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#1: Biography

Posted on 2005-05-19 22:35:42 by mlh

Right, I'm just starting Barry Miles' book 'Frank Zappa'. Before I go
any further, is it any good or am I about to get into a real waste of
my time?

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#2: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-05-19 22:47:25 by Stu Mark

On 5/19/05 1:35 PM, in article <a href="mailto:93up8158ltrfln33ek8k2h68ku1dfd7cgg&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">93up8158ltrfln33ek8k2h68ku1dfd7cgg&#64;4ax.com</a>,
&quot;mlh&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:notonyour&#64;nelly.com" target="_blank">notonyour&#64;nelly.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; Right, I'm just starting Barry Miles' book 'Frank Zappa'. Before I go
&gt; any further, is it any good or am I about to get into a real waste of
&gt; my time?

I'm a rabid Zappa fan, so I read it because I want to read every Zappa book.
That said, the book was dissapointing. The writing was ok, but there were
many, many factual errors, and there were many times when Miles ventured an
opinion and was completely offbase.

If you can get it, I'd suggest you sink your teeth into Greg Russo's book
Cosmik Debris. Or wait for Charles' book to come out (my bet is that his
book will knock you over the head with its greatness)...

Stu
(who is just guessing)

NP: Sad Jane, Second Movement by Frank Zappa

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#3: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-05-19 22:54:49 by Frunobulax

I'd LOVE a book about Zappa that compared to the Barnes Beefheart book
or Smith's look at King Crimson: All the interviews with band members
and the twiddly bits about the recording process would be so much fun
to read about.

Pro'lly never see such a beast, though.

really and for true,

cae

NP: Psycho (part II) - Bi Kyo Ran

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#4: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-05-19 23:01:18 by Charles Ulrich

In article &lt;BEB24965.14811%<a href="mailto:stumark&#64;earthlink.net" target="_blank">stumark&#64;earthlink.net</a>&gt;,
Stu Mark &lt;<a href="mailto:stumark&#64;earthlink.net" target="_blank">stumark&#64;earthlink.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; On 5/19/05 1:35 PM, in article <a href="mailto:93up8158ltrfln33ek8k2h68ku1dfd7cgg&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">93up8158ltrfln33ek8k2h68ku1dfd7cgg&#64;4ax.com</a>,
&gt; &quot;mlh&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:notonyour&#64;nelly.com" target="_blank">notonyour&#64;nelly.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Right, I'm just starting Barry Miles' book 'Frank Zappa'. Before I go
&gt; &gt; any further, is it any good or am I about to get into a real waste of
&gt; &gt; my time?
&gt;
&gt; I'm a rabid Zappa fan, so I read it because I want to read every Zappa book.
&gt; That said, the book was dissapointing. The writing was ok, but there were
&gt; many, many factual errors, and there were many times when Miles ventured an
&gt; opinion and was completely offbase.
&gt;
&gt; If you can get it, I'd suggest you sink your teeth into Greg Russo's book
&gt; Cosmik Debris. Or wait for Charles' book to come out (my bet is that his
&gt; book will knock you over the head with its greatness)...

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

But if mlh is specifically looking for a biography, my book will not fit
the bill. It focuses on FZ's recorded works (and, to a lesser extent,
his concert tours) rather than his life.

I cast another vote for reading all the books and getting something
different out of each one.

--Charles

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#5: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-05-20 17:59:56 by louisguys

Hey Guys,

I just read that same book and he indeed made many factual errors,(he's
British), the most blatant was him saying that &quot;Studio Z&quot; in Cucamonga was
the studio where &quot;Wipe Out&quot; by the Safaris was recorded. Wrong. I'm sure
someone here can say where it really was recorded, but I have read in
several sources that it was where &quot;Pipeline&quot; by the &quot;Chanteys&quot; was recorded
there. I'm sure a lot of the more knowledgeable of this NG will back me up
on this. Also, he had Dweezle's original name wrong, accused Frank of always
depicting gay characters in his songs as being into S &amp; M, which got me
thinking ... and while I was reading the book, a TV show came on and lo and
behold there was Miles putting in his two cents on some travel show or
something on the History Channel about the sixties or seventies. And if you
ask THIS old rock musician, he is what we politely called a &quot;swish&quot;, which
would explain him giving shit to FZ about always depicting gays as into S &amp;
M, maybe he has a guilty conscious.

Anyway, there wasn't much new in the book and after so many mistakes it was
hard to believe the other parts without a reasonable doubt.I read it anyway
since it's an easy read, but read it with a bucket of salt, if you know what
I mean.

But what do you expect from someone who spells chili with two &quot;l&quot;s (chilli),
he needs to either hire or fire a proofreader, too.

Just my two cents,

Louis Didelot
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&gt;
&gt; &gt; Right, I'm just starting Barry Miles' book 'Frank Zappa'. Before I go
&gt; &gt; any further, is it any good or am I about to get into a real waste of
&gt; &gt; my time?
&gt;
&gt; Frank's auto-biography (The Real Frank Zappa Book) is a fast, fun read.
&gt; Not full of juicy tidbits, but it's nice to hear his own stories from
&gt; his voice. It's been a while since I read it, but I remember there
&gt; being some pretty hilarious stuff in there.
&gt;
&gt;

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#6: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-05-20 18:19:49 by donlope

louisguys wrote:
&gt;
&gt; I just read that same book and he indeed made many factual errors,(he's
&gt; British), the most blatant was him saying that &quot;Studio Z&quot; in Cucamonga was
&gt; the studio where &quot;Wipe Out&quot; by the Safaris was recorded. Wrong. I'm sure
&gt; someone here can say where it really was recorded, but I have read in
&gt; several sources that it was where &quot;Pipeline&quot; by the &quot;Chanteys&quot; was recorded
&gt; there.

He's right on that one. Both tunes were recorded there, though it was
still called Pal Recording Studio by that time.

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#7: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-05-20 18:29:06 by Biffy the Elephant Shrew

&gt;But what do you expect from someone who spells chili with two &quot;l&quot;s
(chilli)

A British accent.

Your pal,
Biffy the Elephant Shrew

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#8: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-05-20 18:31:54 by cvhooijdonk

louisguys wrote:
&gt; Hey Guys,
&gt;
&gt; Also, he had Dweezle's original name wrong, accused Frank of always
So do you.

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#9: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-05-20 19:52:30 by Charles Ulrich

In article &lt;0Qnje.2090$<a href="mailto:5Z1.1396&#64;newssvr30.news.prodigy.com" target="_blank">5Z1.1396&#64;newssvr30.news.prodigy.com</a>&gt;,
&quot;louisguys&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:louisguys&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">louisguys&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; But what do you expect from someone who spells chili with two &quot;l&quot;s (chilli),

and two &quot;i&quot;s...

--Charles

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#10: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-05-20 21:24:30 by unionman

Now then, no having a go at us Brits.

After all the best FZ biog came from the UK - Neil Slaven's 'Electric
Don Quixote'!!!!

Tony

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#11: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-05-20 22:30:55 by Magnus Delle

In the latest issue of Mojo, June 2005, the Chantays and their &quot;Pipeline&quot;
album is mentioned in the &quot;One Hit Wonders&quot; feature. The record is said to
be the first surf record to enter the British charts. However, nothing is
said about Studio Z or PAL, although this seems to be well documented in
other sources. Extract from the interview with Chantays´ guitarist Brian
Carman:
&quot;In 1962 during Summer vacation we travelled to Big Bear, California, to jam
at a club where one of our friends was appearing. We could not find the club
so asked around and found this outdoor stage where a record party was to
take place in Lake Arrowhead. We sat up our equipment near a refreshment
stand and before we knew it a large crowd formed, and we were happy to hear
that executives from the record industry were present. The band was offered
a recording session and Downey Records signed The Chantays.&quot;

The following on Paul Buff :
<a href="http://wiki.killuglyradio.com/index.php/Paul_Buff:" target="_blank">http://wiki.killuglyradio.com/index.php/Paul_Buff:</a> Inventor, engineer,
artist, composer, arranger and multi-instrumentalist, Buff was a key player
in an early turning point not only in FZ's career, but surf music in
general, and the nature of the recording industry itself. Paul Conrad Buff
grew up in Cucamonga. &lt;&lt;[snip] &gt;&gt; He worked with groups such as the Surfaris
(&quot;Wipe Out&quot;), The Chantays (&quot;Pipeline&quot;), and many others.

Anybody know about Downey Rec.?

M. Delle

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&gt; louisguys wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I just read that same book and he indeed made many factual errors,(he's
&gt; &gt; British), the most blatant was him saying that &quot;Studio Z&quot; in Cucamonga
was
&gt; &gt; the studio where &quot;Wipe Out&quot; by the Safaris was recorded. Wrong. I'm sure
&gt; &gt; someone here can say where it really was recorded, but I have read in
&gt; &gt; several sources that it was where &quot;Pipeline&quot; by the &quot;Chanteys&quot; was
recorded
&gt; &gt; there.
&gt;
&gt; He's right on that one. Both tunes were recorded there, though it was
&gt; still called Pal Recording Studio by that time.

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#12: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-05-21 00:16:06 by donlope

Magnus Delle wrote:
&gt; In the latest issue of Mojo, June 2005, the Chantays and their &quot;Pipeline&quot;
&gt; album is mentioned in the &quot;One Hit Wonders&quot; feature. The record is said to
&gt; be the first surf record to enter the British charts. However, nothing is
&gt; said about Studio Z or PAL, although this seems to be well documented in
&gt; other sources. Extract from the interview with Chantays´ guitarist Brian
&gt; Carman:
&gt; &quot;In 1962 during Summer vacation we travelled to Big Bear, California, to jam
&gt; at a club where one of our friends was appearing. We could not find the club
&gt; so asked around and found this outdoor stage where a record party was to
&gt; take place in Lake Arrowhead. We sat up our equipment near a refreshment
&gt; stand and before we knew it a large crowd formed, and we were happy to hear
&gt; that executives from the record industry were present. The band was offered
&gt; a recording session and Downey Records signed The Chantays.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; The following on Paul Buff :
&gt; <a href="http://wiki.killuglyradio.com/index.php/Paul_Buff:" target="_blank">http://wiki.killuglyradio.com/index.php/Paul_Buff:</a> Inventor, engineer,
&gt; artist, composer, arranger and multi-instrumentalist, Buff was a key player
&gt; in an early turning point not only in FZ's career, but surf music in
&gt; general, and the nature of the recording industry itself. Paul Conrad Buff
&gt; grew up in Cucamonga. &lt;&lt;[snip] &gt;&gt; He worked with groups such as the Surfaris
&gt; (&quot;Wipe Out&quot;), The Chantays (&quot;Pipeline&quot;), and many others.
&gt;
&gt; Anybody know about Downey Rec.?

This is from Paul Buff himself (from a conversation now available at the
&lt;<a href="http://www.united-mutations.com" target="_blank">http://www.united-mutations.com</a>&gt; site):

&quot;'Pipeline' by The Chantays was the subject of a big ripoff. Myself,
together with a San Bernardino disc jockey developed, arranged and
produced the original Chantays recording, only to see them take our work
to others (Downey Records??) where they rerecorded our work and stole
it. (As minors--their contract with us was not enforceable--we lost).
Similar things happened with 'Wipeout.'&quot;

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#13: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-06-18 08:56:44 by mlh

On Fri, 20 May 2005 15:59:56 GMT, &quot;louisguys&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:louisguys&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">louisguys&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;I just read that same book and he indeed made many factual errors,(he's
&gt;British)
As am I, which is perhaps why I don't understand the link between
factual errors and nationality.

&gt; the most blatant was him saying that &quot;Studio Z&quot; in Cucamonga was
&gt;the studio where &quot;Wipe Out&quot; by the Safaris was recorded.
Confession: if that's the biggest factual error then I'm absolutely
sure I don't care about such trivia.

&gt;ask THIS old rock musician, he is what we politely called a &quot;swish&quot;, which
&gt;would explain him giving shit to FZ about always depicting gays as into S &amp;
&gt;M, maybe he has a guilty conscious.
Erm, although frankly FZ was a bit homophobic and that's not actually
a good thing as such. Nevertheless, point taken.

&gt;But what do you expect from someone who spells chili with two &quot;l&quot;s (chilli),
That is the way the word is spelt over here in the UK.

Well, I've read the book, it was very interesting, I don't agree with
some of his conclusions and other things did interest me. I don't
suppose it was a bang-on accurate depiction of Frank's life but it was
interesting. In contrast, however, it was a better read than FZ's own
book which is a bit &quot;lite&quot; as I believe you spell it over there in The
Religious State.

I'll keep looking for other books and take them in the same way I take
all biographies: with a touch of salt.

Thanks to all for the advice.

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#14: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-06-18 08:56:45 by mlh

On Thu, 19 May 2005 20:47:25 GMT, Stu Mark &lt;<a href="mailto:stumark&#64;earthlink.net" target="_blank">stumark&#64;earthlink.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;If you can get it, I'd suggest you sink your teeth into Greg Russo's book
&gt;Cosmik Debris.
Thanks, I'll look out for it

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#15: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-06-18 10:29:48 by Sam Rouse

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:5md7b1120l6mb8giupc6lug4gqeeo876v8&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">5md7b1120l6mb8giupc6lug4gqeeo876v8&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;,
mlh &lt;<a href="mailto:notonyour&#64;nelly.com" target="_blank">notonyour&#64;nelly.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; &gt;But what do you expect from someone who spells chili with two &quot;l&quot;s (chilli),
&gt; That is the way the word is spelt over here in the UK.

Given the reverse geographical direction of etymology, is it a fair revenge for
humour/humor et al, or do you Brits just have a fetish for extra letters? ;)

- Sam (who for some subconscious psychological reason prefers &quot;humour&quot; but
abhors &quot;chilli&quot;)

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#16: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-06-18 15:51:33 by Steve Brooks

Sam Rouse wrote:
&gt; mlh wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; But what do you expect from someone who spells chili with two &quot;l&quot;s
&gt;&gt;&gt; (chilli),
&gt;&gt; That is the way the word is spelt over here in the UK.
&gt;
&gt; Given the reverse geographical direction of etymology, is it a fair
&gt; revenge for humour/humor et al, or do you Brits just have a fetish
&gt; for extra letters? ;)

ISTR over in the US you had a successful spelling reform movement which
means you have removed letters rather than us adding them. A jolly good idea
too. I wish it had happned here sometime before my birth.

--

SB

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#17: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-06-18 15:52:48 by Steve Brooks

mlh wrote:
&gt; &quot;louisguys&quot; wrote:

&lt;snip&gt;

&gt;&gt; ask THIS old rock musician, he is what we politely called a &quot;swish&quot;,
&gt;&gt; which would explain him giving shit to FZ about always depicting
&gt;&gt; gays as into S &amp; M, maybe he has a guilty conscious.

&gt; Erm, although frankly FZ was a bit homophobic and that's not actually
&gt; a good thing as such. Nevertheless, point taken.

Are you basing that just on his lyrics or do you have some other evidence?

--

SB

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#18: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-06-18 16:15:28 by pbuzby2002

mlh wrote:

&gt; &gt; the most blatant was him saying that &quot;Studio Z&quot; in Cucamonga was
&gt; &gt;the studio where &quot;Wipe Out&quot; by the Safaris was recorded.
&gt; Confession: if that's the biggest factual error then I'm absolutely
&gt; sure I don't care about such trivia.

IMO, misreporting the date of FZ's death takes the cake.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL

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#19: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-06-18 17:24:33 by Bill

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1119104128.705460.66910&#64;g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1119104128.705460.66910&#64;g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
<a href="mailto:pbuzby2002&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">pbuzby2002&#64;yahoo.com</a> wrote:

&gt; mlh wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; the most blatant was him saying that &quot;Studio Z&quot; in Cucamonga was
&gt; &gt; &gt;the studio where &quot;Wipe Out&quot; by the Safaris was recorded.
&gt; &gt; Confession: if that's the biggest factual error then I'm absolutely
&gt; &gt; sure I don't care about such trivia.
&gt;
&gt; IMO, misreporting the date of FZ's death takes the cake.
&gt;
&gt; Pat Buzby
&gt; Chicago, IL

I agree.

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#20: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-06-18 17:48:55 by computeruser

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&gt;
&gt;
&gt; mlh wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; the most blatant was him saying that &quot;Studio Z&quot; in Cucamonga was
&gt;&gt; &gt;the studio where &quot;Wipe Out&quot; by the Safaris was recorded.
&gt;&gt; Confession: if that's the biggest factual error then I'm absolutely
&gt;&gt; sure I don't care about such trivia.
&gt;
&gt; IMO, misreporting the date of FZ's death takes the cake.
&gt;
&gt; Pat Buzby
&gt; Chicago, IL

Agreed.

Back to the other error mentioned. I thought &quot;Wipe Out&quot; was recorded in the
Cucamonga studio during the time when Paul Buff managed it under the name;
&quot;Pal Studio&quot;. Not when the name was changed to &quot;Studio Z&quot; and the management
was Frank Zappa.

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#21: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-06-18 20:31:06 by pepe

Best thing about this book is the picture of Frank smoking a cigarette when
he is 11 yrs. old. Great pic. Pepe
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&gt; On Fri, 20 May 2005 15:59:56 GMT, &quot;louisguys&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:louisguys&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">louisguys&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;I just read that same book and he indeed made many factual errors,(he's
&gt; &gt;British)
&gt; As am I, which is perhaps why I don't understand the link between
&gt; factual errors and nationality.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; the most blatant was him saying that &quot;Studio Z&quot; in Cucamonga was
&gt; &gt;the studio where &quot;Wipe Out&quot; by the Safaris was recorded.
&gt; Confession: if that's the biggest factual error then I'm absolutely
&gt; sure I don't care about such trivia.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;ask THIS old rock musician, he is what we politely called a &quot;swish&quot;,
which
&gt; &gt;would explain him giving shit to FZ about always depicting gays as into S
&amp;
&gt; &gt;M, maybe he has a guilty conscious.
&gt; Erm, although frankly FZ was a bit homophobic and that's not actually
&gt; a good thing as such. Nevertheless, point taken.
&gt;
&gt; &gt;But what do you expect from someone who spells chili with two &quot;l&quot;s
(chilli),
&gt; That is the way the word is spelt over here in the UK.
&gt;
&gt; Well, I've read the book, it was very interesting, I don't agree with
&gt; some of his conclusions and other things did interest me. I don't
&gt; suppose it was a bang-on accurate depiction of Frank's life but it was
&gt; interesting. In contrast, however, it was a better read than FZ's own
&gt; book which is a bit &quot;lite&quot; as I believe you spell it over there in The
&gt; Religious State.
&gt;
&gt; I'll keep looking for other books and take them in the same way I take
&gt; all biographies: with a touch of salt.
&gt;
&gt; Thanks to all for the advice.
&gt;

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#22: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-06-19 05:02:31 by Biffy the Elephant Shrew

pepe wrote:

&gt;Best thing about this book is the picture of Frank smoking a cigarette when
&gt;he is 11 yrs. old. Great pic.

Would this be the same picture that appeared in Candy Zappa's book,
with FZ towering over his brothers and giving an odd, spread-fingered
wave?

Your pal,
Biffy the Elephant Shrew

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#23: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-06-19 05:59:03 by Charles Ulrich

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1119149996.839264.191250&#64;f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1119149996.839264.191250&#64;f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
&quot;Biffy the Elephant Shrew&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:biffyshrew&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">biffyshrew&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; pepe wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;Best thing about this book is the picture of Frank smoking a cigarette when
&gt; &gt;he is 11 yrs. old. Great pic.
&gt;
&gt; Would this be the same picture that appeared in Candy Zappa's book,
&gt; with FZ towering over his brothers and giving an odd, spread-fingered
&gt; wave?

That's the one. It's even credited &quot;(Patrice 'Candy' Zappa collection)&quot;.

--Charles

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#24: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-06-20 20:44:44 by pepe

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&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1119149996.839264.191250&#64;f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1119149996.839264.191250&#64;f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
&gt; &quot;Biffy the Elephant Shrew&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:biffyshrew&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">biffyshrew&#64;aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; pepe wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;Best thing about this book is the picture of Frank smoking a cigarette
when
&gt; &gt; &gt;he is 11 yrs. old. Great pic.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Would this be the same picture that appeared in Candy Zappa's book,
&gt; &gt; with FZ towering over his brothers and giving an odd, spread-fingered
&gt; &gt; wave?
&gt;
&gt; That's the one. It's even credited &quot;(Patrice 'Candy' Zappa collection)&quot;.
&gt;
&gt; --Charles Thanks Charles. Indeed, that is the pic. Pepe

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#25: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-06-21 10:47:54 by mlh

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 13:52:48 GMT, &quot;Steve Brooks&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:steveb&#64;postmaster.invalid" target="_blank">steveb&#64;postmaster.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Are you basing that just on his lyrics or do you have some other evidence?
Oh goodness, a pedant. I'm basing this opinion on his lyrics and
(IIRC0 his book. Mind you, I'm not too bothered about going into an
argument here. Frank Zappa may or may not have been homophobic, I
don't know, because my information source is just some words strung
together to make nice sounds to go with music and a dim recollection
of reading his book and I could well be wrong, but then I don't
actually care so this isn't overly relevant to me.

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#26: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-06-21 10:48:30 by mlh

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:31:06 GMT, &quot;pepe&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nykie&#64;home.com" target="_blank">nykie&#64;home.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Best thing about this book is the picture of Frank smoking a cigarette when
&gt;he is 11 yrs. old. Great pic. Pepe
See? This guy knows what its all about :)

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#27: Re: Biography

Posted on 2005-06-25 00:43:32 by mlh

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 01:29:48 -0700, Sam Rouse &lt;<a href="mailto:nofun&#64;anymore.com" target="_blank">nofun&#64;anymore.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;do you Brits just have a fetish for extra letters? ;)
This may be a possibility ;)

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