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#1: Wizarding Relationships

Posted on 2006-07-21 02:22:21 by Sky Rider

It's odd that in OoP so much emphasis was placed on wizarding blood
and familial relationships but Harry never tried to establish exactly
who his closest wizarding relations might have been.

Likewise with Tom Riddle. I'm not au fair with genetics, but I find it
hard to believe that an entire genetic line can be extinguished so
completely that there are *no* survivors of a family line that
stretched back 1,000 years. Surely there would be some cousins alive
no matter how distant they may be that share a few of the families
genes??
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#2: Re: Wizarding Relationships

Posted on 2006-07-21 03:23:36 by ag30476

Sky Rider wrote:
&gt; It's odd that in OoP so much emphasis was placed on wizarding blood
&gt; and familial relationships but Harry never tried to establish exactly
&gt; who his closest wizarding relations might have been.
&gt;
&gt; Likewise with Tom Riddle. I'm not au fair with genetics, but I find it
&gt; hard to believe that an entire genetic line can be extinguished so
&gt; completely that there are *no* survivors of a family line that
&gt; stretched back 1,000 years. Surely there would be some cousins alive
&gt; no matter how distant they may be that share a few of the families
&gt; genes??

[Dramatic fight scene]
Voldemort: Harry don't you know I am your father's brother's nephew's
cousin once removed by marriage.
Harry: Nooooo.....

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#3: Re: Wizarding Relationships

Posted on 2006-07-21 05:08:42 by Benjamin Esham

ag30476 wrote:

&gt; Sky Rider wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; It's odd that in OoP so much emphasis was placed on wizarding blood and
&gt; &gt; familial relationships but Harry never tried to establish exactly who
&gt; &gt; his closest wizarding relations might have been.
&gt;
&gt; [Dramatic fight scene]
&gt;
&gt; Voldemort: Harry don't you know I am your father's brother's nephew's
&gt; cousin once removed by marriage.
&gt;
&gt; Harry: Nooooo.....

I think you mean...

Voldemort: Before you die, there is something you should know about us,
Harry.

Harry: What?

Voldemort: I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.

Harry: What's that make us?

Voldemort: Absolutely nothing—which is what you are about to become. Avada
Kedavra!

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#4: Re: Wizarding Relationships

Posted on 2006-07-21 05:15:55 by Mauro

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&gt;
&gt; Sky Rider wrote:
&gt; &gt; It's odd that in OoP so much emphasis was placed on wizarding blood
&gt; &gt; and familial relationships but Harry never tried to establish exactly
&gt; &gt; who his closest wizarding relations might have been.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Likewise with Tom Riddle. I'm not au fair with genetics, but I find it
&gt; &gt; hard to believe that an entire genetic line can be extinguished so
&gt; &gt; completely that there are *no* survivors of a family line that
&gt; &gt; stretched back 1,000 years. Surely there would be some cousins alive
&gt; &gt; no matter how distant they may be that share a few of the families
&gt; &gt; genes??
&gt;
&gt; [Dramatic fight scene]
&gt; Voldemort: Harry don't you know I am your father's brother's nephew's
&gt; cousin once removed by marriage.
&gt; Harry: Nooooo.....

You forgot to put in the part where Voldy breaths heavy and cuts off Harry's
hand.

Or is Voldy really Peter Pettigrew's father's brother's nephew's cousin once
removed by marriage? :-)

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#5: Re: Wizarding Relationships

Posted on 2006-07-21 21:33:23 by Thomas Madura

Sky Rider wrote:

&gt; It's odd that in OoP so much emphasis was placed on wizarding blood
&gt; and familial relationships but Harry never tried to establish exactly
&gt; who his closest wizarding relations might have been.
&gt;
&gt; Likewise with Tom Riddle. I'm not au fair with genetics, but I find it
&gt; hard to believe that an entire genetic line can be extinguished so
&gt; completely that there are *no* survivors of a family line that
&gt; stretched back 1,000 years. Surely there would be some cousins alive
&gt; no matter how distant they may be that share a few of the families
&gt; genes??


Actually - the real question is what happened to the Potters. WE have a
pretty good idea what happened to the Slytherin line based on the
stories about young Riddle in the books. But with the Potters - another
full blood line - we have no knowedge at all. Remembering the Harry's
Dad was rich as well (THey did not have to work) also points out to a
more substantial family than maybe the weasleys - who don't have money.

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#6: Re: Wizarding Relationships

Posted on 2006-07-22 00:28:15 by mystic

Thom Madura wrote:
&gt; Sky Rider wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; It's odd that in OoP so much emphasis was placed on wizarding blood
&gt;&gt; and familial relationships but Harry never tried to establish exactly
&gt;&gt; who his closest wizarding relations might have been.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Likewise with Tom Riddle. I'm not au fair with genetics, but I find it
&gt;&gt; hard to believe that an entire genetic line can be extinguished so
&gt;&gt; completely that there are *no* survivors of a family line that
&gt;&gt; stretched back 1,000 years. Surely there would be some cousins alive
&gt;&gt; no matter how distant they may be that share a few of the families
&gt;&gt; genes??
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Actually - the real question is what happened to the Potters. WE have a
&gt; pretty good idea what happened to the Slytherin line based on the
&gt; stories about young Riddle in the books. But with the Potters - another
&gt; full blood line - we have no knowedge at all. Remembering the Harry's
&gt; Dad was rich as well (THey did not have to work) also points out to a
&gt; more substantial family than maybe the weasleys - who don't have money.
&gt;
Harry does seem to be lacking for grandparents, without any reasonable
explaination why.

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#7: Re: Wizarding Relationships

Posted on 2006-07-22 01:31:36 by Kish

*MYSTIC* wrote:

&gt; Harry does seem to be lacking for grandparents, without any reasonable
&gt; explaination why.
&gt;

JKR didn't want to deal with Harry having living grandparents, so she
killed them all off. That's come up in an interview at least once.

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#8: Re: Wizarding Relationships

Posted on 2006-07-22 03:50:01 by Mauro

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&gt; *MYSTIC* wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Harry does seem to be lacking for grandparents, without any reasonable
&gt; &gt; explaination why.
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; JKR didn't want to deal with Harry having living grandparents, so she
&gt; killed them all off. That's come up in an interview at least once.

Yes, JKR killed them off to make her story easier to tell. But I think
*MYSTIC* is saying that there is no description *in the story* of how or
when or under what circumstances Harry's grandparents died, and some of us
would like at least a cursory explanation.

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#9: Re: Wizarding Relationships

Posted on 2006-07-22 06:57:51 by Sky Rider

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:33:23 GMT, Thom Madura
&lt;<a href="mailto:Thom-Madura&#64;Worldnet.att.net" target="_blank">Thom-Madura&#64;Worldnet.att.net</a>&gt; looked at Ron with an evil Grint in his
eye and said :
&gt;Sky Rider wrote:

&gt;&gt; It's odd that in OoP so much emphasis was placed on wizarding blood
&gt;&gt; and familial relationships but Harry never tried to establish exactly
&gt;&gt; who his closest wizarding relations might have been.

&gt;&gt; Likewise with Tom Riddle. I'm not au fair with genetics, but I find it
&gt;&gt; hard to believe that an entire genetic line can be extinguished so
&gt;&gt; completely that there are *no* survivors of a family line that
&gt;&gt; stretched back 1,000 years. Surely there would be some cousins alive
&gt;&gt; no matter how distant they may be that share a few of the families
&gt;&gt; genes??

&gt;Actually - the real question is what happened to the Potters. WE have a
&gt;pretty good idea what happened to the Slytherin line based on the
&gt;stories about young Riddle in the books. But with the Potters - another
&gt;full blood line - we have no knowedge at all. Remembering the Harry's
&gt;Dad was rich as well (THey did not have to work) also points out to a
&gt;more substantial family than maybe the weasleys - who don't have money.

Indeed... since this also implies Lily and Petunia were orphans with
no family other than each other. Yet we know her parents were proud of
Lily... so must have been around until she got into school... yet what
happened to them?? No word at all about *their* demise!

Us muggles rarely have *no* family anywhere even if we don't know
exactly *where* they are.
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#10: Re: Wizarding Relationships

Posted on 2006-07-22 10:11:26 by Toon

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:28:15 -0700, *MYSTIC* &lt;<a href="mailto:mystic&#64;thecave.net" target="_blank">mystic&#64;thecave.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Thom Madura wrote:
&gt;&gt; Sky Rider wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; It's odd that in OoP so much emphasis was placed on wizarding blood
&gt;&gt;&gt; and familial relationships but Harry never tried to establish exactly
&gt;&gt;&gt; who his closest wizarding relations might have been.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Likewise with Tom Riddle. I'm not au fair with genetics, but I find it
&gt;&gt;&gt; hard to believe that an entire genetic line can be extinguished so
&gt;&gt;&gt; completely that there are *no* survivors of a family line that
&gt;&gt;&gt; stretched back 1,000 years. Surely there would be some cousins alive
&gt;&gt;&gt; no matter how distant they may be that share a few of the families
&gt;&gt;&gt; genes??
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Actually - the real question is what happened to the Potters. WE have a
&gt;&gt; pretty good idea what happened to the Slytherin line based on the
&gt;&gt; stories about young Riddle in the books. But with the Potters - another
&gt;&gt; full blood line - we have no knowedge at all. Remembering the Harry's
&gt;&gt; Dad was rich as well (THey did not have to work) also points out to a
&gt;&gt; more substantial family than maybe the weasleys - who don't have money.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;Harry does seem to be lacking for grandparents, without any reasonable
&gt;explaination why.

They're dead. Old people do that.

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#11: Re: Wizarding Relationships

Posted on 2006-07-22 14:05:26 by Thomas Madura

Sky Rider wrote:

&gt; On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:33:23 GMT, Thom Madura
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:Thom-Madura&#64;Worldnet.att.net" target="_blank">Thom-Madura&#64;Worldnet.att.net</a>&gt; looked at Ron with an evil Grint in his
&gt; eye and said :
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Sky Rider wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;It's odd that in OoP so much emphasis was placed on wizarding blood
&gt;&gt;&gt;and familial relationships but Harry never tried to establish exactly
&gt;&gt;&gt;who his closest wizarding relations might have been.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Likewise with Tom Riddle. I'm not au fair with genetics, but I find it
&gt;&gt;&gt;hard to believe that an entire genetic line can be extinguished so
&gt;&gt;&gt;completely that there are *no* survivors of a family line that
&gt;&gt;&gt;stretched back 1,000 years. Surely there would be some cousins alive
&gt;&gt;&gt;no matter how distant they may be that share a few of the families
&gt;&gt;&gt;genes??
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Actually - the real question is what happened to the Potters. WE have a
&gt;&gt;pretty good idea what happened to the Slytherin line based on the
&gt;&gt;stories about young Riddle in the books. But with the Potters - another
&gt;&gt;full blood line - we have no knowedge at all. Remembering the Harry's
&gt;&gt;Dad was rich as well (THey did not have to work) also points out to a
&gt;&gt;more substantial family than maybe the weasleys - who don't have money.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Indeed... since this also implies Lily and Petunia were orphans with
&gt; no family other than each other. Yet we know her parents were proud of
&gt; Lily... so must have been around until she got into school... yet what
&gt; happened to them?? No word at all about *their* demise!
&gt;
&gt; Us muggles rarely have *no* family anywhere even if we don't know
&gt; exactly *where* they are.


Well - not quite.

We know that Lily and Petunia had family (THey were proud when their
daughter received the Hogwarts letter) - I was talking about James'
family. They were probably of Pure Blood origin and were rich(Because
James did not have to work). That's about all we know.

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#12: Re: Wizarding Relationships

Posted on 2006-07-22 23:55:00 by Sky Rider

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 04:11:26 -0400, Toon &lt;<a href="mailto:toon&#64;toon.com" target="_blank">toon&#64;toon.com</a>&gt; looked at Ron
with an evil Grint in his eye and said :
&gt;On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:28:15 -0700, *MYSTIC* &lt;<a href="mailto:mystic&#64;thecave.net" target="_blank">mystic&#64;thecave.net</a>&gt;
&gt;wrote:
&gt;&gt;Thom Madura wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Sky Rider wrote:

&lt;snip&gt;

&gt;&gt;&gt; Actually - the real question is what happened to the Potters. WE have a
&gt;&gt;&gt; pretty good idea what happened to the Slytherin line based on the
&gt;&gt;&gt; stories about young Riddle in the books. But with the Potters - another
&gt;&gt;&gt; full blood line - we have no knowedge at all. Remembering the Harry's
&gt;&gt;&gt; Dad was rich as well (THey did not have to work) also points out to a
&gt;&gt;&gt; more substantial family than maybe the weasleys - who don't have money.

&gt;&gt;Harry does seem to be lacking for grandparents, without any reasonable
&gt;&gt;explaination why.

&gt;They're dead. Old people do that.

To begin with, in the days Harry's grandparents were born it's not
usual for both sets of grandparents to have had only one child and for
all four of them to have conveniently died..

Furthermore, each of those four grandparents had parents. It's
stretching credibility a bit far to expect that they also only had one
child each and then dropped dead.

Had it not been for Sirius explaining Bellatrix et al were 'family,
I'd have suggested what constitutes 'family' in the wizarding world is
a bit more constricted than in the muggle world.
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#13: Re: Wizarding Relationships

Posted on 2006-07-23 00:16:16 by Fish Eye no Miko

Toon wrote:

&gt; *MYSTIC* &lt;<a href="mailto:mystic&#64;thecave.net" target="_blank">mystic&#64;thecave.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Harry does seem to be lacking for grandparents, without any
&gt;&gt; reasonable explaination why.
&gt;
&gt; They're dead. Old people do that.

My parents were 30+ when they had me. Yet I was 18 before ANY of my grand
parents (who would have been, what, at least 50 when I was born?) died.
The idea that all of Harry's grandparents died before he was even born
because &quot;they were old&quot; seems... implausible...

Catherine Johnson.
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#14: Re: Wizarding Relationships

Posted on 2006-07-23 02:57:35 by Thomas Madura

Sky Rider wrote:

&gt; On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 04:11:26 -0400, Toon &lt;<a href="mailto:toon&#64;toon.com" target="_blank">toon&#64;toon.com</a>&gt; looked at Ron
&gt; with an evil Grint in his eye and said :
&gt;
&gt;&gt;On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:28:15 -0700, *MYSTIC* &lt;<a href="mailto:mystic&#64;thecave.net" target="_blank">mystic&#64;thecave.net</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt;wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Thom Madura wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Sky Rider wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Actually - the real question is what happened to the Potters. WE have a
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;pretty good idea what happened to the Slytherin line based on the
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;stories about young Riddle in the books. But with the Potters - another
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;full blood line - we have no knowedge at all. Remembering the Harry's
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Dad was rich as well (THey did not have to work) also points out to a
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;more substantial family than maybe the weasleys - who don't have money.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Harry does seem to be lacking for grandparents, without any reasonable
&gt;&gt;&gt;explaination why.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;They're dead. Old people do that.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; To begin with, in the days Harry's grandparents were born it's not
&gt; usual for both sets of grandparents to have had only one child and for
&gt; all four of them to have conveniently died..
&gt;
&gt; Furthermore, each of those four grandparents had parents. It's
&gt; stretching credibility a bit far to expect that they also only had one
&gt; child each and then dropped dead.
&gt;
&gt; Had it not been for Sirius explaining Bellatrix et al were 'family,
&gt; I'd have suggested what constitutes 'family' in the wizarding world is
&gt; a bit more constricted than in the muggle world.


Well - Yes - it is possible. However - Harry's Potter Grandparents were
Wizards -- who seem to live LONGER than the average human.

Harry was JUST born when V attacked - making his parents probably in
their Twenties and his Grandparents in possibly in their Fourties or
Fifties if they were alive(Not an old age for a wizard). That means - at
least to me - that they did not die &quot;naturally&quot; and there is a story to
be told. That is what I was getting at.

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#15: Re: Wizarding Relationships

Posted on 2006-07-23 10:02:11 by Toon

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:16:16 -0700, &quot;Fish Eye no Miko&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:fisheye&#64;deadmoon.circus" target="_blank">fisheye&#64;deadmoon.circus</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Toon wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; *MYSTIC* &lt;<a href="mailto:mystic&#64;thecave.net" target="_blank">mystic&#64;thecave.net</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Harry does seem to be lacking for grandparents, without any
&gt;&gt;&gt; reasonable explaination why.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; They're dead. Old people do that.
&gt;
&gt;My parents were 30+ when they had me. Yet I was 18 before ANY of my grand
&gt;parents (who would have been, what, at least 50 when I was born?) died.
&gt;The idea that all of Harry's grandparents died before he was even born
&gt;because &quot;they were old&quot; seems... implausible...
&gt;
&gt;Catherine Johnson.

Thye could have died the year he was born. He had 15 months before no
other relatives came into play.

We're also dealing with long lived people. Prior to V's reign of
terror (when people married ASAP), there would not necessarily be a
hurry. perhaps wizards marry in their 80? DD is 150, but that could
be the rare occasion, and he might have been on the Exlir Of Life.
perhaps his tester was also a friend of Nicholas Flammel or his wife
and got some special sauce? They died at 105ish. James, however,
both through the war and marrying a Muggleborn, might agree to Lily's
customs of early marriage. And not wait another 50 years.

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#16: Re: Wizarding Relationships

Posted on 2006-07-23 13:56:22 by DaveD

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&gt; Sky Rider wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 04:11:26 -0400, Toon &lt;<a href="mailto:toon&#64;toon.com" target="_blank">toon&#64;toon.com</a>&gt; looked at Ron
&gt; &gt; with an evil Grint in his eye and said :
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:28:15 -0700, *MYSTIC* &lt;<a href="mailto:mystic&#64;thecave.net" target="_blank">mystic&#64;thecave.net</a>&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;Thom Madura wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Sky Rider wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; Well - Yes - it is possible. However - Harry's Potter Grandparents were
&gt; Wizards -- who seem to live LONGER than the average human.
&gt;
&gt; Harry was JUST born when V attacked - making his parents probably in
&gt; their Twenties and his Grandparents in possibly in their Fourties or
&gt; Fifties if they were alive(Not an old age for a wizard). That means - at
&gt; least to me - that they did not die &quot;naturally&quot; and there is a story to
&gt; be told. That is what I was getting at.


Except from interviews she's given, JKR basically says that for the sake of
the story, Harry has no family so he's alone other than the Dursleys, so she
quite simple eliminated any grandparents (so ruthless!) and so they're not
part of the backstory - although presumably it's always open to someone
(including JKR!) to decide to add a story later on if they want...

Although if you want to add some context of your own, it seems from what
goes on at Hogwarts and the hospital, that magic is very dangerous - so
perhaps wizards tend to be long-lived to counteract the danger or
conversely, magic is dangerous as if to counteract their longevity (what's
given with one hand is taken away with another - nature balancing things
out). So perhaps his grandparents were all a bit unlucky and just succumbed
to the various accidents that tend to happen to wizards and witches - broom
crashes, explosions, drinking the wrong potion or making it up poorly, etc.

DaveD

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#17: Re: Wizarding Relationships

Posted on 2006-07-23 21:59:30 by drusilla

DaveD escribió:
&gt; &quot;Thom Madura&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Thom-Madura&#64;Worldnet.att.net" target="_blank">Thom-Madura&#64;Worldnet.att.net</a>&gt; wrote in message

&gt;&gt; Harry was JUST born when V attacked - making his parents probably in
&gt;&gt; their Twenties and his Grandparents in possibly in their Fourties or
&gt;&gt; Fifties if they were alive(Not an old age for a wizard)

40's is quite young even in Muggle standars :)
BUt JKR said James' parents were old when he was born: if wizard bodies
work like ours do, they probably have had them at 40, being 60 when
Harry was born. And that's for his mother; his father could have been
way older than that.

.. That means - at
&gt;&gt; least to me - that they did not die &quot;naturally&quot; and there is a story to
&gt;&gt; be told. That is what I was getting at.

Surely there is a very interesting story, but I doubt Jo would tell us
in book 7.
Perhaps in the famous HP encyclopaedia.

&gt; Except from interviews she's given, JKR basically says that for the sake of
&gt; the story, Harry has no family so he's alone other than the Dursleys, so she
&gt; quite simple eliminated any grandparents (so ruthless!) and so they're not
&gt; part of the backstory - although presumably it's always open to someone
&gt; (including JKR!) to decide to add a story later on if they want...
&gt;
&gt; Although if you want to add some context of your own, it seems from what
&gt; goes on at Hogwarts and the hospital, that magic is very dangerous - so
&gt; perhaps wizards tend to be long-lived to counteract the danger or
&gt; conversely, magic is dangerous as if to counteract their longevity (what's
&gt; given with one hand is taken away with another - nature balancing things
&gt; out). So perhaps his grandparents were all a bit unlucky and just succumbed
&gt; to the various accidents that tend to happen to wizards and witches - broom
&gt; crashes, explosions, drinking the wrong potion or making it up poorly, etc.
&gt;
&gt; DaveD
&gt;
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Simple explanation: They were killed by LV or DE while looking for the
Potters :S.

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