual activity. To the average person, the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;very idea is either puzzling or repugnant. Indeed, a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;recent survey (1) indicated that only 14% of men and 10%
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;of women imagined that such behavior could hold any
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&quot;possibility of enjoyment.&quot;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;The peculiar nature of homosexual desire has led some
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;people to conclude that this urge must be innate: that a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;certain number of people are &quot;born that way,&quot; that sexual
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;preferences cannot be changed or even ended. What does
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;the best research really indicate? Are homosexual
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;proclivities natural or irresistible?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;At least three answers seem possible. The first, the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;answer of tradition, is as follows: homosexual behavior
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;is a bad habit that people fall into because they are
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;sexually permissive and experimental. This view holds rat
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;homosexuals choose their lifestyle as the result of self-
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;indulgence and an unwillingness to play by society rules.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;The second position is held by a number of psychoanalysts
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;(e.g., Bieber, Socarides). According to them, homosexual
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;behavior is a mental illness, symptomatic of arrested
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;development. They believe that homosexuals have unnatural
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;or perverse desires as a consequence of poor familial
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;relations in childhood or some other trauma. The third
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;view is &quot;biological&quot; and holds that such desires are
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;genetic or hormonal in origin, and that there is no
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;choice involved and no &quot;childhood trauma&quot; necessary.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Which of these views is most consistent with the facts?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Which tells us the most about homosexual behavior and its
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;origins? The answer seems to be that homosexual behavior
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;is learned. The following seven lines of evidence support
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;such a conclusion.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;1) No researcher has found provable biological or genitic
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals that
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;weren't caused by their behavior
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Occasionally you may read about a scientific study that
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;suggests that homosexuality is an inherited tendency, but
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;such studies have usually been discounted after careful
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;scrutiny or attempts at replication. No one has found a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;single heredible genetic, hormonal or physical difference
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;between heterosexuals and homosexuals - at least none
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;that is replicable. (9, 12) While the absence of such a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;discovery doesn't prove at inherited sexual tendencies
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;aren't possible, it suggests that none has been found
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;because none exists.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;2) People tend to believe that their sexual desires and
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;behaviors are learned
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;the origins of their desires and behaviors - how they
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&quot;got that way.&quot; The first of these studies was conducted
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;by Kinsey in the 1940s and involved 1700 homosexuals. The
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;second, in 1970, (4) involved 979 homosexuals. Both were
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;conducted prior to the period when the &quot;gay rights&quot;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;movement started to politicize the issue of homosexual
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;origins. Both reported essentially the same findings:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;behavior were the result of social or environmental
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;influences. In a 1983 study conducted by the Family
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Research Institute (5) (FRI) involving a random sample of
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;147 homosexuals, 35% said their sexual desires were
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;hereditary. Interestingly, almost 80% of the 3,400
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;heterosexuals in the same study said that their
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;preferences and behavior were learned (see Table 1
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;below). Table 1 Reasons For Preferring: homosexuality
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;(1940s and 1970) early homosexual experience(s) with
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;adults and/or peers - 22% homosexual friends/ around
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;homosexuals a lot - 16% poor relationship with mother -
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;15% unusual development (was a sissy, artistic, couldn't
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;get along with own sex, tom-boy, et cetera) - 15% poor
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;relationship with father - 14% heterosexual partners
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;unavailable - 12% social ineptitude - 9% born that way -
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;9% heterosexuality (1983) I was around heterosexuals a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;lot - 39% society teaches heterosexuality and I responded
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;- 34% born that way - 22% my parents, marriage was so
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;good I wanted to have what they had - 21% I tried it and
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;liked it - 12% childhood heterosexual experiences with
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;peers it was the ''in thing&quot; in my crowd - 9% I was
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;seduced by a heterosexual adult - 5% While these results
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;aren't conclusive, they tell something about the very
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;recent tendency to believe that homosexual behavior is
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;inherited or biologic. From the 1930s (when Kinsey
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;started collecting data) to the early 1970s, before a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&quot;politically correct&quot; answer emerged, only about 10% of
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;homosexuals claimed they were &quot;born that way.&quot;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Heterosexuals apparently continue to believe that their
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;behavior is primarily a result of social conditioning.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;3) Older homosexuals often approach the young
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;There is evidence that homosexuality, like drug use is
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&quot;handed down&quot; from older individuals. The first
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;homosexual encounter is usually initiated by an older
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;person. In separate studies 60%, (6) 64%, (3) and 61%
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;(10) of the respondents claimed that their first partner
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;was someone older who initiated the sexual experience.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;How this happens is suggested by a nationwide random
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;study from Britain: (17) 35% of boys and 9% of girl said
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;they were approached for sex by adult homosexuals.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Whether for attention, curiosity, or by force, 2% of the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;boys and 1% of the girls succumbed. In the US, (1) 37% of
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;males and 9% of females reported having been approached
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;for homosexual sex (65% of those doing the inviting were
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;older). Likewise, a study of over 400 London teenagers
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;reported that &quot;for the boys, their first homosexual
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;experience was very likely with someone older: half the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;boys' first partner were 20 or older; for girls it was 43
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;percent.&quot; (13) A quarter of homosexuals have admitted to
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;sex with children and underaged teens, (6,5,8) suggesting
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;the homosexuality is introduced to youngsters the same
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;way other behaviors are learned - by experience.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;4) Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;of behavior
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;In the 1980s, scholars (12) examined the early Kinsey
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;data to determine whether or not childhood sexual
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;experiences predicted adult behavior. The results were
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;significant: Homosexual experience in the early year,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;particularly if it was one's first sexual experience -
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;was a strong predictor of adult homosexual behavior, both
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;for males and females. A similar pattern appeared in the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;1970 Kinsey Institute (4) study: there was a strong
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;relationship between those whose first experience was
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;homosexual and those who practiced homosexuality in later
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;life. In the FRI study (5) two-thirds of the boys whose
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;first experience was homosexual engaged in homosexual
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;behavior as adults; 95% of those whose first experience
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;was heterosexual were likewise heterosexual in their
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;adult behavior. A similarly progressive pattern of sexual
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;behavior was reported for females. It is remarkable that
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;the three largest empirical studies of the question
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;showed essentially the same pattern. A child's first
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;sexual experiences were strongly associated with his or
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;her adult behavior.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;5) Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors -
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;especially religious convictions
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Kinsey reported &quot;less homosexual activity among devout
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;groups whether they be Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;and more homosexual activity among religiously less
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;active groups.&quot; (2) The 1983 FRI study found those raised
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;in irreligious homes to be over 4 times more likely to
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;become homosexual than those from devout homes . These
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;studies suggest that when people believe strongly that
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;homosexual behavior is immoral, they are significantly
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;less apt to be involved in such activity. Recently,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;because of the AIDS epidemic, it has been discovered
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;that, relative to white males, twice as many black males
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;are homosexual (14) and 4 times as many are bisexual.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Perhaps it is related to the fact that 62% of black
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;versus 17% of white children are being raised in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;fatherless homes. But even the worst racist wouldn't
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;suggest that it is due to genetic predisposition. Were
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;homosexual impulses truly inherited, we should be unable
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;to find differences in homosexual practice due to
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;religious upbringing or racial sub-culture.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;6) Many change their sexual preferences
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;In a large random sample (5) 88% of women currently
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;claiming lesbian attraction and 73% of men claiming to
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;currently enjoy homosexual sex, said that they had been
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;sexually aroused by the opposite sex, 85% of these
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&quot;lesbians&quot; and 54% of these &quot;homosexuals&quot; reported sexual
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;relations with someone of the opposite sex in adulthood,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;67% of lesbians and 54% of homosexuals reported current
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;sexual attraction to the opposite sex, and 82% of
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;lesbians and 66% of homosexuals reported having been in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;love with a member of the opposite sex. Homosexuals
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;experiment. They feel some normal impulses. Most have
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;been sexually aroused by, had sexual relations with, and
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;even fallen in love with someone of the opposite sex.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Nationwide random samples (11) of 904 men were asked
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;about their sex lives since age 21, and more
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;specifically, in the last year. As the figure reveals,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;1.3% reported sex with men in the past year and 5.2% at
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;some time in adulthood. Less than 1% of men had only had
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;sex with men during their lives. And 6 of every 7 who had
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;had sex with men, also reported sex with women. It's a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;much different story with inherited characteristics. Race
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;and gender are not optional lifestyles. They remain
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;immutable. The switching and experimentation demonstrated
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;in these two studies identifies homosexuality as a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;preference, not an inevitability.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;7) There are many ex-homosexuals
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Many engage in one or two homosexual experiences and
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;never do it again- a pattern reported for a third of the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;males with homosexual experience in one study. (1) And
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;then there are ex- homosexuals - those who have continued
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;in homosexual liaisons for a number of years and then
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;chose to change not only their habits, but also the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;object of their desire. Sometimes this alteration occurs
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;as the result of psychotherapy; (10) in others it is
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;prompted by a religious or spiritual conversion. (18)
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Similar to the kinds of &quot;cures&quot; achieved by drug addicts
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;and alcoholics, these treatments do not always remove
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;homosexual desire or temptation. Whatever the mechanism,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;in a 1984 study (5) almost 2% of heterosexuals reported
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;that at one time they considered themselves to be
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;homosexual. It is clear that a substantial number of
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;people are reconsidering their sexual preferences at any
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;given time.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;What causes homosexual desire?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;If homosexual impulses are not inherited, what kinds of
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;influences do cause strong homosexual desires? No one
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;answer is acceptable to all researchers in the field.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Important factors, however, seem to fall into four
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;categories. As with so many other odd sexual
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;proclivities, males appear especially susceptible: 1.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Homosexual experience:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;any homosexual experience in childhood, especially if it
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;is a first sexual experience or with an adult any
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;homosexual contact with an adult, particularly with a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;relative or authority figure (in a random survey, 5% of
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;adult homosexuals vs 0.8% of heterosexuals reported
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;childhood sexual involvements with elementary or
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;secondary school teachers (5). 2. Family abnormality,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;including the following:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;a dominant, possessive, or rejecting mother an absent,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;distant, or rejecting father a parent with homosexual
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;proclivities, particularly one who molests a child of the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;same sex a sibling with homosexual tendencies,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;particularly one who molests a brother or sister the lack
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;of a religious home environment divorce, which often
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;leads to sexual problems for both the children and the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;adults parents who model unconventional sex roles
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;condoning homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle-
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;welcoming homosexuals (e.g., co-workers, friends) into
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;the family circle 3. Unusual sexual experience,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;particularly in early childhood:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;precocious or excessive masturbation exposure to
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;pornography in childhood depersonalized sex (e.g., group
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;sex, sex with animals) or girls, sexual interaction with
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;adult males 4. Cultural influences: a visible and
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;socially approved homosexual sub-culture that invites
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;curiosity and encourages exploration pro-homosexual sex
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;education openly homosexual authority figures, such as
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;teachers (4% of Kinsey's and 4% of FRI's gays reported
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;that their first homosexual experience was with a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;teacher) societal and legal toleration of homosexual acts
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;depictions of homosexuality as normal and/or desirable
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;behavior
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Can homosexuality be changed?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Certainly. As noted above, many people have turned away
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;from homosexuality - almost as many people call
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;themselves &quot;gay.&quot; Clearly the easier problem to eliminate
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;is homosexual behavior. Just as many heterosexuals
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;control their desires to engage in premarital or
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;extramarital sex, so some with homosexual desires
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;discipline themselves to abstain from homosexual contact.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;One thing seems to stand out: Associations are all-
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;important. Anyone who wants to abstain from homosexual
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;behavior should avoid the company of practicing
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;homosexuals. There are organizations including &quot;ex-gay
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;ministries, &quot; (18) designed to help those who wish to
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;reform their conduct. Psychotherapy claims about a 30%
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;cure rate, and religious commitment seems to be the most
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;helpful factor in avoiding homosexual habits.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

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#21: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 10:32:54 by Chance Hopkins

&gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?

My girlfriend would laugh at you.

Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced sexual frustrations out
on something else (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a
hobby. Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the anger is gone.

Bye.

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#22: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 10:35:47 by John Shocked

&quot;Chance Hopkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:chance_hopkins&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">chance_hopkins&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced sexual frustrations
out
&gt; on something else (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a
&gt; hobby. Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the anger is
gone.
&gt; Bye.

What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married ?
And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his homosexual
interests began around the time of that series, somehow ?
Ok with you ?

Politics

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#23: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 11:10:02 by Roger

&quot;John Shocked&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced sexual frustrations
&gt; out
&gt;&gt; on something else (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a
&gt;&gt; hobby. Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the anger is
&gt; gone.
&gt;&gt; Bye.
&gt;
&gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married ?
&gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his homosexual
&gt; interests began around the time of that series, somehow ?
&gt; Ok with you ?

Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.


&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt;

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#24: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 11:17:29 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the anger is gone.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married ?
&gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series, somehow ?
&gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.

But you did not answer the question. What would you
say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?

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#25: Re: John... what a maroon! Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 12:34:05 by Paul Harper

On Sat, 28 May 2005 22:48:49 -0400, ToolPackinMama
&lt;<a href="mailto:laura&#64;lauragoodwin.org" target="_blank">laura&#64;lauragoodwin.org</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;John Shocked reminds me of the guy in this joke:
&gt;
&gt;Guy walks into a bar with a huge dog-turd in his hand. He shows it to
&gt;the bartender and says, &quot;Look at what I nearly stepped in!&quot;

&quot;Shocked John&quot; is one of the most obvious closet queers I have ever
come across. He makes so much noise, he is indistinguishable from the
kind of extreme right-wing gay-bashing republicans that have been
&quot;outed&quot; as total arsebandits lately.

He is exactly the sort of customer that keeps Jeff Annon in such good
business at the White House...

Paul.

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#26: Re: John... what a maroon! Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 12:35:26 by Paul Harper

On Sun, 29 May 2005 11:34:05 +0100, Paul Harper &lt;<a href="mailto:paul&#64;harper.net" target="_blank">paul&#64;harper.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Jeff Annon

&quot;Gannon&quot;, of course! Damn speilchucker....

Paul.

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#27: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 12:53:52 by John Shocked

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&gt; On Sat, 28 May 2005 22:48:49 -0400, ToolPackinMama
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:laura&#64;lauragoodwin.org" target="_blank">laura&#64;lauragoodwin.org</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;John Shocked reminds me of the guy in this joke:
&gt; &gt;Guy walks into a bar with a huge dog-turd in his hand. He shows it to
&gt; &gt;the bartender and says, &quot;Look at what I nearly stepped in!&quot;
&gt; &quot;Shocked John&quot; is one of the most obvious closet queers I have ever
&gt; come across. He makes so much noise, he is indistinguishable from the
&gt; kind of extreme right-wing gay-bashing republicans that have been

No right wing here. No Republican here, either.

&gt; &quot;outed&quot; as total arsebandits lately.
&gt; He is exactly the sort of customer that keeps Jeff Annon in such good
&gt; business at the White House...
&gt; Paul.

Here again, we hear the refrain that everyone is a homosexual. It is inside
everyone (like J. Edgar Hoover, Alexander The Great and even Abraham
Lincoln) Hollywood Homosexuals claim. It is the call of the wild that
everyone
is afraid of. Everyone is going to eventually have homosexual sex.
So stop fighting it. Right ?

Politics

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#28: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 12:54:40 by John Shocked

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&gt; On Sun, 29 May 2005 11:34:05 +0100, Paul Harper &lt;<a href="mailto:paul&#64;harper.net" target="_blank">paul&#64;harper.net</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;Jeff Annon
&gt; &quot;Gannon&quot;, of course! Damn speilchucker....
&gt; Paul.

Here again, we hear the refrain that everyone is a homosexual. It is inside
everyone (like J. Edgar Hoover, Alexander The Great and even Abraham
Lincoln) Hollywood Homosexuals claim. It is the call of the wild that
everyone
is afraid of. Everyone is going to eventually have homosexual sex.
So stop fighting it. Right ?

Politics

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#29: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 13:06:58 by Frank Franklinson

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&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the anger is gone.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt; &gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series, somehow ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt;
&gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt;
&gt; Politics

So Johnny boy, you are saying we are all weak in our sexuality, and that a
mere TV show can turn a straight person gay? Are you really that fucking
clueless? Are you telling me that you are one show away from sucking a dick?
I'm not. And no song, book, TV show, comic book, or movie is going to change
my orientation.

You really are showing you ignorance. Either that, or you just love stirring
up a bee's nest with your silly bullshit.

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#30: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 13:09:33 by Frank Franklinson

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&gt; &gt; On Sun, 29 May 2005 11:34:05 +0100, Paul Harper &lt;<a href="mailto:paul&#64;harper.net" target="_blank">paul&#64;harper.net</a>&gt;
&gt; &gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt;Jeff Annon
&gt; &gt; &quot;Gannon&quot;, of course! Damn speilchucker....
&gt; &gt; Paul.
&gt;
&gt; Here again, we hear the refrain that everyone is a homosexual. It is
inside
&gt; everyone (like J. Edgar Hoover, Alexander The Great and even Abraham
&gt; Lincoln) Hollywood Homosexuals claim. It is the call of the wild that
&gt; everyone
&gt; is afraid of. Everyone is going to eventually have homosexual sex.
&gt; So stop fighting it. Right ?
&gt;

No, not everyone. Just you.

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#31: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 13:11:44 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the anger is
gone.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married
?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series, somehow ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; So Johnny boy, you are saying we are all weak in our sexuality, and that a
&gt; mere TV show can turn a straight person gay? Are you really that fucking
&gt; clueless? Are you telling me that you are one show away from sucking a
dick?
&gt; I'm not. And no song, book, TV show, comic book, or movie is going to
change
&gt; my orientation.
&gt; You really are showing you ignorance. Either that, or you just love
stirring
&gt; up a bee's nest with your silly bullshit.

Next you will start telling us that Advertisements do not work and that
all those Billion dollar corporations who buy advertising time explicitly
in the advertising segments of your favoritge TV show are just wasting
their money, right ? No one ever takes their own hard earned cash money
out of their pocket and spends it on a product, that all they know of it is
what that paid advertisement told them, right ?

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#32: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 13:14:31 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt; &gt; On Sun, 29 May 2005 11:34:05 +0100, Paul Harper &lt;<a href="mailto:paul&#64;harper.net" target="_blank">paul&#64;harper.net</a>&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Jeff Annon
&gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;Gannon&quot;, of course! Damn speilchucker....
&gt; &gt; &gt; Paul.
&gt; &gt; Here again, we hear the refrain that everyone is a homosexual.
&gt; &gt; It is inside everyone
&gt; &gt; (like J. Edgar Hoover, Alexander The Great and even Abraham
&gt; &gt; Lincoln) Hollywood Homosexuals claim. It is the call of the wild that
&gt; &gt; everyone
&gt; &gt; is afraid of. Everyone is going to eventually have homosexual sex.
&gt; &gt; So stop fighting it. Right ?
&gt; No, not everyone. Just you.

But that is part of the untruth. It is not just me. It is anyone who
disagrees wih you and your agenda.
Everyone who disagrees with your agenda is a latent homosexual,
repressing themselves. Right ?

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#33: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 14:46:37 by FDR

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&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the anger is
&gt; gone.
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; married
&gt; ?
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series, somehow
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ?
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; So Johnny boy, you are saying we are all weak in our sexuality, and that
&gt;&gt; a
&gt;&gt; mere TV show can turn a straight person gay? Are you really that fucking
&gt;&gt; clueless? Are you telling me that you are one show away from sucking a
&gt; dick?
&gt;&gt; I'm not. And no song, book, TV show, comic book, or movie is going to
&gt; change
&gt;&gt; my orientation.
&gt;&gt; You really are showing you ignorance. Either that, or you just love
&gt; stirring
&gt;&gt; up a bee's nest with your silly bullshit.
&gt;
&gt; Next you will start telling us that Advertisements do not work and that
&gt; all those Billion dollar corporations who buy advertising time explicitly
&gt; in the advertising segments of your favoritge TV show are just wasting
&gt; their money, right ? No one ever takes their own hard earned cash money
&gt; out of their pocket and spends it on a product, that all they know of it
&gt; is
&gt; what that paid advertisement told them, right ?

Right. I buy what I need, not what the tube tells me to. Grow some balls.
Do you buy every fucking thing that you see an ad for? If you do then you
are in the extreme minority.

I hope you don't watch the WE network. All those women's shows might cause
you to have a sex change operation.

&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt;

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#34: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 14:55:38 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; married ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; So Johnny boy, you are saying we are all weak in our sexuality,
&gt; &gt;&gt; and that a mere TV show can turn a straight person gay?
&gt; &gt;&gt; Are you really that fucking clueless? Are you telling me that
&gt; &gt;&gt; you are one show away from sucking a dick?
&gt; &gt;&gt; I'm not. And no song, book, TV show, comic book, or movie
&gt; &gt;&gt; is going to change
&gt; &gt;&gt; my orientation.
&gt; &gt;&gt; You really are showing you ignorance. Either that, or you
&gt; &gt;&gt; just love stirring up a bee's nest with your silly bullshit.
&gt; &gt; Next you will start telling us that Advertisements do not work and that
&gt; &gt; all those Billion dollar corporations who buy advertising time
explicitly
&gt; &gt; in the advertising segments of your favoritge TV show are just wasting
&gt; &gt; their money, right ? No one ever takes their own hard earned cash
&gt; &gt; money out of their pocket and spends it on a product, that all they
&gt; &gt; know of it is what that paid advertisement told them, right ?
&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; Right. I buy what I need, not what the tube tells me to. Grow some
balls.
&gt; Do you buy every fucking thing that you see an ad for? If you do then you
&gt; are in the extreme minority.
&gt; I hope you don't watch the WE network. All those women's shows
&gt; might cause you to have a sex change operation.

Are you admitting that the Billions of dollars of corporate advertisements
spent each year on TV work or not ?

Politics

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#35: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 15:32:18 by Frank Franklinson

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&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; married ?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series,
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; So Johnny boy, you are saying we are all weak in our sexuality,
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; and that a mere TV show can turn a straight person gay?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Are you really that fucking clueless? Are you telling me that
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; you are one show away from sucking a dick?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; I'm not. And no song, book, TV show, comic book, or movie
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; is going to change
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; my orientation.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; You really are showing you ignorance. Either that, or you
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; just love stirring up a bee's nest with your silly bullshit.
&gt; &gt; &gt; Next you will start telling us that Advertisements do not work and
that
&gt; &gt; &gt; all those Billion dollar corporations who buy advertising time
&gt; explicitly
&gt; &gt; &gt; in the advertising segments of your favoritge TV show are just wasting
&gt; &gt; &gt; their money, right ? No one ever takes their own hard earned cash
&gt; &gt; &gt; money out of their pocket and spends it on a product, that all they
&gt; &gt; &gt; know of it is what that paid advertisement told them, right ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; Right. I buy what I need, not what the tube tells me to. Grow some
&gt; balls.
&gt; &gt; Do you buy every fucking thing that you see an ad for? If you do then
you
&gt; &gt; are in the extreme minority.
&gt; &gt; I hope you don't watch the WE network. All those women's shows
&gt; &gt; might cause you to have a sex change operation.
&gt;
&gt; Are you admitting that the Billions of dollars of corporate advertisements
&gt; spent each year on TV work or not ?
&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;

They don't work on me. I buy what I need, and what I want. A flashy underarm
deoderant commercial isn't going to change the fact that I know what works
best for me.

And if you really see BSG as an advertisement for homosexuality, then you
really have some serious emotional problems.

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#36: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 15:44:49 by Frank Franklinson

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&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Sun, 29 May 2005 11:34:05 +0100, Paul Harper &lt;<a href="mailto:paul&#64;harper.net" target="_blank">paul&#64;harper.net</a>&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Jeff Annon
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;Gannon&quot;, of course! Damn speilchucker....
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Paul.
&gt; &gt; &gt; Here again, we hear the refrain that everyone is a homosexual.
&gt; &gt; &gt; It is inside everyone
&gt; &gt; &gt; (like J. Edgar Hoover, Alexander The Great and even Abraham
&gt; &gt; &gt; Lincoln) Hollywood Homosexuals claim. It is the call of the wild
that
&gt; &gt; &gt; everyone
&gt; &gt; &gt; is afraid of. Everyone is going to eventually have homosexual sex.
&gt; &gt; &gt; So stop fighting it. Right ?
&gt; &gt; No, not everyone. Just you.
&gt;
&gt; But that is part of the untruth. It is not just me. It is anyone who
&gt; disagrees wih you and your agenda.
&gt; Everyone who disagrees with your agenda is a latent homosexual,
&gt; repressing themselves. Right ?
&gt;

My agenda, you sick messed up freak, is to enjoy some good sci-fi on TV.
Please let us know what f'd up church you go to, what religion you belong
to, that has you so screwed up that you see homosexual conspiracies in BSG.
Please tell us, so we can steer our children away from you and your illness.

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#37: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 16:52:25 by Ramsesthegreat

There's no gay shows there.

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&gt; ===================================
&gt; News Bulletin from www.scifi.com :
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html" target="_blank">http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; ==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt; Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt; Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt; created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt; bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt; The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt; themes and issues.
&gt; The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt; manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt; awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt; categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt; The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt; Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
follows.
&gt; Best Novel
&gt; . The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt; Best Short Fiction
&gt; . &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt; Best Other Work
&gt; . Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt; . Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and Michael
Lark
&gt; =====================================
&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

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#38: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 17:22:22 by Jim Phillips

On Sun, 29 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:

&gt; &quot;Chance Hopkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:chance_hopkins&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">chance_hopkins&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced sexual frustrations
&gt; out
&gt; &gt; on something else (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a
&gt; &gt; hobby. Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the anger is
&gt; gone.
&gt; &gt; Bye.
&gt;
&gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married ?

&quot;Whatever your mother told you, I'm not your father.&quot;
&quot;Congratulations--I hope you two will be as happy as your mother &amp; I are.&quot;
&quot;Make sure you hire security for the ceremony--there are a lot of people who
hate homosexuals for some strange reason.&quot;

&gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his homosexual
&gt; interests began around the time of that series, somehow ?

&quot;How did BSG generate homosexual interests in you?&quot;

&gt; Ok with you ?

Yes.
So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?

--
Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
&quot;The only reason my wife and I got married in the first place was because
it was something gays couldn't do. Our wedding was conceived entirely as a
giant homosexual taunt. But now the vows I made to my wife seem as shallow
and empty as the vows I made to my three previous wives.&quot;
-- Stephen Colbert, Senior Moral Authority, &quot;The Daily Show&quot;

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#39: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 17:23:06 by Jim Phillips

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&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the anger is gone.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt; &gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series, somehow ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt;
&gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?

&quot;How did it happen?&quot;

--
Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
&quot;The only reason my wife and I got married in the first place was because
it was something gays couldn't do. Our wedding was conceived entirely as a
giant homosexual taunt. But now the vows I made to my wife seem as shallow
and empty as the vows I made to my three previous wives.&quot;
-- Stephen Colbert, Senior Moral Authority, &quot;The Daily Show&quot;

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#40: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 17:33:50 by FDR

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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; married ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; So Johnny boy, you are saying we are all weak in our sexuality,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and that a mere TV show can turn a straight person gay?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Are you really that fucking clueless? Are you telling me that
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you are one show away from sucking a dick?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I'm not. And no song, book, TV show, comic book, or movie
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; is going to change
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; my orientation.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; You really are showing you ignorance. Either that, or you
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; just love stirring up a bee's nest with your silly bullshit.
&gt;&gt; &gt; Next you will start telling us that Advertisements do not work and that
&gt;&gt; &gt; all those Billion dollar corporations who buy advertising time
&gt; explicitly
&gt;&gt; &gt; in the advertising segments of your favoritge TV show are just wasting
&gt;&gt; &gt; their money, right ? No one ever takes their own hard earned cash
&gt;&gt; &gt; money out of their pocket and spends it on a product, that all they
&gt;&gt; &gt; know of it is what that paid advertisement told them, right ?
&gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; Right. I buy what I need, not what the tube tells me to. Grow some
&gt; balls.
&gt;&gt; Do you buy every fucking thing that you see an ad for? If you do then
&gt;&gt; you
&gt;&gt; are in the extreme minority.
&gt;&gt; I hope you don't watch the WE network. All those women's shows
&gt;&gt; might cause you to have a sex change operation.
&gt;
&gt; Are you admitting that the Billions of dollars of corporate advertisements
&gt; spent each year on TV work or not ?

I think that they are largely a waste of money.

&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt;

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#41: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 18:28:37 by Rex Manteca

Jim Phillips wrote:
&gt; On Sun, 29 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
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&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt;&gt;&gt;Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced sexual frustrations
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;out
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;on something else (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a
&gt;&gt;&gt;hobby. Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the anger is
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;gone.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Bye.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt;&gt;tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married ?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Whatever your mother told you, I'm not your father.&quot;
&gt; &quot;Congratulations--I hope you two will be as happy as your mother &amp; I are.&quot;
&gt; &quot;Make sure you hire security for the ceremony--there are a lot of people who
&gt; hate homosexuals for some strange reason.&quot;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his homosexual
&gt;&gt;interests began around the time of that series, somehow ?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &quot;How did BSG generate homosexual interests in you?&quot;
&gt;

Found himself sexually attracted to Cmdr Adama.

&gt;

&gt;Ok with you ?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Yes.
&gt; So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt;

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#42: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 20:44:26 by Snake

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&gt; My agenda, you sick messed up freak, is to enjoy some good sci-fi on TV.
&gt; Please let us know what f'd up church you go to, what religion you belong
&gt; to, that has you so screwed up that you see homosexual conspiracies in
&gt; BSG.
&gt; Please tell us, so we can steer our children away from you and your
&gt; illness.

And be able to call him the disgusting, vile, decaying obnoxious evil
worshiping hypocrite that he is due to preaching hate (against gays)...when
almost all religions preach love, regardless of personal detriments.

I would like to see him, and the people like him, deny that ALL the
mainstream religions preach love above all. All the right-wing neo-Naz...
born-agains talk of Leviticus and Sodom but then if they bothered **tell the
trust, and learn how to read** the Bible speaks of homosexuality 7 times as
a sin --- and at the same time sleeping with a woman except for the direct
act of procreation as a sin 367 times. While, at the /same time/, preaching
love as only (your) god can pass judgement on the day of atonement. You are
conveniently forgetting all that, aren't you??

So, John, who's the bigger sinner???????????????????

Please stick your head up your own rear, and keep pushing. If you push hard
enough your ass will swallow you whole and you'll phase out of existence.

Your ass seems big enough. You always seem to be talking out of it.

When you learn something about religions, and their real meaning - not how
you and your hypocrite god-twisting vile cronies tell you to - come back and
have a genuine discussion.

In the meantime, 6 year olds should not have uncontrolled computer access.
So GET OFF.

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#43: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 22:45:05 by Chance Hopkins

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&gt; Are you admitting that the Billions of dollars of corporate advertisements
&gt; spent each year on TV work or not ?
&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt;

In the manner you suggest, no.

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#44: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 23:06:20 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Sun, 29 May 2005 11:34:05 +0100, Paul Harper &lt;<a href="mailto:paul&#64;harper.net" target="_blank">paul&#64;harper.net</a>&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Jeff Annon
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;Gannon&quot;, of course! Damn speilchucker....
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Paul.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Here again, we hear the refrain that everyone is a homosexual.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; It is inside everyone
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; (like J. Edgar Hoover, Alexander The Great and even Abraham
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Lincoln) Hollywood Homosexuals claim. It is the call of
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the wild that everyone is afraid of.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Everyone is going to eventually have homosexual sex.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; So stop fighting it. Right ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; No, not everyone. Just you.
&gt; &gt; But that is part of the untruth. It is not just me. It is anyone who
&gt; &gt; disagrees wih you and your agenda.
&gt; &gt; Everyone who disagrees with your agenda is a latent homosexual,
&gt; &gt; repressing themselves. Right ?
&gt; My agenda, you sick messed up freak, is to enjoy some good sci-fi on TV.
&gt; Please let us know what f'd up church you go to, what religion you belong
&gt; to, that has you so screwed up that you see homosexual conspiracies in
BSG.
&gt; Please tell us, so we can steer our children away from you and your
illness.

I do not have a church and I have no interest in religion.
The fact that sodomy is disgusting and immoral has nothing to do
with established religion. Would you like to watch bestiality in the
middle of your science fiction show too ?

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#45: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-29 23:19:34 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt; My agenda, you sick messed up freak, is to enjoy some good sci-fi on TV.
&gt; &gt; Please let us know what f'd up church you go to, what religion you
belong
&gt; &gt; to, that has you so screwed up that you see homosexual conspiracies in
&gt; &gt; BSG.
&gt; &gt; Please tell us, so we can steer our children away from you and your
&gt; &gt; illness.
&gt; And be able to call him the disgusting, vile, decaying obnoxious evil
&gt; worshiping hypocrite that he is due to preaching hate (against
gays)...when
&gt; almost all religions preach love, regardless of personal detriments.
&gt; I would like to see him, and the people like him, deny that ALL the
&gt; mainstream religions preach love above all. All the right-wing neo-Naz...
&gt; born-agains talk of Leviticus and Sodom but then if they bothered **tell
the
&gt; trust, and learn how to read** the Bible speaks of homosexuality 7 times
as
&gt; a sin --- and at the same time sleeping with a woman except for the direct
&gt; act of procreation as a sin 367 times. While, at the /same time/,
preaching
&gt; love as only (your) god can pass judgement on the day of atonement.
&gt; You are conveniently forgetting all that, aren't you??

You should read my posts which are based here on the
alt.battlestar-galactica Newsgroup. I have no interest in religion
and my opinions in this area have nothing to do with religion.

&gt; So, John, who's the bigger sinner???????????????????
&gt; Please stick your head up your own rear, and keep pushing. If you push
hard
&gt; enough your ass will swallow you whole and you'll phase out of existence.
&gt; Your ass seems big enough. You always seem to be talking out of it.
&gt; When you learn something about religions, and their real meaning - not how
&gt; you and your hypocrite god-twisting vile cronies tell you to - come back
and
&gt; have a genuine discussion.
&gt; In the meantime, 6 year olds should not have uncontrolled computer access.
&gt; So GET OFF.

During these 6 weeks I have gone to the Bible and read parts of the story
of Sodom and Gomorrah, in which God kills all of the people in those
towns because they engaged in Sodomy. Thus the morality of the time
when the Bible and various other bible like documents were written
clearly barred Sodomy.

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#46: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 01:33:32 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexually married ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; So Johnny boy, you are saying we are all weak in our sexuality,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; and that a mere TV show can turn a straight person gay?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Are you really that fucking clueless? Are you telling me that
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; you are one show away from sucking a dick?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; I'm not. And no song, book, TV show, comic book, or movie
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; is going to change
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; my orientation.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; You really are showing you ignorance. Either that, or you
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; just love stirring up a bee's nest with your silly bullshit.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Next you will start telling us that Advertisements do not
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; work and that all those Billion dollar corporations who
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; buy advertising time explicitly in the advertising segments
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; of your favoritge TV show are just wasting
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; their money, right ? No one ever takes their own hard earned cash
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; money out of their pocket and spends it on a product, that all they
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; know of it is what that paid advertisement told them, right ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; &gt; Right. I buy what I need, not what the tube tells me to.
&gt; &gt; &gt; Grow some balls.
&gt; &gt; &gt; Do you buy every fucking thing that you see an ad for?
&gt; &gt; &gt; If you do then you are in the extreme minority.
&gt; &gt; &gt; I hope you don't watch the WE network. All those women's
&gt; &gt; &gt; shows might cause you to have a sex change operation.
&gt; &gt; Are you admitting that the Billions of dollars of corporate
&gt; &gt; advertisements spent each year on TV work or not ?
&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; They don't work on me. I buy what I need, and what I want.
&gt; A flashy underarm deoderant commercial isn't going to change
&gt; the fact that I know what works best for me.
&gt; And if you really see BSG as an advertisement for homosexuality,
&gt; then you really have some serious emotional problems.

Again, the personal attack is no substitute for a cogent argument.
Again, do you think these billion dollar corporations are wasting their
money buying advertising time on these same shows for their overtly
advertised products ?

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#47: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 01:40:03 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; married ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; So Johnny boy, you are saying we are all weak in our sexuality,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and that a mere TV show can turn a straight person gay?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Are you really that fucking clueless? Are you telling me that
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you are one show away from sucking a dick?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I'm not. And no song, book, TV show, comic book, or movie
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; is going to change
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; my orientation.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; You really are showing you ignorance. Either that, or you
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; just love stirring up a bee's nest with your silly bullshit.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Next you will start telling us that Advertisements do not work
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; and that all those Billion dollar corporations who buy advertising
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; time explicitly in the advertising segments of your favorite
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; TV show are just wasting their money, right ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; No one ever takes their own hard earned cash
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; money out of their pocket and spends it on a product, that all they
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; know of it is what that paid advertisement told them, right ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; Right. I buy what I need, not what the tube tells me to.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Grow some balls.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Do you buy every fucking thing that you see an ad for? If you do then
&gt; &gt;&gt; you are in the extreme minority.
&gt; &gt;&gt; I hope you don't watch the WE network. All those women's shows
&gt; &gt;&gt; might cause you to have a sex change operation.
&gt; &gt; Are you admitting that the Billions of dollars of corporate
&gt; &gt; advertisements spent each year on TV work or not ?
&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; I think that they are largely a waste of money.

The corporations have people working for them who are paid a lot
more money than you are and they all disagree with you. All of
these Vice-Presidents of huge billion dollar corporations believe
that advertisements during your favorite TV show do work, and
they spend $Billions per year on it.
How could you be right, and all of these Vice Presidents who monitor
the effect of each and every advertisement and have read all the
psychological and sociological studies, papers and surveys, be wrong ?

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#48: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 01:42:55 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt; Are you admitting that the Billions of dollars of corporate
advertisements
&gt; &gt; spent each year on TV work or not ?
&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; In the manner you suggest, no.

The corporations have people working for them who are paid a lot
more money than you are and they all disagree with you. All of
these Vice-Presidents of huge billion dollar corporations believe
that advertisements during your favorite TV show do work, and
they spend $Billions per year on it.
How could you be right, and all of these Vice Presidents who monitor
the effect of each and every advertisement and have read all the
psychological and sociological studies, papers and surveys, be wrong ?

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#49: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 01:52:44 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the anger is
gone.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married
?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series, somehow ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt; &quot;How did it happen?&quot;

I just told you. BSG and other science fiction series turned your Son
to Sodomy and homosexual marriage. What would be your reaction ?
&quot;Freedom is so great !&quot; ?

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#50: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 02:00:00 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt; &gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced sexual
&gt; &gt; &gt; frustrations out on something else (not your dog or any other
&gt; &gt; &gt; animals please). Go get a hobby. Try running. You can run
&gt; &gt; &gt; and run and run, til all the anger is gone.
&gt; &gt; &gt; Bye.
&gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married ?
&gt; &quot;Whatever your mother told you, I'm not your father.&quot;
&gt; &quot;Congratulations--I hope you two will be as happy as your mother &amp; I
are.&quot;
&gt; &quot;Make sure you hire security for the ceremony--there are a lot of
&gt; people who hate homosexuals for some strange reason.&quot;

Sure you would say that.
What is more, I am sure that people are more offended by homosexuals
defiling the whole idea of marriage, which has
Child Procreation and Nurturing as its goal, with the smear of a
homosexual sex act like Sodomy.

&gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series, somehow ?
&gt; &quot;How did BSG generate homosexual interests in you?&quot;

Let us say that he thought Apollo was the hero of the show
and he thought Apollo was a homosexual.

&gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; Yes.
&gt; So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?

It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.

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#51: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 02:05:48 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt; On Sun, 29 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:
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&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;(not your dog or any other animals please).
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Go get a hobby. Try running. You can run and run and run,
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; til all the anger is gone.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;Bye.
&gt; &gt;&gt;What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt; &gt;&gt;tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married ?
&gt; &gt; &quot;Whatever your mother told you, I'm not your father.&quot;
&gt; &gt; &quot;Congratulations--I hope you two will be as happy as your mother &amp; I
are.&quot;
&gt; &gt; &quot;Make sure you hire security for the ceremony--there are a lot of people
who
&gt; &gt; hate homosexuals for some strange reason.&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt;And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his homosexual
&gt; &gt;&gt;interests began around the time of that series, somehow ?
&gt; &gt; &quot;How did BSG generate homosexual interests in you?&quot;
&gt; Found himself sexually attracted to Cmdr Adama.

Let us say he thought Apollo was the hero of the series and
he thought Apollo was a homosexual.

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&gt; &gt;Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt; Yes.
&gt; &gt; So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?

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#52: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 02:06:53 by John Shocked

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&gt; To turn them into parrots of himself.

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==========search 2/3 down page==========
Gaylactic Awards Presented
Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
themes and issues.
The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
categories for works originally released in 2003.
The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners follows.
Best Novel
.. The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
Best Short Fiction
.. &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
Best Other Work
.. Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
.. Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and Michael Lark
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#53: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 02:08:37 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt; ==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt; &gt; Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt; &gt; Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt; &gt; created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt; &gt; bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt; &gt; The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt; &gt; themes and issues.
&gt; &gt; The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt; &gt; manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt; &gt; awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt; &gt; categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt; &gt; The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt; &gt; Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
&gt; follows.
&gt; &gt; Best Novel
&gt; &gt; . The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt; &gt; Best Short Fiction
&gt; &gt; . &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt; &gt; Best Other Work
&gt; &gt; . Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt; &gt; . Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and Michael
&gt; Lark
&gt; &gt; =====================================
&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; There's no gay shows there.

No homosexual shows where ?

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#54: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 03:13:04 by FDR

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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; married ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; So Johnny boy, you are saying we are all weak in our sexuality,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and that a mere TV show can turn a straight person gay?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Are you really that fucking clueless? Are you telling me that
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you are one show away from sucking a dick?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I'm not. And no song, book, TV show, comic book, or movie
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; is going to change
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; my orientation.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; You really are showing you ignorance. Either that, or you
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; just love stirring up a bee's nest with your silly bullshit.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Next you will start telling us that Advertisements do not work
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; and that all those Billion dollar corporations who buy advertising
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; time explicitly in the advertising segments of your favorite
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; TV show are just wasting their money, right ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; No one ever takes their own hard earned cash
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; money out of their pocket and spends it on a product, that all they
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; know of it is what that paid advertisement told them, right ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Right. I buy what I need, not what the tube tells me to.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Grow some balls.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Do you buy every fucking thing that you see an ad for? If you do then
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you are in the extreme minority.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I hope you don't watch the WE network. All those women's shows
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; might cause you to have a sex change operation.
&gt;&gt; &gt; Are you admitting that the Billions of dollars of corporate
&gt;&gt; &gt; advertisements spent each year on TV work or not ?
&gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; I think that they are largely a waste of money.
&gt;
&gt; The corporations have people working for them who are paid a lot
&gt; more money than you are and they all disagree with you. All of
&gt; these Vice-Presidents of huge billion dollar corporations believe
&gt; that advertisements during your favorite TV show do work, and
&gt; they spend $Billions per year on it.
&gt; How could you be right, and all of these Vice Presidents who monitor
&gt; the effect of each and every advertisement and have read all the
&gt; psychological and sociological studies, papers and surveys, be wrong ?

Have you seen how dumb the commercials are? I don't care how many billions
are spent, dumb is dumb and a waste of money is a waste of money.

&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt;

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#55: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 03:16:33 by FDR

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&gt; ===================================
&gt; News Bulletin from www.scifi.com :
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html" target="_blank">http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; ==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt; Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt; Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt; created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt; bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt; The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt; themes and issues.
&gt; The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt; manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt; awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt; categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt; The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt; Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
&gt; follows.
&gt; Best Novel
&gt; . The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt; Best Short Fiction
&gt; . &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt; Best Other Work
&gt; . Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt; . Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and Michael
&gt; Lark
&gt; =====================================
&gt;
&gt; Politics

You're anti-gay postings are affecting my brain. I have now turned into an
ultra-conservative, gay hating bigot. Your work is done. Your message is
much more powerful than broadcast tv. I will now hate tv, BSG and gays as
much as you. Do you have any further commands for me master?

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#56: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 03:59:15 by Frank Franklinson

&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt; Yes.
&gt; &gt; So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt;
&gt; It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt;

Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that. The
howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on desperate housewives
could be that. The hundreds or thousands of priests who like to play with
little boys could be that. The book I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a
few times could be that. Saying, &quot;God damnit&quot; could be that. Drinking and
smoking could be that.

So where does it end, and who gets to write the rules? You? So, you say you
dont' read the bible...you are Moslem. I have never, in all my years, met a
person with a sickness such as yours, who wasn't a religious fanatic.

Yeah, some of the things I listed above (f'ing priests) are unacceptable to
everyone except the very sick. Others, like using the world hell, are looked
down upon by christian fundamentalists.

So where is the line drawn?

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#57: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 05:16:56 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a
hobby.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be
homosexually
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; married ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how
his
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; So Johnny boy, you are saying we are all weak in our sexuality,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and that a mere TV show can turn a straight person gay?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Are you really that fucking clueless? Are you telling me that
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you are one show away from sucking a dick?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I'm not. And no song, book, TV show, comic book, or movie
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; is going to change
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; my orientation.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; You really are showing you ignorance. Either that, or you
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; just love stirring up a bee's nest with your silly bullshit.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Next you will start telling us that Advertisements do not work
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; and that all those Billion dollar corporations who buy advertising
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; time explicitly in the advertising segments of your favorite
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; TV show are just wasting their money, right ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; No one ever takes their own hard earned cash
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; money out of their pocket and spends it on a product, that all
they
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; know of it is what that paid advertisement told them, right ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Right. I buy what I need, not what the tube tells me to.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Grow some balls.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Do you buy every fucking thing that you see an ad for? If you do
then
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you are in the extreme minority.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I hope you don't watch the WE network. All those women's shows
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; might cause you to have a sex change operation.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Are you admitting that the Billions of dollars of corporate
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; advertisements spent each year on TV work or not ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; I think that they are largely a waste of money.
&gt; &gt; The corporations have people working for them who are paid a lot
&gt; &gt; more money than you are and they all disagree with you. All of
&gt; &gt; these Vice-Presidents of huge billion dollar corporations believe
&gt; &gt; that advertisements during your favorite TV show do work, and
&gt; &gt; they spend $Billions per year on it.
&gt; &gt; How could you be right, and all of these Vice Presidents who monitor
&gt; &gt; the effect of each and every advertisement and have read all the
&gt; &gt; psychological and sociological studies, papers and surveys, be wrong ?
&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; Have you seen how dumb the commercials are? I don't care how many
billions
&gt; are spent, dumb is dumb and a waste of money is a waste of money.

So you are claiming you are right and all these billion dollar corporation
buying these TV advertisements are wrong: TV advertisements do not
work, according to you ?

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#58: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 05:25:23 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; Yes.
&gt; &gt; &gt; So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt; &gt; It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt; Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt; The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt; desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt; priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt; I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt; Saying, &quot;God damnit&quot; could be that. Drinking and smoking could be that.

Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
11 out of 11 US States.

&gt; So where does it end, and who gets to write the rules? You? So, you say
you
&gt; dont' read the bible...you are Moslem. I have never, in all my years, met
a
&gt; person with a sickness such as yours, who wasn't a religious fanatic.

I already stated I have no interest in any religion.

&gt; Yeah, some of the things I listed above (f'ing priests) are unacceptable
to
&gt; everyone except the very sick. Others, like using the world hell, are
looked
&gt; down upon by christian fundamentalists.
&gt; So where is the line drawn?

These deviant persons can watch these items on tapes in the privacy of
their own homes, but people have a right not to have their communities
defiled by deviant content.
I doubt the average Republican agrees with this by the way, because
they receive huge amounts of contributions from Hollywood Homosexual
Neo-Conservatives.

===========================================

Wrong. The Right has changed dramatically, to the point that there is a new
political group or cult called Neo-Conservatives, who love Sodomy, and they
are in control of our Bush government right now.
They are essentially similar to regular Conservatives, except they have no
religious compunctions about Sodomy and they want to murder as many
Arabs as US tax money can buy.

Hollywood Homosexuals are a very similar group to the group well known
as Neo-Conservatives or Neo-Cons.
They generally are Conservatives who believe vehemently in Sodomy,
Israel and Individual Rights for people to engage in any kind of
behavior they want, with no moral societal rules.
Since most people do not know what a Neo-Conservative is and there
still exists some debate about their views, I use &quot;Hollywood Homosexuals&quot;
instead, because it directly addresses what I am concerned about and
is easier to understand.

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_%28United_States%29" target="_blank"> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_%28United_State s%29</a>

<a href="http://www.hppub.com/dadtseq/gaycon.htm" target="_blank">http://www.hppub.com/dadtseq/gaycon.htm</a>

Neo-Conservatives are the main propellants in this country of the
extermination of Arabs in the Middle East.
They are the ones who contributed huge amounts of money to Bush
and to the Conservative Think Tanks to develop the anti-Iraq coalition
and many people believe they have hijacked US Foreign Policy.
And Neo-Conservatives support Sodomy big time.

Read this:
<a href="http://www.fpif.org/papers/2004evangelical.html" target="_blank">http://www.fpif.org/papers/2004evangelical.html</a>

========excerpt==================
Finally, the Christian right's access to power has been greatly
aided by the ties it has developed with neoconservatives
influential within the present administration. Neoconservative
intellectuals, many of them Jewish, may seem unlikely allies
for the Christian right, but this partnership has developed
across several issue areas. The most important basis for
this partnership is a common support for Israel or, to put
it more accurately, for the Likud Party's vision of Israel's
interests. The Christian right's support for Israel harks back
to the movement's beginnings in the late 1970s, but it has
risen to a higher level in the last few years. The 2002 annual
convention of the Christian Coalition culminated in a rally
for Israel, and Ralph Reed and Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein
recently founded a new group, Stand for Israel. Meanwhile,
throughout Christian right media, criticism of the Palestinians
and support for hard-line Israeli policies has grown more intense.
===========end of excerpt==========

Thus, BSG selling Sodomy to your Son has a lot of support within
Washington, even though the Bush admninistration claims to be
super religious. Money Talks, and the Neo-Conservatives haves
tons and tons of money to buy politicians.

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#59: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 05:27:40 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt; News Bulletin from www.scifi.com :
&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html" target="_blank">http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html</a>
&gt; &gt; ==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt; &gt; Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt; &gt; Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt; &gt; created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt; &gt; bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt; &gt; The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt; &gt; themes and issues.
&gt; &gt; The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt; &gt; manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt; &gt; awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt; &gt; categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt; &gt; The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt; &gt; Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
&gt; &gt; follows.
&gt; &gt; Best Novel
&gt; &gt; . The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt; &gt; Best Short Fiction
&gt; &gt; . &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt; &gt; Best Other Work
&gt; &gt; . Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt; &gt; . Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and Michael
&gt; &gt; Lark
&gt; &gt; =====================================
&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; You're anti-gay postings are affecting my brain. I have now turned into
an
&gt; ultra-conservative, gay hating bigot. Your work is done. Your message is
&gt; much more powerful than broadcast tv. I will now hate tv, BSG and gays as
&gt; much as you. Do you have any further commands for me master?

If you hate Homosexuals, you must already have hated them,
because nothing in what I have stated in any way encourages Hate
of any kind.

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#60: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 05:41:09 by FDR

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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a
&gt; hobby.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be
&gt; homosexually
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; married ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how
&gt; his
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; So Johnny boy, you are saying we are all weak in our sexuality,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and that a mere TV show can turn a straight person gay?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Are you really that fucking clueless? Are you telling me that
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you are one show away from sucking a dick?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I'm not. And no song, book, TV show, comic book, or movie
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; is going to change
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; my orientation.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; You really are showing you ignorance. Either that, or you
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; just love stirring up a bee's nest with your silly bullshit.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Next you will start telling us that Advertisements do not work
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; and that all those Billion dollar corporations who buy
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; advertising
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; time explicitly in the advertising segments of your favorite
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; TV show are just wasting their money, right ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; No one ever takes their own hard earned cash
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; money out of their pocket and spends it on a product, that all
&gt; they
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; know of it is what that paid advertisement told them, right ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Right. I buy what I need, not what the tube tells me to.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Grow some balls.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Do you buy every fucking thing that you see an ad for? If you do
&gt; then
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you are in the extreme minority.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I hope you don't watch the WE network. All those women's shows
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; might cause you to have a sex change operation.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Are you admitting that the Billions of dollars of corporate
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; advertisements spent each year on TV work or not ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I think that they are largely a waste of money.
&gt;&gt; &gt; The corporations have people working for them who are paid a lot
&gt;&gt; &gt; more money than you are and they all disagree with you. All of
&gt;&gt; &gt; these Vice-Presidents of huge billion dollar corporations believe
&gt;&gt; &gt; that advertisements during your favorite TV show do work, and
&gt;&gt; &gt; they spend $Billions per year on it.
&gt;&gt; &gt; How could you be right, and all of these Vice Presidents who monitor
&gt;&gt; &gt; the effect of each and every advertisement and have read all the
&gt;&gt; &gt; psychological and sociological studies, papers and surveys, be wrong ?
&gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; Have you seen how dumb the commercials are? I don't care how many
&gt; billions
&gt;&gt; are spent, dumb is dumb and a waste of money is a waste of money.
&gt;
&gt; So you are claiming you are right and all these billion dollar corporation
&gt; buying these TV advertisements are wrong: TV advertisements do not
&gt; work, according to you ?

Let's see. Coke runs an ad to buy their soda, then Pepsi, then 7 up then Dr.
Pepper then Sierra Mist, then diet Coke and diet Pepsi etc....

So according to you, since these corporations spent billions advertising and
since they must be right, that I must be gullible enough as a consumer to
buy every single soda product that they advertise?



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&gt;
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#61: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 05:43:51 by FDR

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&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Yes.
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt;&gt; &gt; It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt;&gt; Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt;&gt; The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt;&gt; desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt;&gt; priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt;&gt; I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt;&gt; Saying, &quot;God damnit&quot; could be that. Drinking and smoking could be that.
&gt;
&gt; Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
&gt; against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
&gt; 11 out of 11 US States.

People do have more than one channel on their tv? Do their tv's also have
on/off buttons?

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#62: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 05:45:04 by FDR

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&gt;&gt; &gt; News Bulletin from www.scifi.com :
&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html" target="_blank">http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html</a>
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&gt;&gt; &gt; Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt;&gt; &gt; Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt;&gt; &gt; created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt;&gt; &gt; bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt;&gt; &gt; The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt;&gt; &gt; themes and issues.
&gt;&gt; &gt; The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt;&gt; &gt; manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt;&gt; &gt; awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt;&gt; &gt; categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt;&gt; &gt; The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt;&gt; &gt; Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
&gt;&gt; &gt; follows.
&gt;&gt; &gt; Best Novel
&gt;&gt; &gt; . The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt;&gt; &gt; Best Short Fiction
&gt;&gt; &gt; . &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt;&gt; &gt; Best Other Work
&gt;&gt; &gt; . Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt;&gt; &gt; . Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and Michael
&gt;&gt; &gt; Lark
&gt;&gt; &gt; =====================================
&gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; You're anti-gay postings are affecting my brain. I have now turned into
&gt; an
&gt;&gt; ultra-conservative, gay hating bigot. Your work is done. Your message
&gt;&gt; is
&gt;&gt; much more powerful than broadcast tv. I will now hate tv, BSG and gays
&gt;&gt; as
&gt;&gt; much as you. Do you have any further commands for me master?
&gt;
&gt; If you hate Homosexuals, you must already have hated them,
&gt; because nothing in what I have stated in any way encourages Hate
&gt; of any kind.

I thought you described it as deviant? Should we not hate deviant behavior?

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#63: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 06:05:18 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a
&gt; &gt; hobby.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few
years
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be
&gt; &gt; homosexually
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; married ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how
&gt; &gt; his
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that
series,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; So Johnny boy, you are saying we are all weak in our
sexuality,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and that a mere TV show can turn a straight person gay?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Are you really that fucking clueless? Are you telling me that
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you are one show away from sucking a dick?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I'm not. And no song, book, TV show, comic book, or movie
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; is going to change
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; my orientation.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; You really are showing you ignorance. Either that, or you
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; just love stirring up a bee's nest with your silly bullshit.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Next you will start telling us that Advertisements do not work
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; and that all those Billion dollar corporations who buy
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; advertising
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; time explicitly in the advertising segments of your favorite
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; TV show are just wasting their money, right ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; No one ever takes their own hard earned cash
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; money out of their pocket and spends it on a product, that all
&gt; &gt; they
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; know of it is what that paid advertisement told them, right ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Right. I buy what I need, not what the tube tells me to.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Grow some balls.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Do you buy every fucking thing that you see an ad for? If you do
&gt; &gt; then
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you are in the extreme minority.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I hope you don't watch the WE network. All those women's shows
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; might cause you to have a sex change operation.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Are you admitting that the Billions of dollars of corporate
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; advertisements spent each year on TV work or not ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I think that they are largely a waste of money.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The corporations have people working for them who are paid a lot
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; more money than you are and they all disagree with you. All of
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; these Vice-Presidents of huge billion dollar corporations believe
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; that advertisements during your favorite TV show do work, and
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; they spend $Billions per year on it.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; How could you be right, and all of these Vice Presidents who
monitor
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; the effect of each and every advertisement and have read all the
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; psychological and sociological studies, papers and surveys, be wrong
?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; Have you seen how dumb the commercials are? I don't care how
&gt; &gt;&gt; many billions are spent, dumb is dumb and a waste of money is a
&gt; &gt;&gt; waste of money.
&gt; &gt; So you are claiming you are right and all these billion dollar
corporation
&gt; &gt; buying these TV advertisements are wrong: TV advertisements do not
&gt; &gt; work, according to you ?
&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; Let's see. Coke runs an ad to buy their soda, then Pepsi, then 7 up then
Dr.
&gt; Pepper then Sierra Mist, then diet Coke and diet Pepsi etc....
&gt; So according to you, since these corporations spent billions advertising
and
&gt; since they must be right, that I must be gullible enough as a consumer to
&gt; buy every single soda product that they advertise?

When one company sees weakness in the market position of a competitor
or sees a reduction in drinking of hard liquor in studies or some other
market opportunity, they run advertisements to increase their share
of the marketplace. At that point, their soft drink competitors realize
that those advertisements will work, so they competein advertising,
just to hold onto their portion of the marketplace.
This proves that these corporations know advertising works.
There is one problem this points up: when Hollywood Homosexuals
run their advertisements to boost public intake of Sodomy, we the public
have no discretionary advertising budgets to run competing advertisements
to negate the effect of the Hollywood Homosexual advertisements which
are surreptitiously hidden in the content of their TV series. like BSG.

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#64: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 06:05:33 by Hecubus

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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; hobby.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexually married ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; So Johnny boy, you are saying we are all weak in our sexuality,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and that a mere TV show can turn a straight person gay?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Are you really that fucking clueless? Are you telling me that
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you are one show away from sucking a dick?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I'm not. And no song, book, TV show, comic book, or movie
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; is going to change
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; my orientation.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; You really are showing you ignorance. Either that, or you
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; just love stirring up a bee's nest with your silly bullshit.
&gt;&gt; &gt; Next you will start telling us that Advertisements do not work and
&gt;&gt; &gt; that all those Billion dollar corporations who buy advertising time
&gt; explicitly
&gt;&gt; &gt; in the advertising segments of your favoritge TV show are just
&gt;&gt; &gt; wasting their money, right ? No one ever takes their own hard
&gt;&gt; &gt; earned cash money out of their pocket and spends it on a product,
&gt;&gt; &gt; that all they know of it is what that paid advertisement told them,
&gt;&gt; &gt; right ? Politics
&gt;&gt; Right. I buy what I need, not what the tube tells me to. Grow some
&gt; balls.
&gt;&gt; Do you buy every fucking thing that you see an ad for? If you do
&gt;&gt; then you are in the extreme minority.
&gt;&gt; I hope you don't watch the WE network. All those women's shows
&gt;&gt; might cause you to have a sex change operation.
&gt;
&gt; Are you admitting that the Billions of dollars of corporate
&gt; advertisements spent each year on TV work or not ?
&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

There is a huge difference between an advertisement affecting one's
desire to buy a certain product and a TV show changing one's sexual
orientation and &quot;making&quot; him gay.

Television ads often times only exist to create awareness in the
consumer that a certain product is available. It may or may not
influence someone's desire or intent to purchase a product.

Sexual orientation is much more complex andare most likely determined
gennetically. Consumer buying habits are learned behaviors. There is a
big difference.

The examples you have given of &quot;Science Fiction's Homosexual Agenda&quot; are
subtle and open to various interpretations. This is not so of
commercials. Most TV ads very overtly state &quot;buy this product.&quot; I have
yet to see a Science Fiction TV show overtly state anywhere, &quot;Become
Gay.&quot;

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#65: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 06:07:26 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Yes.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt; &gt;&gt; The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt; &gt;&gt; desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt; &gt;&gt; priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt; &gt;&gt; I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Saying, &quot;God damnit&quot; could be that. Drinking and smoking could be that.
&gt; &gt; Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
&gt; &gt; against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
&gt; &gt; 11 out of 11 US States.
&gt; People do have more than one channel on their tv? Do their tv's also have
&gt; on/off buttons?

Again, people do not want to have their time wasted looking for these
hidden advertisements. Hidden advertisements have already been
investigated by the Congress, representing the public, and have been
declared to be illegal, for this reason.

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#66: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 06:08:29 by Hecubus

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&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the anger is
&gt; gone.
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; married
&gt; ?
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series,
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ? Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt;&gt; &quot;How did it happen?&quot;
&gt;
&gt; I just told you. BSG and other science fiction series turned your Son
&gt; to Sodomy and homosexual marriage. What would be your reaction ?
&gt; &quot;Freedom is so great !&quot; ?
&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

Well, first of all, I would realize that my son's homosexuality was more
likely something he was born with and not something he &quot;learned&quot; from a
TV series. In that case, I would realize that it is his life to lead,
and if he is gay, he's gay. I can't live my life for my child. He has
his own choices to make. If I did have a gay son, It would not make me
love him any less.

But, I'm sure someone as closed minded and predjudiced as you can't
understand something like that anyway.

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#67: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 06:10:07 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; themes and issues.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; follows.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Novel
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Short Fiction
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Other Work
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and
Michael
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Lark
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; =====================================
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; You're anti-gay postings are affecting my brain. I have now
&gt; &gt;&gt; turned into an ultra-conservative, gay hating bigot. Your work
&gt; &gt;&gt; is done. Your message is much more powerful than broadcast tv.
&gt; &gt;&gt; I will now hate tv, BSG and gays as much as you.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Do you have any further commands for me master?
&gt; &gt; If you hate Homosexuals, you must already have hated them,
&gt; &gt; because nothing in what I have stated in any way encourages
&gt; &gt; Hate of any kind.
&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; I thought you described it as deviant? Should we not hate
&gt; deviant behavior?

I have not encouraged people to Hate anything.
Just keep deviant behavior off the TV set.

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#68: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 06:11:26 by Andrealphus

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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; themes and issues.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; follows.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Novel
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Short Fiction
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Other Work
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and
&gt; Michael
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Lark
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; =====================================
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; You're anti-gay postings are affecting my brain. I have now
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; turned into an ultra-conservative, gay hating bigot. Your work
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; is done. Your message is much more powerful than broadcast tv.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I will now hate tv, BSG and gays as much as you.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Do you have any further commands for me master?
&gt;&gt; &gt; If you hate Homosexuals, you must already have hated them,
&gt;&gt; &gt; because nothing in what I have stated in any way encourages
&gt;&gt; &gt; Hate of any kind.
&gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; I thought you described it as deviant? Should we not hate
&gt;&gt; deviant behavior?
&gt;
&gt; I have not encouraged people to Hate anything.
&gt; Just keep deviant behavior off the TV set.
&gt;

It's not going to happen, now what?

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#69: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 06:28:49 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; hobby.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexually married ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; So Johnny boy, you are saying we are all weak in our sexuality,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and that a mere TV show can turn a straight person gay?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Are you really that fucking clueless? Are you telling me that
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you are one show away from sucking a dick?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I'm not. And no song, book, TV show, comic book, or movie
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; is going to change
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; my orientation.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; You really are showing you ignorance. Either that, or you
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; just love stirring up a bee's nest with your silly bullshit.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Next you will start telling us that Advertisements do not work and
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; that all those Billion dollar corporations who buy advertising time
&gt; &gt; explicitly
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; in the advertising segments of your favoritge TV show are just
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; wasting their money, right ? No one ever takes their own hard
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; earned cash money out of their pocket and spends it on a product,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; that all they know of it is what that paid advertisement told them,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; right ? Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; Right. I buy what I need, not what the tube tells me to.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Grow some balls.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Do you buy every fucking thing that you see an ad for?
&gt; &gt;&gt; If you do then you are in the extreme minority.
&gt; &gt;&gt; I hope you don't watch the WE network. All those women's
&gt; &gt;&gt; shows might cause you to have a sex change operation.
&gt; &gt; Are you admitting that the Billions of dollars of corporate
&gt; &gt; advertisements spent each year on TV work or not ?
&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; There is a huge difference between an advertisement affecting one's
&gt; desire to buy a certain product and a TV show changing one's sexual
&gt; orientation and &quot;making&quot; him gay.

Persuading someone to take money out of their pocket and buy
something is one of the hardest things to do. Try it, next time
you encounter some people on the street, next time you go for a walk.

&gt; Television ads often times only exist to create awareness in the
&gt; consumer that a certain product is available. It may or may not
&gt; influence someone's desire or intent to purchase a product.

Some resist the impulse but many are sold. Otherwise the expenditure
of advertising money would be a waste of money and the
stockholders would fire the CEO of the corporation.

&gt; Sexual orientation is much more complex and [is] most likely determined
&gt; genetically. Consumer buying habits are learned behaviors. There is a
&gt; big difference.
&gt; The examples you have given of &quot;Science Fiction's Homosexual Agenda&quot;
&gt; are subtle and open to various interpretations. This is not so of
&gt; commercials. Most TV ads very overtly state &quot;buy this product.&quot; I have
&gt; yet to see a Science Fiction TV show overtly state anywhere, &quot;Become
&gt; Gay.&quot;
&gt; Rick

No, many TV advertisements are quite vague and spend a surprising
small amount of time touting the name of the product and the phone
number of the source of the product (unless it is a late night ad).
Advertisements mainly want to leave you with a 'positive feeling'
about the product. Sometimes they use a Dog, since men especially
have been conditioned by evolution to see a dog as their assistant
in finding food and defending their home from attack.
Obviously, homosexuals cannot use a Dog in this same way to sell
Sodomy...
But the technology of advertising is extremely complex and well stiudied
by sociologists and scientists and even an advertisement as vague as the
&quot;Morning In America&quot; advertisement (for the Reagan Presidential
election campaign in the 1980's), is considered to be one of the most
powerful and successful advertisements ever.
The Apple Macintosh ad, somewhere around 1984, which aired
just once also has a tremendous reputation, though it mainly featured
a woman swinging what looked like Thor's hammer and
1984 Orwellian like imagery. i.e. they did not chant
&quot;macintosh, macintosh..etc.&quot; in the advertisement.

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#70: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 06:35:47 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; years and tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexually married ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; his homosexual interests began around the time of that series,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ? Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;How did it happen?&quot;
&gt; &gt; I just told you. BSG and other science fiction series turned your Son
&gt; &gt; to Sodomy and homosexual marriage. What would be your reaction ?
&gt; &gt; &quot;Freedom is so great !&quot; ?
&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; Well, first of all, I would realize that my son's homosexuality was more
&gt; likely something he was born with and not something he &quot;learned&quot; from
&gt; a TV series. In that case, I would realize that it is his life to lead,
&gt; and if he is gay, he's gay. I can't live my life for my child. He has
&gt; his own choices to make. If I did have a gay son, It would not
&gt; make me love him any less.
&gt; But, I'm sure someone as closed minded and predjudiced as
&gt; you can't understand something like that anyway.
&gt; Rick

Rubbish. People are not born homosexual. If the affliction was
genetic, it would have died out long ago, since homosexuals
under-reproduce, if they reproduce at all.

Here are the facts:

=======================================
<a href="http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html" target="_blank">http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html</a>

What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? By
Paul Cameron, Ph. D. Dr. Cameron is Chariman of the
Family Research Institute of

Colorado Springs, Colorado USA. Click here for more
information about this organization. You may contact him
at: Family Research Institute, PO Box 62640, Colorado
Springs, CO 80962 USA. Phone number: (303) 681-3113. (No
e-mail address.)

Most of us fail to understand why anyone would want to
engage in homosexual activity. To the average person, the
very idea is either puzzling or repugnant. Indeed, a
recent survey (1) indicated that only 14% of men and 10%
of women imagined that such behavior could hold any
&quot;possibility of enjoyment.&quot;

The peculiar nature of homosexual desire has led some
people to conclude that this urge must be innate: that a
certain number of people are &quot;born that way,&quot; that sexual
preferences cannot be changed or even ended. What does
the best research really indicate? Are homosexual
proclivities natural or irresistible?

At least three answers seem possible. The first, the
answer of tradition, is as follows: homosexual behavior
is a bad habit that people fall into because they are
sexually permissive and experimental. This view holds rat
homosexuals choose their lifestyle as the result of self-
indulgence and an unwillingness to play by society rules.
The second position is held by a number of psychoanalysts
(e.g., Bieber, Socarides). According to them, homosexual
behavior is a mental illness, symptomatic of arrested
development. They believe that homosexuals have unnatural
or perverse desires as a consequence of poor familial
relations in childhood or some other trauma. The third
view is &quot;biological&quot; and holds that such desires are
genetic or hormonal in origin, and that there is no
choice involved and no &quot;childhood trauma&quot; necessary.

Which of these views is most consistent with the facts?
Which tells us the most about homosexual behavior and its
origins? The answer seems to be that homosexual behavior
is learned. The following seven lines of evidence support
such a conclusion.

1) No researcher has found provable biological or genitic
differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals that
weren't caused by their behavior

Occasionally you may read about a scientific study that
suggests that homosexuality is an inherited tendency, but
such studies have usually been discounted after careful
scrutiny or attempts at replication. No one has found a
single heredible genetic, hormonal or physical difference
between heterosexuals and homosexuals - at least none
that is replicable. (9, 12) While the absence of such a
discovery doesn't prove at inherited sexual tendencies
aren't possible, it suggests that none has been found
because none exists.

2) People tend to believe that their sexual desires and
behaviors are learned

Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain
the origins of their desires and behaviors - how they
&quot;got that way.&quot; The first of these studies was conducted
by Kinsey in the 1940s and involved 1700 homosexuals. The
second, in 1970, (4) involved 979 homosexuals. Both were
conducted prior to the period when the &quot;gay rights&quot;
movement started to politicize the issue of homosexual
origins. Both reported essentially the same findings:
Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and
behavior were the result of social or environmental
influences. In a 1983 study conducted by the Family
Research Institute (5) (FRI) involving a random sample of
147 homosexuals, 35% said their sexual desires were
hereditary. Interestingly, almost 80% of the 3,400
heterosexuals in the same study said that their
preferences and behavior were learned (see Table 1
below). Table 1 Reasons For Preferring: homosexuality
(1940s and 1970) early homosexual experience(s) with
adults and/or peers - 22% homosexual friends/ around
homosexuals a lot - 16% poor relationship with mother -
15% unusual development (was a sissy, artistic, couldn't
get along with own sex, tom-boy, et cetera) - 15% poor
relationship with father - 14% heterosexual partners
unavailable - 12% social ineptitude - 9% born that way -
9% heterosexuality (1983) I was around heterosexuals a
lot - 39% society teaches heterosexuality and I responded
- 34% born that way - 22% my parents, marriage was so
good I wanted to have what they had - 21% I tried it and
liked it - 12% childhood heterosexual experiences with
peers it was the ''in thing&quot; in my crowd - 9% I was
seduced by a heterosexual adult - 5% While these results
aren't conclusive, they tell something about the very
recent tendency to believe that homosexual behavior is
inherited or biologic. From the 1930s (when Kinsey
started collecting data) to the early 1970s, before a
&quot;politically correct&quot; answer emerged, only about 10% of
homosexuals claimed they were &quot;born that way.&quot;
Heterosexuals apparently continue to believe that their
behavior is primarily a result of social conditioning.

3) Older homosexuals often approach the young

There is evidence that homosexuality, like drug use is
&quot;handed down&quot; from older individuals. The first
homosexual encounter is usually initiated by an older
person. In separate studies 60%, (6) 64%, (3) and 61%
(10) of the respondents claimed that their first partner
was someone older who initiated the sexual experience.
How this happens is suggested by a nationwide random
study from Britain: (17) 35% of boys and 9% of girl said
they were approached for sex by adult homosexuals.
Whether for attention, curiosity, or by force, 2% of the
boys and 1% of the girls succumbed. In the US, (1) 37% of
males and 9% of females reported having been approached
for homosexual sex (65% of those doing the inviting were
older). Likewise, a study of over 400 London teenagers
reported that &quot;for the boys, their first homosexual
experience was very likely with someone older: half the
boys' first partner were 20 or older; for girls it was 43
percent.&quot; (13) A quarter of homosexuals have admitted to
sex with children and underaged teens, (6,5,8) suggesting
the homosexuality is introduced to youngsters the same
way other behaviors are learned - by experience.

4) Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns
of behavior

In the 1980s, scholars (12) examined the early Kinsey
data to determine whether or not childhood sexual
experiences predicted adult behavior. The results were
significant: Homosexual experience in the early year,
particularly if it was one's first sexual experience -
was a strong predictor of adult homosexual behavior, both
for males and females. A similar pattern appeared in the
1970 Kinsey Institute (4) study: there was a strong
relationship between those whose first experience was
homosexual and those who practiced homosexuality in later
life. In the FRI study (5) two-thirds of the boys whose
first experience was homosexual engaged in homosexual
behavior as adults; 95% of those whose first experience
was heterosexual were likewise heterosexual in their
adult behavior. A similarly progressive pattern of sexual
behavior was reported for females. It is remarkable that
the three largest empirical studies of the question
showed essentially the same pattern. A child's first
sexual experiences were strongly associated with his or
her adult behavior.

5) Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors -
especially religious convictions

Kinsey reported &quot;less homosexual activity among devout
groups whether they be Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish,
and more homosexual activity among religiously less
active groups.&quot; (2) The 1983 FRI study found those raised
in irreligious homes to be over 4 times more likely to
become homosexual than those from devout homes . These
studies suggest that when people believe strongly that
homosexual behavior is immoral, they are significantly
less apt to be involved in such activity. Recently,
because of the AIDS epidemic, it has been discovered
that, relative to white males, twice as many black males
are homosexual (14) and 4 times as many are bisexual.
Perhaps it is related to the fact that 62% of black
versus 17% of white children are being raised in
fatherless homes. But even the worst racist wouldn't
suggest that it is due to genetic predisposition. Were
homosexual impulses truly inherited, we should be unable
to find differences in homosexual practice due to
religious upbringing or racial sub-culture.

6) Many change their sexual preferences

In a large random sample (5) 88% of women currently
claiming lesbian attraction and 73% of men claiming to
currently enjoy homosexual sex, said that they had been
sexually aroused by the opposite sex, 85% of these
&quot;lesbians&quot; and 54% of these &quot;homosexuals&quot; reported sexual
relations with someone of the opposite sex in adulthood,
67% of lesbians and 54% of homosexuals reported current
sexual attraction to the opposite sex, and 82% of
lesbians and 66% of homosexuals reported having been in
love with a member of the opposite sex. Homosexuals
experiment. They feel some normal impulses. Most have
been sexually aroused by, had sexual relations with, and
even fallen in love with someone of the opposite sex.
Nationwide random samples (11) of 904 men were asked
about their sex lives since age 21, and more
specifically, in the last year. As the figure reveals,
1.3% reported sex with men in the past year and 5.2% at
some time in adulthood. Less than 1% of men had only had
sex with men during their lives. And 6 of every 7 who had
had sex with men, also reported sex with women. It's a
much different story with inherited characteristics. Race
and gender are not optional lifestyles. They remain
immutable. The switching and experimentation demonstrated
in these two studies identifies homosexuality as a
preference, not an inevitability.

7) There are many ex-homosexuals

Many engage in one or two homosexual experiences and
never do it again- a pattern reported for a third of the
males with homosexual experience in one study. (1) And
then there are ex- homosexuals - those who have continued
in homosexual liaisons for a number of years and then
chose to change not only their habits, but also the
object of their desire. Sometimes this alteration occurs
as the result of psychotherapy; (10) in others it is
prompted by a religious or spiritual conversion. (18)
Similar to the kinds of &quot;cures&quot; achieved by drug addicts
and alcoholics, these treatments do not always remove
homosexual desire or temptation. Whatever the mechanism,
in a 1984 study (5) almost 2% of heterosexuals reported
that at one time they considered themselves to be
homosexual. It is clear that a substantial number of
people are reconsidering their sexual preferences at any
given time.

What causes homosexual desire?

If homosexual impulses are not inherited, what kinds of
influences do cause strong homosexual desires? No one
answer is acceptable to all researchers in the field.
Important factors, however, seem to fall into four
categories. As with so many other odd sexual
proclivities, males appear especially susceptible: 1.
Homosexual experience:

any homosexual experience in childhood, especially if it
is a first sexual experience or with an adult any
homosexual contact with an adult, particularly with a
relative or authority figure (in a random survey, 5% of
adult homosexuals vs 0.8% of heterosexuals reported
childhood sexual involvements with elementary or
secondary school teachers (5). 2. Family abnormality,
including the following:

a dominant, possessive, or rejecting mother an absent,
distant, or rejecting father a parent with homosexual
proclivities, particularly one who molests a child of the
same sex a sibling with homosexual tendencies,
particularly one who molests a brother or sister the lack
of a religious home environment divorce, which often
leads to sexual problems for both the children and the
adults parents who model unconventional sex roles
condoning homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle-
welcoming homosexuals (e.g., co-workers, friends) into
the family circle 3. Unusual sexual experience,
particularly in early childhood:

precocious or excessive masturbation exposure to
pornography in childhood depersonalized sex (e.g., group
sex, sex with animals) or girls, sexual interaction with
adult males 4. Cultural influences: a visible and
socially approved homosexual sub-culture that invites
curiosity and encourages exploration pro-homosexual sex
education openly homosexual authority figures, such as
teachers (4% of Kinsey's and 4% of FRI's gays reported
that their first homosexual experience was with a
teacher) societal and legal toleration of homosexual acts
depictions of homosexuality as normal and/or desirable
behavior

Can homosexuality be changed?

Certainly. As noted above, many people have turned away
from homosexuality - almost as many people call
themselves &quot;gay.&quot; Clearly the easier problem to eliminate
is homosexual behavior. Just as many heterosexuals
control their desires to engage in premarital or
extramarital sex, so some with homosexual desires
discipline themselves to abstain from homosexual contact.
One thing seems to stand out: Associations are all-
important. Anyone who wants to abstain from homosexual
behavior should avoid the company of practicing
homosexuals. There are organizations including &quot;ex-gay
ministries, &quot; (18) designed to help those who wish to
reform their conduct. Psychotherapy claims about a 30%
cure rate, and religious commitment seems to be the most
helpful factor in avoiding homosexual habits.


===============================================

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Posted on 2005-05-30 06:39:57 by Andrealphus

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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; years and tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexually married ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; his homosexual interests began around the time of that series,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ? Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;How did it happen?&quot;
&gt;&gt; &gt; I just told you. BSG and other science fiction series turned your Son
&gt;&gt; &gt; to Sodomy and homosexual marriage. What would be your reaction ?
&gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;Freedom is so great !&quot; ?
&gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; Well, first of all, I would realize that my son's homosexuality was more
&gt;&gt; likely something he was born with and not something he &quot;learned&quot; from
&gt;&gt; a TV series. In that case, I would realize that it is his life to lead,
&gt;&gt; and if he is gay, he's gay. I can't live my life for my child. He has
&gt;&gt; his own choices to make. If I did have a gay son, It would not
&gt;&gt; make me love him any less.
&gt;&gt; But, I'm sure someone as closed minded and predjudiced as
&gt;&gt; you can't understand something like that anyway.
&gt;&gt; Rick
&gt;
&gt; Rubbish. People are not born homosexual. If the affliction was
&gt; genetic, it would have died out long ago,

Nonsense. Your understanding of genetics is obviously limited.


since homosexuals
&gt; under-reproduce, if they reproduce at all.

A homosexual gene, if one exists, can be passed as a recessive gene through
the brothers and sisters of the gay person for generations before it may
show up again. It need not be passed by the gay individual alone.

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#72: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 06:46:38 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Sun, 29 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:
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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; years and tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexually married ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; his homosexual interests began around the time of that series,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ? Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;How did it happen?&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; I just told you. BSG and other science fiction series turned your
Son
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; to Sodomy and homosexual marriage. What would be your reaction ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;Freedom is so great !&quot; ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; Well, first of all, I would realize that my son's homosexuality was
more
&gt; &gt;&gt; likely something he was born with and not something he &quot;learned&quot; from
&gt; &gt;&gt; a TV series. In that case, I would realize that it is his life to lead,
&gt; &gt;&gt; and if he is gay, he's gay. I can't live my life for my child. He has
&gt; &gt;&gt; his own choices to make. If I did have a gay son, It would not
&gt; &gt;&gt; make me love him any less.
&gt; &gt;&gt; But, I'm sure someone as closed minded and predjudiced as
&gt; &gt;&gt; you can't understand something like that anyway.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Rick
&gt; &gt; Rubbish. People are not born homosexual. If the affliction was
&gt; &gt; genetic, it would have died out long ago,
&gt; Nonsense. Your understanding of genetics is obviously limited.
&gt; since homosexuals
&gt; &gt; under-reproduce, if they reproduce at all.
&gt; A homosexual gene, if one exists, can be passed as a recessive gene
through
&gt; the brothers and sisters of the gay person for generations before it may
&gt; show up again. It need not be passed by the gay individual alone.

But a recessive gene is a recessive gene. Whenever it effects itself in a
genetic combat environment where it wins, it dies out. Eventually such a
gene,
over the generations, will die out.

Here is the truth about homosexuality origins:

=======================================

<a href="http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html" target="_blank">http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html</a>

What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? By
Paul Cameron, Ph. D. Dr. Cameron is Chariman of the
Family Research Institute of

Colorado Springs, Colorado USA. Click here for more
information about this organization. You may contact him
at: Family Research Institute, PO Box 62640, Colorado
Springs, CO 80962 USA. Phone number: (303) 681-3113. (No
e-mail address.)

Most of us fail to understand why anyone would want to
engage in homosexual activity. To the average person, the
very idea is either puzzling or repugnant. Indeed, a
recent survey (1) indicated that only 14% of men and 10%
of women imagined that such behavior could hold any
&quot;possibility of enjoyment.&quot;

The peculiar nature of homosexual desire has led some
people to conclude that this urge must be innate: that a
certain number of people are &quot;born that way,&quot; that sexual
preferences cannot be changed or even ended. What does
the best research really indicate? Are homosexual
proclivities natural or irresistible?

At least three answers seem possible. The first, the
answer of tradition, is as follows: homosexual behavior
is a bad habit that people fall into because they are
sexually permissive and experimental. This view holds rat
homosexuals choose their lifestyle as the result of self-
indulgence and an unwillingness to play by society rules.
The second position is held by a number of psychoanalysts
(e.g., Bieber, Socarides). According to them, homosexual
behavior is a mental illness, symptomatic of arrested
development. They believe that homosexuals have unnatural
or perverse desires as a consequence of poor familial
relations in childhood or some other trauma. The third
view is &quot;biological&quot; and holds that such desires are
genetic or hormonal in origin, and that there is no
choice involved and no &quot;childhood trauma&quot; necessary.

Which of these views is most consistent with the facts?
Which tells us the most about homosexual behavior and its
origins? The answer seems to be that homosexual behavior
is learned. The following seven lines of evidence support
such a conclusion.

1) No researcher has found provable biological or genitic
differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals that
weren't caused by their behavior

Occasionally you may read about a scientific study that
suggests that homosexuality is an inherited tendency, but
such studies have usually been discounted after careful
scrutiny or attempts at replication. No one has found a
single heredible genetic, hormonal or physical difference
between heterosexuals and homosexuals - at least none
that is replicable. (9, 12) While the absence of such a
discovery doesn't prove at inherited sexual tendencies
aren't possible, it suggests that none has been found
because none exists.

2) People tend to believe that their sexual desires and
behaviors are learned

Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain
the origins of their desires and behaviors - how they
&quot;got that way.&quot; The first of these studies was conducted
by Kinsey in the 1940s and involved 1700 homosexuals. The
second, in 1970, (4) involved 979 homosexuals. Both were
conducted prior to the period when the &quot;gay rights&quot;
movement started to politicize the issue of homosexual
origins. Both reported essentially the same findings:
Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and
behavior were the result of social or environmental
influences. In a 1983 study conducted by the Family
Research Institute (5) (FRI) involving a random sample of
147 homosexuals, 35% said their sexual desires were
hereditary. Interestingly, almost 80% of the 3,400
heterosexuals in the same study said that their
preferences and behavior were learned (see Table 1
below). Table 1 Reasons For Preferring: homosexuality
(1940s and 1970) early homosexual experience(s) with
adults and/or peers - 22% homosexual friends/ around
homosexuals a lot - 16% poor relationship with mother -
15% unusual development (was a sissy, artistic, couldn't
get along with own sex, tom-boy, et cetera) - 15% poor
relationship with father - 14% heterosexual partners
unavailable - 12% social ineptitude - 9% born that way -
9% heterosexuality (1983) I was around heterosexuals a
lot - 39% society teaches heterosexuality and I responded
- 34% born that way - 22% my parents, marriage was so
good I wanted to have what they had - 21% I tried it and
liked it - 12% childhood heterosexual experiences with
peers it was the ''in thing&quot; in my crowd - 9% I was
seduced by a heterosexual adult - 5% While these results
aren't conclusive, they tell something about the very
recent tendency to believe that homosexual behavior is
inherited or biologic. From the 1930s (when Kinsey
started collecting data) to the early 1970s, before a
&quot;politically correct&quot; answer emerged, only about 10% of
homosexuals claimed they were &quot;born that way.&quot;
Heterosexuals apparently continue to believe that their
behavior is primarily a result of social conditioning.

3) Older homosexuals often approach the young

There is evidence that homosexuality, like drug use is
&quot;handed down&quot; from older individuals. The first
homosexual encounter is usually initiated by an older
person. In separate studies 60%, (6) 64%, (3) and 61%
(10) of the respondents claimed that their first partner
was someone older who initiated the sexual experience.
How this happens is suggested by a nationwide random
study from Britain: (17) 35% of boys and 9% of girl said
they were approached for sex by adult homosexuals.
Whether for attention, curiosity, or by force, 2% of the
boys and 1% of the girls succumbed. In the US, (1) 37% of
males and 9% of females reported having been approached
for homosexual sex (65% of those doing the inviting were
older). Likewise, a study of over 400 London teenagers
reported that &quot;for the boys, their first homosexual
experience was very likely with someone older: half the
boys' first partner were 20 or older; for girls it was 43
percent.&quot; (13) A quarter of homosexuals have admitted to
sex with children and underaged teens, (6,5,8) suggesting
the homosexuality is introduced to youngsters the same
way other behaviors are learned - by experience.

4) Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns
of behavior

In the 1980s, scholars (12) examined the early Kinsey
data to determine whether or not childhood sexual
experiences predicted adult behavior. The results were
significant: Homosexual experience in the early year,
particularly if it was one's first sexual experience -
was a strong predictor of adult homosexual behavior, both
for males and females. A similar pattern appeared in the
1970 Kinsey Institute (4) study: there was a strong
relationship between those whose first experience was
homosexual and those who practiced homosexuality in later
life. In the FRI study (5) two-thirds of the boys whose
first experience was homosexual engaged in homosexual
behavior as adults; 95% of those whose first experience
was heterosexual were likewise heterosexual in their
adult behavior. A similarly progressive pattern of sexual
behavior was reported for females. It is remarkable that
the three largest empirical studies of the question
showed essentially the same pattern. A child's first
sexual experiences were strongly associated with his or
her adult behavior.

5) Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors -
especially religious convictions

Kinsey reported &quot;less homosexual activity among devout
groups whether they be Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish,
and more homosexual activity among religiously less
active groups.&quot; (2) The 1983 FRI study found those raised
in irreligious homes to be over 4 times more likely to
become homosexual than those from devout homes . These
studies suggest that when people believe strongly that
homosexual behavior is immoral, they are significantly
less apt to be involved in such activity. Recently,
because of the AIDS epidemic, it has been discovered
that, relative to white males, twice as many black males
are homosexual (14) and 4 times as many are bisexual.
Perhaps it is related to the fact that 62% of black
versus 17% of white children are being raised in
fatherless homes. But even the worst racist wouldn't
suggest that it is due to genetic predisposition. Were
homosexual impulses truly inherited, we should be unable
to find differences in homosexual practice due to
religious upbringing or racial sub-culture.

6) Many change their sexual preferences

In a large random sample (5) 88% of women currently
claiming lesbian attraction and 73% of men claiming to
currently enjoy homosexual sex, said that they had been
sexually aroused by the opposite sex, 85% of these
&quot;lesbians&quot; and 54% of these &quot;homosexuals&quot; reported sexual
relations with someone of the opposite sex in adulthood,
67% of lesbians and 54% of homosexuals reported current
sexual attraction to the opposite sex, and 82% of
lesbians and 66% of homosexuals reported having been in
love with a member of the opposite sex. Homosexuals
experiment. They feel some normal impulses. Most have
been sexually aroused by, had sexual relations with, and
even fallen in love with someone of the opposite sex.
Nationwide random samples (11) of 904 men were asked
about their sex lives since age 21, and more
specifically, in the last year. As the figure reveals,
1.3% reported sex with men in the past year and 5.2% at
some time in adulthood. Less than 1% of men had only had
sex with men during their lives. And 6 of every 7 who had
had sex with men, also reported sex with women. It's a
much different story with inherited characteristics. Race
and gender are not optional lifestyles. They remain
immutable. The switching and experimentation demonstrated
in these two studies identifies homosexuality as a
preference, not an inevitability.

7) There are many ex-homosexuals

Many engage in one or two homosexual experiences and
never do it again- a pattern reported for a third of the
males with homosexual experience in one study. (1) And
then there are ex- homosexuals - those who have continued
in homosexual liaisons for a number of years and then
chose to change not only their habits, but also the
object of their desire. Sometimes this alteration occurs
as the result of psychotherapy; (10) in others it is
prompted by a religious or spiritual conversion. (18)
Similar to the kinds of &quot;cures&quot; achieved by drug addicts
and alcoholics, these treatments do not always remove
homosexual desire or temptation. Whatever the mechanism,
in a 1984 study (5) almost 2% of heterosexuals reported
that at one time they considered themselves to be
homosexual. It is clear that a substantial number of
people are reconsidering their sexual preferences at any
given time.

What causes homosexual desire?

If homosexual impulses are not inherited, what kinds of
influences do cause strong homosexual desires? No one
answer is acceptable to all researchers in the field.
Important factors, however, seem to fall into four
categories. As with so many other odd sexual
proclivities, males appear especially susceptible: 1.
Homosexual experience:

any homosexual experience in childhood, especially if it
is a first sexual experience or with an adult any
homosexual contact with an adult, particularly with a
relative or authority figure (in a random survey, 5% of
adult homosexuals vs 0.8% of heterosexuals reported
childhood sexual involvements with elementary or
secondary school teachers (5). 2. Family abnormality,
including the following:

a dominant, possessive, or rejecting mother an absent,
distant, or rejecting father a parent with homosexual
proclivities, particularly one who molests a child of the
same sex a sibling with homosexual tendencies,
particularly one who molests a brother or sister the lack
of a religious home environment divorce, which often
leads to sexual problems for both the children and the
adults parents who model unconventional sex roles
condoning homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle-
welcoming homosexuals (e.g., co-workers, friends) into
the family circle 3. Unusual sexual experience,
particularly in early childhood:

precocious or excessive masturbation exposure to
pornography in childhood depersonalized sex (e.g., group
sex, sex with animals) or girls, sexual interaction with
adult males 4. Cultural influences: a visible and
socially approved homosexual sub-culture that invites
curiosity and encourages exploration pro-homosexual sex
education openly homosexual authority figures, such as
teachers (4% of Kinsey's and 4% of FRI's gays reported
that their first homosexual experience was with a
teacher) societal and legal toleration of homosexual acts
depictions of homosexuality as normal and/or desirable
behavior

Can homosexuality be changed?

Certainly. As noted above, many people have turned away
from homosexuality - almost as many people call
themselves &quot;gay.&quot; Clearly the easier problem to eliminate
is homosexual behavior. Just as many heterosexuals
control their desires to engage in premarital or
extramarital sex, so some with homosexual desires
discipline themselves to abstain from homosexual contact.
One thing seems to stand out: Associations are all-
important. Anyone who wants to abstain from homosexual
behavior should avoid the company of practicing
homosexuals. There are organizations including &quot;ex-gay
ministries, &quot; (18) designed to help those who wish to
reform their conduct. Psychotherapy claims about a 30%
cure rate, and religious commitment seems to be the most
helpful factor in avoiding homosexual habits.


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Posted on 2005-05-30 06:49:22 by Andrealphus

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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Sun, 29 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:
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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; years and tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexually married ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; his homosexual interests began around the time of that
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; series,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ? Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;How did it happen?&quot;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; I just told you. BSG and other science fiction series turned your
&gt; Son
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; to Sodomy and homosexual marriage. What would be your reaction ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;Freedom is so great !&quot; ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Well, first of all, I would realize that my son's homosexuality was
&gt; more
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; likely something he was born with and not something he &quot;learned&quot; from
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; a TV series. In that case, I would realize that it is his life to
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; lead,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and if he is gay, he's gay. I can't live my life for my child. He has
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; his own choices to make. If I did have a gay son, It would not
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; make me love him any less.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; But, I'm sure someone as closed minded and predjudiced as
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you can't understand something like that anyway.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Rick
&gt;&gt; &gt; Rubbish. People are not born homosexual. If the affliction was
&gt;&gt; &gt; genetic, it would have died out long ago,
&gt;&gt; Nonsense. Your understanding of genetics is obviously limited.
&gt;&gt; since homosexuals
&gt;&gt; &gt; under-reproduce, if they reproduce at all.
&gt;&gt; A homosexual gene, if one exists, can be passed as a recessive gene
&gt; through
&gt;&gt; the brothers and sisters of the gay person for generations before it may
&gt;&gt; show up again. It need not be passed by the gay individual alone.
&gt;
&gt; But a recessive gene is a recessive gene. Whenever it effects itself in a
&gt; genetic combat environment where it wins, it dies out. Eventually such a
&gt; gene,
&gt; over the generations, will die out.
&gt;

No, that is absolutely not true. The recessive can be passed whether it
wins one battle or not.


&gt; Here is the truth about homosexuality origins:
&gt;
&gt; =======================================
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html" target="_blank">http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? By
&gt; Paul Cameron, Ph.

Paul Cameron is a quack. Pure and simple.

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Posted on 2005-05-30 06:50:41 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; News Bulletin from www.scifi.com :
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html" target="_blank">http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html</a>
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; ==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay,
lesbian,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; themes and issues.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; A list of winners follows.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Novel
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Short Fiction
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Other Work
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; and Michael Lark
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; =====================================
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; You're anti-gay postings are affecting my brain. I have now
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; turned into an ultra-conservative, gay hating bigot. Your work
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; is done. Your message is much more powerful than broadcast tv.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I will now hate tv, BSG and gays as much as you.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Do you have any further commands for me master?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; If you hate Homosexuals, you must already have hated them,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; because nothing in what I have stated in any way encourages
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Hate of any kind.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; I thought you described it as deviant? Should we not hate
&gt; &gt;&gt; deviant behavior?
&gt; &gt; I have not encouraged people to Hate anything.
&gt; &gt; Just keep deviant behavior off the TV set.
&gt; It's not going to happen, now what?

Sure it will happen. People just have to recognize how they are being
exploited and played for chumps, where Sodomy is championed as
a great example of America's &quot;Freedom&quot;.
Corrupt Judges is one thing the country needs to deal with in the process
of addressing this problem.

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No, they are Republicans and should be Republicans. The Sodomy issue,
along with similar ACLU issues like the Legalization of Drugs, is one of
those
selfish issues that generally come under the title &quot;civil liberties&quot;. These
are 'leave me alone', 'let me do what I want to do', selfish issues that are
not just conservative, but libertarian in nature. &quot;keep the government out
of my life&quot;.
Heck, if not for the federal government, Unions would not exist. If not for
the federal government, Blacks and Women would not have Civil Rights.
If not for the federal government, there would be no 60's Great Society
programs for The Poor, or what is left of those programs since Clinton (a
big homosexual rights Gays In The Military supporter) rolled them back.
The federal government passed the Defense Of Marriage Act which was
anti-homosexual marriage rights.

The response of homosexuals ? Try to negate the federal government laws in
the Courts by playing up this crap that the Federal Courts can negate the
laws created by the will of the people (Judicial Review, they call it).
The same US Supreme Court that ruled in Plessy vs Ferguson in 1896 in the
&quot;Separate But Equal&quot; decison that Blacks were second class citizens and that
segregation was ok.
It was only in the 1950's, when the US Supreme Court was dominated by
non-Judges (only one of the 9 judges then had a judicial background -- the
Chief Justice was Governor of California immediately before joining the US
Supreme Court in 1953), that Brown vs Board of Education (1954) reversed
the corrupt Plessy decision.
And I should mention that the 14th Amendment passed right after the US Civil
War which ended Slavery, banned any kind of segregation, so the 1896
decision was unconstitutional, on its face.

The truth is that Homosexuals have nothing in common with the Left, which
comprises The Poor, Blacks, Unions and Women). They should and do want
opposite solutions in government policy. The Homosexual Agenda is
intensely unpopular with the people of the US: it has not passed a law in
any statewide election yet. They lost 11 straight states in the 2004
elections and they just lost last week in Kansas. Thus, it is in the
interests of homosexuals to prop up the US and State Courts as being
superior in power to the Congress. and state Legislatures. However, that is
opposite to the Constitutions of the US and the States and is definitely
opposite to the will of the people. Homosexuals are in the position where
they have to oppose the will of the people. And that means paying off
Corrupt Judges to make progress. And Hollywood Homosexuals definitely
have the money to pay off crooked judges.
The Little Guy on The Left is totally opposed to this and certainly could
not afford that route.
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Posted on 2005-05-30 06:53:30 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Sun, 29 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:
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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a
hobby.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; years and tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexually married ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; his homosexual interests began around the time of that
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; series,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ? Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;How did it happen?&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; I just told you. BSG and other science fiction series turned your
&gt; &gt; Son
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; to Sodomy and homosexual marriage. What would be your reaction ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;Freedom is so great !&quot; ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Well, first of all, I would realize that my son's homosexuality was
&gt; &gt; more
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; likely something he was born with and not something he &quot;learned&quot;
from
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; a TV series. In that case, I would realize that it is his life to
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; lead,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and if he is gay, he's gay. I can't live my life for my child. He
has
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; his own choices to make. If I did have a gay son, It would not
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; make me love him any less.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; But, I'm sure someone as closed minded and predjudiced as
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you can't understand something like that anyway.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Rick
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Rubbish. People are not born homosexual. If the affliction was
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; genetic, it would have died out long ago,
&gt; &gt;&gt; Nonsense. Your understanding of genetics is obviously limited.
&gt; &gt;&gt; since homosexuals
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; under-reproduce, if they reproduce at all.
&gt; &gt;&gt; A homosexual gene, if one exists, can be passed as a recessive gene
&gt; &gt;&gt; through the brothers and sisters of the gay person for generations
&gt; &gt;&gt; before it may show up again. It need not be passed by the
&gt; &gt;&gt; gay individual alone.
&gt; &gt; But a recessive gene is a recessive gene. Whenever it effects itself in
a
&gt; &gt; genetic combat environment where it wins, it dies out. Eventually such
a
&gt; &gt; gene, over the generations, will die out.
&gt; No, that is absolutely not true. The recessive can be passed whether it
&gt; wins one battle or not.
&gt; &gt; Here is the truth about homosexuality origins:
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&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html" target="_blank">http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html</a>
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? By
&gt; &gt; Paul Cameron, Ph.
&gt; Paul Cameron is a quack. Pure and simple.

Explain why, if you want to be taken seriously.

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What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? By
Paul Cameron, Ph. D. Dr. Cameron is Chariman of the
Family Research Institute of

Colorado Springs, Colorado USA. Click here for more
information about this organization. You may contact him
at: Family Research Institute, PO Box 62640, Colorado
Springs, CO 80962 USA. Phone number: (303) 681-3113. (No
e-mail address.)

Most of us fail to understand why anyone would want to
engage in homosexual activity. To the average person, the
very idea is either puzzling or repugnant. Indeed, a
recent survey (1) indicated that only 14% of men and 10%
of women imagined that such behavior could hold any
&quot;possibility of enjoyment.&quot;

The peculiar nature of homosexual desire has led some
people to conclude that this urge must be innate: that a
certain number of people are &quot;born that way,&quot; that sexual
preferences cannot be changed or even ended. What does
the best research really indicate? Are homosexual
proclivities natural or irresistible?

At least three answers seem possible. The first, the
answer of tradition, is as follows: homosexual behavior
is a bad habit that people fall into because they are
sexually permissive and experimental. This view holds rat
homosexuals choose their lifestyle as the result of self-
indulgence and an unwillingness to play by society rules.
The second position is held by a number of psychoanalysts
(e.g., Bieber, Socarides). According to them, homosexual
behavior is a mental illness, symptomatic of arrested
development. They believe that homosexuals have unnatural
or perverse desires as a consequence of poor familial
relations in childhood or some other trauma. The third
view is &quot;biological&quot; and holds that such desires are
genetic or hormonal in origin, and that there is no
choice involved and no &quot;childhood trauma&quot; necessary.

Which of these views is most consistent with the facts?
Which tells us the most about homosexual behavior and its
origins? The answer seems to be that homosexual behavior
is learned. The following seven lines of evidence support
such a conclusion.

1) No researcher has found provable biological or genitic
differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals that
weren't caused by their behavior

Occasionally you may read about a scientific study that
suggests that homosexuality is an inherited tendency, but
such studies have usually been discounted after careful
scrutiny or attempts at replication. No one has found a
single heredible genetic, hormonal or physical difference
between heterosexuals and homosexuals - at least none
that is replicable. (9, 12) While the absence of such a
discovery doesn't prove at inherited sexual tendencies
aren't possible, it suggests that none has been found
because none exists.

2) People tend to believe that their sexual desires and
behaviors are learned

Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain
the origins of their desires and behaviors - how they
&quot;got that way.&quot; The first of these studies was conducted
by Kinsey in the 1940s and involved 1700 homosexuals. The
second, in 1970, (4) involved 979 homosexuals. Both were
conducted prior to the period when the &quot;gay rights&quot;
movement started to politicize the issue of homosexual
origins. Both reported essentially the same findings:
Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and
behavior were the result of social or environmental
influences. In a 1983 study conducted by the Family
Research Institute (5) (FRI) involving a random sample of
147 homosexuals, 35% said their sexual desires were
hereditary. Interestingly, almost 80% of the 3,400
heterosexuals in the same study said that their
preferences and behavior were learned (see Table 1
below). Table 1 Reasons For Preferring: homosexuality
(1940s and 1970) early homosexual experience(s) with
adults and/or peers - 22% homosexual friends/ around
homosexuals a lot - 16% poor relationship with mother -
15% unusual development (was a sissy, artistic, couldn't
get along with own sex, tom-boy, et cetera) - 15% poor
relationship with father - 14% heterosexual partners
unavailable - 12% social ineptitude - 9% born that way -
9% heterosexuality (1983) I was around heterosexuals a
lot - 39% society teaches heterosexuality and I responded
- 34% born that way - 22% my parents, marriage was so
good I wanted to have what they had - 21% I tried it and
liked it - 12% childhood heterosexual experiences with
peers it was the ''in thing&quot; in my crowd - 9% I was
seduced by a heterosexual adult - 5% While these results
aren't conclusive, they tell something about the very
recent tendency to believe that homosexual behavior is
inherited or biologic. From the 1930s (when Kinsey
started collecting data) to the early 1970s, before a
&quot;politically correct&quot; answer emerged, only about 10% of
homosexuals claimed they were &quot;born that way.&quot;
Heterosexuals apparently continue to believe that their
behavior is primarily a result of social conditioning.

3) Older homosexuals often approach the young

There is evidence that homosexuality, like drug use is
&quot;handed down&quot; from older individuals. The first
homosexual encounter is usually initiated by an older
person. In separate studies 60%, (6) 64%, (3) and 61%
(10) of the respondents claimed that their first partner
was someone older who initiated the sexual experience.
How this happens is suggested by a nationwide random
study from Britain: (17) 35% of boys and 9% of girl said
they were approached for sex by adult homosexuals.
Whether for attention, curiosity, or by force, 2% of the
boys and 1% of the girls succumbed. In the US, (1) 37% of
males and 9% of females reported having been approached
for homosexual sex (65% of those doing the inviting were
older). Likewise, a study of over 400 London teenagers
reported that &quot;for the boys, their first homosexual
experience was very likely with someone older: half the
boys' first partner were 20 or older; for girls it was 43
percent.&quot; (13) A quarter of homosexuals have admitted to
sex with children and underaged teens, (6,5,8) suggesting
the homosexuality is introduced to youngsters the same
way other behaviors are learned - by experience.

4) Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns
of behavior

In the 1980s, scholars (12) examined the early Kinsey
data to determine whether or not childhood sexual
experiences predicted adult behavior. The results were
significant: Homosexual experience in the early year,
particularly if it was one's first sexual experience -
was a strong predictor of adult homosexual behavior, both
for males and females. A similar pattern appeared in the
1970 Kinsey Institute (4) study: there was a strong
relationship between those whose first experience was
homosexual and those who practiced homosexuality in later
life. In the FRI study (5) two-thirds of the boys whose
first experience was homosexual engaged in homosexual
behavior as adults; 95% of those whose first experience
was heterosexual were likewise heterosexual in their
adult behavior. A similarly progressive pattern of sexual
behavior was reported for females. It is remarkable that
the three largest empirical studies of the question
showed essentially the same pattern. A child's first
sexual experiences were strongly associated with his or
her adult behavior.

5) Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors -
especially religious convictions

Kinsey reported &quot;less homosexual activity among devout
groups whether they be Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish,
and more homosexual activity among religiously less
active groups.&quot; (2) The 1983 FRI study found those raised
in irreligious homes to be over 4 times more likely to
become homosexual than those from devout homes . These
studies suggest that when people believe strongly that
homosexual behavior is immoral, they are significantly
less apt to be involved in such activity. Recently,
because of the AIDS epidemic, it has been discovered
that, relative to white males, twice as many black males
are homosexual (14) and 4 times as many are bisexual.
Perhaps it is related to the fact that 62% of black
versus 17% of white children are being raised in
fatherless homes. But even the worst racist wouldn't
suggest that it is due to genetic predisposition. Were
homosexual impulses truly inherited, we should be unable
to find differences in homosexual practice due to
religious upbringing or racial sub-culture.

6) Many change their sexual preferences

In a large random sample (5) 88% of women currently
claiming lesbian attraction and 73% of men claiming to
currently enjoy homosexual sex, said that they had been
sexually aroused by the opposite sex, 85% of these
&quot;lesbians&quot; and 54% of these &quot;homosexuals&quot; reported sexual
relations with someone of the opposite sex in adulthood,
67% of lesbians and 54% of homosexuals reported current
sexual attraction to the opposite sex, and 82% of
lesbians and 66% of homosexuals reported having been in
love with a member of the opposite sex. Homosexuals
experiment. They feel some normal impulses. Most have
been sexually aroused by, had sexual relations with, and
even fallen in love with someone of the opposite sex.
Nationwide random samples (11) of 904 men were asked
about their sex lives since age 21, and more
specifically, in the last year. As the figure reveals,
1.3% reported sex with men in the past year and 5.2% at
some time in adulthood. Less than 1% of men had only had
sex with men during their lives. And 6 of every 7 who had
had sex with men, also reported sex with women. It's a
much different story with inherited characteristics. Race
and gender are not optional lifestyles. They remain
immutable. The switching and experimentation demonstrated
in these two studies identifies homosexuality as a
preference, not an inevitability.

7) There are many ex-homosexuals

Many engage in one or two homosexual experiences and
never do it again- a pattern reported for a third of the
males with homosexual experience in one study. (1) And
then there are ex- homosexuals - those who have continued
in homosexual liaisons for a number of years and then
chose to change not only their habits, but also the
object of their desire. Sometimes this alteration occurs
as the result of psychotherapy; (10) in others it is
prompted by a religious or spiritual conversion. (18)
Similar to the kinds of &quot;cures&quot; achieved by drug addicts
and alcoholics, these treatments do not always remove
homosexual desire or temptation. Whatever the mechanism,
in a 1984 study (5) almost 2% of heterosexuals reported
that at one time they considered themselves to be
homosexual. It is clear that a substantial number of
people are reconsidering their sexual preferences at any
given time.

What causes homosexual desire?

If homosexual impulses are not inherited, what kinds of
influences do cause strong homosexual desires? No one
answer is acceptable to all researchers in the field.
Important factors, however, seem to fall into four
categories. As with so many other odd sexual
proclivities, males appear especially susceptible: 1.
Homosexual experience:

any homosexual experience in childhood, especially if it
is a first sexual experience or with an adult any
homosexual contact with an adult, particularly with a
relative or authority figure (in a random survey, 5% of
adult homosexuals vs 0.8% of heterosexuals reported
childhood sexual involvements with elementary or
secondary school teachers (5). 2. Family abnormality,
including the following:

a dominant, possessive, or rejecting mother an absent,
distant, or rejecting father a parent with homosexual
proclivities, particularly one who molests a child of the
same sex a sibling with homosexual tendencies,
particularly one who molests a brother or sister the lack
of a religious home environment divorce, which often
leads to sexual problems for both the children and the
adults parents who model unconventional sex roles
condoning homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle-
welcoming homosexuals (e.g., co-workers, friends) into
the family circle 3. Unusual sexual experience,
particularly in early childhood:

precocious or excessive masturbation exposure to
pornography in childhood depersonalized sex (e.g., group
sex, sex with animals) or girls, sexual interaction with
adult males 4. Cultural influences: a visible and
socially approved homosexual sub-culture that invites
curiosity and encourages exploration pro-homosexual sex
education openly homosexual authority figures, such as
teachers (4% of Kinsey's and 4% of FRI's gays reported
that their first homosexual experience was with a
teacher) societal and legal toleration of homosexual acts
depictions of homosexuality as normal and/or desirable
behavior

Can homosexuality be changed?

Certainly. As noted above, many people have turned away
from homosexuality - almost as many people call
themselves &quot;gay.&quot; Clearly the easier problem to eliminate
is homosexual behavior. Just as many heterosexuals
control their desires to engage in premarital or
extramarital sex, so some with homosexual desires
discipline themselves to abstain from homosexual contact.
One thing seems to stand out: Associations are all-
important. Anyone who wants to abstain from homosexual
behavior should avoid the company of practicing
homosexuals. There are organizations including &quot;ex-gay
ministries, &quot; (18) designed to help those who wish to
reform their conduct. Psychotherapy claims about a 30%
cure rate, and religious commitment seems to be the most
helpful factor in avoiding homosexual habits.


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#76: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 06:55:41 by Andrealphus

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&gt;&gt; &gt; I have not encouraged people to Hate anything.
&gt;&gt; &gt; Just keep deviant behavior off the TV set.
&gt;&gt; It's not going to happen, now what?
&gt;
&gt; Sure it will happen.

When it does, let us know. In the meantime don't remove that tinfoil hat.
LOL!

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#77: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 06:58:15 by Andrealphus

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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Sun, 29 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:
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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a
&gt; hobby.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; years and tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexually married ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; his homosexual interests began around the time of that
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; series,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ? Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;How did it happen?&quot;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; I just told you. BSG and other science fiction series turned
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; your
&gt;&gt; &gt; Son
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; to Sodomy and homosexual marriage. What would be your reaction ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;Freedom is so great !&quot; ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Well, first of all, I would realize that my son's homosexuality was
&gt;&gt; &gt; more
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; likely something he was born with and not something he &quot;learned&quot;
&gt; from
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; a TV series. In that case, I would realize that it is his life to
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; lead,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and if he is gay, he's gay. I can't live my life for my child. He
&gt; has
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; his own choices to make. If I did have a gay son, It would not
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; make me love him any less.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; But, I'm sure someone as closed minded and predjudiced as
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you can't understand something like that anyway.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Rick
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Rubbish. People are not born homosexual. If the affliction was
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; genetic, it would have died out long ago,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Nonsense. Your understanding of genetics is obviously limited.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; since homosexuals
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; under-reproduce, if they reproduce at all.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; A homosexual gene, if one exists, can be passed as a recessive gene
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; through the brothers and sisters of the gay person for generations
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; before it may show up again. It need not be passed by the
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; gay individual alone.
&gt;&gt; &gt; But a recessive gene is a recessive gene. Whenever it effects itself
&gt;&gt; &gt; in
&gt; a
&gt;&gt; &gt; genetic combat environment where it wins, it dies out. Eventually such
&gt; a
&gt;&gt; &gt; gene, over the generations, will die out.
&gt;&gt; No, that is absolutely not true. The recessive can be passed whether it
&gt;&gt; wins one battle or not.
&gt;&gt; &gt; Here is the truth about homosexuality origins:
&gt;&gt; &gt; =======================================
&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html" target="_blank">http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html</a>
&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? By
&gt;&gt; &gt; Paul Cameron, Ph.
&gt;&gt; Paul Cameron is a quack. Pure and simple.
&gt;
&gt; Explain why, if you want to be taken seriously.
&gt;

Let's see, he's been called a liar by three federal judges. His research
methodology is highly flawed, he's been booted out of every mainstream
professional organization he was ever a member off for his flawed research.
Is that enough?

He's a quack, it's not even debatable.

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#78: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 07:15:10 by Lars Eighner

In our last episode, &lt;GKwme.1390$<a href="mailto:Pp.1067&#64;fed1read01" target="_blank">Pp.1067&#64;fed1read01</a>&gt;, the lovely
and talented John Shocked broadcast on
alt.politics.homosexuality:

&gt; The second position is held by a number of psychoanalysts
&gt; (e.g., Bieber, Socarides).

Neither of these people can practice psychoanalysis in any
state in the Union.

&gt; 1) No researcher has found provable biological or genitic
&gt; differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals that
&gt; weren't caused by their behavior

&gt; Occasionally you may read about a scientific study that
&gt; suggests that homosexuality is an inherited tendency, but
&gt; such studies have usually been discounted after careful
&gt; scrutiny or attempts at replication. No one has found a
&gt; single

There is no reason to suppose that there is a single cause.

&gt; heredible genetic, hormonal or physical difference
&gt; between heterosexuals and homosexuals - at least none
&gt; that is replicable. (9, 12) While the absence of such a
&gt; discovery doesn't prove at inherited sexual tendencies
&gt; aren't possible, it suggests that none has been found
&gt; because none exists.

Although the human genome turns out to be much smaller than
anyone thought, only a tiny fraction of it is understood.

&gt; 2) People tend to believe that their sexual desires and
&gt; behaviors are learned

&gt; Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain
&gt; the origins of their desires and behaviors - how they
&gt; &quot;got that way.&quot;

Why would they know that any more than anyone else does?

&gt; 3) Older homosexuals often approach the young

Meaningless without a comparison to the numbers of
young people whose first heterosexual encounters were
initiated by an older person.

&gt; 4) Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns
&gt; of behavior

&gt; In the 1980s, scholars (12) examined the early Kinsey
&gt; data to determine whether or not childhood sexual
&gt; experiences predicted adult behavior. The results were
&gt; significant: Homosexual experience in the early year,
&gt; particularly if it was one's first sexual experience -
&gt; was a strong predictor of adult homosexual behavior, both
&gt; for males and females.

Not surprising. Naturally, young homosexual people would be
more open to such experiences and would remember them better.

&gt; life. In the FRI study (5) two-thirds of the boys whose
&gt; first experience was homosexual engaged in homosexual
&gt; behavior as adults; 95% of those whose first experience
&gt; was heterosexual were likewise heterosexual in their
&gt; adult behavior.

So both homosexual and heterosexual young people tend to know
their sexual preference early on.

&gt; A child's first sexual experiences were strongly associated
&gt; with his or her adult behavior.

Showing that sexual orientation is established at a very early
age - exactly as would be expected if sexual orientation were
already fixed at birth.

&gt; 5) Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors -
&gt; especially religious convictions

&gt; Kinsey reported &quot;less homosexual activity among devout
&gt; groups whether they be Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish,
&gt; and more homosexual activity among religiously less
&gt; active groups.&quot;

Of course. Homosexuals leave cults. People whose sexuality is
in line with the dictates of their cult's leaders are not so
motivated to leave. People can change religion or do without it
altogether. They cannot change their sexuality.

&gt; 6) Many change their sexual preferences

Bullshit.

&gt; In a large random sample (5) 88% of women currently
&gt; claiming lesbian attraction and 73% of men claiming to
&gt; currently enjoy homosexual sex, said that they had been
&gt; sexually aroused by the opposite sex, 85% of these
&gt; &quot;lesbians&quot; and 54% of these &quot;homosexuals&quot; reported sexual
&gt; relations with someone of the opposite sex in adulthood,

We know that there are significantly more bisexuals than
there are homosexuals.

&gt; 7) There are many ex-homosexuals

&gt; Many engage in one or two homosexual experiences and
&gt; never do it again- a pattern reported for a third of the
&gt; males with homosexual experience in one study.

And many homosexuals have experimented with heterosexual sex.
The number of bisexuals and heterosexuals who have had
homosexual experiences far exceeds the number of homosexuals.
Eating a salad doesn't make you a vegetarian, and following the
salad with a steak doesn't make you an &quot;ex-vegetarian.&quot;

&gt; What causes homosexual desire?

&gt; If homosexual impulses are not inherited, what kinds of
&gt; influences do cause strong homosexual desires? No one
&gt; answer is acceptable to all researchers in the field.
&gt; Important factors, however, seem to fall into four
&gt; categories.

Wait a minute. You discounted biological causes because there
wasn't a &quot;single&quot; one. Now you are going to parade a cafeteria
line of social, psychological, and cultures &quot;causes.&quot; Isn't
there a &quot;single&quot; one? If biological explanations cannot be true
because there isn't a &quot;single&quot; cause, how can non-biological
explanations be any better?

&gt; Can homosexuality be changed?

&gt; Certainly.

Bullshit. People who make such claims refuse to subject their
claims to scientific scrutiny precisely because it's snake oil.


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- Doug Horton

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#79: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 07:18:18 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a
&gt; &gt; hobby.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; years and tells you he is a homosexual and is about to
be
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexually married ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; his homosexual interests began around the time of that
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; series,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ? Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;How did it happen?&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; I just told you. BSG and other science fiction series turned
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; your
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Son
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; to Sodomy and homosexual marriage. What would be your reaction
?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;Freedom is so great !&quot; ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Well, first of all, I would realize that my son's homosexuality
was
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; more
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; likely something he was born with and not something he &quot;learned&quot;
&gt; &gt; from
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; a TV series. In that case, I would realize that it is his life to
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; lead,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and if he is gay, he's gay. I can't live my life for my child. He
&gt; &gt; has
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; his own choices to make. If I did have a gay son, It would not
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; make me love him any less.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; But, I'm sure someone as closed minded and predjudiced as
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you can't understand something like that anyway.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Rick
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Rubbish. People are not born homosexual. If the affliction was
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; genetic, it would have died out long ago,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Nonsense. Your understanding of genetics is obviously limited.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; since homosexuals
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; under-reproduce, if they reproduce at all.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; A homosexual gene, if one exists, can be passed as a recessive gene
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; through the brothers and sisters of the gay person for generations
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; before it may show up again. It need not be passed by the
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; gay individual alone.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But a recessive gene is a recessive gene. Whenever it effects itself
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; in
&gt; &gt; a
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; genetic combat environment where it wins, it dies out. Eventually
such
&gt; &gt; a
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; gene, over the generations, will die out.
&gt; &gt;&gt; No, that is absolutely not true. The recessive can be passed whether
it
&gt; &gt;&gt; wins one battle or not.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Here is the truth about homosexuality origins:
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; =======================================
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html" target="_blank">http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html</a>
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? By
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Paul Cameron, Ph.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Paul Cameron is a quack. Pure and simple.
&gt; &gt; Explain why, if you want to be taken seriously.
&gt; Let's see, he's been called a liar by three federal judges. His research
&gt; methodology is highly flawed, he's been booted out of every mainstream
&gt; professional organization he was ever a member off for his flawed
research.
&gt; Is that enough?
&gt; He's a quack, it's not even debatable.

Again, these are worthless statements without proof.
Provide URLs documenting these claims you are making.

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What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? By
Paul Cameron, Ph. D. Dr. Cameron is Chariman of the
Family Research Institute of

Colorado Springs, Colorado USA. Click here for more
information about this organization. You may contact him
at: Family Research Institute, PO Box 62640, Colorado
Springs, CO 80962 USA. Phone number: (303) 681-3113. (No
e-mail address.)

Most of us fail to understand why anyone would want to
engage in homosexual activity. To the average person, the
very idea is either puzzling or repugnant. Indeed, a
recent survey (1) indicated that only 14% of men and 10%
of women imagined that such behavior could hold any
&quot;possibility of enjoyment.&quot;

The peculiar nature of homosexual desire has led some
people to conclude that this urge must be innate: that a
certain number of people are &quot;born that way,&quot; that sexual
preferences cannot be changed or even ended. What does
the best research really indicate? Are homosexual
proclivities natural or irresistible?

At least three answers seem possible. The first, the
answer of tradition, is as follows: homosexual behavior
is a bad habit that people fall into because they are
sexually permissive and experimental. This view holds rat
homosexuals choose their lifestyle as the result of self-
indulgence and an unwillingness to play by society rules.
The second position is held by a number of psychoanalysts
(e.g., Bieber, Socarides). According to them, homosexual
behavior is a mental illness, symptomatic of arrested
development. They believe that homosexuals have unnatural
or perverse desires as a consequence of poor familial
relations in childhood or some other trauma. The third
view is &quot;biological&quot; and holds that such desires are
genetic or hormonal in origin, and that there is no
choice involved and no &quot;childhood trauma&quot; necessary.

Which of these views is most consistent with the facts?
Which tells us the most about homosexual behavior and its
origins? The answer seems to be that homosexual behavior
is learned. The following seven lines of evidence support
such a conclusion.

1) No researcher has found provable biological or genitic
differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals that
weren't caused by their behavior

Occasionally you may read about a scientific study that
suggests that homosexuality is an inherited tendency, but
such studies have usually been discounted after careful
scrutiny or attempts at replication. No one has found a
single heredible genetic, hormonal or physical difference
between heterosexuals and homosexuals - at least none
that is replicable. (9, 12) While the absence of such a
discovery doesn't prove at inherited sexual tendencies
aren't possible, it suggests that none has been found
because none exists.

2) People tend to believe that their sexual desires and
behaviors are learned

Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain
the origins of their desires and behaviors - how they
&quot;got that way.&quot; The first of these studies was conducted
by Kinsey in the 1940s and involved 1700 homosexuals. The
second, in 1970, (4) involved 979 homosexuals. Both were
conducted prior to the period when the &quot;gay rights&quot;
movement started to politicize the issue of homosexual
origins. Both reported essentially the same findings:
Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and
behavior were the result of social or environmental
influences. In a 1983 study conducted by the Family
Research Institute (5) (FRI) involving a random sample of
147 homosexuals, 35% said their sexual desires were
hereditary. Interestingly, almost 80% of the 3,400
heterosexuals in the same study said that their
preferences and behavior were learned (see Table 1
below). Table 1 Reasons For Preferring: homosexuality
(1940s and 1970) early homosexual experience(s) with
adults and/or peers - 22% homosexual friends/ around
homosexuals a lot - 16% poor relationship with mother -
15% unusual development (was a sissy, artistic, couldn't
get along with own sex, tom-boy, et cetera) - 15% poor
relationship with father - 14% heterosexual partners
unavailable - 12% social ineptitude - 9% born that way -
9% heterosexuality (1983) I was around heterosexuals a
lot - 39% society teaches heterosexuality and I responded
- 34% born that way - 22% my parents, marriage was so
good I wanted to have what they had - 21% I tried it and
liked it - 12% childhood heterosexual experiences with
peers it was the ''in thing&quot; in my crowd - 9% I was
seduced by a heterosexual adult - 5% While these results
aren't conclusive, they tell something about the very
recent tendency to believe that homosexual behavior is
inherited or biologic. From the 1930s (when Kinsey
started collecting data) to the early 1970s, before a
&quot;politically correct&quot; answer emerged, only about 10% of
homosexuals claimed they were &quot;born that way.&quot;
Heterosexuals apparently continue to believe that their
behavior is primarily a result of social conditioning.

3) Older homosexuals often approach the young

There is evidence that homosexuality, like drug use is
&quot;handed down&quot; from older individuals. The first
homosexual encounter is usually initiated by an older
person. In separate studies 60%, (6) 64%, (3) and 61%
(10) of the respondents claimed that their first partner
was someone older who initiated the sexual experience.
How this happens is suggested by a nationwide random
study from Britain: (17) 35% of boys and 9% of girl said
they were approached for sex by adult homosexuals.
Whether for attention, curiosity, or by force, 2% of the
boys and 1% of the girls succumbed. In the US, (1) 37% of
males and 9% of females reported having been approached
for homosexual sex (65% of those doing the inviting were
older). Likewise, a study of over 400 London teenagers
reported that &quot;for the boys, their first homosexual
experience was very likely with someone older: half the
boys' first partner were 20 or older; for girls it was 43
percent.&quot; (13) A quarter of homosexuals have admitted to
sex with children and underaged teens, (6,5,8) suggesting
the homosexuality is introduced to youngsters the same
way other behaviors are learned - by experience.

4) Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns
of behavior

In the 1980s, scholars (12) examined the early Kinsey
data to determine whether or not childhood sexual
experiences predicted adult behavior. The results were
significant: Homosexual experience in the early year,
particularly if it was one's first sexual experience -
was a strong predictor of adult homosexual behavior, both
for males and females. A similar pattern appeared in the
1970 Kinsey Institute (4) study: there was a strong
relationship between those whose first experience was
homosexual and those who practiced homosexuality in later
life. In the FRI study (5) two-thirds of the boys whose
first experience was homosexual engaged in homosexual
behavior as adults; 95% of those whose first experience
was heterosexual were likewise heterosexual in their
adult behavior. A similarly progressive pattern of sexual
behavior was reported for females. It is remarkable that
the three largest empirical studies of the question
showed essentially the same pattern. A child's first
sexual experiences were strongly associated with his or
her adult behavior.

5) Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors -
especially religious convictions

Kinsey reported &quot;less homosexual activity among devout
groups whether they be Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish,
and more homosexual activity among religiously less
active groups.&quot; (2) The 1983 FRI study found those raised
in irreligious homes to be over 4 times more likely to
become homosexual than those from devout homes . These
studies suggest that when people believe strongly that
homosexual behavior is immoral, they are significantly
less apt to be involved in such activity. Recently,
because of the AIDS epidemic, it has been discovered
that, relative to white males, twice as many black males
are homosexual (14) and 4 times as many are bisexual.
Perhaps it is related to the fact that 62% of black
versus 17% of white children are being raised in
fatherless homes. But even the worst racist wouldn't
suggest that it is due to genetic predisposition. Were
homosexual impulses truly inherited, we should be unable
to find differences in homosexual practice due to
religious upbringing or racial sub-culture.

6) Many change their sexual preferences

In a large random sample (5) 88% of women currently
claiming lesbian attraction and 73% of men claiming to
currently enjoy homosexual sex, said that they had been
sexually aroused by the opposite sex, 85% of these
&quot;lesbians&quot; and 54% of these &quot;homosexuals&quot; reported sexual
relations with someone of the opposite sex in adulthood,
67% of lesbians and 54% of homosexuals reported current
sexual attraction to the opposite sex, and 82% of
lesbians and 66% of homosexuals reported having been in
love with a member of the opposite sex. Homosexuals
experiment. They feel some normal impulses. Most have
been sexually aroused by, had sexual relations with, and
even fallen in love with someone of the opposite sex.
Nationwide random samples (11) of 904 men were asked
about their sex lives since age 21, and more
specifically, in the last year. As the figure reveals,
1.3% reported sex with men in the past year and 5.2% at
some time in adulthood. Less than 1% of men had only had
sex with men during their lives. And 6 of every 7 who had
had sex with men, also reported sex with women. It's a
much different story with inherited characteristics. Race
and gender are not optional lifestyles. They remain
immutable. The switching and experimentation demonstrated
in these two studies identifies homosexuality as a
preference, not an inevitability.

7) There are many ex-homosexuals

Many engage in one or two homosexual experiences and
never do it again- a pattern reported for a third of the
males with homosexual experience in one study. (1) And
then there are ex- homosexuals - those who have continued
in homosexual liaisons for a number of years and then
chose to change not only their habits, but also the
object of their desire. Sometimes this alteration occurs
as the result of psychotherapy; (10) in others it is
prompted by a religious or spiritual conversion. (18)
Similar to the kinds of &quot;cures&quot; achieved by drug addicts
and alcoholics, these treatments do not always remove
homosexual desire or temptation. Whatever the mechanism,
in a 1984 study (5) almost 2% of heterosexuals reported
that at one time they considered themselves to be
homosexual. It is clear that a substantial number of
people are reconsidering their sexual preferences at any
given time.

What causes homosexual desire?

If homosexual impulses are not inherited, what kinds of
influences do cause strong homosexual desires? No one
answer is acceptable to all researchers in the field.
Important factors, however, seem to fall into four
categories. As with so many other odd sexual
proclivities, males appear especially susceptible: 1.
Homosexual experience:

any homosexual experience in childhood, especially if it
is a first sexual experience or with an adult any
homosexual contact with an adult, particularly with a
relative or authority figure (in a random survey, 5% of
adult homosexuals vs 0.8% of heterosexuals reported
childhood sexual involvements with elementary or
secondary school teachers (5). 2. Family abnormality,
including the following:

a dominant, possessive, or rejecting mother an absent,
distant, or rejecting father a parent with homosexual
proclivities, particularly one who molests a child of the
same sex a sibling with homosexual tendencies,
particularly one who molests a brother or sister the lack
of a religious home environment divorce, which often
leads to sexual problems for both the children and the
adults parents who model unconventional sex roles
condoning homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle-
welcoming homosexuals (e.g., co-workers, friends) into
the family circle 3. Unusual sexual experience,
particularly in early childhood:

precocious or excessive masturbation exposure to
pornography in childhood depersonalized sex (e.g., group
sex, sex with animals) or girls, sexual interaction with
adult males 4. Cultural influences: a visible and
socially approved homosexual sub-culture that invites
curiosity and encourages exploration pro-homosexual sex
education openly homosexual authority figures, such as
teachers (4% of Kinsey's and 4% of FRI's gays reported
that their first homosexual experience was with a
teacher) societal and legal toleration of homosexual acts
depictions of homosexuality as normal and/or desirable
behavior

Can homosexuality be changed?

Certainly. As noted above, many people have turned away
from homosexuality - almost as many people call
themselves &quot;gay.&quot; Clearly the easier problem to eliminate
is homosexual behavior. Just as many heterosexuals
control their desires to engage in premarital or
extramarital sex, so some with homosexual desires
discipline themselves to abstain from homosexual contact.
One thing seems to stand out: Associations are all-
important. Anyone who wants to abstain from homosexual
behavior should avoid the company of practicing
homosexuals. There are organizations including &quot;ex-gay
ministries, &quot; (18) designed to help those who wish to
reform their conduct. Psychotherapy claims about a 30%
cure rate, and religious commitment seems to be the most
helpful factor in avoiding homosexual habits.


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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; years and tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexually married ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; his homosexual interests began around the time of that
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; series,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ? Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;How did it happen?&quot;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; I just told you. BSG and other science fiction series turned your
&gt; Son
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; to Sodomy and homosexual marriage. What would be your reaction ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;Freedom is so great !&quot; ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Well, first of all, I would realize that my son's homosexuality was
&gt; more
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; likely something he was born with and not something he &quot;learned&quot; from
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; a TV series. In that case, I would realize that it is his life to
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; lead,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and if he is gay, he's gay. I can't live my life for my child. He has
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; his own choices to make. If I did have a gay son, It would not
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; make me love him any less.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; But, I'm sure someone as closed minded and predjudiced as
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you can't understand something like that anyway.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Rick
&gt;&gt; &gt; Rubbish. People are not born homosexual. If the affliction was
&gt;&gt; &gt; genetic, it would have died out long ago,
&gt;&gt; Nonsense. Your understanding of genetics is obviously limited.
&gt;&gt; since homosexuals
&gt;&gt; &gt; under-reproduce, if they reproduce at all.
&gt;&gt; A homosexual gene, if one exists, can be passed as a recessive gene
&gt; through
&gt;&gt; the brothers and sisters of the gay person for generations before it may
&gt;&gt; show up again. It need not be passed by the gay individual alone.
&gt;
&gt; But a recessive gene is a recessive gene. Whenever it effects itself in a
&gt; genetic combat environment where it wins, it dies out. Eventually such a
&gt; gene,
&gt; over the generations, will die out.

No. The human race has plenty of recessive genes that are harmful to life.
Birth defects are common. If your reasoning was correct, there would be no
birth defects because they would die out with the lives they have killed.


&gt;
&gt; Here is the truth about homosexuality origins:
&gt;
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&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html" target="_blank">http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? By
&gt; Paul Cameron, Ph. D. Dr. Cameron is Chariman of the
&gt; Family Research Institute of
&gt;
&gt; Colorado Springs, Colorado USA. Click here for more
&gt; information about this organization. You may contact him
&gt; at: Family Research Institute, PO Box 62640, Colorado
&gt; Springs, CO 80962 USA. Phone number: (303) 681-3113. (No
&gt; e-mail address.)
&gt;
&gt; Most of us fail to understand why anyone would want to
&gt; engage in homosexual activity. To the average person, the
&gt; very idea is either puzzling or repugnant. Indeed, a
&gt; recent survey (1) indicated that only 14% of men and 10%
&gt; of women imagined that such behavior could hold any
&gt; &quot;possibility of enjoyment.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; The peculiar nature of homosexual desire has led some
&gt; people to conclude that this urge must be innate: that a
&gt; certain number of people are &quot;born that way,&quot; that sexual
&gt; preferences cannot be changed or even ended. What does
&gt; the best research really indicate? Are homosexual
&gt; proclivities natural or irresistible?
&gt;
&gt; At least three answers seem possible. The first, the
&gt; answer of tradition, is as follows: homosexual behavior
&gt; is a bad habit that people fall into because they are
&gt; sexually permissive and experimental. This view holds rat
&gt; homosexuals choose their lifestyle as the result of self-
&gt; indulgence and an unwillingness to play by society rules.
&gt; The second position is held by a number of psychoanalysts
&gt; (e.g., Bieber, Socarides). According to them, homosexual
&gt; behavior is a mental illness, symptomatic of arrested
&gt; development. They believe that homosexuals have unnatural
&gt; or perverse desires as a consequence of poor familial
&gt; relations in childhood or some other trauma. The third
&gt; view is &quot;biological&quot; and holds that such desires are
&gt; genetic or hormonal in origin, and that there is no
&gt; choice involved and no &quot;childhood trauma&quot; necessary.
&gt;
&gt; Which of these views is most consistent with the facts?
&gt; Which tells us the most about homosexual behavior and its
&gt; origins? The answer seems to be that homosexual behavior
&gt; is learned. The following seven lines of evidence support
&gt; such a conclusion.
&gt;
&gt; 1) No researcher has found provable biological or genitic
&gt; differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals that
&gt; weren't caused by their behavior
&gt;
&gt; Occasionally you may read about a scientific study that
&gt; suggests that homosexuality is an inherited tendency, but
&gt; such studies have usually been discounted after careful
&gt; scrutiny or attempts at replication. No one has found a
&gt; single heredible genetic, hormonal or physical difference
&gt; between heterosexuals and homosexuals - at least none
&gt; that is replicable. (9, 12) While the absence of such a
&gt; discovery doesn't prove at inherited sexual tendencies
&gt; aren't possible, it suggests that none has been found
&gt; because none exists.
&gt;
&gt; 2) People tend to believe that their sexual desires and
&gt; behaviors are learned
&gt;
&gt; Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain
&gt; the origins of their desires and behaviors - how they
&gt; &quot;got that way.&quot; The first of these studies was conducted
&gt; by Kinsey in the 1940s and involved 1700 homosexuals. The
&gt; second, in 1970, (4) involved 979 homosexuals. Both were
&gt; conducted prior to the period when the &quot;gay rights&quot;
&gt; movement started to politicize the issue of homosexual
&gt; origins. Both reported essentially the same findings:
&gt; Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and
&gt; behavior were the result of social or environmental
&gt; influences. In a 1983 study conducted by the Family
&gt; Research Institute (5) (FRI) involving a random sample of
&gt; 147 homosexuals, 35% said their sexual desires were
&gt; hereditary. Interestingly, almost 80% of the 3,400
&gt; heterosexuals in the same study said that their
&gt; preferences and behavior were learned (see Table 1
&gt; below). Table 1 Reasons For Preferring: homosexuality
&gt; (1940s and 1970) early homosexual experience(s) with
&gt; adults and/or peers - 22% homosexual friends/ around
&gt; homosexuals a lot - 16% poor relationship with mother -
&gt; 15% unusual development (was a sissy, artistic, couldn't
&gt; get along with own sex, tom-boy, et cetera) - 15% poor
&gt; relationship with father - 14% heterosexual partners
&gt; unavailable - 12% social ineptitude - 9% born that way -
&gt; 9% heterosexuality (1983) I was around heterosexuals a
&gt; lot - 39% society teaches heterosexuality and I responded
&gt; - 34% born that way - 22% my parents, marriage was so
&gt; good I wanted to have what they had - 21% I tried it and
&gt; liked it - 12% childhood heterosexual experiences with
&gt; peers it was the ''in thing&quot; in my crowd - 9% I was
&gt; seduced by a heterosexual adult - 5% While these results
&gt; aren't conclusive, they tell something about the very
&gt; recent tendency to believe that homosexual behavior is
&gt; inherited or biologic. From the 1930s (when Kinsey
&gt; started collecting data) to the early 1970s, before a
&gt; &quot;politically correct&quot; answer emerged, only about 10% of
&gt; homosexuals claimed they were &quot;born that way.&quot;
&gt; Heterosexuals apparently continue to believe that their
&gt; behavior is primarily a result of social conditioning.
&gt;
&gt; 3) Older homosexuals often approach the young
&gt;
&gt; There is evidence that homosexuality, like drug use is
&gt; &quot;handed down&quot; from older individuals. The first
&gt; homosexual encounter is usually initiated by an older
&gt; person. In separate studies 60%, (6) 64%, (3) and 61%
&gt; (10) of the respondents claimed that their first partner
&gt; was someone older who initiated the sexual experience.
&gt; How this happens is suggested by a nationwide random
&gt; study from Britain: (17) 35% of boys and 9% of girl said
&gt; they were approached for sex by adult homosexuals.
&gt; Whether for attention, curiosity, or by force, 2% of the
&gt; boys and 1% of the girls succumbed. In the US, (1) 37% of
&gt; males and 9% of females reported having been approached
&gt; for homosexual sex (65% of those doing the inviting were
&gt; older). Likewise, a study of over 400 London teenagers
&gt; reported that &quot;for the boys, their first homosexual
&gt; experience was very likely with someone older: half the
&gt; boys' first partner were 20 or older; for girls it was 43
&gt; percent.&quot; (13) A quarter of homosexuals have admitted to
&gt; sex with children and underaged teens, (6,5,8) suggesting
&gt; the homosexuality is introduced to youngsters the same
&gt; way other behaviors are learned - by experience.
&gt;
&gt; 4) Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns
&gt; of behavior
&gt;
&gt; In the 1980s, scholars (12) examined the early Kinsey
&gt; data to determine whether or not childhood sexual
&gt; experiences predicted adult behavior. The results were
&gt; significant: Homosexual experience in the early year,
&gt; particularly if it was one's first sexual experience -
&gt; was a strong predictor of adult homosexual behavior, both
&gt; for males and females. A similar pattern appeared in the
&gt; 1970 Kinsey Institute (4) study: there was a strong
&gt; relationship between those whose first experience was
&gt; homosexual and those who practiced homosexuality in later
&gt; life. In the FRI study (5) two-thirds of the boys whose
&gt; first experience was homosexual engaged in homosexual
&gt; behavior as adults; 95% of those whose first experience
&gt; was heterosexual were likewise heterosexual in their
&gt; adult behavior. A similarly progressive pattern of sexual
&gt; behavior was reported for females. It is remarkable that
&gt; the three largest empirical studies of the question
&gt; showed essentially the same pattern. A child's first
&gt; sexual experiences were strongly associated with his or
&gt; her adult behavior.
&gt;
&gt; 5) Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors -
&gt; especially religious convictions
&gt;
&gt; Kinsey reported &quot;less homosexual activity among devout
&gt; groups whether they be Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish,
&gt; and more homosexual activity among religiously less
&gt; active groups.&quot; (2) The 1983 FRI study found those raised
&gt; in irreligious homes to be over 4 times more likely to
&gt; become homosexual than those from devout homes . These
&gt; studies suggest that when people believe strongly that
&gt; homosexual behavior is immoral, they are significantly
&gt; less apt to be involved in such activity. Recently,
&gt; because of the AIDS epidemic, it has been discovered
&gt; that, relative to white males, twice as many black males
&gt; are homosexual (14) and 4 times as many are bisexual.
&gt; Perhaps it is related to the fact that 62% of black
&gt; versus 17% of white children are being raised in
&gt; fatherless homes. But even the worst racist wouldn't
&gt; suggest that it is due to genetic predisposition. Were
&gt; homosexual impulses truly inherited, we should be unable
&gt; to find differences in homosexual practice due to
&gt; religious upbringing or racial sub-culture.
&gt;
&gt; 6) Many change their sexual preferences
&gt;
&gt; In a large random sample (5) 88% of women currently
&gt; claiming lesbian attraction and 73% of men claiming to
&gt; currently enjoy homosexual sex, said that they had been
&gt; sexually aroused by the opposite sex, 85% of these
&gt; &quot;lesbians&quot; and 54% of these &quot;homosexuals&quot; reported sexual
&gt; relations with someone of the opposite sex in adulthood,
&gt; 67% of lesbians and 54% of homosexuals reported current
&gt; sexual attraction to the opposite sex, and 82% of
&gt; lesbians and 66% of homosexuals reported having been in
&gt; love with a member of the opposite sex. Homosexuals
&gt; experiment. They feel some normal impulses. Most have
&gt; been sexually aroused by, had sexual relations with, and
&gt; even fallen in love with someone of the opposite sex.
&gt; Nationwide random samples (11) of 904 men were asked
&gt; about their sex lives since age 21, and more
&gt; specifically, in the last year. As the figure reveals,
&gt; 1.3% reported sex with men in the past year and 5.2% at
&gt; some time in adulthood. Less than 1% of men had only had
&gt; sex with men during their lives. And 6 of every 7 who had
&gt; had sex with men, also reported sex with women. It's a
&gt; much different story with inherited characteristics. Race
&gt; and gender are not optional lifestyles. They remain
&gt; immutable. The switching and experimentation demonstrated
&gt; in these two studies identifies homosexuality as a
&gt; preference, not an inevitability.
&gt;
&gt; 7) There are many ex-homosexuals
&gt;
&gt; Many engage in one or two homosexual experiences and
&gt; never do it again- a pattern reported for a third of the
&gt; males with homosexual experience in one study. (1) And
&gt; then there are ex- homosexuals - those who have continued
&gt; in homosexual liaisons for a number of years and then
&gt; chose to change not only their habits, but also the
&gt; object of their desire. Sometimes this alteration occurs
&gt; as the result of psychotherapy; (10) in others it is
&gt; prompted by a religious or spiritual conversion. (18)
&gt; Similar to the kinds of &quot;cures&quot; achieved by drug addicts
&gt; and alcoholics, these treatments do not always remove
&gt; homosexual desire or temptation. Whatever the mechanism,
&gt; in a 1984 study (5) almost 2% of heterosexuals reported
&gt; that at one time they considered themselves to be
&gt; homosexual. It is clear that a substantial number of
&gt; people are reconsidering their sexual preferences at any
&gt; given time.
&gt;
&gt; What causes homosexual desire?
&gt;
&gt; If homosexual impulses are not inherited, what kinds of
&gt; influences do cause strong homosexual desires? No one
&gt; answer is acceptable to all researchers in the field.
&gt; Important factors, however, seem to fall into four
&gt; categories. As with so many other odd sexual
&gt; proclivities, males appear especially susceptible: 1.
&gt; Homosexual experience:
&gt;
&gt; any homosexual experience in childhood, especially if it
&gt; is a first sexual experience or with an adult any
&gt; homosexual contact with an adult, particularly with a
&gt; relative or authority figure (in a random survey, 5% of
&gt; adult homosexuals vs 0.8% of heterosexuals reported
&gt; childhood sexual involvements with elementary or
&gt; secondary school teachers (5). 2. Family abnormality,
&gt; including the following:
&gt;
&gt; a dominant, possessive, or rejecting mother an absent,
&gt; distant, or rejecting father a parent with homosexual
&gt; proclivities, particularly one who molests a child of the
&gt; same sex a sibling with homosexual tendencies,
&gt; particularly one who molests a brother or sister the lack
&gt; of a religious home environment divorce, which often
&gt; leads to sexual problems for both the children and the
&gt; adults parents who model unconventional sex roles
&gt; condoning homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle-
&gt; welcoming homosexuals (e.g., co-workers, friends) into
&gt; the family circle 3. Unusual sexual experience,
&gt; particularly in early childhood:
&gt;
&gt; precocious or excessive masturbation exposure to
&gt; pornography in childhood depersonalized sex (e.g., group
&gt; sex, sex with animals) or girls, sexual interaction with
&gt; adult males 4. Cultural influences: a visible and
&gt; socially approved homosexual sub-culture that invites
&gt; curiosity and encourages exploration pro-homosexual sex
&gt; education openly homosexual authority figures, such as
&gt; teachers (4% of Kinsey's and 4% of FRI's gays reported
&gt; that their first homosexual experience was with a
&gt; teacher) societal and legal toleration of homosexual acts
&gt; depictions of homosexuality as normal and/or desirable
&gt; behavior
&gt;
&gt; Can homosexuality be changed?
&gt;
&gt; Certainly. As noted above, many people have turned away
&gt; from homosexuality - almost as many people call
&gt; themselves &quot;gay.&quot; Clearly the easier problem to eliminate
&gt; is homosexual behavior. Just as many heterosexuals
&gt; control their desires to engage in premarital or
&gt; extramarital sex, so some with homosexual desires
&gt; discipline themselves to abstain from homosexual contact.
&gt; One thing seems to stand out: Associations are all-
&gt; important. Anyone who wants to abstain from homosexual
&gt; behavior should avoid the company of practicing
&gt; homosexuals. There are organizations including &quot;ex-gay
&gt; ministries, &quot; (18) designed to help those who wish to
&gt; reform their conduct. Psychotherapy claims about a 30%
&gt; cure rate, and religious commitment seems to be the most
&gt; helpful factor in avoiding homosexual habits.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; ==========================================
&gt;
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#81: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 07:24:36 by FDR

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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Yes.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Saying, &quot;God damnit&quot; could be that. Drinking and smoking could be
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; that.
&gt;&gt; &gt; Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
&gt;&gt; &gt; against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
&gt;&gt; &gt; 11 out of 11 US States.
&gt;&gt; People do have more than one channel on their tv? Do their tv's also
&gt;&gt; have
&gt;&gt; on/off buttons?
&gt;
&gt; Again, people do not want to have their time wasted looking for these
&gt; hidden advertisements. Hidden advertisements have already been
&gt; investigated by the Congress, representing the public, and have been
&gt; declared to be illegal, for this reason.

If it's hidden, then how is it known?

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#82: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 07:29:58 by FDR

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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; News Bulletin from www.scifi.com :
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html" target="_blank">http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html</a>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; ==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; themes and issues.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; follows.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Novel
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Short Fiction
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Other Work
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and
&gt; Michael
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Lark
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; =====================================
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; You're anti-gay postings are affecting my brain. I have now
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; turned into an ultra-conservative, gay hating bigot. Your work
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; is done. Your message is much more powerful than broadcast tv.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I will now hate tv, BSG and gays as much as you.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Do you have any further commands for me master?
&gt;&gt; &gt; If you hate Homosexuals, you must already have hated them,
&gt;&gt; &gt; because nothing in what I have stated in any way encourages
&gt;&gt; &gt; Hate of any kind.
&gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; I thought you described it as deviant? Should we not hate
&gt;&gt; deviant behavior?
&gt;
&gt; I have not encouraged people to Hate anything.
&gt; Just keep deviant behavior off the TV set.

Each one of us deems what they consider acceptable behavior. If we don't
like it, we turn the channel. I don't want to watch Britney Spears' new
show, so I don't. It's easy.

Let people have the choice. Don't make the choice for me.

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#83: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 07:42:28 by FDR

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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; themes and issues.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; follows.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Novel
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Short Fiction
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Other Work
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and
&gt; Michael
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Lark
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; =====================================
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; You're anti-gay postings are affecting my brain. I have now
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; turned into an ultra-conservative, gay hating bigot. Your work
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; is done. Your message is much more powerful than broadcast tv.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I will now hate tv, BSG and gays as much as you.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Do you have any further commands for me master?
&gt;&gt; &gt; If you hate Homosexuals, you must already have hated them,
&gt;&gt; &gt; because nothing in what I have stated in any way encourages
&gt;&gt; &gt; Hate of any kind.
&gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; I thought you described it as deviant? Should we not hate
&gt;&gt; deviant behavior?
&gt;
&gt; I have not encouraged people to Hate anything.
&gt; Just keep deviant behavior off the TV set.

What will happen if this hidden deviant behavior stays on tv? If I watch
this hidden behavior on this show, will I turn gay? Should I watch BSG and
see if I start liking guys after that? Will a show really make me want to
get a dick in the ass? You've seen the show, do you want a dick in the ass
now? If you don't then it's not working and we shouldn't worry. If you do
want to get fucked in the ass now, do you feel good about it or bad? Do you
have shameful feelings? Do you take it in the ass while drinking Coke? You
know Coke ran an ad and you had to buy it because Coke is run by powerful
people that know what they are doing and spent billions selling you on it.
Because if you didn't drink Coke while getting it in the ass, then the CEO
of Coke would be fired. Oh wait, Pepsi is alos run by smart and powerful
people too and spent billions and must be right for spending that money too.
So do you have to drink a Coke and a Pepsi while getting fucked in the ass?
Would you feel better if you sucked the CEO of Pepsi while the Coke CEO
banged you in the ass?

All because of this hidden message that is so powerful that it is turning
the country gay without any hope of turning back. Oh, but it will be a gay
country that sucks corporate cock while drinking Pepsi and Coke because they
must be right to spend so much on their ads.

Do I have it about right? Now go back to sucking cock and getting fucked in
the ass because you saw a show that makes people want to do that. Don't
foget your Coke and Pepsi or else CEOs will be fired.....



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#84: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 07:51:08 by Frank Franklinson

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&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; message
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&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a
&gt; &gt; &gt; hobby.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few
&gt; years
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be
&gt; &gt; &gt; homosexually
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; married ?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and
how
&gt; &gt; &gt; his
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that
&gt; series,
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; So Johnny boy, you are saying we are all weak in our
&gt; sexuality,
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and that a mere TV show can turn a straight person gay?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Are you really that fucking clueless? Are you telling me
that
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you are one show away from sucking a dick?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I'm not. And no song, book, TV show, comic book, or movie
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; is going to change
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; my orientation.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; You really are showing you ignorance. Either that, or you
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; just love stirring up a bee's nest with your silly bullshit.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Next you will start telling us that Advertisements do not
work
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; and that all those Billion dollar corporations who buy
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; advertising
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; time explicitly in the advertising segments of your favorite
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; TV show are just wasting their money, right ?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; No one ever takes their own hard earned cash
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; money out of their pocket and spends it on a product, that
all
&gt; &gt; &gt; they
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; know of it is what that paid advertisement told them, right ?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Right. I buy what I need, not what the tube tells me to.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Grow some balls.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Do you buy every fucking thing that you see an ad for? If you
do
&gt; &gt; &gt; then
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you are in the extreme minority.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I hope you don't watch the WE network. All those women's shows
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; might cause you to have a sex change operation.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Are you admitting that the Billions of dollars of corporate
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; advertisements spent each year on TV work or not ?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I think that they are largely a waste of money.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The corporations have people working for them who are paid a lot
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; more money than you are and they all disagree with you. All of
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; these Vice-Presidents of huge billion dollar corporations believe
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; that advertisements during your favorite TV show do work, and
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; they spend $Billions per year on it.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; How could you be right, and all of these Vice Presidents who
&gt; monitor
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; the effect of each and every advertisement and have read all the
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; psychological and sociological studies, papers and surveys, be
wrong
&gt; ?
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Have you seen how dumb the commercials are? I don't care how
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; many billions are spent, dumb is dumb and a waste of money is a
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; waste of money.
&gt; &gt; &gt; So you are claiming you are right and all these billion dollar
&gt; corporation
&gt; &gt; &gt; buying these TV advertisements are wrong: TV advertisements do not
&gt; &gt; &gt; work, according to you ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; Let's see. Coke runs an ad to buy their soda, then Pepsi, then 7 up then
&gt; Dr.
&gt; &gt; Pepper then Sierra Mist, then diet Coke and diet Pepsi etc....
&gt; &gt; So according to you, since these corporations spent billions advertising
&gt; and
&gt; &gt; since they must be right, that I must be gullible enough as a consumer
to
&gt; &gt; buy every single soda product that they advertise?
&gt;
&gt; When one company sees weakness in the market position of a competitor
&gt; or sees a reduction in drinking of hard liquor in studies or some other
&gt; market opportunity, they run advertisements to increase their share
&gt; of the marketplace. At that point, their soft drink competitors realize
&gt; that those advertisements will work, so they competein advertising,
&gt; just to hold onto their portion of the marketplace.
&gt; This proves that these corporations know advertising works.
&gt; There is one problem this points up: when Hollywood Homosexuals
&gt; run their advertisements to boost public intake of Sodomy, we the public
&gt; have no discretionary advertising budgets to run competing advertisements
&gt; to negate the effect of the Hollywood Homosexual advertisements which
&gt; are surreptitiously hidden in the content of their TV series. like BSG.
&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;


Actually, it just proves that they are AFRAID that it will work, for their
competitors anyway. I can not remember one single time I have purchased a
product because of a TV commercial. The only thing that might fall into that
catagory, is the advertising for a TV show or movie.

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#85: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 08:32:59 by Hecubus

&quot;John Shocked&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in news:GKwme.1390$Pp.1067
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&gt; Rubbish. People are not born homosexual. If the affliction was
&gt; genetic, it would have died out long ago, since homosexuals
&gt; under-reproduce, if they reproduce at all.
&gt;

Wrong, wrong, wrong. There are several genetic disorders in humans that
are cause those afflicted to be sterile, in other words, they cannot
reproduce sexually. Two examples are Klinefelter's Syndrome
(<a href="http://www.aaa.dk/TURNER/ENGELSK/KLINEN.HTM" target="_blank">http://www.aaa.dk/TURNER/ENGELSK/KLINEN.HTM</a>) and Turner's Syndrome
(<a href="http://www.turnersyndrome.ca/got_quest.html" target="_blank">http://www.turnersyndrome.ca/got_quest.html</a>). Both of these disorders
result in sterility. Since people afflicted with either of these
disorders cannot reproduce, by your theory, these disorders should not
exist anymore. But Klinefelter's affects 1 in 700 men and Turner's
affects 1 in 2500 women.

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#86: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 09:25:49 by Rex Manteca

John Shocked wrote:
&gt; &quot;Rex Manteca&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:RexManteca&#64;adelphia.net" target="_blank">RexManteca&#64;adelphia.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt;&gt;Jim Phillips wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;On Sun, 29 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Chance Hopkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:chance_hopkins&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">chance_hopkins&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;(not your dog or any other animals please).
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Go get a hobby. Try running. You can run and run and run,
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;til all the anger is gone.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Bye.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Whatever your mother told you, I'm not your father.&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Congratulations--I hope you two will be as happy as your mother &amp; I
&gt;
&gt; are.&quot;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Make sure you hire security for the ceremony--there are a lot of people
&gt;
&gt; who
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;hate homosexuals for some strange reason.&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his homosexual
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;interests began around the time of that series, somehow ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;How did BSG generate homosexual interests in you?&quot;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Found himself sexually attracted to Cmdr Adama.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Let us say he thought Apollo was the hero of the series and
&gt; he thought Apollo was a homosexual.
&gt;
&gt; Politics
So Senator McCarthy, you've got your panties in a wet bunch over fags,
because 'YOU THOUGHT' the hero was homosexual.

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#87: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 09:33:29 by Rex Manteca

John Shocked wrote:
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&gt;
&gt;&gt;On Sun, 29 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Chance Hopkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:chance_hopkins&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">chance_hopkins&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced sexual
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;frustrations out on something else (not your dog or any other
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;animals please). Go get a hobby. Try running. You can run
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;and run and run, til all the anger is gone.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Bye.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt;&gt;&gt;tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married ?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&quot;Whatever your mother told you, I'm not your father.&quot;
&gt;&gt;&quot;Congratulations--I hope you two will be as happy as your mother &amp; I
&gt;
&gt; are.&quot;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&quot;Make sure you hire security for the ceremony--there are a lot of
&gt;&gt;people who hate homosexuals for some strange reason.&quot;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Sure you would say that.
&gt; What is more, I am sure that people are more offended by homosexuals
&gt; defiling the whole idea of marriage, which has
&gt; Child Procreation and Nurturing as its goal, with the smear of a
&gt; homosexual sex act like Sodomy.
&gt;
Now hold on there cowboy. Sodomy includes blowjobs. Let's not go
bashing something until we've had one.

the whole idea of marriage is: property.
Property and keeping others from porking it. It has nothing to do with
procreation or nurturing, that's hogwash trumped up by the church and
other religious zealots. Homosexual acts also occur in nature. What tv
show is responsible for gay animals, Mr. Ed? Oh Willlllber....

&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt;&gt;&gt;homosexual interests began around the time of that series, somehow ?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&quot;How did BSG generate homosexual interests in you?&quot;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Let us say that he thought Apollo was the hero of the show
&gt; and he thought Apollo was a homosexual.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Yes.
&gt;&gt;So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt;

deviant from what?

&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

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#88: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 09:40:46 by Rex Manteca

John Shocked wrote:
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&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Yes.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt;&gt;The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt;&gt;desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt;&gt;priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt;&gt;I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt;&gt;Saying, &quot;God damnit&quot; could be that. Drinking and smoking could be that.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
&gt; against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
&gt; 11 out of 11 US States.
&gt;

I didn't see these standards on the ballot. where did you?

&gt;
&gt;&gt;So where does it end, and who gets to write the rules? You? So, you say
&gt;
&gt; you
&gt;
&gt;&gt;dont' read the bible...you are Moslem. I have never, in all my years, met
&gt;
&gt; a
&gt;
&gt;&gt;person with a sickness such as yours, who wasn't a religious fanatic.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I already stated I have no interest in any religion.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Yeah, some of the things I listed above (f'ing priests) are unacceptable
&gt;
&gt; to
&gt;
&gt;&gt;everyone except the very sick. Others, like using the world hell, are
&gt;
&gt; looked
&gt;
&gt;&gt;down upon by christian fundamentalists.
&gt;&gt;So where is the line drawn?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; These deviant persons can watch these items on tapes in the privacy of
&gt; their own homes,

they can and do.

but people have a right not to have their communities
&gt; defiled by deviant content.

change the channel.

&gt; I doubt the average Republican agrees with this by the way, because
&gt; they receive huge amounts of contributions from Hollywood Homosexual
&gt; Neo-Conservatives.
&gt;
&gt; ===========================================
&gt;
&gt; Wrong. The Right has changed dramatically, to the point that there is a new
&gt; political group or cult called Neo-Conservatives, who love Sodomy, and they
&gt; are in control of our Bush government right now.

Again, there's nothing wrong with getting a knob shine now and then.

&gt; They are essentially similar to regular Conservatives, except they have no
&gt; religious compunctions about Sodomy and they want to murder as many
&gt; Arabs as US tax money can buy.
&gt;
&gt; Hollywood Homosexuals are a very similar group to the group well known
&gt; as Neo-Conservatives or Neo-Cons.
&gt; They generally are Conservatives who believe vehemently in Sodomy,
&gt; Israel and Individual Rights for people to engage in any kind of
&gt; behavior they want, with no moral societal rules.

By definition that makes them liberals. Except for the sodomy, that
makes them democrats, thank you very much Mr. Clinton.


&gt; Since most people do not know what a Neo-Conservative is and there
&gt; still exists some debate about their views, I use &quot;Hollywood Homosexuals&quot;
&gt; instead, because it directly addresses what I am concerned about and
&gt; is easier to understand.
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_%28United_States%29" target="_blank"> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_%28United_State s%29</a>
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.hppub.com/dadtseq/gaycon.htm" target="_blank">http://www.hppub.com/dadtseq/gaycon.htm</a>
&gt;
&gt; Neo-Conservatives are the main propellants in this country of the
&gt; extermination of Arabs in the Middle East.
&gt; They are the ones who contributed huge amounts of money to Bush
&gt; and to the Conservative Think Tanks to develop the anti-Iraq coalition
&gt; and many people believe they have hijacked US Foreign Policy.
&gt; And Neo-Conservatives support Sodomy big time.
&gt;
&gt; Read this:
&gt; <a href="http://www.fpif.org/papers/2004evangelical.html" target="_blank">http://www.fpif.org/papers/2004evangelical.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; ========excerpt==================
&gt; Finally, the Christian right's access to power has been greatly
&gt; aided by the ties it has developed with neoconservatives
&gt; influential within the present administration. Neoconservative
&gt; intellectuals, many of them Jewish, may seem unlikely allies
&gt; for the Christian right, but this partnership has developed
&gt; across several issue areas. The most important basis for
&gt; this partnership is a common support for Israel or, to put
&gt; it more accurately, for the Likud Party's vision of Israel's
&gt; interests. The Christian right's support for Israel harks back
&gt; to the movement's beginnings in the late 1970s, but it has
&gt; risen to a higher level in the last few years. The 2002 annual
&gt; convention of the Christian Coalition culminated in a rally
&gt; for Israel, and Ralph Reed and Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein
&gt; recently founded a new group, Stand for Israel. Meanwhile,
&gt; throughout Christian right media, criticism of the Palestinians
&gt; and support for hard-line Israeli policies has grown more intense.
&gt; ===========end of excerpt==========
&gt;
&gt; Thus, BSG selling Sodomy to your Son has a lot of support within
&gt; Washington, even though the Bush admninistration claims to be
&gt; super religious. Money Talks, and the Neo-Conservatives haves
&gt; tons and tons of money to buy politicians.
&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt;

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#89: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 09:44:58 by Rex Manteca

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&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Yes.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Saying, &quot;God damnit&quot; could be that. Drinking and smoking could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
&gt;&gt;&gt;against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
&gt;&gt;&gt;11 out of 11 US States.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;People do have more than one channel on their tv? Do their tv's also have
&gt;&gt;on/off buttons?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Again, people do not want to have their time wasted looking for these
&gt; hidden advertisements. Hidden advertisements have already been
&gt; investigated by the Congress, representing the public, and have been
&gt; declared to be illegal, for this reason.
&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt;
This makes no sense at all. If people don't want to have their time
wasted looking for hidden advertisements, tell them not to look. Being
gay is genetic (except in women). It can't be transmitted by
advertisements, hidden or otherwise.

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#90: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 09:49:37 by Rex Manteca

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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Yes.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Saying, &quot;God damnit&quot; could be that. Drinking and smoking could be
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;11 out of 11 US States.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;People do have more than one channel on their tv? Do their tv's also
&gt;&gt;&gt;have
&gt;&gt;&gt;on/off buttons?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Again, people do not want to have their time wasted looking for these
&gt;&gt;hidden advertisements. Hidden advertisements have already been
&gt;&gt;investigated by the Congress, representing the public, and have been
&gt;&gt;declared to be illegal, for this reason.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; If it's hidden, then how is it known?
&gt;

The people that play records backwards and step through Disney movies
one frame at a time find them...aided by their aluminum foil lined
consecrated Senator McCarthy commemorative underwear. But, only if the
neighbors dog tells them where to look.

&gt;
&gt;&gt;Politics
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

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#91: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 09:50:58 by Rex Manteca

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&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt;&gt;Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt;&gt;Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt;&gt;created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt;&gt;bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt;&gt;The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt;&gt;themes and issues.
&gt;&gt;The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt;&gt;manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt;&gt;awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt;&gt;categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt;&gt;The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt;&gt;Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
&gt;&gt;follows.
&gt;&gt;Best Novel
&gt;&gt;. The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt;&gt;Best Short Fiction
&gt;&gt;. &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt;&gt;Best Other Work
&gt;&gt;. Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt;&gt;. Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and Michael
&gt;&gt;Lark
&gt;&gt;=====================================
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Politics
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; You're anti-gay postings are affecting my brain. I have now turned into an
&gt; ultra-conservative, gay hating bigot. Your work is done. Your message is
&gt; much more powerful than broadcast tv. I will now hate tv, BSG and gays as
&gt; much as you. Do you have any further commands for me master?
&gt;
&gt;
You forgot the &quot;Love all Arabs&quot; part.

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#92: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 09:53:56 by Rex Manteca

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&gt;&gt;&gt;Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt;&gt;&gt;created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt;&gt;&gt;bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt;&gt;&gt;The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt;&gt;&gt;themes and issues.
&gt;&gt;&gt;The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt;&gt;&gt;manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt;&gt;&gt;awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt;&gt;&gt;categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt;&gt;&gt;The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt;&gt;&gt;Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
&gt;&gt;&gt;follows.
&gt;&gt;&gt;Best Novel
&gt;&gt;&gt;. The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt;&gt;&gt;Best Short Fiction
&gt;&gt;&gt;. &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt;&gt;&gt;Best Other Work
&gt;&gt;&gt;. Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt;&gt;&gt;. Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and Michael
&gt;&gt;&gt;Lark
&gt;&gt;&gt;=====================================
&gt;&gt;&gt;Politics
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;You're anti-gay postings are affecting my brain. I have now turned into
&gt;
&gt; an
&gt;
&gt;&gt;ultra-conservative, gay hating bigot. Your work is done. Your message is
&gt;&gt;much more powerful than broadcast tv. I will now hate tv, BSG and gays as
&gt;&gt;much as you. Do you have any further commands for me master?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; If you hate Homosexuals, you must already have hated them,
&gt; because nothing in what I have stated in any way encourages Hate
&gt; of any kind.
&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt;
It encourages fear and mistrust. Like Nazi Germany did against the jews.

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#93: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 09:58:20 by Rex Manteca

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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;themes and issues.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;follows.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Best Novel
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;. The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Best Short Fiction
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;. &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Best Other Work
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;. Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;. Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and
&gt;
&gt; Michael
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Lark
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=====================================
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Politics
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You're anti-gay postings are affecting my brain. I have now
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;turned into an ultra-conservative, gay hating bigot. Your work
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;is done. Your message is much more powerful than broadcast tv.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I will now hate tv, BSG and gays as much as you.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Do you have any further commands for me master?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;If you hate Homosexuals, you must already have hated them,
&gt;&gt;&gt;because nothing in what I have stated in any way encourages
&gt;&gt;&gt;Hate of any kind.
&gt;&gt;&gt;Politics
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;I thought you described it as deviant? Should we not hate
&gt;&gt;deviant behavior?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I have not encouraged people to Hate anything.
&gt; Just keep deviant behavior off the TV set.
&gt;

Again, deviant in whose eyes? As far as I'm concerned televangelists on
TV are deviant. Can we keep them off TV and what about programs
targeting illegal aliens, can we get them removed as well?


&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt;

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#94: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 10:00:24 by Rex Manteca

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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay,
&gt;
&gt; lesbian,
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;themes and issues.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;A list of winners follows.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Best Novel
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;. The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Best Short Fiction
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;. &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Best Other Work
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;. Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;. Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;and Michael Lark
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=====================================
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Politics
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You're anti-gay postings are affecting my brain. I have now
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;turned into an ultra-conservative, gay hating bigot. Your work
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;is done. Your message is much more powerful than broadcast tv.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I will now hate tv, BSG and gays as much as you.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Do you have any further commands for me master?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;If you hate Homosexuals, you must already have hated them,
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;because nothing in what I have stated in any way encourages
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Hate of any kind.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Politics
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I thought you described it as deviant? Should we not hate
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;deviant behavior?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I have not encouraged people to Hate anything.
&gt;&gt;&gt;Just keep deviant behavior off the TV set.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;It's not going to happen, now what?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Sure it will happen. People just have to recognize how they are being
&gt; exploited and played for chumps, where Sodomy is championed as
&gt; a great example of America's &quot;Freedom&quot;.
&gt; Corrupt Judges is one thing the country needs to deal with in the process
&gt; of addressing this problem.

You've got a better chance of dieing and being resurrected than getting
the American people the recognize how they are being played for chumps.

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Posted on 2005-05-30 12:01:51 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;On Sun, 29 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:
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&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;(not your dog or any other animals please).
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Go get a hobby. Try running. You can run and run and run,
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;til all the anger is gone.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Bye.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married ?
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Whatever your mother told you, I'm not your father.&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Congratulations--I hope you two will be as happy as
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; your mother &amp; I are.&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Make sure you hire security for the ceremony--there are a lot
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; of people who hate homosexuals for some strange reason.&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;homosexual interests began around the time of that series,
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;somehow ?
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;How did BSG generate homosexual interests in you?&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt;Found himself sexually attracted to Cmdr Adama.
&gt; &gt; Let us say he thought Apollo was the hero of the series and
&gt; &gt; he thought Apollo was a homosexual.
&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; So Senator McCarthy, you've got your panties in a wet bunch over
&gt; fags, because 'YOU THOUGHT' the hero was homosexual.

So what wouldbe your reaction to your Son if he told you he turned
to homosexuality because he thought &quot;Apollo the hero in BSG was
a great homosexual&quot; ?

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#96: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 12:03:44 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Yes.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Saying, &quot;God damnit&quot; could be that. Drinking and smoking could be
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; that.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; 11 out of 11 US States.
&gt; &gt;&gt; People do have more than one channel on their tv? Do their tv's also
&gt; &gt;&gt; have
&gt; &gt;&gt; on/off buttons?
&gt; &gt; Again, people do not want to have their time wasted looking for these
&gt; &gt; hidden advertisements. Hidden advertisements have already been
&gt; &gt; investigated by the Congress, representing the public, and have been
&gt; &gt; declared to be illegal, for this reason.
&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; If it's hidden, then how is it known?

==========================================
<a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/subliminal-message" target="_blank">http://www.answers.com/topic/subliminal-message</a>

Subliminal Message

A subliminal message is a signal or message designed to
pass below (sub) the normal limits of perception. For
example it might be inaudible to the conscious mind (but
audible to the unconscious or deeper mind) or might be
an image transmitted briefly and unperceived consciously
and yet perceived unconsciously. This definition assumes
a division between conscious and unconscious which may
be misleading; it may be better to say that the
subliminal message (sound or image) is perceived by
deeper parts of what is a single integrated mind.

In the everyday world, many have claimed that subliminal
techniques are used in advertising and for propaganda
purposes but officially it is denied. In Russia,
however, there have been reports of subliminal messages.
For example, Pravda has had stories about the discovery
of subliminal messages in advertising from the West.

Origin of the Term

The term subliminal message was popularized in a 1957
book entitled The Hidden Persuaders by Vance Packard.
This book detailed a study of movie theaters that
supposedly used subliminal commands to increase the
sales of popcorn and Coca-Cola at their concession
stands. However, James Vicary (the author of the study)
later admitted the study was fabricated.

In 1973 Wilson Bryan Key's book Subliminal Seduction
claimed that subliminal techniques were in wide use in
advertising. The book contributed to a general climate
of fear with regard to Orwellian dangers (of subliminal
messaging). Public concern was enough to lead the
Federal Communications Commission to hold hearings and
to declare subliminal advertising &quot;contrary to the
public interest&quot; because it involved &quot;intentional
deception&quot; of the public.

Validity

In spite of the popular belief that subliminal messages
are widely used to influence audiences, there is little
evidence that the technique has ever been used on a mass
audience (other than its occasional use by artists who
use it to make an artistic statement). There is no
evidence that subliminal messages have any effect at all
on a viewer or listener, and the current consensus among
marketing professionals is that subliminal advertising
is ineffective and can be counter-productive. The theory
underlying subliminal messages is often considered to be
pseudoscience. However, the concept of subliminal
messages is very popular among conspiracy theorists, and
most people in media-saturated areas (such as the United
States) are familiar with the term.

A number of fringe elements in society have made
occasional claims that subliminal messages can be found
in various forms of popular entertainment. Popular
claims of subliminal commands include the supposed use
of &quot;backward messages&quot; in rock and roll songs.
Conservative activist Donald Wildmon has claimed that
The Walt Disney Company inserted the subliminal command
&quot;SEX&quot; into the animated film The Lion King (see that
article for more information on this). Mainstream
authorities have generally ignored these claims due to
the dubious reputations of their authors.

Discussion

Subliminal perception or cognition, if it exists, can be
considered a subset of unconscious cognition where the
forms of unconscious cognition also include attending to
one signal in a noisy environment while unconsciously
keeping track of other signals (e.g. one voice out of
many in a crowded room) and tasks done automatically
(e.g. driving a car).

An important question about subliminal perception is:
How much of the unattended or unconscious signal or
message is perceived? That is, is the whole message
sensed and fully digested or perhaps only its main and
simpler features? There are at least two schools of
thought about this. One of them argues that only the
simpler features of unconscious signals could be
perceived. The second school of thought argues that
unconscious cognition is comprehensive and that much
more is perceived than can be verbalized.

Various types of studies of subliminal perception have
been conducted. A related field is the question of
whether anaesthetized patients are completely unaware
whilst apparently completely asleep/unconscious.

Proponents of the power of subliminal messages claim
they gain influence or power from the fact that they
circumvent the critical functions of the conscious mind,
and therefore subliminal suggestions are potentially
more powerful than ordinary suggestions. This route to
influence or persuasion would be akin to auto-suggestion
or hypnosis wherein the subject is encouraged to be (or
somehow induced to be) relaxed so that suggestions are
directed to deeper (more gullible) parts of the mind;
some observers have argued that the unconscious mind is
incapable of critical refusal of hypnotic or subliminal
suggestions.

However, research findings do not support the conclusion
that subliminal suggestions are peculiarly powerful, or
even have any effect at all.

Subliminal Messages in Advertising

A form of subliminal messaging commonly believed to
exist involves the insertion of &quot;hidden&quot; messages into
movies and TV programs. The concept of &quot;moving pictures&quot;
relies on persistence of vision to create the illusion
of movement in a series of images projected at 23 to 50
frames per second; the popular theory of subliminal
messages usually suggests that subliminal commands can
be inserted into this sequence at the rate of perhaps 1
frame in 25 (or roughly 1 frame per second, with a
duration of about 1/25 of 1 second). The hidden command
in a single frame will flash across the screen so
quickly that it is not consciously perceived, but the
command will supposedly appeal to the subconscious mind
of the viewer, and thus have some measurable effect in
terms of behavior.

Another &quot;subliminal&quot; message technique is supposedly to
embed into a printed advertisement certain messages or
symbols which are subtle and perceived only by the
unconscious mind, either to communicate a message or to
increase the attention paid to the printed ad. This
technique, as with subliminal TV advertising, is not
generally regarded as effective.

As to the question of whether subliminal messages are
widely used to influence groups of people e.g.
audiences, there is no evidence to suggest that any
serious or sustained attempt has been made to use the
technology on a mass audience. The widespread reports
that arose in 1957 to the effect that customers in a
movie theatre in New Jersey had been induced by
subliminal messages to consume more popcorn and more
Coca-Cola were almost certainly false. The current
consensus among marketing professionals is that
subliminal advertising is counter-productive. To some
this is because they believe it to be ineffective, but
to most it is because they realise it would be a public
relations disaster if its use were discovered. Many have
misgivings about using it in marketing campaigns due to
ethical considerations.

During the 2000 U.S. presidential campaign, a television
ad campaigning for Republican candidate George W. Bush
showed words (and parts thereof) scaling from the
foreground to the background on a television screen.
When the word BUREAUCRATS flashed on the screen, one
frame showed only the last part, RATS. Democrats
promptly asked the FCC to look into the matter, but no
penalties were ever assessed in the case. The effect
this had on the overall presidential race was unclear;
the Democrats and Al Gore received ridicule for finding
malicious intent in something that could have been a
simple mistake; the Republicans received ridicule for
the lack of attention to detail and Bush's
mispronunciation of &quot;subliminal&quot; (it came out as
&quot;subliminable&quot;). (It bears mentioning that the
&quot;subliminal message&quot; is easily viewable when the ad is
played at regular speed. If the message were truly
subliminal, that would not be the case.)

The most common ways of making one of these messages are
playing a string of images each lasting 1/3000th of a
second, words scrolling across a screen just fast enough
so the viewer can only pick out one at a time, and using
pictures to provoke the primal instincts in the viewer.
Primal insticts are those instincts that command killing
or sexually reproducing. The 4 most used words to invoke
these insticts are: SEX, F***, KILL, and DIE.

Works cited: www.ebaumsworld.com &quot;urban legends&quot;. found
in the animation section.

See also advertising marketing promotion backmasking

Quotations

&quot;Over the years there have been literally hundreds of
studies&quot;...&quot;these studies show that considerable
information capable of informing decisions and guiding
actions is perceived even when observers do not
experience any awareness of perceiving&quot;. Philip Merikle,
Department of Psychology, University of Waterloo.

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#97: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 12:05:18 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Yes.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Saying, &quot;God damnit&quot; could be that. Drinking and smoking could be
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;that.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;11 out of 11 US States.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;People do have more than one channel on their tv? Do their tv's also
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;have on/off buttons?
&gt; &gt;&gt;Again, people do not want to have their time wasted looking for these
&gt; &gt;&gt;hidden advertisements. Hidden advertisements have already been
&gt; &gt;&gt;investigated by the Congress, representing the public, and have been
&gt; &gt;&gt;declared to be illegal, for this reason.
&gt; &gt;&gt;Politics
&gt; &gt; If it's hidden, then how is it known?
&gt; The people that play records backwards and step through Disney movies
&gt; one frame at a time find them...aided by their aluminum foil lined
&gt; consecrated Senator McCarthy commemorative underwear. But, only if the
&gt; neighbors dog tells them where to look.

==========================================
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Subliminal Message

A subliminal message is a signal or message designed to
pass below (sub) the normal limits of perception. For
example it might be inaudible to the conscious mind (but
audible to the unconscious or deeper mind) or might be
an image transmitted briefly and unperceived consciously
and yet perceived unconsciously. This definition assumes
a division between conscious and unconscious which may
be misleading; it may be better to say that the
subliminal message (sound or image) is perceived by
deeper parts of what is a single integrated mind.

In the everyday world, many have claimed that subliminal
techniques are used in advertising and for propaganda
purposes but officially it is denied. In Russia,
however, there have been reports of subliminal messages.
For example, Pravda has had stories about the discovery
of subliminal messages in advertising from the West.

Origin of the Term

The term subliminal message was popularized in a 1957
book entitled The Hidden Persuaders by Vance Packard.
This book detailed a study of movie theaters that
supposedly used subliminal commands to increase the
sales of popcorn and Coca-Cola at their concession
stands. However, James Vicary (the author of the study)
later admitted the study was fabricated.

In 1973 Wilson Bryan Key's book Subliminal Seduction
claimed that subliminal techniques were in wide use in
advertising. The book contributed to a general climate
of fear with regard to Orwellian dangers (of subliminal
messaging). Public concern was enough to lead the
Federal Communications Commission to hold hearings and
to declare subliminal advertising &quot;contrary to the
public interest&quot; because it involved &quot;intentional
deception&quot; of the public.

Validity

In spite of the popular belief that subliminal messages
are widely used to influence audiences, there is little
evidence that the technique has ever been used on a mass
audience (other than its occasional use by artists who
use it to make an artistic statement). There is no
evidence that subliminal messages have any effect at all
on a viewer or listener, and the current consensus among
marketing professionals is that subliminal advertising
is ineffective and can be counter-productive. The theory
underlying subliminal messages is often considered to be
pseudoscience. However, the concept of subliminal
messages is very popular among conspiracy theorists, and
most people in media-saturated areas (such as the United
States) are familiar with the term.

A number of fringe elements in society have made
occasional claims that subliminal messages can be found
in various forms of popular entertainment. Popular
claims of subliminal commands include the supposed use
of &quot;backward messages&quot; in rock and roll songs.
Conservative activist Donald Wildmon has claimed that
The Walt Disney Company inserted the subliminal command
&quot;SEX&quot; into the animated film The Lion King (see that
article for more information on this). Mainstream
authorities have generally ignored these claims due to
the dubious reputations of their authors.

Discussion

Subliminal perception or cognition, if it exists, can be
considered a subset of unconscious cognition where the
forms of unconscious cognition also include attending to
one signal in a noisy environment while unconsciously
keeping track of other signals (e.g. one voice out of
many in a crowded room) and tasks done automatically
(e.g. driving a car).

An important question about subliminal perception is:
How much of the unattended or unconscious signal or
message is perceived? That is, is the whole message
sensed and fully digested or perhaps only its main and
simpler features? There are at least two schools of
thought about this. One of them argues that only the
simpler features of unconscious signals could be
perceived. The second school of thought argues that
unconscious cognition is comprehensive and that much
more is perceived than can be verbalized.

Various types of studies of subliminal perception have
been conducted. A related field is the question of
whether anaesthetized patients are completely unaware
whilst apparently completely asleep/unconscious.

Proponents of the power of subliminal messages claim
they gain influence or power from the fact that they
circumvent the critical functions of the conscious mind,
and therefore subliminal suggestions are potentially
more powerful than ordinary suggestions. This route to
influence or persuasion would be akin to auto-suggestion
or hypnosis wherein the subject is encouraged to be (or
somehow induced to be) relaxed so that suggestions are
directed to deeper (more gullible) parts of the mind;
some observers have argued that the unconscious mind is
incapable of critical refusal of hypnotic or subliminal
suggestions.

However, research findings do not support the conclusion
that subliminal suggestions are peculiarly powerful, or
even have any effect at all.

Subliminal Messages in Advertising

A form of subliminal messaging commonly believed to
exist involves the insertion of &quot;hidden&quot; messages into
movies and TV programs. The concept of &quot;moving pictures&quot;
relies on persistence of vision to create the illusion
of movement in a series of images projected at 23 to 50
frames per second; the popular theory of subliminal
messages usually suggests that subliminal commands can
be inserted into this sequence at the rate of perhaps 1
frame in 25 (or roughly 1 frame per second, with a
duration of about 1/25 of 1 second). The hidden command
in a single frame will flash across the screen so
quickly that it is not consciously perceived, but the
command will supposedly appeal to the subconscious mind
of the viewer, and thus have some measurable effect in
terms of behavior.

Another &quot;subliminal&quot; message technique is supposedly to
embed into a printed advertisement certain messages or
symbols which are subtle and perceived only by the
unconscious mind, either to communicate a message or to
increase the attention paid to the printed ad. This
technique, as with subliminal TV advertising, is not
generally regarded as effective.

As to the question of whether subliminal messages are
widely used to influence groups of people e.g.
audiences, there is no evidence to suggest that any
serious or sustained attempt has been made to use the
technology on a mass audience. The widespread reports
that arose in 1957 to the effect that customers in a
movie theatre in New Jersey had been induced by
subliminal messages to consume more popcorn and more
Coca-Cola were almost certainly false. The current
consensus among marketing professionals is that
subliminal advertising is counter-productive. To some
this is because they believe it to be ineffective, but
to most it is because they realise it would be a public
relations disaster if its use were discovered. Many have
misgivings about using it in marketing campaigns due to
ethical considerations.

During the 2000 U.S. presidential campaign, a television
ad campaigning for Republican candidate George W. Bush
showed words (and parts thereof) scaling from the
foreground to the background on a television screen.
When the word BUREAUCRATS flashed on the screen, one
frame showed only the last part, RATS. Democrats
promptly asked the FCC to look into the matter, but no
penalties were ever assessed in the case. The effect
this had on the overall presidential race was unclear;
the Democrats and Al Gore received ridicule for finding
malicious intent in something that could have been a
simple mistake; the Republicans received ridicule for
the lack of attention to detail and Bush's
mispronunciation of &quot;subliminal&quot; (it came out as
&quot;subliminable&quot;). (It bears mentioning that the
&quot;subliminal message&quot; is easily viewable when the ad is
played at regular speed. If the message were truly
subliminal, that would not be the case.)

The most common ways of making one of these messages are
playing a string of images each lasting 1/3000th of a
second, words scrolling across a screen just fast enough
so the viewer can only pick out one at a time, and using
pictures to provoke the primal instincts in the viewer.
Primal insticts are those instincts that command killing
or sexually reproducing. The 4 most used words to invoke
these insticts are: SEX, F***, KILL, and DIE.

Works cited: www.ebaumsworld.com &quot;urban legends&quot;. found
in the animation section.

See also advertising marketing promotion backmasking

Quotations

&quot;Over the years there have been literally hundreds of
studies&quot;...&quot;these studies show that considerable
information capable of informing decisions and guiding
actions is perceived even when observers do not
experience any awareness of perceiving&quot;. Philip Merikle,
Department of Psychology, University of Waterloo.

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Posted on 2005-05-30 12:09:14 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Yes.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;11 out of 11 US States.
&gt; &gt;&gt;People do have more than one channel on their tv? Do their tv's also
have
&gt; &gt;&gt;on/off buttons?
&gt; &gt; Again, people do not want to have their time wasted looking for these
&gt; &gt; hidden advertisements. Hidden advertisements have already been
&gt; &gt; investigated by the Congress, representing the public, and have been
&gt; &gt; declared to be illegal, for this reason.
&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; This makes no sense at all. If people don't want to have their time
&gt; wasted looking for hidden advertisements, tell them not to look. Being
&gt; gay is genetic (except in women). It can't be transmitted by
&gt; advertisements, hidden or otherwise.

Rubbish. Homosexuals would have died out by now from the
gene pool if this was passed on genetically, since they homosexuals
for the most part fail to reproduce.

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<a href="http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html" target="_blank">http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html</a>

What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? By
Paul Cameron, Ph. D. Dr. Cameron is Chariman of the
Family Research Institute of

Colorado Springs, Colorado USA. Click here for more
information about this organization. You may contact him
at: Family Research Institute, PO Box 62640, Colorado
Springs, CO 80962 USA. Phone number: (303) 681-3113. (No
e-mail address.)

Most of us fail to understand why anyone would want to
engage in homosexual activity. To the average person, the
very idea is either puzzling or repugnant. Indeed, a
recent survey (1) indicated that only 14% of men and 10%
of women imagined that such behavior could hold any
&quot;possibility of enjoyment.&quot;

The peculiar nature of homosexual desire has led some
people to conclude that this urge must be innate: that a
certain number of people are &quot;born that way,&quot; that sexual
preferences cannot be changed or even ended. What does
the best research really indicate? Are homosexual
proclivities natural or irresistible?

At least three answers seem possible. The first, the
answer of tradition, is as follows: homosexual behavior
is a bad habit that people fall into because they are
sexually permissive and experimental. This view holds rat
homosexuals choose their lifestyle as the result of self-
indulgence and an unwillingness to play by society rules.
The second position is held by a number of psychoanalysts
(e.g., Bieber, Socarides). According to them, homosexual
behavior is a mental illness, symptomatic of arrested
development. They believe that homosexuals have unnatural
or perverse desires as a consequence of poor familial
relations in childhood or some other trauma. The third
view is &quot;biological&quot; and holds that such desires are
genetic or hormonal in origin, and that there is no
choice involved and no &quot;childhood trauma&quot; necessary.

Which of these views is most consistent with the facts?
Which tells us the most about homosexual behavior and its
origins? The answer seems to be that homosexual behavior
is learned. The following seven lines of evidence support
such a conclusion.

1) No researcher has found provable biological or genitic
differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals that
weren't caused by their behavior

Occasionally you may read about a scientific study that
suggests that homosexuality is an inherited tendency, but
such studies have usually been discounted after careful
scrutiny or attempts at replication. No one has found a
single heredible genetic, hormonal or physical difference
between heterosexuals and homosexuals - at least none
that is replicable. (9, 12) While the absence of such a
discovery doesn't prove at inherited sexual tendencies
aren't possible, it suggests that none has been found
because none exists.

2) People tend to believe that their sexual desires and
behaviors are learned

Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain
the origins of their desires and behaviors - how they
&quot;got that way.&quot; The first of these studies was conducted
by Kinsey in the 1940s and involved 1700 homosexuals. The
second, in 1970, (4) involved 979 homosexuals. Both were
conducted prior to the period when the &quot;gay rights&quot;
movement started to politicize the issue of homosexual
origins. Both reported essentially the same findings:
Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and
behavior were the result of social or environmental
influences. In a 1983 study conducted by the Family
Research Institute (5) (FRI) involving a random sample of
147 homosexuals, 35% said their sexual desires were
hereditary. Interestingly, almost 80% of the 3,400
heterosexuals in the same study said that their
preferences and behavior were learned (see Table 1
below). Table 1 Reasons For Preferring: homosexuality
(1940s and 1970) early homosexual experience(s) with
adults and/or peers - 22% homosexual friends/ around
homosexuals a lot - 16% poor relationship with mother -
15% unusual development (was a sissy, artistic, couldn't
get along with own sex, tom-boy, et cetera) - 15% poor
relationship with father - 14% heterosexual partners
unavailable - 12% social ineptitude - 9% born that way -
9% heterosexuality (1983) I was around heterosexuals a
lot - 39% society teaches heterosexuality and I responded
- 34% born that way - 22% my parents, marriage was so
good I wanted to have what they had - 21% I tried it and
liked it - 12% childhood heterosexual experiences with
peers it was the ''in thing&quot; in my crowd - 9% I was
seduced by a heterosexual adult - 5% While these results
aren't conclusive, they tell something about the very
recent tendency to believe that homosexual behavior is
inherited or biologic. From the 1930s (when Kinsey
started collecting data) to the early 1970s, before a
&quot;politically correct&quot; answer emerged, only about 10% of
homosexuals claimed they were &quot;born that way.&quot;
Heterosexuals apparently continue to believe that their
behavior is primarily a result of social conditioning.

3) Older homosexuals often approach the young

There is evidence that homosexuality, like drug use is
&quot;handed down&quot; from older individuals. The first
homosexual encounter is usually initiated by an older
person. In separate studies 60%, (6) 64%, (3) and 61%
(10) of the respondents claimed that their first partner
was someone older who initiated the sexual experience.
How this happens is suggested by a nationwide random
study from Britain: (17) 35% of boys and 9% of girl said
they were approached for sex by adult homosexuals.
Whether for attention, curiosity, or by force, 2% of the
boys and 1% of the girls succumbed. In the US, (1) 37% of
males and 9% of females reported having been approached
for homosexual sex (65% of those doing the inviting were
older). Likewise, a study of over 400 London teenagers
reported that &quot;for the boys, their first homosexual
experience was very likely with someone older: half the
boys' first partner were 20 or older; for girls it was 43
percent.&quot; (13) A quarter of homosexuals have admitted to
sex with children and underaged teens, (6,5,8) suggesting
the homosexuality is introduced to youngsters the same
way other behaviors are learned - by experience.

4) Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns
of behavior

In the 1980s, scholars (12) examined the early Kinsey
data to determine whether or not childhood sexual
experiences predicted adult behavior. The results were
significant: Homosexual experience in the early year,
particularly if it was one's first sexual experience -
was a strong predictor of adult homosexual behavior, both
for males and females. A similar pattern appeared in the
1970 Kinsey Institute (4) study: there was a strong
relationship between those whose first experience was
homosexual and those who practiced homosexuality in later
life. In the FRI study (5) two-thirds of the boys whose
first experience was homosexual engaged in homosexual
behavior as adults; 95% of those whose first experience
was heterosexual were likewise heterosexual in their
adult behavior. A similarly progressive pattern of sexual
behavior was reported for females. It is remarkable that
the three largest empirical studies of the question
showed essentially the same pattern. A child's first
sexual experiences were strongly associated with his or
her adult behavior.

5) Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors -
especially religious convictions

Kinsey reported &quot;less homosexual activity among devout
groups whether they be Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish,
and more homosexual activity among religiously less
active groups.&quot; (2) The 1983 FRI study found those raised
in irreligious homes to be over 4 times more likely to
become homosexual than those from devout homes . These
studies suggest that when people believe strongly that
homosexual behavior is immoral, they are significantly
less apt to be involved in such activity. Recently,
because of the AIDS epidemic, it has been discovered
that, relative to white males, twice as many black males
are homosexual (14) and 4 times as many are bisexual.
Perhaps it is related to the fact that 62% of black
versus 17% of white children are being raised in
fatherless homes. But even the worst racist wouldn't
suggest that it is due to genetic predisposition. Were
homosexual impulses truly inherited, we should be unable
to find differences in homosexual practice due to
religious upbringing or racial sub-culture.

6) Many change their sexual preferences

In a large random sample (5) 88% of women currently
claiming lesbian attraction and 73% of men claiming to
currently enjoy homosexual sex, said that they had been
sexually aroused by the opposite sex, 85% of these
&quot;lesbians&quot; and 54% of these &quot;homosexuals&quot; reported sexual
relations with someone of the opposite sex in adulthood,
67% of lesbians and 54% of homosexuals reported current
sexual attraction to the opposite sex, and 82% of
lesbians and 66% of homosexuals reported having been in
love with a member of the opposite sex. Homosexuals
experiment. They feel some normal impulses. Most have
been sexually aroused by, had sexual relations with, and
even fallen in love with someone of the opposite sex.
Nationwide random samples (11) of 904 men were asked
about their sex lives since age 21, and more
specifically, in the last year. As the figure reveals,
1.3% reported sex with men in the past year and 5.2% at
some time in adulthood. Less than 1% of men had only had
sex with men during their lives. And 6 of every 7 who had
had sex with men, also reported sex with women. It's a
much different story with inherited characteristics. Race
and gender are not optional lifestyles. They remain
immutable. The switching and experimentation demonstrated
in these two studies identifies homosexuality as a
preference, not an inevitability.

7) There are many ex-homosexuals

Many engage in one or two homosexual experiences and
never do it again- a pattern reported for a third of the
males with homosexual experience in one study. (1) And
then there are ex- homosexuals - those who have continued
in homosexual liaisons for a number of years and then
chose to change not only their habits, but also the
object of their desire. Sometimes this alteration occurs
as the result of psychotherapy; (10) in others it is
prompted by a religious or spiritual conversion. (18)
Similar to the kinds of &quot;cures&quot; achieved by drug addicts
and alcoholics, these treatments do not always remove
homosexual desire or temptation. Whatever the mechanism,
in a 1984 study (5) almost 2% of heterosexuals reported
that at one time they considered themselves to be
homosexual. It is clear that a substantial number of
people are reconsidering their sexual preferences at any
given time.

What causes homosexual desire?

If homosexual impulses are not inherited, what kinds of
influences do cause strong homosexual desires? No one
answer is acceptable to all researchers in the field.
Important factors, however, seem to fall into four
categories. As with so many other odd sexual
proclivities, males appear especially susceptible: 1.
Homosexual experience:

any homosexual experience in childhood, especially if it
is a first sexual experience or with an adult any
homosexual contact with an adult, particularly with a
relative or authority figure (in a random survey, 5% of
adult homosexuals vs 0.8% of heterosexuals reported
childhood sexual involvements with elementary or
secondary school teachers (5). 2. Family abnormality,
including the following:

a dominant, possessive, or rejecting mother an absent,
distant, or rejecting father a parent with homosexual
proclivities, particularly one who molests a child of the
same sex a sibling with homosexual tendencies,
particularly one who molests a brother or sister the lack
of a religious home environment divorce, which often
leads to sexual problems for both the children and the
adults parents who model unconventional sex roles
condoning homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle-
welcoming homosexuals (e.g., co-workers, friends) into
the family circle 3. Unusual sexual experience,
particularly in early childhood:

precocious or excessive masturbation exposure to
pornography in childhood depersonalized sex (e.g., group
sex, sex with animals) or girls, sexual interaction with
adult males 4. Cultural influences: a visible and
socially approved homosexual sub-culture that invites
curiosity and encourages exploration pro-homosexual sex
education openly homosexual authority figures, such as
teachers (4% of Kinsey's and 4% of FRI's gays reported
that their first homosexual experience was with a
teacher) societal and legal toleration of homosexual acts
depictions of homosexuality as normal and/or desirable
behavior

Can homosexuality be changed?

Certainly. As noted above, many people have turned away
from homosexuality - almost as many people call
themselves &quot;gay.&quot; Clearly the easier problem to eliminate
is homosexual behavior. Just as many heterosexuals
control their desires to engage in premarital or
extramarital sex, so some with homosexual desires
discipline themselves to abstain from homosexual contact.
One thing seems to stand out: Associations are all-
important. Anyone who wants to abstain from homosexual
behavior should avoid the company of practicing
homosexuals. There are organizations including &quot;ex-gay
ministries, &quot; (18) designed to help those who wish to
reform their conduct. Psychotherapy claims about a 30%
cure rate, and religious commitment seems to be the most
helpful factor in avoiding homosexual habits.
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Posted on 2005-05-30 12:17:41 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Yes.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt; &gt;&gt;Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt; &gt;&gt;The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt; &gt;&gt;desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt; &gt;&gt;priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt; &gt;&gt;I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt; &gt;&gt;Saying, &quot;God damnit&quot; could be that. Drinking and smoking could be that.
&gt; &gt; Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
&gt; &gt; against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
&gt; &gt; 11 out of 11 US States.
&gt; I didn't see these standards on the ballot. where did you?

All homosexuals were asking for was to marry each other.
Not commit Sodomy or date the Son of the voters.
And even that marriage was voted down. In some cases
both marriage and Civil Unions was banned.
Pretty strong statement by US voters in 11/2004.

&gt; &gt;&gt;So where does it end, and who gets to write the rules? You?
&gt; &gt;&gt; So, you say you dont' read the bible...you are Moslem.
&gt; &gt;&gt; I have never, in all my years, met a person with a sickness such
&gt; &gt;&gt; as yours, who wasn't a religious fanatic.
&gt; &gt; I already stated I have no interest in any religion.
&gt; &gt;&gt;Yeah, some of the things I listed above (f'ing priests) are
&gt; &gt;&gt; unacceptable to everyone except the very sick.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Others, like using the world hell, are looked
&gt; &gt;&gt;down upon by christian fundamentalists.
&gt; &gt;&gt;So where is the line drawn?
&gt; &gt; These deviant persons can watch these items on tapes in the privacy of
&gt; &gt; their own homes,
&gt; they can and do.
&gt; but people have a right not to have their communities
&gt; &gt; defiled by deviant content.
&gt; change the channel.

I see no reason why I should have to go to that trouble.
Sodomy does not belong on TV.

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&gt; &gt; I doubt the average Republican agrees with this by the way, because
&gt; &gt; they receive huge amounts of contributions from Hollywood Homosexual
&gt; &gt; Neo-Conservatives.
&gt; &gt; ===========================================
&gt; &gt; Wrong. The Right has changed dramatically, to the point that there is a
new
&gt; &gt; political group or cult called Neo-Conservatives, who love Sodomy, and
they
&gt; &gt; are in control of our Bush government right now.
&gt; Again, there's nothing wrong with getting a knob shine now and then.
&gt; &gt; They are essentially similar to regular Conservatives, except they have
no
&gt; &gt; religious compunctions about Sodomy and they want to murder as many
&gt; &gt; Arabs as US tax money can buy.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Hollywood Homosexuals are a very similar group to the group well known
&gt; &gt; as Neo-Conservatives or Neo-Cons.
&gt; &gt; They generally are Conservatives who believe vehemently in Sodomy,
&gt; &gt; Israel and Individual Rights for people to engage in any kind of
&gt; &gt; behavior they want, with no moral societal rules.
&gt; By definition that makes them liberals. Except for the sodomy, that
&gt; makes them democrats, thank you very much Mr. Clinton.

&gt; &gt; Since most people do not know what a Neo-Conservative is and there
&gt; &gt; still exists some debate about their views, I use &quot;Hollywood
Homosexuals&quot;
&gt; &gt; instead, because it directly addresses what I am concerned about and
&gt; &gt; is easier to understand.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_%28United_States%29" target="_blank"> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_%28United_State s%29</a>
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.hppub.com/dadtseq/gaycon.htm" target="_blank">http://www.hppub.com/dadtseq/gaycon.htm</a>
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Neo-Conservatives are the main propellants in this country of the
&gt; &gt; extermination of Arabs in the Middle East.
&gt; &gt; They are the ones who contributed huge amounts of money to Bush
&gt; &gt; and to the Conservative Think Tanks to develop the anti-Iraq coalition
&gt; &gt; and many people believe they have hijacked US Foreign Policy.
&gt; &gt; And Neo-Conservatives support Sodomy big time.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Read this:
&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.fpif.org/papers/2004evangelical.html" target="_blank">http://www.fpif.org/papers/2004evangelical.html</a>
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; ========excerpt==================
&gt; &gt; Finally, the Christian right's access to power has been greatly
&gt; &gt; aided by the ties it has developed with neoconservatives
&gt; &gt; influential within the present administration. Neoconservative
&gt; &gt; intellectuals, many of them Jewish, may seem unlikely allies
&gt; &gt; for the Christian right, but this partnership has developed
&gt; &gt; across several issue areas. The most important basis for
&gt; &gt; this partnership is a common support for Israel or, to put
&gt; &gt; it more accurately, for the Likud Party's vision of Israel's
&gt; &gt; interests. The Christian right's support for Israel harks back
&gt; &gt; to the movement's beginnings in the late 1970s, but it has
&gt; &gt; risen to a higher level in the last few years. The 2002 annual
&gt; &gt; convention of the Christian Coalition culminated in a rally
&gt; &gt; for Israel, and Ralph Reed and Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein
&gt; &gt; recently founded a new group, Stand for Israel. Meanwhile,
&gt; &gt; throughout Christian right media, criticism of the Palestinians
&gt; &gt; and support for hard-line Israeli policies has grown more intense.
&gt; &gt; ===========end of excerpt==========
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Thus, BSG selling Sodomy to your Son has a lot of support within
&gt; &gt; Washington, even though the Bush admninistration claims to be
&gt; &gt; super religious. Money Talks, and the Neo-Conservatives haves
&gt; &gt; tons and tons of money to buy politicians.
&gt; &gt;
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Posted on 2005-05-30 12:27:13 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced sexual
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;frustrations out on something else (not your dog or any other
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;animals please). Go get a hobby. Try running. You can run
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;and run and run, til all the anger is gone.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Bye.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married ?
&gt; &gt;&gt;&quot;Whatever your mother told you, I'm not your father.&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&quot;Congratulations--I hope you two will be as happy as
&gt; &gt;&gt; your mother &amp; I are.&quot;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&quot;Make sure you hire security for the ceremony--there are a lot of
&gt; &gt;&gt;people who hate homosexuals for some strange reason.&quot;
&gt; &gt; Sure you would say that.
&gt; &gt; What is more, I am sure that people are more offended by homosexuals
&gt; &gt; defiling the whole idea of marriage, which has
&gt; &gt; Child Procreation and Nurturing as its goal, with the smear of a
&gt; &gt; homosexual sex act like Sodomy.
&gt; Now hold on there cowboy. Sodomy includes blowjobs. Let's not go
&gt; bashing something until we've had one.
&gt; the whole idea of marriage is: property.
&gt; Property and keeping others from porking it. It has nothing to do with
&gt; procreation or nurturing, that's hogwash trumped up by the church and
&gt; other religious zealots. Homosexual acts also occur in nature. What tv
&gt; show is responsible for gay animals, Mr. Ed? Oh Willlllber....

You mean animals at the San Francisco Zoo, where chemical pheromones
are used by the homosexual staff to induce artificially deviant sexual
animal behavior ?
I call it animal abuse. I have never seen this happen in the wild.

&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;homosexual interests began around the time of that series, somehow ?
&gt; &gt;&gt;&quot;How did BSG generate homosexual interests in you?&quot;
&gt; &gt; Let us say that he thought Apollo was the hero of the show
&gt; &gt; and he thought Apollo was a homosexual.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt;&gt;Yes.
&gt; &gt;&gt;So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt; &gt; It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; deviant from what?

Deviant from normal and natural human behavior which parents are
seeking to nurture in their kids. At least, not disrupt the innate
behavior.
If everyone was a homosexual, mankind would have died out centuries ago.
How can you call this deviant and desctructive behavior acceptable for TV ?

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#101: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 12:28:34 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; I have not encouraged people to Hate anything.
&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Just keep deviant behavior off the TV set.
&gt; &gt;&gt; It's not going to happen, now what?
&gt; &gt; Sure it will happen.
&gt; When it does, let us know. In the meantime don't remove that tinfoil hat.
&gt; LOL!

How are you so certain homosexuals will retain their unbridled
control over the media ?

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#102: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 12:33:08 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;===================================
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;News Bulletin from www.scifi.com :
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html" target="_blank">http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html</a>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay,
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; lesbian, bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;themes and issues.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;three categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;World Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;A list of winners follows.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Best Novel
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;. The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Best Short Fiction
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;. &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Best Other Work
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;. Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;. Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;and Michael Lark
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=====================================
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You're anti-gay postings are affecting my brain. I have now
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;turned into an ultra-conservative, gay hating bigot. Your work
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;is done. Your message is much more powerful than broadcast tv.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I will now hate tv, BSG and gays as much as you.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Do you have any further commands for me master?
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;If you hate Homosexuals, you must already have hated them,
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;because nothing in what I have stated in any way encourages
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Hate of any kind.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Politics
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I thought you described it as deviant? Should we not hate
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;deviant behavior?
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;I have not encouraged people to Hate anything.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;Just keep deviant behavior off the TV set.
&gt; &gt;&gt;It's not going to happen, now what?
&gt; &gt; Sure it will happen. People just have to recognize how they are being
&gt; &gt; exploited and played for chumps, where Sodomy is championed as
&gt; &gt; a great example of America's &quot;Freedom&quot;.
&gt; &gt; Corrupt Judges is one thing the country needs to deal with in the
process
&gt; &gt; of addressing this problem.
&gt; You've got a better chance of dying and being resurrected than getting
&gt; the American people the recognize how they are being played for chumps.

Sometimes it just takes a spark. The overwhelming vote in 11/2004
in 11 States indicates the US public is ready for change in this area.
There simply needs tobe the right focal point, which most likely
will appear out of the blue.

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#103: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 13:16:37 by Rex Manteca

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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Jim Phillips wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;On Sun, 29 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Chance Hopkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:chance_hopkins&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">chance_hopkins&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;(not your dog or any other animals please).
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Go get a hobby. Try running. You can run and run and run,
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;til all the anger is gone.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Bye.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Whatever your mother told you, I'm not your father.&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Congratulations--I hope you two will be as happy as
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;your mother &amp; I are.&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Make sure you hire security for the ceremony--there are a lot
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;of people who hate homosexuals for some strange reason.&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;homosexual interests began around the time of that series,
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;somehow ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;How did BSG generate homosexual interests in you?&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Found himself sexually attracted to Cmdr Adama.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Let us say he thought Apollo was the hero of the series and
&gt;&gt;&gt;he thought Apollo was a homosexual.
&gt;&gt;&gt;Politics
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;So Senator McCarthy, you've got your panties in a wet bunch over
&gt;&gt; fags, because 'YOU THOUGHT' the hero was homosexual.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; So what wouldbe your reaction to your Son if he told you he turned
&gt; to homosexuality because he thought &quot;Apollo the hero in BSG was
&gt; a great homosexual&quot; ?
&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt;
That's patently ridiculous. The homosexuality trait is carried on the x
chromosome, not the television screen. If my son &quot;turned to
homosexuality&quot;, it would be because he inherited the trait from his
mother and my Y chromosome lacked a gene to suppress the trait or
contained a gene to activate the trait. It would have nothing to do
with what he thought of a television character. Didn't you have biology
in middle school? Unlike lesbianism/bi-sexuality in women, that can
manifest itself at anytime, especially after a few drinks, homosexuality
in males begins at birth and I'd have to be a complete idiot to not see
the signs as s/he displayed them. So to answer your question, I
supposed I'd ask my self-outed gay son to help his mother with her
makeup and wardrobe. Then perhaps he could teach her how to give a blowjob.

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#104: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 13:19:12 by Rex Manteca

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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Yes.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Saying, &quot;God damnit&quot; could be that. Drinking and smoking could be
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;11 out of 11 US States.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;People do have more than one channel on their tv? Do their tv's also
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;have on/off buttons?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Again, people do not want to have their time wasted looking for these
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;hidden advertisements. Hidden advertisements have already been
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;investigated by the Congress, representing the public, and have been
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;declared to be illegal, for this reason.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Politics
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;If it's hidden, then how is it known?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;The people that play records backwards and step through Disney movies
&gt;&gt;one frame at a time find them...aided by their aluminum foil lined
&gt;&gt;consecrated Senator McCarthy commemorative underwear. But, only if the
&gt;&gt;neighbors dog tells them where to look.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; ==========================================
&gt; <a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/subliminal-message" target="_blank">http://www.answers.com/topic/subliminal-message</a>
You've said all this a thousand times before, it's still without meaning
and merit.

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#105: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 13:27:23 by Rex Manteca

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&gt;&gt;John Shocked wrote:
&gt;&gt;
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&gt;&gt;&gt;
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Yes.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;11 out of 11 US States.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;People do have more than one channel on their tv? Do their tv's also
&gt;
&gt; have
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;on/off buttons?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Again, people do not want to have their time wasted looking for these
&gt;&gt;&gt;hidden advertisements. Hidden advertisements have already been
&gt;&gt;&gt;investigated by the Congress, representing the public, and have been
&gt;&gt;&gt;declared to be illegal, for this reason.
&gt;&gt;&gt;Politics
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;This makes no sense at all. If people don't want to have their time
&gt;&gt;wasted looking for hidden advertisements, tell them not to look. Being
&gt;&gt;gay is genetic (except in women). It can't be transmitted by
&gt;&gt;advertisements, hidden or otherwise.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Rubbish. Homosexuals would have died out by now from the
&gt; gene pool if this was passed on genetically, since they homosexuals
&gt; for the most part fail to reproduce.
&gt;
It's carried on the x chromosome. As long as there are women on the
planet, there'll be homosexuals.

Second. The source in your link is a Ph.D., which automatically make
them an idiot.

Next. The information is over thirty year old and incorrect, clearly.

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#106: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 13:37:24 by Rex Manteca

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&gt;&gt;
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&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Yes.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Saying, &quot;God damnit&quot; could be that. Drinking and smoking could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
&gt;&gt;&gt;against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
&gt;&gt;&gt;11 out of 11 US States.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;I didn't see these standards on the ballot. where did you?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; All homosexuals were asking for was to marry each other.
&gt; Not commit Sodomy or date the Son of the voters.
&gt; And even that marriage was voted down. In some cases
&gt; both marriage and Civil Unions was banned.
&gt; Pretty strong statement by US voters in 11/2004.
&gt;
&gt;

Your assumption is incorrect. Insurance companies are behind the anti
gay-marriage campaign. They aren't interested in paying on the claims
by survivors whose life-parter has died, and if you've checked the body
count lately, they're dropping like flies. Then you've got to throw in
the homophobic cristi-an zealots. Jesus tells them to vote against
anything gays want, while completely ignoring the homosexual
relationship Jesus had with Lazarus and James.






&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So where does it end, and who gets to write the rules? You?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So, you say you dont' read the bible...you are Moslem.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I have never, in all my years, met a person with a sickness such
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;as yours, who wasn't a religious fanatic.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I already stated I have no interest in any religion.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Yeah, some of the things I listed above (f'ing priests) are
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;unacceptable to everyone except the very sick.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Others, like using the world hell, are looked
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;down upon by christian fundamentalists.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So where is the line drawn?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;These deviant persons can watch these items on tapes in the privacy of
&gt;&gt;&gt;their own homes,
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;they can and do.
&gt;&gt; but people have a right not to have their communities
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;defiled by deviant content.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;change the channel.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I see no reason why I should have to go to that trouble.
&gt; Sodomy does not belong on TV.
&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt; ==========================================
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I doubt the average Republican agrees with this by the way, because
&gt;&gt;&gt;they receive huge amounts of contributions from Hollywood Homosexual
&gt;&gt;&gt;Neo-Conservatives.
&gt;&gt;&gt;===========================================
&gt;&gt;&gt;Wrong. The Right has changed dramatically, to the point that there is a
&gt;
&gt; new
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;political group or cult called Neo-Conservatives, who love Sodomy, and
&gt;
&gt; they
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;are in control of our Bush government right now.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Again, there's nothing wrong with getting a knob shine now and then.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;They are essentially similar to regular Conservatives, except they have
&gt;
&gt; no
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;religious compunctions about Sodomy and they want to murder as many
&gt;&gt;&gt;Arabs as US tax money can buy.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Hollywood Homosexuals are a very similar group to the group well known
&gt;&gt;&gt;as Neo-Conservatives or Neo-Cons.
&gt;&gt;&gt;They generally are Conservatives who believe vehemently in Sodomy,
&gt;&gt;&gt;Israel and Individual Rights for people to engage in any kind of
&gt;&gt;&gt;behavior they want, with no moral societal rules.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;By definition that makes them liberals. Except for the sodomy, that
&gt;&gt;makes them democrats, thank you very much Mr. Clinton.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Since most people do not know what a Neo-Conservative is and there
&gt;&gt;&gt;still exists some debate about their views, I use &quot;Hollywood
&gt;
&gt; Homosexuals&quot;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;instead, because it directly addresses what I am concerned about and
&gt;&gt;&gt;is easier to understand.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_%28United_States%29" target="_blank"> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_%28United_State s%29</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.hppub.com/dadtseq/gaycon.htm" target="_blank">http://www.hppub.com/dadtseq/gaycon.htm</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Neo-Conservatives are the main propellants in this country of the
&gt;&gt;&gt;extermination of Arabs in the Middle East.
&gt;&gt;&gt;They are the ones who contributed huge amounts of money to Bush
&gt;&gt;&gt; and to the Conservative Think Tanks to develop the anti-Iraq coalition
&gt;&gt;&gt;and many people believe they have hijacked US Foreign Policy.
&gt;&gt;&gt;And Neo-Conservatives support Sodomy big time.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Read this:
&gt;&gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.fpif.org/papers/2004evangelical.html" target="_blank">http://www.fpif.org/papers/2004evangelical.html</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;========excerpt==================
&gt;&gt;&gt;Finally, the Christian right's access to power has been greatly
&gt;&gt;&gt; aided by the ties it has developed with neoconservatives
&gt;&gt;&gt; influential within the present administration. Neoconservative
&gt;&gt;&gt; intellectuals, many of them Jewish, may seem unlikely allies
&gt;&gt;&gt; for the Christian right, but this partnership has developed
&gt;&gt;&gt; across several issue areas. The most important basis for
&gt;&gt;&gt;this partnership is a common support for Israel or, to put
&gt;&gt;&gt; it more accurately, for the Likud Party's vision of Israel's
&gt;&gt;&gt;interests. The Christian right's support for Israel harks back
&gt;&gt;&gt;to the movement's beginnings in the late 1970s, but it has
&gt;&gt;&gt;risen to a higher level in the last few years. The 2002 annual
&gt;&gt;&gt; convention of the Christian Coalition culminated in a rally
&gt;&gt;&gt; for Israel, and Ralph Reed and Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein
&gt;&gt;&gt;recently founded a new group, Stand for Israel. Meanwhile,
&gt;&gt;&gt; throughout Christian right media, criticism of the Palestinians
&gt;&gt;&gt; and support for hard-line Israeli policies has grown more intense.
&gt;&gt;&gt;===========end of excerpt==========
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Thus, BSG selling Sodomy to your Son has a lot of support within
&gt;&gt;&gt;Washington, even though the Bush admninistration claims to be
&gt;&gt;&gt;super religious. Money Talks, and the Neo-Conservatives haves
&gt;&gt;&gt;tons and tons of money to buy politicians.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Politics
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

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#107: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 13:50:47 by Rex Manteca

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&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Yes.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Saying, &quot;God damnit&quot; could be that. Drinking and smoking could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
&gt;&gt;&gt;against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
&gt;&gt;&gt;11 out of 11 US States.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;I didn't see these standards on the ballot. where did you?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; All homosexuals were asking for was to marry each other.
&gt; Not commit Sodomy or date the Son of the voters.
&gt; And even that marriage was voted down. In some cases
&gt; both marriage and Civil Unions was banned.
&gt; Pretty strong statement by US voters in 11/2004.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So where does it end, and who gets to write the rules? You?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So, you say you dont' read the bible...you are Moslem.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I have never, in all my years, met a person with a sickness such
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;as yours, who wasn't a religious fanatic.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;I already stated I have no interest in any religion.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Yeah, some of the things I listed above (f'ing priests) are
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;unacceptable to everyone except the very sick.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Others, like using the world hell, are looked
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;down upon by christian fundamentalists.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So where is the line drawn?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;These deviant persons can watch these items on tapes in the privacy of
&gt;&gt;&gt;their own homes,
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;they can and do.
&gt;&gt; but people have a right not to have their communities
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;defiled by deviant content.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;change the channel.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I see no reason why I should have to go to that trouble.
&gt; Sodomy does not belong on TV.
&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;
You can't be bothered to change channels? Now, you're just being
stupid. What do you do when something comes on that offends your
delicate sensibilities, you sit there and watch, beseeching god to smite
the philistines that have foisted the injustice on you? You spend more
time and energy complaining about fags here, than it would take you to
press the channel selector button. I see no reason why I should have to
go to the trouble of wiping my ass, but I still do.

Sodomy = blowjob.
Sodomy does belong on TV, and on the couch, kitchen table, car,
elevator, and shower. If Jesus were alive today, you can bet he'd be
getting some.

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#108: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 14:07:46 by Andrealphus

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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a
&gt;&gt; &gt; hobby.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; anger is gone.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; years and tells you he is a homosexual and is about to
&gt; be
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexually married ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; how
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; his homosexual interests began around the time of that
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; series,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somehow ? Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;How did it happen?&quot;
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; I just told you. BSG and other science fiction series turned
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; your
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Son
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; to Sodomy and homosexual marriage. What would be your
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; reaction
&gt; ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;Freedom is so great !&quot; ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Well, first of all, I would realize that my son's homosexuality
&gt; was
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; more
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; likely something he was born with and not something he &quot;learned&quot;
&gt;&gt; &gt; from
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; a TV series. In that case, I would realize that it is his life
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; to
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; lead,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; and if he is gay, he's gay. I can't live my life for my child.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; He
&gt;&gt; &gt; has
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; his own choices to make. If I did have a gay son, It would not
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; make me love him any less.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; But, I'm sure someone as closed minded and predjudiced as
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; you can't understand something like that anyway.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Rick
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Rubbish. People are not born homosexual. If the affliction was
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; genetic, it would have died out long ago,
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Nonsense. Your understanding of genetics is obviously limited.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; since homosexuals
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; under-reproduce, if they reproduce at all.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; A homosexual gene, if one exists, can be passed as a recessive gene
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; through the brothers and sisters of the gay person for generations
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; before it may show up again. It need not be passed by the
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; gay individual alone.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; But a recessive gene is a recessive gene. Whenever it effects
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; itself
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; in
&gt;&gt; &gt; a
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; genetic combat environment where it wins, it dies out. Eventually
&gt; such
&gt;&gt; &gt; a
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; gene, over the generations, will die out.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; No, that is absolutely not true. The recessive can be passed whether
&gt; it
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; wins one battle or not.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Here is the truth about homosexuality origins:
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; =======================================
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html" target="_blank">http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html</a>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? By
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Paul Cameron, Ph.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Paul Cameron is a quack. Pure and simple.
&gt;&gt; &gt; Explain why, if you want to be taken seriously.
&gt;&gt; Let's see, he's been called a liar by three federal judges. His research
&gt;&gt; methodology is highly flawed, he's been booted out of every mainstream
&gt;&gt; professional organization he was ever a member off for his flawed
&gt; research.
&gt;&gt; Is that enough?
&gt;&gt; He's a quack, it's not even debatable.
&gt;
&gt; Again, these are worthless statements without proof.

It's been proven, time and time again. Cameron is a quack.

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#109: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 14:10:38 by Andrealphus

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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; I have not encouraged people to Hate anything.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Just keep deviant behavior off the TV set.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; It's not going to happen, now what?
&gt;&gt; &gt; Sure it will happen.
&gt;&gt; When it does, let us know. In the meantime don't remove that tinfoil
&gt;&gt; hat.
&gt;&gt; LOL!
&gt;
&gt; How are you so certain homosexuals will retain their unbridled
&gt; control over the media ?
&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt;

LOL! I never said that homosexuals HAVE unbridled control over the media.
That's is your conspiricy theory.

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#110: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 14:12:14 by Rex Manteca

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&gt;
&gt;&gt;John Shocked wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Jim Phillips&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jphillip&#64;bcpl.net" target="_blank">jphillip&#64;bcpl.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;On Sun, 29 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Chance Hopkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:chance_hopkins&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">chance_hopkins&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced sexual
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;frustrations out on something else (not your dog or any other
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;animals please). Go get a hobby. Try running. You can run
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;and run and run, til all the anger is gone.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Bye.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Whatever your mother told you, I'm not your father.&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Congratulations--I hope you two will be as happy as
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; your mother &amp; I are.&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Make sure you hire security for the ceremony--there are a lot of
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;people who hate homosexuals for some strange reason.&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Sure you would say that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;What is more, I am sure that people are more offended by homosexuals
&gt;&gt;&gt;defiling the whole idea of marriage, which has
&gt;&gt;&gt;Child Procreation and Nurturing as its goal, with the smear of a
&gt;&gt;&gt;homosexual sex act like Sodomy.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Now hold on there cowboy. Sodomy includes blowjobs. Let's not go
&gt;&gt;bashing something until we've had one.
&gt;&gt;the whole idea of marriage is: property.
&gt;&gt;Property and keeping others from porking it. It has nothing to do with
&gt;&gt;procreation or nurturing, that's hogwash trumped up by the church and
&gt;&gt;other religious zealots. Homosexual acts also occur in nature. What tv
&gt;&gt;show is responsible for gay animals, Mr. Ed? Oh Willlllber....
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; You mean animals at the San Francisco Zoo, where chemical pheromones
&gt; are used by the homosexual staff to induce artificially deviant sexual
&gt; animal behavior ?

You absolutely CANNOT be serious. I've almost p'd myself laughing.

&gt; I call it animal abuse. I have never seen this happen in the wild.
&gt;

I'm not surprised, your facts date back to the renascence.
Biological Exuberance : Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity ISBN:
031225377X

&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;homosexual interests began around the time of that series, somehow ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;How did BSG generate homosexual interests in you?&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Let us say that he thought Apollo was the hero of the show
&gt;&gt;&gt;and he thought Apollo was a homosexual.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Yes.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt;&gt;&gt;Politics
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;deviant from what?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Deviant from normal and natural human behavior

ok. what the heck is normal and natural human behavior? Anything that
conforms to what you say it is? In India, it's normal and natural to
douse your wife with kerosene and set her a blaze, it's also normal and
natural to have a child bride. A hundred years ago it was normal an
natural to have child brides in this country. Hell, in parts of Utah,
it still is. Slavery was also normal and natural, believing that the
earth was flat, in Nazi Germany, putting people in ovens was normal and
natural. So, normal and natural, highly depend upon who and where you
are. Normal and natural for you isn't normal and natural for everyone,
ever.

&gt; which parents are seeking to nurture in their kids.
Fags don't or can't do this?

&gt; At least, not disrupt the innate behavior.
Meaningless.

&gt; If everyone was a homosexual, mankind would have died out centuries ago.
Illogical argument. You're grasping at straws old boy.

&gt; How can you call this deviant and desctructive behavior acceptable for TV ?

Deviant and destructive behavior is organized religion. Can we take
that off TV too?


&gt; Politics

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#111: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 14:33:43 by FDR

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&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Yes.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Saying, &quot;God damnit&quot; could be that. Drinking and smoking could be
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; that.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; 11 out of 11 US States.
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; People do have more than one channel on their tv? Do their tv's also
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; have
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; on/off buttons?
&gt;&gt; &gt; Again, people do not want to have their time wasted looking for these
&gt;&gt; &gt; hidden advertisements. Hidden advertisements have already been
&gt;&gt; &gt; investigated by the Congress, representing the public, and have been
&gt;&gt; &gt; declared to be illegal, for this reason.
&gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt;&gt; If it's hidden, then how is it known?
&gt;
&gt; ==========================================
&gt; <a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/subliminal-message" target="_blank">http://www.answers.com/topic/subliminal-message</a>
&gt;
&gt; Subliminal Message
&gt;
&gt; A subliminal message is a signal or message designed to
&gt; pass below (sub) the normal limits of perception.

Then how did you perceive something that isn't supposed to be perceived? If
it was subliminal you wouldn't even know the message.

Your arguments have you chasing your own tail.

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#112: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 14:35:57 by FDR

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&gt; John Shocked wrote:
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&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Yes.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt;&gt;&gt;desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt;&gt;&gt;priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt;&gt;&gt;I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;Saying, &quot;God damnit&quot; could be that. Drinking and smoking could be that.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
&gt;&gt; against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
&gt;&gt; 11 out of 11 US States.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; I didn't see these standards on the ballot. where did you?

They were subliminal.

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#113: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 15:39:28 by Jeff North

On Mon, 30 May 2005 12:07:46 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
&quot;Andrealphus&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:NOREALEMAIL&#64;THISADDRESS.FOAD" target="_blank">NOREALEMAIL&#64;THISADDRESS.FOAD</a>&gt; wrote:

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[snip]

&gt;| &gt; Again, these are worthless statements without proof.
&gt;|
&gt;| It's been proven, time and time again. Cameron is a quack.

<a href="http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron.html" target="_blank"> http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron.htm l</a>
<a href="http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_sheet.html" target="_blank"> http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_she et.html</a>
<a href="http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/cameron.html" target="_blank">http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/cameron.html</a>
<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Paul_Cameron" target="_blank">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Paul_Cameron</a>
<a href="http://www.ralliance.org/Cameron.html" target="_blank">http://www.ralliance.org/Cameron.html</a>

<a href="http://www.cpa.ca/documents/policy.html" target="_blank">http://www.cpa.ca/documents/policy.html</a>
1996 - 1 Public Statement by Paul Cameron on Homosexuality
The Canadian Psychological Association takes the position that Dr.
Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented
research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism and thus, it
formally disassociates itself from the representation and
interpretations of scientific literature in his writings and public
statements on sexuality. (August 1996)


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#114: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 15:46:40 by Jim Phillips

On Sun, 29 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:

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&gt; &gt; On Sun, 29 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:
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&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;Chance Hopkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:chance_hopkins&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">chance_hopkins&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; sexual frustrations out on something else
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; (not your dog or any other animals please). Go get a hobby.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Try running. You can run and run and run, til all the anger is
&gt; gone.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Bye
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married
&gt; ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series, somehow ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Get thee to a psychiatric hospital, post haste.
&gt; &gt; &gt; But you did not answer the question. What would you
&gt; &gt; &gt; say to your homosexual son created by the BSG series ?
&gt; &gt; &quot;How did it happen?&quot;
&gt;
&gt; I just told you.

That doesn't mean it's true.

&gt; BSG and other science fiction series turned your Son
&gt; to Sodomy and homosexual marriage.

Again, how did it happen--did they portray gays in a positive light?
Are secret messages involved? If so, how do you know about them?

&gt; What would be your reaction ?
&gt; &quot;Freedom is so great !&quot; ?

Agreed.

--
Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
&quot;The only reason my wife and I got married in the first place was because
it was something gays couldn't do. Our wedding was conceived entirely as a
giant homosexual taunt. But now the vows I made to my wife seem as shallow
and empty as the vows I made to my three previous wives.&quot;
-- Stephen Colbert, Senior Moral Authority, &quot;The Daily Show&quot;

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#115: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 15:56:00 by Jim Phillips

On Sun, 29 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:

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&gt; &gt; On Sun, 29 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;Chance Hopkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:chance_hopkins&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">chance_hopkins&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; You do not want people to tell the truth when it is
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; disadvantageous to the homosexual agenda ?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; My girlfriend would laugh at you.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Leave the homosexuals alone and take your displaced sexual
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; frustrations out on something else (not your dog or any other
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; animals please). Go get a hobby. Try running. You can run
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and run and run, til all the anger is gone.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Bye.
&gt; &gt; &gt; What will you say when your Son come to you in a few years and
&gt; &gt; &gt; tells you he is a homosexual and is about to be homosexually married ?
&gt; &gt; &quot;Whatever your mother told you, I'm not your father.&quot;
&gt; &gt; &quot;Congratulations--I hope you two will be as happy as your mother &amp; I
&gt; are.&quot;
&gt; &gt; &quot;Make sure you hire security for the ceremony--there are a lot of
&gt; &gt; people who hate homosexuals for some strange reason.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Sure you would say that.
&gt; What is more, I am sure that people are more offended by homosexuals
&gt; defiling the whole idea of marriage, which has
&gt; Child Procreation and Nurturing as its goal, with the smear of a
&gt; homosexual sex act like Sodomy.

I'll bet that in the past people were offended by interracial and
interreligious marriage--does that make those things bad?

&gt; &gt; &gt; And then he tells you how great a series BSG was and how his
&gt; &gt; &gt; homosexual interests began around the time of that series, somehow ?
&gt; &gt; &quot;How did BSG generate homosexual interests in you?&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Let us say that he thought Apollo was the hero of the show
&gt; and he thought Apollo was a homosexual.

What heroic things has Apollo done that other characters have not?
Why do you think Apollo is a homosexual?
What would be wrong with Apollo being a homosexual?

&gt; &gt; &gt; Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt; Yes.
&gt; &gt; So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt;
&gt; It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.

Interracial marriage used to be deviant--is it still, in your eyes?
Women wearing pants used to be deviant--is it still, in your eyes?
Do you believe that cable TV should be regulated the same as
broadcast TV, even though it is not available to the general public?

--
Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
&quot;The only reason my wife and I got married in the first place was because
it was something gays couldn't do. Our wedding was conceived entirely as a
giant homosexual taunt. But now the vows I made to my wife seem as shallow
and empty as the vows I made to my three previous wives.&quot;
-- Stephen Colbert, Senior Moral Authority, &quot;The Daily Show&quot;

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#116: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 15:59:01 by Jim Phillips

On Sun, 29 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:

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&gt; &gt; &gt; ===================================
&gt; &gt; &gt; News Bulletin from www.scifi.com :
&gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html" target="_blank">http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html</a>
&gt; &gt; &gt; ==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt; &gt; &gt; Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt; &gt; &gt; Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt; &gt; &gt; created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt; &gt; &gt; bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt; &gt; &gt; The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt; &gt; &gt; themes and issues.
&gt; &gt; &gt; The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt; &gt; &gt; manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt; &gt; &gt; awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt; &gt; &gt; categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt; &gt; &gt; The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt; &gt; &gt; Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
&gt; &gt; &gt; follows.
&gt; &gt; &gt; Best Novel
&gt; &gt; &gt; . The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt; &gt; &gt; Best Short Fiction
&gt; &gt; &gt; . &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt; &gt; &gt; Best Other Work
&gt; &gt; &gt; . Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt; &gt; &gt; . Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and Michael
&gt; &gt; &gt; Lark
&gt; &gt; &gt; =====================================
&gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; You're anti-gay postings are affecting my brain. I have now turned into
&gt; an
&gt; &gt; ultra-conservative, gay hating bigot. Your work is done. Your message is
&gt; &gt; much more powerful than broadcast tv. I will now hate tv, BSG and gays as
&gt; &gt; much as you. Do you have any further commands for me master?
&gt;
&gt; If you hate Homosexuals, you must already have hated them,
&gt; because nothing in what I have stated in any way encourages Hate
&gt; of any kind.

You believe that referring to something as deviant is not hateful?

--
Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
&quot;The only reason my wife and I got married in the first place was because
it was something gays couldn't do. Our wedding was conceived entirely as a
giant homosexual taunt. But now the vows I made to my wife seem as shallow
and empty as the vows I made to my three previous wives.&quot;
-- Stephen Colbert, Senior Moral Authority, &quot;The Daily Show&quot;

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#117: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 16:05:01 by Jim Phillips

On Sun, 29 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:

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&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; ===================================
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; News Bulletin from www.scifi.com :
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html" target="_blank">http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html</a>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; ==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; themes and issues.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; follows.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Novel
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Short Fiction
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Best Other Work
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; . Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and
&gt; Michael
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Lark
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; =====================================
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; You're anti-gay postings are affecting my brain. I have now
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; turned into an ultra-conservative, gay hating bigot. Your work
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; is done. Your message is much more powerful than broadcast tv.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; I will now hate tv, BSG and gays as much as you.
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Do you have any further commands for me master?
&gt; &gt; &gt; If you hate Homosexuals, you must already have hated them,
&gt; &gt; &gt; because nothing in what I have stated in any way encourages
&gt; &gt; &gt; Hate of any kind.
&gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; I thought you described it as deviant? Should we not hate
&gt; &gt; deviant behavior?
&gt;
&gt; I have not encouraged people to Hate anything.
&gt; Just keep deviant behavior off the TV set.

Portraying homosexuality in a positive way
Portraying marriage between a man and a woman as a marriage of equals
Portraying a man whose boss is a woman
Portraying a woman wearing pants
Portraying a woman who is a soldier
Portraying a member of the clergy in a negative light
Portraying a religious person breaking one of their religious beliefs
Portraying a religious person breaking one of your religious beliefs

Why are these deviant?

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Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
&quot;The only reason my wife and I got married in the first place was because
it was something gays couldn't do. Our wedding was conceived entirely as a
giant homosexual taunt. But now the vows I made to my wife seem as shallow
and empty as the vows I made to my three previous wives.&quot;
-- Stephen Colbert, Senior Moral Authority, &quot;The Daily Show&quot;

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#118: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 16:13:46 by Jim Phillips

On Mon, 30 May 2005, Rex Manteca wrote:

&gt; FDR wrote:
&gt; &gt; &quot;John Shocked&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt;
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&gt; &gt;&gt;News Bulletin from www.scifi.com :
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;<a href="http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html" target="_blank">http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue390/news.html</a>
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;==========search 2/3 down page==========
&gt; &gt;&gt;Gaylactic Awards Presented
&gt; &gt;&gt;Organizers announced the winners of the Gaylactic Spectrum Awards,
&gt; &gt;&gt;created by the Gaylactic Network, an organization for gay, lesbian,
&gt; &gt;&gt;bisexual and transgender fans of SF, fantasy and horror.
&gt; &gt;&gt;The awards honor works that deal positively with gay characters,
&gt; &gt;&gt;themes and issues.
&gt; &gt;&gt;The Gaylactic Spectrum Awards Foundation was created in 2002 to
&gt; &gt;&gt;manage and further the mission of the awards to educate and raise
&gt; &gt;&gt;awareness of such content in SF&amp;F. Awards were presented in three
&gt; &gt;&gt;categories for works originally released in 2003.
&gt; &gt;&gt;The 2004 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards were presented at the World
&gt; &gt;&gt;Science Fiction Convention in Boston on Sept. 5. A list of winners
&gt; &gt;&gt;follows.
&gt; &gt;&gt;Best Novel
&gt; &gt;&gt;. The Salt Roads by Nalo Hopkinson
&gt; &gt;&gt;Best Short Fiction
&gt; &gt;&gt;. &quot;Lark Till Dawn, Princess&quot; by Barth Anderson
&gt; &gt;&gt;Best Other Work
&gt; &gt;&gt;. Angels in America, by Tony Kushner, HBO, et al.
&gt; &gt;&gt;. Gotham Central: Half a Life (issues 6-10), by Greg Rucka and Michael
&gt; &gt;&gt;Lark
&gt; &gt;&gt;=====================================
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;Politics
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; You're anti-gay postings are affecting my brain. I have now turned into an
&gt; &gt; ultra-conservative, gay hating bigot. Your work is done. Your message is
&gt; &gt; much more powerful than broadcast tv. I will now hate tv, BSG and gays as
&gt; &gt; much as you. Do you have any further commands for me master?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; You forgot the &quot;Love all Arabs&quot; part.

Sounds pretty homosexual to me (although technically I guess it
would be bisexual).

--
Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
&quot;The only reason my wife and I got married in the first place was because
it was something gays couldn't do. Our wedding was conceived entirely as a
giant homosexual taunt. But now the vows I made to my wife seem as shallow
and empty as the vows I made to my three previous wives.&quot;
-- Stephen Colbert, Senior Moral Authority, &quot;The Daily Show&quot;

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#119: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 16:46:01 by Boy Toy

On Mon, 30 May 2005 12:07:46 GMT, &quot;Andrealphus&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:NOREALEMAIL&#64;THISADDRESS.FOAD" target="_blank">NOREALEMAIL&#64;THISADDRESS.FOAD</a>&gt; wrote in message
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Trimmed 500 layers, ending with shlock's reference to Paul Cameron,
the well-known quack:

&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Here is the truth about homosexuality origins:
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; =======================================
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html" target="_blank">http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html</a>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? By
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Paul Cameron, Ph.
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Paul Cameron is a quack. Pure and simple.
&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Explain why, if you want to be taken seriously.
&gt;&gt;&gt; Let's see, he's been called a liar by three federal judges. His research
&gt;&gt;&gt; methodology is highly flawed, he's been booted out of every mainstream
&gt;&gt;&gt; professional organization he was ever a member off for his flawed
&gt;&gt; research.
&gt;&gt;&gt; Is that enough?
&gt;&gt;&gt; He's a quack, it's not even debatable.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Again, these are worthless statements without proof.

Google &quot;Paul Cameron fraud,&quot; schlock. His decertifications are a
matter of public record. He even tries to defend against them on your
quack religious site, schlock, saying he quit before he was expelled.
The reasons were unprofessional and unethical behaviour in
deliberately misrepresenting the work of other people and employing
bogus &quot;research&quot; methods (like hand-picked &quot;random&quot; samples.) He was
also cited by at least one judge for misrepresentation in court. I
hope nobody pays him for his &quot;expert&quot; testimony, because the testimony
of a cited liar sure isn't worth much. As you are finding, schlock,
from the responses you receive on these newsgroups to your own lies
and insane ramblings.

But people like you, schlock, get suckered into this rubbish because,
due to a lack of education in the scientific method, they can't tell
the difference between good and bad research. They instead rely on
what other people tell them, even when these other people are as
ignorant as he is, and have a motive to lie and spread hysteria.

&gt;It's been proven, time and time again. Cameron is a quack.

Here's a cite. I found it by googling &quot;John Cameron fraud.&quot; It's a
pity schlock can't figure out how to do a search. One might suspect
he doesn't want to see the results. Other search results include
releases from the APA regarding his expulsion and disgrace, and the
fact that he has been stripped of the right to practice in his field.

<a href="http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_sheet.html" target="_blank"> http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_she et.html</a>

Until 1980, Dr. Paul Cameron was an instructor in
psychology at the University of Nebraska. When his
teaching contract was not renewed, Cameron devoted himself
full-time to a think tank he had set up called the
&quot;Institute for the Scientific Investigation of
Sexuality&quot;(ISIS) in Lincoln, Nebraska. Under the auspices
of this institute, Cameron touted himself as an expert on
matters of sexuality, particularly on the societal
consequences of homosexuality. Throughout the 1980s, Dr.
Cameron's institute published a series of hysterical
pamphlets variously entitled: Criminality, Social
Disruption and Homosexuality; Child Molestation and
Homosexuality; and Murder, Violence and Homosexuality. In
these pamphlets, Cameron presented &quot;findings&quot; allegedly
showing that homosexuals were disproportionately
responsible for all sorts of heinous crimes, including
serial killing, child molestation and bestiality.

Shortly after making these claims, however, Cameron came
under fire by a number of psychologists whom he had cited
in his publications, including Dr. A. Nicholas Groth,
director of the Sex Offender Program at the Connecticut
Department of Corrections---an expert on child molestation.
Dr. Groth and other psychologists complained that Cameron
was deliberately distorting or otherwise misrepresenting
the results of their studies in order to support his
agenda.

In response to these complaints about Cameron from his
fellow psychologists, the American Psychological
Association launched an investigation of Cameron's
research. The APA discovered that Cameron not only
misrepresented other psychologists' findings, but that his
own studies employed unsound methodologies.

Citing Cameron's breach of the APA code of ethics, the APA
expelled Cameron from its membership in December 1983.
Cameron claimed that he had actually resigned before the
APA expelled him, but APA bylaws prohibit members from
resigning while they are under investigation.

Cameron was also censured by the Nebraska Psychological
Association, the American Sociological Association, and
the Midwest Sociological Society. In 1984, US District
Judge Jerry Buchmeyer denounced Cameron for having made
misrepresentations to the court in a case involving the
Texasstate sodomy law.

Challenges to Cameron's credibility only seemed to spur
Cameron to accelerate his anti-Gay activities. In 1987,
Cameron moved to Washington DC and set up shop under the
auspices of the Family Research Institute, a &quot;a non-profit
Educational and Scientific Corporation.&quot; From this location,
Cameron has continued to crank out his propaganda,
periodically updating his brochures and aiming to influence
the policy-making community. As Cameron has stated in one
brochure, &quot;Published scientific material has a profound impact
on society... In a clash between the oreticalethics and hard,
cold statistics, the data-linked opinion will always win.&quot;

<a href="http://www.geocities.com/ninur­e/cameron.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/ninur­e/cameron.html</a>

--
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#120: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 16:55:40 by Andrealphus

&quot;Jeff North&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jnorthau&#64;yahoo.com.au" target="_blank">jnorthau&#64;yahoo.com.au</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; On Mon, 30 May 2005 12:07:46 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
&gt; &quot;Andrealphus&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:NOREALEMAIL&#64;THISADDRESS.FOAD" target="_blank">NOREALEMAIL&#64;THISADDRESS.FOAD</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;| &quot;John Shocked&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt; [snip]
&gt;
&gt;&gt;| &gt; Again, these are worthless statements without proof.
&gt;&gt;|
&gt;&gt;| It's been proven, time and time again. Cameron is a quack.
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron.html" target="_blank"> http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron.htm l</a>
&gt; <a href="http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_sheet.html" target="_blank"> http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_she et.html</a>
&gt; <a href="http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/cameron.html" target="_blank">http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/cameron.html</a>
&gt; <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Paul_Cameron" target="_blank">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Paul_Cameron</a>
&gt; <a href="http://www.ralliance.org/Cameron.html" target="_blank">http://www.ralliance.org/Cameron.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.cpa.ca/documents/policy.html" target="_blank">http://www.cpa.ca/documents/policy.html</a>
&gt; 1996 - 1 Public Statement by Paul Cameron on Homosexuality
&gt; The Canadian Psychological Association takes the position that Dr.
&gt; Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented
&gt; research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism and thus, it
&gt; formally disassociates itself from the representation and
&gt; interpretations of scientific literature in his writings and public
&gt; statements on sexuality. (August 1996)
&gt;

One wonders how many times this needs to be posted before his supporters get
the message. They guy's a quack, pure and simple.

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#121: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 19:11:11 by Dennis Kemmerer

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[snip]

&gt;&gt; I have not encouraged people to Hate anything.
&gt;&gt; Just keep deviant behavior off the TV set.
&gt;
&gt; Each one of us deems what they consider acceptable behavior. If we don't
&gt; like it, we turn the channel. I don't want to watch Britney Spears' new
&gt; show, so I don't. It's easy.
&gt;
&gt; Let people have the choice. Don't make the choice for me.

'John Shocked' and his crowd are too stupid to use the on/off switch, much
less V-Chip or their provider's blocking controls.

Maybe there's a market for a satellite or cable company that only shows
reruns of 'Ozzie and Harriet.'

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#122: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 19:11:11 by Dennis Kemmerer

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&gt;&gt; John Shocked wrote:
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&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Ok with you ?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Yes.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Saying, &quot;God damnit&quot; could be that. Drinking and smoking could be that.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
&gt;&gt;&gt; against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
&gt;&gt;&gt; 11 out of 11 US States.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I didn't see these standards on the ballot. where did you?
&gt;
&gt; They were subliminal.

And apparently, visible only to religious kooks.

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Posted on 2005-05-30 19:41:57 by Fritz

John Shocked wrote:

&gt; &gt; So Senator McCarthy, you've got your panties in a wet bunch over
&gt; &gt; fags, because 'YOU THOUGHT' the hero was homosexual.
&gt;
&gt; So what wouldbe your reaction to your Son if he told you he turned
&gt; to homosexuality because he thought &quot;Apollo the hero in BSG was
&gt; a great homosexual&quot; ?

I'd think he was just trying to get out of cleaning the
garage Saturday morning.

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#124: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 19:46:42 by Fritz

John Shocked wrote:

&gt; &gt; People do have more than one channel on their tv? Do their tv's also have
&gt; &gt; on/off buttons?
&gt;
&gt; Again, people do not want to have their time wasted looking for these
&gt; hidden advertisements. Hidden advertisements have already been
&gt; investigated by the Congress, representing the public, and have been
&gt; declared to be illegal, for this reason.

So you see yourself as some kind of savior of mankind,
or something? Boy, you have a lot of work to do.

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#125: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 19:54:36 by Fritz

John Shocked wrote:

&gt; &gt; &gt; If it's hidden, then how is it known?
&gt; &gt; The people that play records backwards and step through Disney movies
&gt; &gt; one frame at a time find them...aided by their aluminum foil lined
&gt; &gt; consecrated Senator McCarthy commemorative underwear. But, only if the
&gt; &gt; neighbors dog tells them where to look.
&gt;
&gt; ==========================================
&gt; <a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/subliminal-message" target="_blank">http://www.answers.com/topic/subliminal-message</a>
&gt;
&gt; Subliminal Message
&gt;
&gt; A subliminal message is a signal or message designed to
&gt; pass below (sub) the normal limits of perception. For
&gt; example it might be inaudible to the conscious mind (but
&gt; audible to the unconscious or deeper mind) or might be
&gt; an image transmitted briefly and unperceived consciously
&gt; and yet perceived unconsciously. This definition assumes
&gt; a division between conscious and unconscious which may
&gt; be misleading; it may be better to say that the
&gt; subliminal message (sound or image) is perceived by
&gt; deeper parts of what is a single integrated mind.
&gt;
&gt; In the everyday world, many have claimed that subliminal
&gt; techniques are used in advertising and for propaganda
&gt; purposes but officially it is denied. In Russia,
&gt; however, there have been reports of subliminal messages.
&gt; For example, Pravda has had stories about the discovery
&gt; of subliminal messages in advertising from the West.
&gt;
&gt; Origin of the Term
&gt;
&gt; The term subliminal message was popularized in a 1957
&gt; book entitled The Hidden Persuaders by Vance Packard.
&gt; This book detailed a study of movie theaters that
&gt; supposedly used subliminal commands to increase the
&gt; sales of popcorn and Coca-Cola at their concession
&gt; stands. However, James Vicary (the author of the study)
&gt; later admitted the study was fabricated.
&gt;
&gt; In 1973 Wilson Bryan Key's book Subliminal Seduction
&gt; claimed that subliminal techniques were in wide use in
&gt; advertising. The book contributed to a general climate
&gt; of fear with regard to Orwellian dangers (of subliminal
&gt; messaging). Public concern was enough to lead the
&gt; Federal Communications Commission to hold hearings and
&gt; to declare subliminal advertising &quot;contrary to the
&gt; public interest&quot; because it involved &quot;intentional
&gt; deception&quot; of the public.
&gt;
&gt; Validity
&gt;
&gt; In spite of the popular belief that subliminal messages
&gt; are widely used to influence audiences, there is little
&gt; evidence that the technique has ever been used on a mass
&gt; audience (other than its occasional use by artists who
&gt; use it to make an artistic statement). There is no
&gt; evidence that subliminal messages have any effect at all
&gt; on a viewer or listener, and the current consensus among
&gt; marketing professionals is that subliminal advertising
&gt; is ineffective and can be counter-productive. The theory
&gt; underlying subliminal messages is often considered to be
&gt; pseudoscience. However, the concept of subliminal
&gt; messages is very popular among conspiracy theorists, and
&gt; most people in media-saturated areas (such as the United
&gt; States) are familiar with the term.
&gt;
&gt; A number of fringe elements in society have made
&gt; occasional claims that subliminal messages can be found
&gt; in various forms of popular entertainment. Popular
&gt; claims of subliminal commands include the supposed use
&gt; of &quot;backward messages&quot; in rock and roll songs.
&gt; Conservative activist Donald Wildmon has claimed that
&gt; The Walt Disney Company inserted the subliminal command
&gt; &quot;SEX&quot; into the animated film The Lion King (see that
&gt; article for more information on this). Mainstream
&gt; authorities have generally ignored these claims due to
&gt; the dubious reputations of their authors.
&gt;
&gt; Discussion
&gt;
&gt; Subliminal perception or cognition, if it exists, can be
&gt; considered a subset of unconscious cognition where the
&gt; forms of unconscious cognition also include attending to
&gt; one signal in a noisy environment while unconsciously
&gt; keeping track of other signals (e.g. one voice out of
&gt; many in a crowded room) and tasks done automatically
&gt; (e.g. driving a car).
&gt;
&gt; An important question about subliminal perception is:
&gt; How much of the unattended or unconscious signal or
&gt; message is perceived? That is, is the whole message
&gt; sensed and fully digested or perhaps only its main and
&gt; simpler features? There are at least two schools of
&gt; thought about this. One of them argues that only the
&gt; simpler features of unconscious signals could be
&gt; perceived. The second school of thought argues that
&gt; unconscious cognition is comprehensive and that much
&gt; more is perceived than can be verbalized.
&gt;
&gt; Various types of studies of subliminal perception have
&gt; been conducted. A related field is the question of
&gt; whether anaesthetized patients are completely unaware
&gt; whilst apparently completely asleep/unconscious.
&gt;
&gt; Proponents of the power of subliminal messages claim
&gt; they gain influence or power from the fact that they
&gt; circumvent the critical functions of the conscious mind,
&gt; and therefore subliminal suggestions are potentially
&gt; more powerful than ordinary suggestions. This route to
&gt; influence or persuasion would be akin to auto-suggestion
&gt; or hypnosis wherein the subject is encouraged to be (or
&gt; somehow induced to be) relaxed so that suggestions are
&gt; directed to deeper (more gullible) parts of the mind;
&gt; some observers have argued that the unconscious mind is
&gt; incapable of critical refusal of hypnotic or subliminal
&gt; suggestions.
&gt;
&gt; However, research findings do not support the conclusion
&gt; that subliminal suggestions are peculiarly powerful, or
&gt; even have any effect at all.
&gt;
&gt; Subliminal Messages in Advertising
&gt;
&gt; A form of subliminal messaging commonly believed to
&gt; exist involves the insertion of &quot;hidden&quot; messages into
&gt; movies and TV programs. The concept of &quot;moving pictures&quot;
&gt; relies on persistence of vision to create the illusion
&gt; of movement in a series of images projected at 23 to 50
&gt; frames per second; the popular theory of subliminal
&gt; messages usually suggests that subliminal commands can
&gt; be inserted into this sequence at the rate of perhaps 1
&gt; frame in 25 (or roughly 1 frame per second, with a
&gt; duration of about 1/25 of 1 second). The hidden command
&gt; in a single frame will flash across the screen so
&gt; quickly that it is not consciously perceived, but the
&gt; command will supposedly appeal to the subconscious mind
&gt; of the viewer, and thus have some measurable effect in
&gt; terms of behavior.
&gt;
&gt; Another &quot;subliminal&quot; message technique is supposedly to
&gt; embed into a printed advertisement certain messages or
&gt; symbols which are subtle and perceived only by the
&gt; unconscious mind, either to communicate a message or to
&gt; increase the attention paid to the printed ad. This
&gt; technique, as with subliminal TV advertising, is not
&gt; generally regarded as effective.
&gt;
&gt; As to the question of whether subliminal messages are
&gt; widely used to influence groups of people e.g.
&gt; audiences, there is no evidence to suggest that any
&gt; serious or sustained attempt has been made to use the
&gt; technology on a mass audience. The widespread reports
&gt; that arose in 1957 to the effect that customers in a
&gt; movie theatre in New Jersey had been induced by
&gt; subliminal messages to consume more popcorn and more
&gt; Coca-Cola were almost certainly false. The current
&gt; consensus among marketing professionals is that
&gt; subliminal advertising is counter-productive. To some
&gt; this is because they believe it to be ineffective, but
&gt; to most it is because they realise it would be a public
&gt; relations disaster if its use were discovered. Many have
&gt; misgivings about using it in marketing campaigns due to
&gt; ethical considerations.
&gt;
&gt; During the 2000 U.S. presidential campaign, a television
&gt; ad campaigning for Republican candidate George W. Bush
&gt; showed words (and parts thereof) scaling from the
&gt; foreground to the background on a television screen.
&gt; When the word BUREAUCRATS flashed on the screen, one
&gt; frame showed only the last part, RATS. Democrats
&gt; promptly asked the FCC to look into the matter, but no
&gt; penalties were ever assessed in the case. The effect
&gt; this had on the overall presidential race was unclear;
&gt; the Democrats and Al Gore received ridicule for finding
&gt; malicious intent in something that could have been a
&gt; simple mistake; the Republicans received ridicule for
&gt; the lack of attention to detail and Bush's
&gt; mispronunciation of &quot;subliminal&quot; (it came out as
&gt; &quot;subliminable&quot;). (It bears mentioning that the
&gt; &quot;subliminal message&quot; is easily viewable when the ad is
&gt; played at regular speed. If the message were truly
&gt; subliminal, that would not be the case.)
&gt;
&gt; The most common ways of making one of these messages are
&gt; playing a string of images each lasting 1/3000th of a
&gt; second, words scrolling across a screen just fast enough
&gt; so the viewer can only pick out one at a time, and using
&gt; pictures to provoke the primal instincts in the viewer.
&gt; Primal insticts are those instincts that command killing
&gt; or sexually reproducing. The 4 most used words to invoke
&gt; these insticts are: SEX, F***, KILL, and DIE.
&gt;
&gt; Works cited: www.ebaumsworld.com &quot;urban legends&quot;. found
&gt; in the animation section.
&gt;
&gt; See also advertising marketing promotion backmasking
&gt;
&gt; Quotations
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Over the years there have been literally hundreds of
&gt; studies&quot;...&quot;these studies show that considerable
&gt; information capable of informing decisions and guiding
&gt; actions is perceived even when observers do not
&gt; experience any awareness of perceiving&quot;. Philip Merikle,
&gt; Department of Psychology, University of Waterloo.

Ok, just because these &quot;subliminal messages&quot; worked on you,
doesn't mean they will affect everyone the same. You do, after all, need
a very low IQ, and a high degree of insecurity.

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#126: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 20:03:50 by Boy Toy

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&gt;
&gt;[snip]
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; I have not encouraged people to Hate anything.
&gt;&gt;&gt; Just keep deviant behavior off the TV set.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Each one of us deems what they consider acceptable behavior. If we don't
&gt;&gt; like it, we turn the channel. I don't want to watch Britney Spears' new
&gt;&gt; show, so I don't. It's easy.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Let people have the choice. Don't make the choice for me.
&gt;
&gt;'John Shocked' and his crowd are too stupid to use the on/off switch, much
&gt;less V-Chip or their provider's blocking controls.
&gt;
&gt;Maybe there's a market for a satellite or cable company that only shows
&gt;reruns of 'Ozzie and Harriet.'

Ozzie &amp; Harriette is related to the TV program &quot;Oz.&quot; After all, the
names are similar, so therefore they MUST be the same!!! I know for a
fact (!!!) that Ozzie &amp; Harriette contains SECRET SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES
promoting prison life!!! Moreover, JESUS, speaking through my dog,
told me I was CORRECT!!!
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#127: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 20:12:25 by Fritz

John Shocked wrote:

&gt; &gt; &gt; Again, people do not want to have their time wasted looking for these
&gt; &gt; &gt; hidden advertisements. Hidden advertisements have already been
&gt; &gt; &gt; investigated by the Congress, representing the public, and have been
&gt; &gt; &gt; declared to be illegal, for this reason.
&gt; &gt; &gt; Politics
&gt; &gt; This makes no sense at all. If people don't want to have their time
&gt; &gt; wasted looking for hidden advertisements, tell them not to look. Being
&gt; &gt; gay is genetic (except in women). It can't be transmitted by
&gt; &gt; advertisements, hidden or otherwise.
&gt;
&gt; Rubbish. Homosexuals would have died out by now from the
&gt; gene pool if this was passed on genetically, since they homosexuals
&gt; for the most part fail to reproduce.
&gt;
&gt; =======================================
&gt;
&gt; <a href="http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html" target="_blank">http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet1.html</a>
&gt;
&gt; What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? By
&gt; Paul Cameron, Ph. D. Dr. Cameron is Chariman of the
&gt; Family Research Institute of Colorado Springs,
&gt; Colorado USA.

I see where you're coming from now. For your information,
Paul Cameron is an old beat up charlatan that can't get laid
anymore, if he ever did.
He set up his elaborate scam to bilk money from you poor morons
that hate gays. He can't prove any of his claims or accretions,
he's a twit, and in my opinion is as gay as a tweetie bird.
Are you related to him?

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#129: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 20:29:55 by Fritz

FDR wrote:

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&gt; &gt; John Shocked wrote:
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&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Ok with you ?
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Yes.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;So what's wrong with a &quot;homosexual agenda&quot;?
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;It is deviant and does not belong on broadcast or cable TV.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;Deviant by whose standards? The language on Deadwood could be that.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;The howard stern show could be that. The whoring around on
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;desperate housewives could be that. The hundreds or thousands of
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;priests who like to play with little boys could be that. The book
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;I just read that used the word &quot;hell&quot; a few times could be that.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;Saying, &quot;God damnit&quot; could be that. Drinking and smoking could be that.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Deviant by the standards of the people who voted overwhelmingly
&gt; &gt;&gt; against the homosexual agenda in the November 2004 elections in
&gt; &gt;&gt; 11 out of 11 US States.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I didn't see these standards on the ballot. where did you?
&gt;
&gt; They were subliminal.

Dam, now I have to change my drawers again.

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#130: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 20:36:16 by Fritz

Rex Manteca wrote:

&gt; &gt;&gt;Now hold on there cowboy. Sodomy includes blowjobs. Let's not go
&gt; &gt;&gt;bashing something until we've had one.
&gt; &gt;&gt;the whole idea of marriage is: property.
&gt; &gt;&gt;Property and keeping others from porking it. It has nothing to do with
&gt; &gt;&gt;procreation or nurturing, that's hogwash trumped up by the church and
&gt; &gt;&gt;other religious zealots. Homosexual acts also occur in nature. What tv
&gt; &gt;&gt;show is responsible for gay animals, Mr. Ed? Oh Willlllber....
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; You mean animals at the San Francisco Zoo, where chemical pheromones
&gt; &gt; are used by the homosexual staff to induce artificially deviant sexual
&gt; &gt; animal behavior ?
&gt;
&gt; You absolutely CANNOT be serious. I've almost p'd myself laughing.

Do you think there might be DVDs?
I had one once where the horse and the girl.... never mind.


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#131: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 20:38:44 by Fritz

John Shocked wrote:

&gt; &gt; Please let us know what f'd up church you go to, what religion you belong
&gt; &gt; to, that has you so screwed up that you see homosexual conspiracies in
&gt; BSG.
&gt; &gt; Please tell us, so we can steer our children away from you and your
&gt; illness.
&gt;
&gt; I do not have a church and I have no interest in religion.
&gt; The fact that sodomy is disgusting and immoral has nothing to do
&gt; with established religion. Would you like to watch bestiality in the
&gt; middle of your science fiction show too ?

Not if it's subliminal.

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#132: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 20:45:48 by Fritz

FDR wrote:

&gt; &gt;&gt; I thought you described it as deviant? Should we not hate
&gt; &gt;&gt; deviant behavior?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I have not encouraged people to Hate anything.
&gt; &gt; Just keep deviant behavior off the TV set.
&gt;
&gt; What will happen if this hidden deviant behavior stays on tv? If I watch
&gt; this hidden behavior on this show, will I turn gay? Should I watch BSG and
&gt; see if I start liking guys after that? Will a show really make me want to
&gt; get a dick in the ass? You've seen the show, do you want a dick in the ass
&gt; now? If you don't then it's not working and we shouldn't worry. If you do
&gt; want to get fucked in the ass now, do you feel good about it or bad? Do you
&gt; have shameful feelings? Do you take it in the ass while drinking Coke? You
&gt; know Coke ran an ad and you had to buy it because Coke is run by powerful
&gt; people that know what they are doing and spent billions selling you on it.
&gt; Because if you didn't drink Coke while getting it in the ass, then the CEO
&gt; of Coke would be fired. Oh wait, Pepsi is alos run by smart and powerful
&gt; people too and spent billions and must be right for spending that money too.
&gt; So do you have to drink a Coke and a Pepsi while getting fucked in the ass?
&gt; Would you feel better if you sucked the CEO of Pepsi while the Coke CEO
&gt; banged you in the ass?
&gt;
&gt; All because of this hidden message that is so powerful that it is turning
&gt; the country gay without any hope of turning back. Oh, but it will be a gay
&gt; country that sucks corporate cock while drinking Pepsi and Coke because they
&gt; must be right to spend so much on their ads.
&gt;
&gt; Do I have it about right? Now go back to sucking cock and getting fucked in
&gt; the ass because you saw a show that makes people want to do that. Don't
&gt; foget your Coke and Pepsi or else CEOs will be fired.....

Will a Bud Lite do as well?

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#133: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 21:08:57 by Fritz

Boy Toy wrote:

&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; I have not encouraged people to Hate anything.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Just keep deviant behavior off the TV set.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Each one of us deems what they consider acceptable behavior. If we don't
&gt; &gt;&gt; like it, we turn the channel. I don't want to watch Britney Spears' new
&gt; &gt;&gt; show, so I don't. It's easy.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Let people have the choice. Don't make the choice for me.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;'John Shocked' and his crowd are too stupid to use the on/off switch, much
&gt; &gt;less V-Chip or their provider's blocking controls.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Maybe there's a market for a satellite or cable company that only shows
&gt; &gt;reruns of 'Ozzie and Harriet.'
&gt;
&gt; Ozzie &amp; Harriette is related to the TV program &quot;Oz.&quot; After all, the
&gt; names are similar, so therefore they MUST be the same!!! I know for a
&gt; fact (!!!) that Ozzie &amp; Harriette contains SECRET SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES
&gt; promoting prison life!!! Moreover, JESUS, speaking through my dog,
&gt; told me I was CORRECT!!!

That's not what my neighbor's cat said.
You better be careful.

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#134: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-30 22:21:19 by Dennis Kemmerer

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&gt; On Mon, 30 May 2005 17:11:11 GMT, &quot;Dennis Kemmerer&quot;
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&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;[snip]
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I have not encouraged people to Hate anything.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Just keep deviant behavior off the TV set.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Each one of us deems what they consider acceptable behavior. If we
&gt;&gt;&gt; don't
&gt;&gt;&gt; like it, we turn the channel. I don't want to watch Britney Spears' new
&gt;&gt;&gt; show, so I don't. It's easy.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Let people have the choice. Don't make the choice for me.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;'John Shocked' and his crowd are too stupid to use the on/off switch, much
&gt;&gt;less V-Chip or their provider's blocking controls.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Maybe there's a market for a satellite or cable company that only shows
&gt;&gt;reruns of 'Ozzie and Harriet.'
&gt;
&gt; Ozzie &amp; Harriette is related to the TV program &quot;Oz.&quot; After all, the
&gt; names are similar, so therefore they MUST be the same!!! I know for a
&gt; fact (!!!) that Ozzie &amp; Harriette contains SECRET SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES
&gt; promoting prison life!!! Moreover, JESUS, speaking through my dog,
&gt; told me I was CORRECT!!!

OMG, *that's* why I'm gay! It's from watching all that 'Oz'-zie and Harriet
when I was a kid!! I was subliminally brainwashed.

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#135: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-31 02:45:31 by FDR

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&gt; On Mon, 30 May 2005 05:22:39 GMT, &quot;FDR&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:_remove_spam_block_rzitka&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">_remove_spam_block_rzitka&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;No. The human race has plenty of recessive genes that are harmful to
&gt;&gt;life.
&gt;&gt;Birth defects are common. If your reasoning was correct, there would be
&gt;&gt;no
&gt;&gt;birth defects because they would die out with the lives they have killed.
&gt;
&gt; Come on people, did anyone here actually get out of grade school yet?
&gt;
&gt; Recessive genes are not the issue. The issue is a gene that allegedly
&gt; causes behavior that prevents the gene from replicating in another
&gt; human being. If being gay were genetic, there would be zero chance
&gt; that a typical gay male could ever pass on his genes. There would of
&gt; course be the occasional heterosexual relationship, of those who are
&gt; bi, but gay, truly gay, men would not reproduce.
&gt;
&gt; Downs Syndrome, Cystic Fibrosis and other genetic diseases do not
&gt; prevent reproduction. Hopefully you can at least imagine the
&gt; conclusion.

They sure will if the person dies because of it at an early age. It will
also affect reproduction if nobodoy wants to have sex with them.

&gt;
&gt; Lastly, gays claim they are almost 50% of the population. In fact
&gt; they are less than 5%. However, either value is significantly high
&gt; for a &quot;recessive gene&quot; that prevents reproduction with 100% certainty.
&gt; Even genetic disorders that have a far lower effect on reproduction
&gt; are not seen in more than 0.5% of the population.

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#136: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-31 03:03:56 by Andrealphus

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&gt; On Mon, 30 May 2005 05:22:39 GMT, &quot;FDR&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:_remove_spam_block_rzitka&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">_remove_spam_block_rzitka&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;No. The human race has plenty of recessive genes that are harmful to
&gt;&gt;life.
&gt;&gt;Birth defects are common. If your reasoning was correct, there would be
&gt;&gt;no
&gt;&gt;birth defects because they would die out with the lives they have killed.
&gt;
&gt; Come on people, did anyone here actually get out of grade school yet?
&gt;
&gt; Recessive genes are not the issue. The issue is a gene that allegedly
&gt; causes behavior that prevents the gene from replicating in another
&gt; human being. If being gay were genetic, there would be zero chance
&gt; that a typical gay male could ever pass on his genes.

Which has nada to do with passing on a gay gene since his/her brothers and
sisters can easily pass it on.

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#137: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-31 03:18:28 by Jeff North

On Mon, 30 May 2005 14:55:40 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
&quot;Andrealphus&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:NOREALEMAIL&#64;THISADDRESS.FOAD" target="_blank">NOREALEMAIL&#64;THISADDRESS.FOAD</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;|
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&gt;| &gt; On Mon, 30 May 2005 12:07:46 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
&gt;| &gt; &quot;Andrealphus&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:NOREALEMAIL&#64;THISADDRESS.FOAD" target="_blank">NOREALEMAIL&#64;THISADDRESS.FOAD</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;| &gt;
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&gt;| &gt;
&gt;| &gt; [snip]
&gt;| &gt;
&gt;| &gt;&gt;| &gt; Again, these are worthless statements without proof.
&gt;| &gt;&gt;|
&gt;| &gt;&gt;| It's been proven, time and time again. Cameron is a quack.
&gt;| &gt;
&gt;| &gt; <a href="http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron.html" target="_blank"> http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron.htm l</a>
&gt;| &gt; <a href="http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_sheet.html" target="_blank"> http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_she et.html</a>
&gt;| &gt; <a href="http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/cameron.html" target="_blank">http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/cameron.html</a>
&gt;| &gt; <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Paul_Cameron" target="_blank">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Paul_Cameron</a>
&gt;| &gt; <a href="http://www.ralliance.org/Cameron.html" target="_blank">http://www.ralliance.org/Cameron.html</a>
&gt;| &gt;
&gt;| &gt; <a href="http://www.cpa.ca/documents/policy.html" target="_blank">http://www.cpa.ca/documents/policy.html</a>
&gt;| &gt; 1996 - 1 Public Statement by Paul Cameron on Homosexuality
&gt;| &gt; The Canadian Psychological Association takes the position that Dr.
&gt;| &gt; Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented
&gt;| &gt; research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism and thus, it
&gt;| &gt; formally disassociates itself from the representation and
&gt;| &gt; interpretations of scientific literature in his writings and public
&gt;| &gt; statements on sexuality. (August 1996)
&gt;|
&gt;| One wonders how many times this needs to be posted before his supporters get
&gt;| the message. They guy's a quack, pure and simple.

Probably about 1,000,000 times for each bigot and 1,000,000 times for
each of their sock puppets. But then again nothing stops a bigot and
their hatred.
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#138: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-31 04:56:03 by Lars Eighner

In our last episode,
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the lovely and talented DTJ
broadcast on alt.politics.homosexuality:

&gt; On Mon, 30 May 2005 05:22:39 GMT, &quot;FDR&quot;
&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:_remove_spam_block_rzitka&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">_remove_spam_block_rzitka&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:


&gt;&gt;No. The human race has plenty of recessive genes that are harmful to life.
&gt;&gt;Birth defects are common. If your reasoning was correct, there would be no
&gt;&gt;birth defects because they would die out with the lives they have killed.

&gt; Come on people, did anyone here actually get out of grade school yet?

&gt; Recessive genes are not the issue. The issue is a gene that allegedly
&gt; causes behavior that prevents the gene from replicating in another
&gt; human being. If being gay were genetic, there would be zero chance
&gt; that a typical gay male could ever pass on his genes. There would of
&gt; course be the occasional heterosexual relationship, of those who are
&gt; bi, but gay, truly gay, men would not reproduce.

That doesn't mean a genetic basis of homosexuality, if there is
one, would not continue to exist. &quot;One gene, one trait&quot; was
already threadbare when I was in school, and it on the ashheap
today. The old dominent-recessive paradigm works for blue eyes
and wrinkled seed coatings -- just as Newtonian mechanics works
pretty well at the planetary level.

As for &quot;truly gay&quot;: it means really and truly prefers sexual
relations with a person of the same sex. It doesn't mean
sterile. It is a *preference.* A person can be gay a goose and
still have biological children - and historically that is what
happened.

&gt; Downs Syndrome, Cystic Fibrosis and other genetic diseases do not
&gt; prevent reproduction. Hopefully you can at least imagine the
&gt; conclusion.

&gt; Lastly, gays claim they are almost 50% of the population.

Bullshit.

&gt; In fact they are less than 5%. However, either value is
&gt; significantly high for a &quot;recessive gene&quot; that prevents
&gt; reproduction with 100% certainty.

Being gay does not, and historically has not, prevented
reproduction with 100% certainty or anything near it. What is
more, it is clear that if there is a genetic basis for
homosexuality - or some kinds of homosexuality - it does fit the
old dominent-recessive paradigm. There is more to modern
genetics than you learned in 8th grade science.

&gt; Even genetic disorders that have a far lower effect on reproduction
&gt; are not seen in more than 0.5% of the population.


--
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terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country.&quot;
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#139: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-31 06:23:11 by John Shocked

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&gt; On Mon, 30 May 2005 05:22:39 GMT, &quot;FDR&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:_remove_spam_block_rzitka&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">_remove_spam_block_rzitka&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;No. The human race has plenty of recessive genes that are harmful to
life.
&gt; &gt;Birth defects are common. If your reasoning was correct, there would be
no
&gt; &gt;birth defects because they would die out with the lives they have killed.
&gt; Come on people, did anyone here actually get out of grade school yet?
&gt; Recessive genes are not the issue. The issue is a gene that allegedly
&gt; causes behavior that prevents the gene from replicating in another
&gt; human being. If being gay were genetic, there would be zero chance
&gt; that a typical gay male could ever pass on his genes. There would of
&gt; course be the occasional heterosexual relationship, of those who are
&gt; bi, but gay, truly gay, men would not reproduce.
&gt; Downs Syndrome, Cystic Fibrosis and other genetic diseases do not
&gt; prevent reproduction. Hopefully you can at least imagine the
&gt; conclusion.
&gt; Lastly, gays claim they are almost 50% of the population. In fact
&gt; they are less than 5%. However, either value is significantly high

More like 1-2%.

&gt; for a &quot;recessive gene&quot; that prevents reproduction with 100% certainty.
&gt; Even genetic disorders that have a far lower effect on reproduction
&gt; are not seen in more than 0.5% of the population.

This issue again emanates from this huge fraud Hollywood Homosexuals
were able to perpetrate in the 1980's that Civil Rights applied to
engaging in the act of Sodomy.
Homosexuals sought through these ridiculous claims about genetic origin
of their behavior choice to claim that 'they were born that way'
like black people are born black, women born women, and thereby
gain governmental protections under laws like the
US Constitution 14th Amendment.
Back then, anyone who opposed this fraud was attacked as if they were
a reactionary racist, because of this huge fraud.

However, guys like Cameron were telling the truth that Homosexuality
is Learned Behavior and the fact that it is learned is why Hollywood
Homosexuals want to target your kids while they are young, when they
are easiest to indoctrinate, by pumping this crap into their favorite
science fiction show.

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Homosexual Urban Legends -- The Series...

Homosexuals claim that &quot;heterosexuals&quot; molest most children but statistics
show that homosexuals molest at far higher rates than do heterosexuals.
Rev. Paul Shanley, a retired Catholic priest was arrested on May 4, 2002 in
San Diego on three counts of child rape. Shanley had a history of molesting
boys that went back to 1967. He was at the founding meeting of the North
American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) and while in San Diego
operated a bed &amp; breakfast for homosexuals in Palm Springs. Shanley
has openly called for &quot;man-boy&quot; love.


David Carlton Nurmi, was arrested in Florida on April 26, 2002, for
possession of child pornography and for molesting a 15-year-old boy.


Geoffrey Cornish, a well-respected Solana Beach, California therapist was
sentenced to 23 years in prison in September, 2001 for sexually molesting
boys who came to him for therapy. Cornish, who is HIV-positive, was also a
coach for the Torrey Pines High School surf team. Cornish told police he had
been molested himself by a Boy Scout leader for three years when he was
living in England.


James Edward Sanders, a homosexual child molester, was arrested in New
Mexico in December, 2001 for sexually abusing a 7-year-old boy. Police also
discovered child pornography in Sanders' home.


Christopher Reardon, a homosexual, former youth minister, and Boy Scout
leader was sentenced to 40-50 years in prison in the Summer of 2001 for
raping, molesting, and disseminating pornography to 29 boys under his care.
These are only a few of the homosexual child molestation cases to hit the
news during 2001-02. Virtually every week, newspapers detail more cases
involving homosexuals who have sexually assaulted children under their care.
New York Post Exposes High Rate Of Teacher/Student Molestations
In a story not widely publicized in the mainstream press, the New York Post
published a story in its July 30, 2001 edition about the secret epidemic of
homosexual child abuse cases that go unreported in New York City's public
schools.

The report, &quot;Secret Shame Of Our Schools: Sexual Abuse Of Students Runs
Rampant,&quot; by Douglas Montero, is the result of an analysis of 117 cases of
sexual abuse between January 1999 and June 2001. Sixty percent of those
accused of sexual abuse were transferred to desk jobs inside the school
district. Forty percent of those transferred suspects were repeat sex
offenders.

The report noted that out of the 117 cases, 212 children were victims. In
45% of the cases, the sex offender attacked more than one student. In nearly
16% of the cases, school officials delayed or tried to cover up the sexual
molestations. The average victim is a 15-year-old girl and 75% of the
victims were girls. According to the report, &quot;Nearly 20 percent of the
offenders are homosexuals and in most of these cases, the attack led to a
sexual relationship with the stu- dent.&quot; The report also discovered that the
Board of Education investigated another 347 substantiated sex abuse cases
between January 2000 and July 20, 2001. Adding the 117 cases with the 327,
it appears that at least one child is sexually abused each day by a school
employee-and 20% of these molestations against children are done by
homosexuals!

Homosexuals Molest Children At A Far Higher Rate Than Heterosexuals
Homosexuals account for only 1-2% of our population based on current
surveys. The National Opinion Research Center in 1992 found that 2.8% of men
and 1.4% of women identified themselves as &quot;homosexual&quot; or &quot;bisexual. A 1995
survey of 18-49-year-old men published by the Journal of Sex Research
indicated that 2.6% of them had engaged in homosexual sex within the prior
12 months; 4% had had homosexual sex within the past five years. In other
words, at least 98-99% of our population is heterosexual in orientation.
Homosexual activists routinely claim that most child molesters are
&quot;heterosexual&quot; males, thus shifting the focus away from their own very high
rates of molestation. Since 98-99% of the population is heterosexual, it is
technically correct to say that most molestations are done by heterosexuals.
However, statistics indicate that homosexuals pose a far more serious threat
to children than do heterosexuals.
For example: In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a
ten-state study of sex abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199
cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14 female
teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homosexual male
teachers had molested boys and four female homosexual teachers had molested
girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved
homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the
population.

Dr. Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes &amp; Consequences, describes
the research done by Dr. Gene Abel. This researcher compared the molestation
rates of self-confessed homosexual and heterosexual child molesters. In a
sample of 153 homosexual molesters, they confessed to a total of 22,981
molestations. This is equivalent to 150 children per molester. Self-admitted
heterosexual molesters admitted to 4,435 molestations. This comes to 19.8
victims per molester. Dr. Abel concluded that homosexuals &quot;sexually molest
young boys at an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than
the molestation of girls.&quot;

This high rate of molestations by homosexuals is consistent with other
studies conducted during the past several decades. Here are just a few
studies that show homosexuals molesting children at epidemic rates:
The Los Angeles Times conducted a survey in 1985 of 2,628 adults across the
U.S. Of those, 27% of the women and 16% of the men had been sexually
molested. Seven percent of the girls and 93% of the men had been molested by
adults of the same sex. This means that 40% of child molestations were by
homosexuals. (Los Angeles Times, August 25-6, 1985)
In 1984, a Vermont survey of 161 adolescents who were sex offenders found
that 35 of them were homosexuals (22%). (Wasserman, J., &quot;Adolescent Sex
Offenders-Vermont, 1984&quot; Journal American Medical Association, 1986;
255:181-2)

In 1991, of the 100 child molesters at the Massachusetts Treatment Center
for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third were
bisexual, and a third were homosexual. (Dr. Raymond Knight, &quot;Differential
Prevalence of Personality Disorders in Rapists and Child Molesters,&quot; Eastern
Psychological Association Conference, New York, April 12, 1991)
Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clark Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto
reviewed two studies on child molesters and calculated that 34% and 32% of
the sex offenders were homosexual. In cases these doctors had handled, 36%
of the molesters were homosexuals. (Freund, K. &quot;Pedophilia and
Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality,&quot; Journal of Sex &amp; Marital Therapy, 1984;
10:193-200)

From these studies and many more, it is evident that homosexuals molest
children at a far greater rate than do their heterosexual counterparts.
While they comprise only 1-2% of the population, they are responsible for
upwards of a third or more of all sexual molestations of children.
Exposing The Homosexual/Pedophile Link
Homosexuals seldom openly admit that they want to sexually assault children,
but their literature and their actions tell another story. In the January
1-8, 2001 issue of The Weekly Standard, author Mary Eberstadt exposed the
clear link between homosexual activism and the growing North-American Man-
Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) movement. Writing in &quot;'Pedophilia Chic'
Reconsidered: The taboo against sex with children continues to erode,&quot;
Eberstadt notes:

The reason why the public is being urged to reconsider boy pedophilia is
that this 'question,' settled though it may be in the opinions and laws of
the rest of the country, is demonstrably not yet settled within certain
parts of the gay rights movement. The more that movement has entered the
mainstream, the more this 'question' has bubbled forth from that previously
distant realm in the public square.

Eberstadt notes that the book, Male Inter-Generational Intimacy: Historical,
Socio-Psychological, and Legal Perspectives edited by pedophile Edward
Brongersma is currently available in the &quot;gay/lesbian&quot; sections of
bookstores like Borders. This book, which openly promotes pedophilia, was
first published in the Journal of Homosexuality in 1990. The Journal is
edited by John DeCecco, a psychologist at San Francisco State University.
DeCecco is a board member of the Dutch pedophile journal, Paidika.
The homosexual magazine Guide published a pro-pedophile editorial in its
July, 1995 issue. In referring to pedophiles as &quot;prophets&quot; of sexual
freedom, the Guide editorialist wrote: &quot;We must listen to our prophets.
Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that
sex is good, including children's sexuality. . . . Surrounded by pious
moralists with deadening anti-sexual rules, we must be shameless
rulebreakers, demonstrating our allegiance to a higher concept of love. We
must do it for the children's sake.&quot;

Parents are correct to be concerned about homosexuals sexually assaulting
their children. The Boy Scouts of America, for example, is right to prohibit
homosexuals from membership or leadership positions. It is evident from the
statistical evidence and news reports of child molestation cases, that
homosexuals pose a clear and present danger to children. Our laws and social
policies should protect children, not cater to the whims and sexual desires
of sexual predators. We must oppose homosexual activism &quot;for the children's
sake.&quot;
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#140: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-31 06:38:12 by JTEM

&quot;John Shocked&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote

&gt; More like 1-2%.

In one of your wet dreams, sure, but not in reality.

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Posted on 2005-05-31 07:15:47 by No One

&quot;John Shocked&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; writes:

&gt; &quot;DTJ&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:none&#64;nowhere.com" target="_blank">none&#64;nowhere.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt; This issue again emanates from this huge fraud Hollywood Homosexuals
&gt; were able to perpetrate in the 1980's that Civil Rights applied to
&gt; engaging in the act of Sodomy.

I thought &quot;Hollywood Homosexuals&quot; all lived in West Hollywood and
spent their time at circuit parties or similar venues and had no time
for politics. At least, that's what you'd assume from the &quot;gay
propaganda&quot; being promoted in films like _The Circuit_, described in

&lt;<a href="http://www.geocities.com/~polfilms/circuit.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/~polfilms/circuit.html</a>&gt;.

or _The Broken Hearts Club_, described in

&lt;<a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0222850/plotsummary" target="_blank">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0222850/plotsummary</a>&gt;.

or even _Latter Days_ (see the trailer at

&lt;<a href="http://www.latterdaysmovie.com/trailers/LatterDays_large.wmv" target="_blank"> http://www.latterdaysmovie.com/trailers/LatterDays_large.wmv</a>&gt;
or &lt;<a href="http://www.latterdaysthemovie.com/trailers/LatterDays_Biggest.mov" target="_blank"> http://www.latterdaysthemovie.com/trailers/LatterDays_Bigges t.mov</a>&gt;

for a Windows Media File or Quicktime respectively). _Latter Days_ is
more of a love story, where a shallow guy who parties all the time
really falls in love and realizes that he wants more out of life. That
he is gay is kind of incidental (although it forms the basis for a
tragedy his boyfriend goes through due to a homophobic family and
religious intolerance.)

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Posted on 2005-05-31 09:27:35 by Hecubus

&quot;John Shocked&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in news:UERme.1544$Pp.533
@fed1read01:

&gt; However, guys like Cameron were telling the truth that Homosexuality
&gt; is Learned Behavior

I couldn;t help but notice that, while you had plenty of time to respond
to many messages, you completely ignored mine, which pointed out the
errors in your understanding of how genetics works, and that even
genetic disorders that render the afflicted person sterile still exist,
which proves that people with certain genetic conditions do not have to
directly reproduce in order for the genetic code to be tranfererred and
perpetuated.

This knocks a hole in your &quot;Homosexuality cannot be genetic because
homosexuals don't directly reproduce&quot; argument, and demonstrates that
homosexuality CAN be and probably is genetic, in other words, most gay
people ARE born gay and it is not a learned behavior.

Your type always collapses under the weight of scientific fact.

Typical.

--
Rick

Visit the Entropy Productions homepage at
<a href="http://www.kringlecityconspiracy.com/entropy.htm" target="_blank">http://www.kringlecityconspiracy.com/entropy.htm</a>

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#143: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-31 09:51:04 by John Shocked

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&gt; &quot;John Shocked&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote
&gt; &gt; More like 1-2%.
&gt; In one of your wet dreams, sure, but not in reality.

Those are the numbers that the following document quotes.
They just happen to be a wealthy 1-2% of the population,
and being an aggressive group of people, they have used their
money to buy up huge amounts of the media to sell you and your
Son on the idea that Sodomy is ok.

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===========================================
This issue again emanates from this huge fraud Hollywood Homosexuals
were able to perpetrate in the 1980's that Civil Rights applied to
engaging in the act of Sodomy.
Homosexuals sought through these ridiculous claims about genetic origin
of their behavior choice to claim that 'they were born that way'
like black people are born black, women born women, and thereby
gain governmental protections under laws like the
US Constitution 14th Amendment.
Back then, anyone who opposed this fraud was attacked as if they were
a reactionary racist, because of this huge fraud.

However, guys like Cameron were telling the truth that Homosexuality
is Learned Behavior and the fact that it is learned is why Hollywood
Homosexuals want to target your kids while they are young, when they
are easiest to indoctrinate, by pumping this crap into their favorite
science fiction show.

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<a href="http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/one.php" target="_blank">http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/one.php</a>
=============================================

Homosexual Urban Legends -- The Series...

Homosexuals claim that &quot;heterosexuals&quot; molest most children but statistics
show that homosexuals molest at far higher rates than do heterosexuals.
Rev. Paul Shanley, a retired Catholic priest was arrested on May 4, 2002 in
San Diego on three counts of child rape. Shanley had a history of molesting
boys that went back to 1967. He was at the founding meeting of the North
American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) and while in San Diego
operated a bed &amp; breakfast for homosexuals in Palm Springs. Shanley
has openly called for &quot;man-boy&quot; love.


David Carlton Nurmi, was arrested in Florida on April 26, 2002, for
possession of child pornography and for molesting a 15-year-old boy.


Geoffrey Cornish, a well-respected Solana Beach, California therapist was
sentenced to 23 years in prison in September, 2001 for sexually molesting
boys who came to him for therapy. Cornish, who is HIV-positive, was also a
coach for the Torrey Pines High School surf team. Cornish told police he had
been molested himself by a Boy Scout leader for three years when he was
living in England.


James Edward Sanders, a homosexual child molester, was arrested in New
Mexico in December, 2001 for sexually abusing a 7-year-old boy. Police also
discovered child pornography in Sanders' home.


Christopher Reardon, a homosexual, former youth minister, and Boy Scout
leader was sentenced to 40-50 years in prison in the Summer of 2001 for
raping, molesting, and disseminating pornography to 29 boys under his care.
These are only a few of the homosexual child molestation cases to hit the
news during 2001-02. Virtually every week, newspapers detail more cases
involving homosexuals who have sexually assaulted children under their care.
New York Post Exposes High Rate Of Teacher/Student Molestations
In a story not widely publicized in the mainstream press, the New York Post
published a story in its July 30, 2001 edition about the secret epidemic of
homosexual child abuse cases that go unreported in New York City's public
schools.

The report, &quot;Secret Shame Of Our Schools: Sexual Abuse Of Students Runs
Rampant,&quot; by Douglas Montero, is the result of an analysis of 117 cases of
sexual abuse between January 1999 and June 2001. Sixty percent of those
accused of sexual abuse were transferred to desk jobs inside the school
district. Forty percent of those transferred suspects were repeat sex
offenders.

The report noted that out of the 117 cases, 212 children were victims. In
45% of the cases, the sex offender attacked more than one student. In nearly
16% of the cases, school officials delayed or tried to cover up the sexual
molestations. The average victim is a 15-year-old girl and 75% of the
victims were girls. According to the report, &quot;Nearly 20 percent of the
offenders are homosexuals and in most of these cases, the attack led to a
sexual relationship with the stu- dent.&quot; The report also discovered that the
Board of Education investigated another 347 substantiated sex abuse cases
between January 2000 and July 20, 2001. Adding the 117 cases with the 327,
it appears that at least one child is sexually abused each day by a school
employee-and 20% of these molestations against children are done by
homosexuals!

Homosexuals Molest Children At A Far Higher Rate Than Heterosexuals
Homosexuals account for only 1-2% of our population based on current
surveys. The National Opinion Research Center in 1992 found that 2.8% of men
and 1.4% of women identified themselves as &quot;homosexual&quot; or &quot;bisexual. A 1995
survey of 18-49-year-old men published by the Journal of Sex Research
indicated that 2.6% of them had engaged in homosexual sex within the prior
12 months; 4% had had homosexual sex within the past five years. In other
words, at least 98-99% of our population is heterosexual in orientation.
Homosexual activists routinely claim that most child molesters are
&quot;heterosexual&quot; males, thus shifting the focus away from their own very high
rates of molestation. Since 98-99% of the population is heterosexual, it is
technically correct to say that most molestations are done by heterosexuals.
However, statistics indicate that homosexuals pose a far more serious threat
to children than do heterosexuals.
For example: In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a
ten-state study of sex abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199
cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14 female
teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homosexual male
teachers had molested boys and four female homosexual teachers had molested
girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved
homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the
population.

Dr. Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes &amp; Consequences, describes
the research done by Dr. Gene Abel. This researcher compared the molestation
rates of self-confessed homosexual and heterosexual child molesters. In a
sample of 153 homosexual molesters, they confessed to a total of 22,981
molestations. This is equivalent to 150 children per molester. Self-admitted
heterosexual molesters admitted to 4,435 molestations. This comes to 19.8
victims per molester. Dr. Abel concluded that homosexuals &quot;sexually molest
young boys at an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than
the molestation of girls.&quot;

This high rate of molestations by homosexuals is consistent with other
studies conducted during the past several decades. Here are just a few
studies that show homosexuals molesting children at epidemic rates:
The Los Angeles Times conducted a survey in 1985 of 2,628 adults across the
U.S. Of those, 27% of the women and 16% of the men had been sexually
molested. Seven percent of the girls and 93% of the men had been molested by
adults of the same sex. This means that 40% of child molestations were by
homosexuals. (Los Angeles Times, August 25-6, 1985)
In 1984, a Vermont survey of 161 adolescents who were sex offenders found
that 35 of them were homosexuals (22%). (Wasserman, J., &quot;Adolescent Sex
Offenders-Vermont, 1984&quot; Journal American Medical Association, 1986;
255:181-2)

In 1991, of the 100 child molesters at the Massachusetts Treatment Center
for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third were
bisexual, and a third were homosexual. (Dr. Raymond Knight, &quot;Differential
Prevalence of Personality Disorders in Rapists and Child Molesters,&quot; Eastern
Psychological Association Conference, New York, April 12, 1991)
Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clark Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto
reviewed two studies on child molesters and calculated that 34% and 32% of
the sex offenders were homosexual. In cases these doctors had handled, 36%
of the molesters were homosexuals. (Freund, K. &quot;Pedophilia and
Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality,&quot; Journal of Sex &amp; Marital Therapy, 1984;
10:193-200)

From these studies and many more, it is evident that homosexuals molest
children at a far greater rate than do their heterosexual counterparts.
While they comprise only 1-2% of the population, they are responsible for
upwards of a third or more of all sexual molestations of children.
Exposing The Homosexual/Pedophile Link
Homosexuals seldom openly admit that they want to sexually assault children,
but their literature and their actions tell another story. In the January
1-8, 2001 issue of The Weekly Standard, author Mary Eberstadt exposed the
clear link between homosexual activism and the growing North-American Man-
Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) movement. Writing in &quot;'Pedophilia Chic'
Reconsidered: The taboo against sex with children continues to erode,&quot;
Eberstadt notes:

The reason why the public is being urged to reconsider boy pedophilia is
that this 'question,' settled though it may be in the opinions and laws of
the rest of the country, is demonstrably not yet settled within certain
parts of the gay rights movement. The more that movement has entered the
mainstream, the more this 'question' has bubbled forth from that previously
distant realm in the public square.

Eberstadt notes that the book, Male Inter-Generational Intimacy: Historical,
Socio-Psychological, and Legal Perspectives edited by pedophile Edward
Brongersma is currently available in the &quot;gay/lesbian&quot; sections of
bookstores like Borders. This book, which openly promotes pedophilia, was
first published in the Journal of Homosexuality in 1990. The Journal is
edited by John DeCecco, a psychologist at San Francisco State University.
DeCecco is a board member of the Dutch pedophile journal, Paidika.
The homosexual magazine Guide published a pro-pedophile editorial in its
July, 1995 issue. In referring to pedophiles as &quot;prophets&quot; of sexual
freedom, the Guide editorialist wrote: &quot;We must listen to our prophets.
Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that
sex is good, including children's sexuality. . . . Surrounded by pious
moralists with deadening anti-sexual rules, we must be shameless
rulebreakers, demonstrating our allegiance to a higher concept of love. We
must do it for the children's sake.&quot;

Parents are correct to be concerned about homosexuals sexually assaulting
their children. The Boy Scouts of America, for example, is right to prohibit
homosexuals from membership or leadership positions. It is evident from the
statistical evidence and news reports of child molestation cases, that
homosexuals pose a clear and present danger to children. Our laws and social
policies should protect children, not cater to the whims and sexual desires
of sexual predators. We must oppose homosexual activism &quot;for the children's
sake.&quot;
=========================================

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#144: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-31 09:55:12 by John Shocked

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&gt; &quot;John Shocked&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; writes:
&gt; &gt; &quot;DTJ&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:none&#64;nowhere.com" target="_blank">none&#64;nowhere.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; This issue again emanates from this huge fraud Hollywood Homosexuals
&gt; &gt; were able to perpetrate in the 1980's that Civil Rights applied to
&gt; &gt; engaging in the act of Sodomy.
&gt; I thought &quot;Hollywood Homosexuals&quot; all lived in West Hollywood and
&gt; spent their time at circuit parties or similar venues and had no time
&gt; for politics. At least, that's what you'd assume from the &quot;gay
&gt; propaganda&quot; being promoted in films like _The Circuit_, described in
&gt; &lt;<a href="http://www.geocities.com/~polfilms/circuit.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/~polfilms/circuit.html</a>&gt;.
&gt; or _The Broken Hearts Club_, described in
&gt; &lt;<a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0222850/plotsummary" target="_blank">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0222850/plotsummary</a>&gt;.
&gt; or even _Latter Days_ (see the trailer at
&gt; &lt;<a href="http://www.latterdaysmovie.com/trailers/LatterDays_large.wmv" target="_blank"> http://www.latterdaysmovie.com/trailers/LatterDays_large.wmv</a>&gt;
&gt; or &lt;<a href="http://www.latterdaysthemovie.com/trailers/LatterDays_Biggest.mov" target="_blank"> http://www.latterdaysthemovie.com/trailers/LatterDays_Bigges t.mov</a>&gt;
&gt; for a Windows Media File or Quicktime respectively). _Latter Days_ is
&gt; more of a love story, where a shallow guy who parties all the time
&gt; really falls in love and realizes that he wants more out of life. That
&gt; he is gay is kind of incidental (although it forms the basis for a
&gt; tragedy his boyfriend goes through due to a homophobic family and
&gt; religious intolerance.)

No way, they venture out to other media hotspots as New York City
and also to Washington, D.C to place their cash bribes in the pocket
of your Congressman and Senator to sell Love for Sodomy and
Hate for Arabs/Moslems.
In Washington, DC, this group of people are known as
Neo-Conservatives, or Neocons.

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#145: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-31 10:06:24 by John Shocked

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&gt; &quot;John Shocked&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in news:UERme.1544$Pp.533
&gt; @fed1read01:
&gt; &gt; However, guys like Cameron were telling the truth that Homosexuality
&gt; &gt; is Learned Behavior
&gt; I couldn't help but notice that, while you had plenty of time to respond
&gt; to many messages, you completely ignored mine, which pointed out the
&gt; errors in your understanding of how genetics works, and that even

Where is this message ? Maybe I missed it.
I do have other things to do obviously.

&gt; genetic disorders that render the afflicted person sterile still exist,

Are you saying that such people are sterile at birth 100% of the time ?
Where is the documentation of this condition and URL ?

&gt; which proves that people with certain genetic conditions do not have to
&gt; directly reproduce in order for the genetic code to be tranfererred and
&gt; perpetuated.
&gt;
&gt; This knocks a hole in your &quot;Homosexuality cannot be genetic because
&gt; homosexuals don't directly reproduce&quot; argument, and demonstrates that
&gt; homosexuality CAN be and probably is genetic, in other words, most gay
&gt; people ARE born gay and it is not a learned behavior.
&gt; Your type always collapses under the weight of scientific fact.
&gt; Typical.
&gt; Rick

Where is the proof of this ? And what is the name of this condition
and gene ?

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#146: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-31 10:36:27 by Clawhound

On Mon, 30 May 2005 05:22:39 GMT, &quot;FDR&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:_remove_spam_block_rzitka&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">_remove_spam_block_rzitka&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:


&gt;No. The human race has plenty of recessive genes that are harmful to life.
&gt;Birth defects are common. If your reasoning was correct, there would be no
&gt;birth defects because they would die out with the lives they have killed.

Come on people, did anyone here actually get out of grade school yet?

Recessive genes are not the issue. The issue is a gene that allegedly
causes behavior that prevents the gene from replicating in another
human being. If being gay were genetic, there would be zero chance
that a typical gay male could ever pass on his genes. There would of
course be the occasional heterosexual relationship, of those who are
bi, but gay, truly gay, men would not reproduce.

Downs Syndrome, Cystic Fibrosis and other genetic diseases do not
prevent reproduction. Hopefully you can at least imagine the
conclusion.

Lastly, gays claim they are almost 50% of the population. In fact
they are less than 5%. However, either value is significantly high
for a &quot;recessive gene&quot; that prevents reproduction with 100% certainty.
Even genetic disorders that have a far lower effect on reproduction
are not seen in more than 0.5% of the population.

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Posted on 2005-05-31 10:36:27 by Clawhound

On Mon, 30 May 2005 00:15:10 -0500, Lars Eighner &lt;<a href="mailto:eighner&#64;io.com" target="_blank">eighner&#64;io.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;&gt; 3) Older homosexuals often approach the young
&gt;
&gt;Meaningless without a comparison to the numbers of
&gt;young people whose first heterosexual encounters were
&gt;initiated by an older person.

The statement shows how ignorant you are of true science. A correct
control group would be young men who were not approached by gay men.
Your &quot;control&quot; is similar to the pseudo science that gave us global
warming and el nino.

Snip of the remainder of lars idiocy...

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#148: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-31 12:34:29 by Jim Phillips

On Tue, 31 May 2005, John Shocked wrote:

&gt; &quot;JTEM&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gymraven&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">gymraven&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &gt; &quot;John Shocked&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote
&gt; &gt; &gt; More like 1-2%.
&gt; &gt; In one of your wet dreams, sure, but not in reality.
&gt;
&gt; Those are the numbers that the following document quotes.
&gt; They just happen to be a wealthy 1-2% of the population,
&gt; and being an aggressive group of people, they have used their
&gt; money to buy up huge amounts of the media to sell you and your
&gt; Son on the idea that Sodomy is ok.
&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; ===========================================
&gt; This issue again emanates from this huge fraud Hollywood Homosexuals
&gt; were able to perpetrate in the 1980's that Civil Rights applied to
&gt; engaging in the act of Sodomy.

How is consensual sex between adults *not* a civil right???

mega-snip

--
Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
&quot;The only reason my wife and I got married in the first place was because
it was something gays couldn't do. Our wedding was conceived entirely as a
giant homosexual taunt. But now the vows I made to my wife seem as shallow
and empty as the vows I made to my three previous wives.&quot;
-- Stephen Colbert, Senior Moral Authority, &quot;The Daily Show&quot;

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Posted on 2005-05-31 13:19:57 by Lars Eighner

In our last episode,
&lt;NHUme.1564$<a href="mailto:Pp.1024&#64;fed1read01" target="_blank">Pp.1024&#64;fed1read01</a>&gt;,
the lovely and talented John Shocked
broadcast on alt.politics.homosexuality:

&gt; &quot;JTEM&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gymraven&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">gymraven&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; &quot;John Shocked&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote
&gt;&gt; &gt; More like 1-2%.
&gt;&gt; In one of your wet dreams, sure, but not in reality.

&gt; Those are the numbers that the following document quotes.
&gt; They just happen to be a wealthy 1-2% of the population,
&gt; and being an aggressive group of people, they have used their
&gt; money to buy up huge amounts of the media to sell you and your
&gt; Son on the idea that Sodomy is ok.

Most of the media is in public companies, which means that
the identities of stockholders with a substantial interest
are matters of public record.

Put up or shut up. Name the names of these people who have
&quot;huge amounts of the media.&quot; Try starting with NBC. Which
major shareholders of General Electric are gay? What percentage
of the stock do they hold? Disney owns ABC. Who are the major
gay shareholders? Viacom?

For that matter, can show that even one major studio or
satellite channel is substantially gay-owned? List the names.

Just like Joe McCarthy, all you have got in your briefcase is a
bottle of booze. You can't tell us the names because you are
talking through your hat. You have no information whatsoever
concerning the identities of the people who own and run any
productions studio or tv channel - broadcast or cable/satellite.

&gt; This issue again emanates from this huge fraud Hollywood Homosexuals

The truth of the matter is: Hollywood always has been and still
is very homophobic. Of course there always have been some gay
actors, writers, and other &quot;creative&quot; types. You couldn't name
a gay producer or money man if your life depended on it.

&gt; were able to perpetrate in the 1980's that Civil Rights applied to
&gt; engaging in the act of Sodomy.

Bullshit, and besides the point, since heterosexual sodomy
occurs much more often than homosexual sodomy.

&gt; Homosexuals sought through these ridiculous claims about genetic origin
&gt; of their behavior choice to claim that 'they were born that way'
&gt; like black people are born black, women born women, and thereby
&gt; gain governmental protections under laws like the
&gt; US Constitution 14th Amendment.

The 14th Amendment provides for the equal protections of the
laws for US citizens regardless of birth.

&gt; Back then, anyone who opposed this fraud was attacked as if they were
&gt; a reactionary racist, because of this huge fraud.

The truth is you are big fraud. You cannot come up with the
&quot;cause&quot; of homosexuality any more than anyone else. You have
your theory, they have theirs, and it really doesn't make much
difference because the right to choose one's most intimate
associations is the most fundamental of human liberties -
without which all other rights and liberties are next to
worthless.

People have a right to choose homosexuality, whether they do so
as a conscious choice, whether they do so because they are
genetical predisposed to do so, whether all do so for the same
reason or for no reason. You right to choose in the polling
booth does not depend upon whether you make a considered
judgment, toss a coin, or just vote the way your parents did.
That's what a fundamental human right is: you don't have to
answer to anyone else for the way you exercise it.

&gt; However, guys like Cameron were telling the truth that Homosexuality
&gt; is Learned Behavior

Cameron is a fraud, and there is no basis in fact to support the
idea that sexuality is learned behavior. I have never met a
heterosexual who could tell me when he decided to become
straight, when he decided to be attracted to the opposite sex,
or how he learned to be attracted to the opposite sex.

&gt; and the fact that it is learned is why Hollywood Homosexuals
&gt; want to target your kids while they are young, when they are
&gt; easiest to indoctrinate, by pumping this crap into their
&gt; favorite science fiction show.

So far &quot;this crap&quot; consist of your theory that one character in
one tv series might be supposed to be gay. If the people you
think are controlling the media are so powerful, why is it just
this one character on one series? Why aren't there more?


&gt; Homosexuals claim that &quot;heterosexuals&quot; molest most children but statistics
&gt; show that homosexuals molest at far higher rates than do heterosexuals.

No, they don't. Do you know what Reisman's Ph.D. is in?

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#150: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-31 15:06:11 by FDR

&quot;John Shocked&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; &quot;John Shocked&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; writes:
&gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;DTJ&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:none&#64;nowhere.com" target="_blank">none&#64;nowhere.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; &gt; This issue again emanates from this huge fraud Hollywood Homosexuals
&gt;&gt; &gt; were able to perpetrate in the 1980's that Civil Rights applied to
&gt;&gt; &gt; engaging in the act of Sodomy.
&gt;&gt; I thought &quot;Hollywood Homosexuals&quot; all lived in West Hollywood and
&gt;&gt; spent their time at circuit parties or similar venues and had no time
&gt;&gt; for politics. At least, that's what you'd assume from the &quot;gay
&gt;&gt; propaganda&quot; being promoted in films like _The Circuit_, described in
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="http://www.geocities.com/~polfilms/circuit.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/~polfilms/circuit.html</a>&gt;.
&gt;&gt; or _The Broken Hearts Club_, described in
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0222850/plotsummary" target="_blank">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0222850/plotsummary</a>&gt;.
&gt;&gt; or even _Latter Days_ (see the trailer at
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="http://www.latterdaysmovie.com/trailers/LatterDays_large.wmv" target="_blank"> http://www.latterdaysmovie.com/trailers/LatterDays_large.wmv</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt; or &lt;<a href="http://www.latterdaysthemovie.com/trailers/LatterDays_Biggest.mov" target="_blank"> http://www.latterdaysthemovie.com/trailers/LatterDays_Bigges t.mov</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt; for a Windows Media File or Quicktime respectively). _Latter Days_ is
&gt;&gt; more of a love story, where a shallow guy who parties all the time
&gt;&gt; really falls in love and realizes that he wants more out of life. That
&gt;&gt; he is gay is kind of incidental (although it forms the basis for a
&gt;&gt; tragedy his boyfriend goes through due to a homophobic family and
&gt;&gt; religious intolerance.)
&gt;
&gt; No way, they venture out to other media hotspots as New York City
&gt; and also to Washington, D.C to place their cash bribes in the pocket
&gt; of your Congressman and Senator to sell Love for Sodomy and
&gt; Hate for Arabs/Moslems.
&gt; In Washington, DC, this group of people are known as
&gt; Neo-Conservatives, or Neocons.


So which Congreesmen/Senators have been bribed?

&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt;

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#151: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-31 15:07:54 by FDR

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&gt;&gt; &quot;John Shocked&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in news:UERme.1544$Pp.533
&gt;&gt; @fed1read01:
&gt;&gt; &gt; However, guys like Cameron were telling the truth that Homosexuality
&gt;&gt; &gt; is Learned Behavior
&gt;&gt; I couldn't help but notice that, while you had plenty of time to respond
&gt;&gt; to many messages, you completely ignored mine, which pointed out the
&gt;&gt; errors in your understanding of how genetics works, and that even
&gt;
&gt; Where is this message ? Maybe I missed it.

You missed my questions too.

&gt; I do have other things to do obviously.

No, it's not obvious.

&gt;
&gt;&gt; genetic disorders that render the afflicted person sterile still exist,
&gt;
&gt; Are you saying that such people are sterile at birth 100% of the time ?
&gt; Where is the documentation of this condition and URL ?
&gt;
&gt;&gt; which proves that people with certain genetic conditions do not have to
&gt;&gt; directly reproduce in order for the genetic code to be tranfererred and
&gt;&gt; perpetuated.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; This knocks a hole in your &quot;Homosexuality cannot be genetic because
&gt;&gt; homosexuals don't directly reproduce&quot; argument, and demonstrates that
&gt;&gt; homosexuality CAN be and probably is genetic, in other words, most gay
&gt;&gt; people ARE born gay and it is not a learned behavior.
&gt;&gt; Your type always collapses under the weight of scientific fact.
&gt;&gt; Typical.
&gt;&gt; Rick
&gt;
&gt; Where is the proof of this ? And what is the name of this condition
&gt; and gene ?
&gt;
&gt; Politics
&gt;
&gt;

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#152: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-31 16:02:41 by Snake

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&gt; During these 6 weeks I have gone to the Bible and read parts of the story
&gt; of Sodom and Gomorrah, in which God kills all of the people in those
&gt; towns because they engaged in Sodomy. Thus the morality of the time
&gt; when the Bible and various other bible like documents were written
&gt; clearly barred Sodomy.

But then it CLEARLY bars **sleeping with your wife except for the specific
act of creating children**, bars wearing mixed fiber clothing, bars the
mixing of meat and dairy...

You don't seem very concerned about all those /other/ conditions and
restrictions, do you? You and your type pick and choose what you damn-well
please from a writing **not everyone believes in**, then re-interpret it to
your own wishes and expect everyone *else* to follow /your/ beliefs.

All the while trumpeting the cause of &quot;freedom of religion&quot; - YOUR freedom,
while /removing/ everyone else's to follow *their* beliefs as they see fit
by /forcing/ your beliefs on everyone as the &quot;only proper&quot; belief.

You hide in the shadow of Democracy to preach Theocratic Fascism - while
waving your flags proclaiming yourselves the &quot;only true&quot; democratic
believers.

Fascist traitors, all.

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#153: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-31 16:34:22 by JTEM

&quot;John Shocked&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jshocked&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">jshocked&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote

&gt; Those are the numbers that the following document quotes.

So no honest, scientific research, just hate-group propaganda.

How typical.

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#154: Re: Homosexual Intent of Scifi Channel for your Kids

Posted on 2005-05-31 16:52:50 by John Shocked

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&gt; &gt; During these 6 weeks I have gone to the Bible and read parts of the
story
&gt; &gt; of Sodom and Gomorrah, in which God kills all of the people in those
&gt; &gt; towns because they engaged in Sodomy. Thus the morality of the time
&gt; &gt; when the Bible and various other bible like documents were written
&gt; &gt; clearly barred Sodomy.
&gt; But then it CLEARLY bars **sleeping with your wife except for the specific
&gt; act of creating children**, bars wearing mixed fiber clothing, bars the
&gt; mixing of meat and dairy...

Mixing of meat and dairy is dangerous even today.
Much of these moral edicts really came out of saving lives
and continuing the species or community.
These needs and the basic morality to which they congealed
predated any established religion.

&gt; You don't seem very concerned about all those /other/ conditions and
&gt; restrictions, do you? You and your type pick and choose what you
damn-well
&gt; please from a writing **not everyone believes in**, then re-interpret it
to
&gt; your own wishes and expect everyone *else* to follow /your/ beliefs
&gt; All the while trumpeting the cause of &quot;freedom of religion&quot; - YOUR
freedom,
&gt; while /removing/ everyone else's to follow *their* beliefs as they see fit
&gt; by /forcing/ your beliefs on everyone as the &quot;only proper&quot; belief.
&gt; You hide in the shadow of Democracy to preach Theocratic Fascism - while
&gt; waving your flags proclaiming yourselves the