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#1: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-19 18:58:32 by baineschile

Here are my thoughts, and they are surprisingly intelligent. Oh, and im not
leaving any spoiler space, because if youre reading this and havent read
book 6, youre crazy.


MYSTERIES
As far as the clues in the books go, there are only a few mysteries that
relate indirectly to the story line.

First, is RAB. Its not 100% obvious that its regulus black. It would be
hard for JK to have a character that essentially helps happy beat
voldemort, mentioned in only a brief passage. Also, did anyone wonder to
think that maybe RAB destroyed more than that one horocrux?

Secondly, is Petunia. She obviously knows more than she says, but I
personally think its an open and shut case. She knows more about the
wizarding world than she cares to let on, because of the predjudice in her
family against them.

Thirdly, is Snape. Many people havent considered this, but Snapes
"allegiance" is going to answer a critical question...if LV or dumbledore
is a more powerful wizard. They both obviously trust him, and we dont know
the outcome yet. My bet....its on dumbledore.

WHAT I KNOW.
This should be brief.

Dumbledore is dead. No coming back.
Harry or LV will die, or possibly, both.
Harry WILL return to hogwartz. Its the 7th book...based upon the simple
fact that it takes 7 years to finish wizarding school
Ron will never read Hogwartz: a history


WHAT I THINK

Personally, there are many issues that id like to express my opinion on.
Since there are two openings now at hogwartz (headmaster, and dada) and we
can safely assume that the book WILL take place at hogwartz, who will fill
these positions? I think, that mcgonagall will take over headmaster, and
that mad eye will come back and teach dada (also to protect harry) and
then maybe will will see an old character come and teach transfiguration.
maybe amos diggory, or even one of the old weasleys?

Will old characters come back to play? Fluer came back in book 6, and it
appears the wedding will be the starting stage for 7 (which will obviously
be crashed by death eaters). What ever happened to Krum? He was a central
character in 4, and he could offer many options. He first could be a "dark
wizard gone good" since karkaroff was his headmaster. He could also
represent the LV problem is an international one, not just in england.
Thirdly, he might cause a secondary love story conflict between hermy and
ron.

I also think that harry himself wont be the one to kill LV. All the
prophecy says is "one cannot survive while the other lives", it doesnt say
anything about one killing the other. Plus, dont forget, the last time
harry and lv dueled, their wands connected and got all funky. Id put a few
people in line to kill LV. First, is snape, obviously. second, is a
student. I wouldnt guess hermy or ron, too obvious. what about draco or
neville? neville it could be revenge, and draco, it could be redemption; a
common theme in JKs writing.

I think we will see dumbledore again. The phoenix had some significance at
the end of 6. Personally, i think it will be in a painting, so DD could
relay more info to harry.

I think that the horocruxs are mostly destroyed. Harry will find who RAB
is early in the book, and get the info on which ones are left. The book
would be insanely long if he had to find all 5, plus the normal
shenanigans at horwartz. Im sure a few are destroyed, and kreacher has
one.


WHAT I HOPE
I hope that harry wins, LV dies, and there arent too many other tragedies
along the way. There will be though, easily. I am sure a plethora of
characters will die....maybe dean, seamus, cho, one of the weasley
brothers. But, I wouldnt put it past rowling to kill everyone but rita
skeeter and colin creevy.

Also, on a final not, i wouldnt mind seeing JK write in a sex scene with
hermionie. that girl can fix my glasses anytime.

BAINES



Feel free to respond.

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#2: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-19 21:32:28 by mystic

baineschile wrote:
>
> I think we will see dumbledore again. The phoenix had some significance at
> the end of 6. Personally, i think it will be in a painting, so DD could
> relay more info to harry.
>

I think Dumbledore must have taken precautions in case of his untimely
death to help Harry finish his education in Voldi-ology. After all he
knew that destroying horcruxes could be deadly to him.

>
> WHAT I HOPE
>
> Also, on a final not, i wouldnt mind seeing JK write in a sex scene with
> hermionie. that girl can fix my glasses anytime.
>
> BAINES
>
>
>
> Feel free to respond.
>
>
These are still childrens books. While there might be an implied sex
scene, I really doubt it would be stated outright.

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#3: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-19 21:53:25 by ag30476

*MYSTIC* wrote:
> While there might be an implied sex
> scene, I really doubt it would be stated outright.
Polishing the wand...

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#4: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-19 22:51:39 by drusilla

<a href="mailto:ag30476&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">ag30476&#64;gmail.com</a> escribió:
&gt; *MYSTIC* wrote:
&gt;&gt; While there might be an implied sex
&gt;&gt; scene, I really doubt it would be stated outright.
&gt; Polishing the wand...
&gt;
I think that has already happened in GoF...

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#5: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-19 22:54:02 by ag30476

drusilla wrote:
&gt; <a href="mailto:ag30476&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">ag30476&#64;gmail.com</a> escribi=F3:
&gt; &gt; *MYSTIC* wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; While there might be an implied sex
&gt; &gt;&gt; scene, I really doubt it would be stated outright.
&gt; &gt; Polishing the wand...
&gt; &gt;
&gt; I think that has already happened in GoF...
Yes but how many other euphemisms can we come up with
-Sticking your head in the fireplace
- Raising the Patronus
- Grabbing the Snitch
- Getting a Howler
- Giving the elf a sock
- Flying on the broom
- Doing the Snape

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#6: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-19 23:37:23 by JoeMo

baineschile wrote:
&gt; Here are my thoughts, and they are surprisingly intelligent. Oh, and im not
&gt; leaving any spoiler space, because if youre reading this and havent read
&gt; book 6, youre crazy.

&lt;snip&gt;

&gt; Snape. Many people havent considered this, but Snapes
&gt; &quot;allegiance&quot; is going to answer a critical question...if LV or dumbledore
&gt; is a more powerful wizard. They both obviously trust him, and we dont know
&gt; the outcome yet. My bet....its on dumbledore.

My bet is that Dumbledore's &quot;side&quot; (good) will triumph over Voldemort's
&quot;side&quot; (evil), no matter which side of the fence Severus is sitting on.
But as for the idea of Snape's allegiance determining who was more
powerful, IMO that's ridiculous. *If* Snape is truly evil, it just
means that he was able to exploit Dumbledore's one major weakness:
trust and forgiveness. Imagine two fighters, Fighter A is immensely
more talented, experienced, and an all-around better fighter than
Fighter B. But Fighter A has a weakness. If Fighter B can learn how to
exploit this weakness, then he will win the fight, though a much less
taleted fighter than the man he defeated.

Anyway, Dumbledore has already admitted to making mistakes out of love,
and that Voldemort's side exploits this.

&quot; `I cared about you too much,' said Dumbledore simply. `I cared more for your happiness than your knowing the truth, more for your peace of mind than my plan, more for your life than the lives that might be lost if the plan failed. In other words, I acted exactly as Voldemort expects we fools who love to act.' &quot;
(OotP Ch. 37)

Yet I've seen many people here argue that for DD to be wrong about
Snape with dishonor his memory. But I don't agree... when Harry wins
the final battle (dead or alive) it will be clear that the message DD
preached (tolerance, love, forgiveness) has triumphed. To me, it's more
meaningful to know that even when this way of life leads to DEATH, it's
the better outcome. Even if you're wrong about someone, and it kills
you, that's better than the alternative... suspecting everyone, and
thinking the worst of them. Like Voldemort.

&lt;snip&gt;
&gt; I also think that harry himself wont be the one to kill LV. All the
&gt; prophecy says is &quot;one cannot survive while the other lives&quot;, it doesnt say
&gt; anything about one killing the other.

Except the part where it says,..
&quot;and either must die at the hand of the other&quot;

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#7: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-20 03:29:57 by gjw

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:58:32 -0400, &quot;baineschile&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:devilnawf&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">devilnawf&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Thirdly, is Snape. Many people havent considered this, but Snapes
&gt;&quot;allegiance&quot; is going to answer a critical question...if LV or dumbledore
&gt;is a more powerful wizard. They both obviously trust him, and we dont know
&gt;the outcome yet. My bet....its on dumbledore.


My bet is that Snape is loyal to no one but Snape.

I think he has a personal grudge against Voldemort (for killing Lily)
and he is determined to get vengeance, no matter who he has to hurt
along the way - including Dumbledore.


&gt;WHAT I KNOW.
&gt;This should be brief.
&gt;
&gt;Dumbledore is dead. No coming back.

Almost certainly true. (The only &quot;out&quot; I could see would be if the
person Snape killed wasn't really Dumbledore. But that seems a highly
unlikely.)


&gt;Harry or LV will die, or possibly, both.

Without question.


&gt;Harry WILL return to hogwartz.

Most likely. My bet is that when he returns he finds the school
mostly empty of students. And we will return to Hogwarts at the end
of the story to see it, once again filled with students and back to
normal.


&gt;Ron will never read Hogwartz: a history

Not unless Hermione sits on him and reads it to him aloud. ;)


&gt;WHAT I THINK

&gt;I also think that harry himself wont be the one to kill LV. All the
&gt;prophecy says is &quot;one cannot survive while the other lives&quot;, it doesnt say
&gt;anything about one killing the other.

I believe that Harry will be the one responsible for Voldemort's
death, but I think it may be in an indirect way. I don't think anyone
else (but Harry) will kill him.


&gt;Id put a few people in line to kill LV. First, is snape, obviously.

In my imagined finale, Snape attacks Voldemort at a crucial point
(leading Harry, of course, to think, &quot;What the hell??&quot;), and in so
doing either intentionally or unintentionally aids Harry's efforts to
vanquish the Dark Lord. He does this not because he's a nice guy, but
because he has a REALLY big grudge against Voldemort.


&gt;I think we will see dumbledore again. The phoenix had some significance at
&gt;the end of 6. Personally, i think it will be in a painting, so DD could
&gt;relay more info to harry.

I think we will almost certainly get more information from (the dead)
Dumbledore, via something he left behind (his memories in a Pensieve,
the painting on the wall, a note left behind), but we won't be seeing
him return from the dead.

I DO find the phoenix at the funeral blurs the lines a bit, however.
Surely, JKR realizes that a phoenix is a symbol of resurrection and
immortality, and showing a phoenix &quot;escape&quot; from the funeral pyre
could only inspire hopes that it was Dumbledore in animagus form. I
suspect that she meant it only as a spiritual metaphor (e.g. his soul
departing the grave, heading to heaven), to add a little inspiration
to the otherwise depressing funeral scene. But it sends a
mixed-message, and it's the only reason that I'm not 100% positive
that Dumbledore is permanently dead (just 99% ;)


&gt;I think that the horocruxs are mostly destroyed. Harry will find who RAB
&gt;is early in the book, and get the info on which ones are left. The book
&gt;would be insanely long if he had to find all 5, plus the normal
&gt;shenanigans at horwartz. Im sure a few are destroyed, and kreacher has
&gt;one.

Not five. Just four. You're forgetting that one of them is
Voldemort's original soul - still inside Voldemort.

From the book: &quot;There might still be as many as four Horcruxes out
there somewhere and each would need to be found and eliminated before
there was even a possibility that Voldemort could be killed. He kept
reciting their names to himself, as though by listing them he could
bring them within reach: 'the locket .., the cup ... the snake ...
something of Gryffindor's or Ravenclaw's ...&quot;

The locket should be easy to find. So that should leave three
horcruxes to find. (If one of them is in Harry, or was destroyed by
accident in the graveyard blood-letting, there will be only two.)


&gt;WHAT I HOPE

&gt;Also, on a final not, i wouldnt mind seeing JK write in a sex scene with
&gt;hermionie. that girl can fix my glasses anytime.

&quot;Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.&quot; It ain't gonna happen. ;)

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#8: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-20 03:41:02 by Ken

baineschile wrote:
-snip-
&gt; Secondly, is Petunia. She obviously knows more than she says, -snip-

yeap

&gt; Thirdly, is Snape. Many people havent considered this, but Snapes
&gt; &quot;allegiance&quot; is going to answer a critical question...if LV or
&gt; dumbledore is a more powerful wizard. They both obviously trust him,
&gt; and we dont know the outcome yet. My bet....its on dumbledore.

yeap

&gt;
&gt; WHAT I THINK
&gt;


&gt; I also think that harry himself wont be the one to kill LV. All the
&gt; prophecy says is &quot;one cannot survive while the other lives&quot;, it
&gt; doesnt say anything about one killing the other.

yeap

-snip-
&gt; First, is snape, obviously. second, is a student. -snip-

my bet is on wormtail. DD said that Harry might be glad that he let wormtail
live and Gandalf... I mean Dumbledore is no fool.
-snip

&gt; I think that the horocruxs are mostly destroyed. Harry will find who
&gt; RAB is early in the book, and get the info on which ones are left.
&gt; The book would be insanely long if he had to find all 5, plus the
&gt; normal shenanigans at horwartz. Im sure a few are destroyed, and
&gt; kreacher has one.

I think that Hermione, Ron, Neville and maybe others will appear to die
destroying Horcruxes but will be found out to survive at the end.

&gt;
&gt;
&gt; WHAT I HOPE
&gt; I hope that harry wins, LV dies, and there arent too many other
&gt; tragedies along the way. There will be though, easily. I am sure a
&gt; plethora of characters will die....maybe dean, seamus, cho, one of
&gt; the weasley brothers. But, I wouldnt put it past rowling to kill
&gt; everyone but rita skeeter and colin creevy.

yeap

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#9: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-20 03:50:34 by gjw

On 19 Jul 2006 14:37:23 -0700, &quot;JoeMo&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:josephrmoore&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">josephrmoore&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Anyway, Dumbledore has already admitted to making mistakes out of love,
&gt;and that Voldemort's side exploits this.
&gt;
&gt;&quot; `I cared about you too much,' said Dumbledore simply. `I cared more for your happiness than your knowing the truth, more for your peace of mind than my plan, more for your life than the lives that might be lost if the plan failed. In other words, I acted exactly as Voldemort expects we fools who love to act.' &quot;
&gt;(OotP Ch. 37)

Exactly. Everyone makes mistakes, and that is the kind of mistake
that good, loving people make. They care TOO much (if that's
possible).


&gt;Yet I've seen many people here argue that for DD to be wrong about
&gt;Snape with dishonor his memory. But I don't agree... when Harry wins
&gt;the final battle (dead or alive) it will be clear that the message DD
&gt;preached (tolerance, love, forgiveness) has triumphed. To me, it's more
&gt;meaningful to know that even when this way of life leads to DEATH, it's
&gt;the better outcome. Even if you're wrong about someone, and it kills
&gt;you, that's better than the alternative... suspecting everyone, and
&gt;thinking the worst of them. Like Voldemort.

Agreed. Dumbledore took the same chance with Snape that any good man
takes a risk when he offers a repentant sinner a new chance in life.
The fact that Snape used Dumbledore's charity against him isn't a
testimony to Dumbledore's weakness, it is only a testimony to Snape's
ignominy.

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#10: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-20 06:11:18 by drusilla

<a href="mailto:ag30476&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">ag30476&#64;gmail.com</a> escribió:
&gt; drusilla wrote:
&gt;&gt; <a href="mailto:ag30476&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">ag30476&#64;gmail.com</a> escribió:
&gt;&gt;&gt; *MYSTIC* wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; While there might be an implied sex
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; scene, I really doubt it would be stated outright.
&gt;&gt;&gt; Polishing the wand...
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I think that has already happened in GoF...
&gt; Yes but how many other euphemisms can we come up with

&gt; - Raising the Patronus

I like that one ! ^_^

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#11: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-20 13:42:59 by Toon

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:58:32 -0400, &quot;baineschile&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:devilnawf&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">devilnawf&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;Harry WILL return to hogwartz. Its the 7th book...based upon the simple
&gt;fact that it takes 7 years to finish wizarding school

The twins didn't do all 7 years. and they're successful. or trying
to take over the joke world at least.

&gt;Ron will never read Hogwartz: a history

Why? He can just ask Hermione.

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#12: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-20 13:43:55 by Toon

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:32:28 -0700, *MYSTIC* &lt;<a href="mailto:mystic&#64;thecave.net" target="_blank">mystic&#64;thecave.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;I think Dumbledore must have taken precautions in case of his untimely
&gt;death to help Harry finish his education in Voldi-ology. After all he
&gt;knew that destroying horcruxes could be deadly to him.

Hence the Slughorn Memory Quest. A setup Training Exercise.

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#13: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-20 20:16:26 by matovaltonen

can you remember when DD said that he doesn't care of anything exept if
he is going to remowe from chocolatefrog cards so if harry have one in
pocket DD can give him orders or information

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#14: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-21 01:54:58 by Sky Rider

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:42:59 -0400, Toon &lt;<a href="mailto:toon&#64;toon.com" target="_blank">toon&#64;toon.com</a>&gt; looked at Ron
with an evil Grint in his eye and said :
&gt;On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:58:32 -0400, &quot;baineschile&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:devilnawf&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">devilnawf&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
&gt;wrote:

&gt;&gt;Harry WILL return to hogwartz. Its the 7th book...based upon the simple
&gt;&gt;fact that it takes 7 years to finish wizarding school

&gt;The twins didn't do all 7 years. and they're successful. or trying
&gt;to take over the joke world at least.

Harry wants to be an Auror if he grows up... he needs high NEWTS to be
able to get into the training program.
--

Where real Aussies go to tell it like it is!
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#15: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-21 03:39:09 by Stubby Boardman

On 2006-07-20 19:54:58 -0400, Sky Rider &lt;<a href="mailto:home&#64;therange.com" target="_blank">home&#64;therange.com</a>&gt; said:

&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:42:59 -0400, Toon &lt;<a href="mailto:toon&#64;toon.com" target="_blank">toon&#64;toon.com</a>&gt; looked at Ron
&gt; with an evil Grint in his eye and said :
&gt;&gt; On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:58:32 -0400, &quot;baineschile&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:devilnawf&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">devilnawf&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Harry WILL return to hogwartz. Its the 7th book...based upon the simple
&gt;&gt;&gt; fact that it takes 7 years to finish wizarding school
&gt;
&gt;&gt; The twins didn't do all 7 years. and they're successful. or trying
&gt;&gt; to take over the joke world at least.
&gt;
&gt; Harry wants to be an Auror if he grows up... he needs high NEWTS to be
&gt; able to get into the training program.

If Harry were to bring about the destruction of the most
powerful dark wizard in many a year, it's probably that
the NEWT requirements might be waived.
:-)

Stubby

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#16: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-21 05:34:43 by Mauro

&quot;Stubby Boardman&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Sboardman&#64;hogwarts.edu" target="_blank">Sboardman&#64;hogwarts.edu</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:2006072021390916807-Sboardman&#64;hogwartsedu..." target="_blank">2006072021390916807-Sboardman&#64;hogwartsedu...</a>
&gt; On 2006-07-20 19:54:58 -0400, Sky Rider &lt;<a href="mailto:home&#64;therange.com" target="_blank">home&#64;therange.com</a>&gt; said:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:42:59 -0400, Toon &lt;<a href="mailto:toon&#64;toon.com" target="_blank">toon&#64;toon.com</a>&gt; looked at Ron
&gt; &gt; with an evil Grint in his eye and said :
&gt; &gt;&gt; On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:58:32 -0400, &quot;baineschile&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:devilnawf&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">devilnawf&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Harry WILL return to hogwartz. Its the 7th book...based upon the
simple
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; fact that it takes 7 years to finish wizarding school
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; The twins didn't do all 7 years. and they're successful. or trying
&gt; &gt;&gt; to take over the joke world at least.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Harry wants to be an Auror if he grows up... he needs high NEWTS to be
&gt; &gt; able to get into the training program.
&gt;
&gt; If Harry were to bring about the destruction of the most
&gt; powerful dark wizard in many a year, it's probably that
&gt; the NEWT requirements might be waived.
&gt; :-)

I'm not very familiar with the British education system. In the real Great
Britain, would someone be allowed to take the tests late, or to retake them?

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#17: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-21 05:58:27 by BaJoRi

&quot;Sky Rider&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:home&#64;therange.com" target="_blank">home&#64;therange.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:42:59 -0400, Toon &lt;<a href="mailto:toon&#64;toon.com" target="_blank">toon&#64;toon.com</a>&gt; looked at Ron
&gt; with an evil Grint in his eye and said :
&gt;&gt;On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:58:32 -0400, &quot;baineschile&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:devilnawf&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">devilnawf&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt;wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Harry WILL return to hogwartz. Its the 7th book...based upon the simple
&gt;&gt;&gt;fact that it takes 7 years to finish wizarding school

He will not return to study but he will return to get the horcrux, which is
contained within Tom's Special Award for Services to the School.


&gt;
&gt;&gt;The twins didn't do all 7 years. and they're successful. or trying
&gt;&gt;to take over the joke world at least.
&gt;
&gt; Harry wants to be an Auror if he grows up... he needs high NEWTS to be
&gt; able to get into the training program.
&gt; --
&gt;
&gt; Where real Aussies go to tell it like it is!
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#18: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-21 07:18:09 by dicconf

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:d4ltb2dp3vsikfn3flc6dg0v5mf2970241&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">d4ltb2dp3vsikfn3flc6dg0v5mf2970241&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;,
gjw &lt;<a href="mailto:gjw&#64;example.com" target="_blank">gjw&#64;example.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:58:32 -0400, &quot;baineschile&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:devilnawf&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">devilnawf&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
&gt;wrote:
&lt;snip&gt;

&gt;&gt;Id put a few people in line to kill LV. First, is snape, obviously.
&gt;
&gt;In my imagined finale, Snape attacks Voldemort at a crucial point
&gt;(leading Harry, of course, to think, &quot;What the hell??&quot;), and in so
&gt;doing either intentionally or unintentionally aids Harry's efforts to
&gt;vanquish the Dark Lord. He does this not because he's a nice guy, but
&gt;because he has a REALLY big grudge against Voldemort.

Or because LV has attacked Draco, and Snape figures he has a better
chance of defeating LV than of defeating the UV.

=Tamar

&gt;From the book: &quot;There might still be as many as four Horcruxes out
&gt;there somewhere and each would need to be found and eliminated before
&gt;there was even a possibility that Voldemort could be killed. He kept
&gt;reciting their names to himself, as though by listing them he could
&gt;bring them within reach: 'the locket .., the cup ... the snake ...
&gt;something of Gryffindor's or Ravenclaw's ...&quot;
&gt;
&gt;The locket should be easy to find. So that should leave three
&gt;horcruxes to find. (If one of them is in Harry, or was destroyed by
&gt;accident in the graveyard blood-letting, there will be only two.)

He'll probably have to find Mr Ollivander, to test the wand that
was in the window on the faded purple cushion. I'm convinced that
was Rowena Ravenclaw's wand.

=Tamar

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#19: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-21 09:52:21 by Toon

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:54:58 GMT, Sky Rider &lt;<a href="mailto:home&#64;therange.com" target="_blank">home&#64;therange.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:42:59 -0400, Toon &lt;<a href="mailto:toon&#64;toon.com" target="_blank">toon&#64;toon.com</a>&gt; looked at Ron
&gt;with an evil Grint in his eye and said :
&gt;&gt;On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:58:32 -0400, &quot;baineschile&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:devilnawf&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">devilnawf&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt;wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Harry WILL return to hogwartz. Its the 7th book...based upon the simple
&gt;&gt;&gt;fact that it takes 7 years to finish wizarding school
&gt;
&gt;&gt;The twins didn't do all 7 years. and they're successful. or trying
&gt;&gt;to take over the joke world at least.
&gt;
&gt;Harry wants to be an Auror if he grows up... he needs high NEWTS to be
&gt;able to get into the training program.

If he kills Voldemort, he's so in. What do you expect: Well, Potter,
let's see, you did kill the worst Dark Lord ever, but your NEWTS just
aren't up to snuff. Obviosuly some dark wizard will get the upper
hand over you. Can't let you risk yourself like that due to a lack of
ability, oh slayer of He Who Must Not Be Named.

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#20: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-21 12:50:41 by cwlNO

In article &lt;DhYvg.303519$<a href="mailto:SQ6.167501&#64;fe09.news.easynews.com" target="_blank">SQ6.167501&#64;fe09.news.easynews.com</a>&gt;, &quot;BaJoRi&quot;
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&gt;&quot;Sky Rider&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:home&#64;therange.com" target="_blank">home&#64;therange.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:42:59 -0400, Toon &lt;<a href="mailto:toon&#64;toon.com" target="_blank">toon&#64;toon.com</a>&gt; looked at Ron
&gt;&gt; with an evil Grint in his eye and said :
&gt;&gt;&gt;On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:58:32 -0400, &quot;baineschile&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:devilnawf&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">devilnawf&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Harry WILL return to hogwartz. Its the 7th book...based upon the simple
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;fact that it takes 7 years to finish wizarding school
&gt;
&gt;He will not return to study but he will return to get the horcrux, which is
&gt;contained within Tom's Special Award for Services to the School.

The &quot;Special Awards for Services to the School&quot; which DD also awarded to
Harry and Ron, in CoS - Ch. 18, might be special in name only. They sound
like something that might also be given to Filch if he were to retire. It
could be that Tom valued his personal Medal for Magical Merit more.
Perhaps the award was even initiated by Rowena Ravenclaw.

&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;The twins didn't do all 7 years. and they're successful. or trying
&gt;&gt;&gt;to take over the joke world at least.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Harry wants to be an Auror if he grows up... he needs high NEWTS to be
&gt;&gt; able to get into the training program.
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#21: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-21 20:46:30 by nella

gjw wrote:

&gt; My bet is that Snape is loyal to no one but Snape.
&gt;
&gt; I think he has a personal grudge against Voldemort (for killing Lily)
&gt; and he is determined to get vengeance, no matter who he has to hurt
&gt; along the way - including Dumbledore.

I'm a newbie here and just wanted to finally pipe in on the subject of
Snape. My take on Snape's actions is that he had to &quot;carry out the
deed&quot; and kill Dumbledore because of the Unbreakable Vow, and that this
vow was something DD undoubtedly knew about and decided to make good
use of.

What really bothered me when reading HBP was that DD seemed to be oddly
resigned for quite some time before the end. As far as I can recall, he
kept saying to Harry that only Harry was important and he himself was
not. It sounded to me that he had already decided that he was
expendable and he knew he had to step aside.

This attitude of his didn't really make sense to me until after Snape
killed him. So I think he did have to die in order to make his plan
work, whatever that plan was. Snape was, in effect, forced to do the
dirty work.

I'd like to refer to Rowling's comment on Snape on her web site:

&quot;Sirius is very good at spouting bits of excellent personal philosophy,
but he does not always live up to them ... Similarly, Sirius claims
that nobody is wholly good or wholly evil, and yet the way he acts
towards Snape suggests that he cannot conceive of any latent good
qualities there.&quot;

Snape is bitter and cruel and hateful, of course, but that does not
mean he's evil or loyal to LV. He has had a horrible childhood and he
has been humiliated time and again. Not unlike Harry, actually. I don't
think it is insignificant that despite all the hatred between them,
Harry does seem to be able to understand Snape to some extent.

After seeing the memory depicting Snape's worst humiliation, Harry
actually feels for Snape because he has experienced the same kind of
humiliation and knows perfectly well what it feels like.

And then there's the side of Snape, the Half-Blood Prince, that Harry
positively admires (obviously unaware of his true identity). Harry
defends him with all his might when Hermione annoyingly keeps
questioning the Prince's morals.

There is a connection between Harry and Snape that goes beyond their
mutual hatred, and that connection makes it hard for me to believe that
Snape would ultimately be destined to be evil by Rowling.

So I for one expect to see Snape go in a blaze of glory, after which
no-one can question his true loyalties. Or, were he the one to get the
reprieve, as I secretly hope, he might live and be just the right man
to console Lucius Malfoy's widow after the final battle is over. :)

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#22: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-21 22:24:24 by DaveD

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&gt; &gt; On 2006-07-20 19:54:58 -0400, Sky Rider &lt;<a href="mailto:home&#64;therange.com" target="_blank">home&#64;therange.com</a>&gt; said:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:42:59 -0400, Toon &lt;<a href="mailto:toon&#64;toon.com" target="_blank">toon&#64;toon.com</a>&gt; looked at Ron
&gt; &gt; &gt; with an evil Grint in his eye and said :
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:58:32 -0400, &quot;baineschile&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:devilnawf&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">devilnawf&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; wrote:


&gt; &gt; &gt; Harry wants to be an Auror if he grows up... he needs high NEWTS to be
&gt; &gt; &gt; able to get into the training program.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; If Harry were to bring about the destruction of the most
&gt; &gt; powerful dark wizard in many a year, it's probably that
&gt; &gt; the NEWT requirements might be waived.
&gt; &gt; :-)
&gt;
&gt; I'm not very familiar with the British education system. In the real
Great
&gt; Britain, would someone be allowed to take the tests late, or to retake
them?


Erm, I'm not quite sure how to break this to you (you might want to sit
down...) but even though the books are set in Great Britain, we don't
actually have NEWTs - or even OWLs!! The books aren't actually real :)

Sorry, couldn't resist! In GB we have GCSEs (usually taken at school at 16)
and A-levels (taken at 18) - but both can be taken later or retaken. HTH.

DaveD

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#23: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-22 00:05:45 by Sky Rider

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:39:09 -0400, Stubby Boardman
&lt;<a href="mailto:Sboardman&#64;hogwarts.edu" target="_blank">Sboardman&#64;hogwarts.edu</a>&gt; looked at Ron with an evil Grint in his eye
and said :
&gt;On 2006-07-20 19:54:58 -0400, Sky Rider &lt;<a href="mailto:home&#64;therange.com" target="_blank">home&#64;therange.com</a>&gt; said:
&gt;&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:42:59 -0400, Toon &lt;<a href="mailto:toon&#64;toon.com" target="_blank">toon&#64;toon.com</a>&gt; looked at Ron
&gt;&gt; with an evil Grint in his eye and said :
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:58:32 -0400, &quot;baineschile&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:devilnawf&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">devilnawf&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Harry WILL return to hogwartz. Its the 7th book...based upon the simple
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; fact that it takes 7 years to finish wizarding school

&gt;&gt;&gt; The twins didn't do all 7 years. and they're successful. or trying
&gt;&gt;&gt; to take over the joke world at least.

&gt;&gt; Harry wants to be an Auror if he grows up... he needs high NEWTS to be
&gt;&gt; able to get into the training program.

&gt;If Harry were to bring about the destruction of the most
&gt;powerful dark wizard in many a year, it's probably that
&gt;the NEWT requirements might be waived.
&gt;:-)

Yeah :) And maybe if Voldie was defeated they wouldn't need the Aurors
so much anyway :)
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#24: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-22 00:08:31 by ag30476

Sky Rider wrote:
&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:39:09 -0400, Stubby Boardman
&gt; &gt;If Harry were to bring about the destruction of the most
&gt; &gt;powerful dark wizard in many a year, it's probably that
&gt; &gt;the NEWT requirements might be waived.
&gt; &gt;:-)
&gt;
&gt; Yeah :) And maybe if Voldie was defeated they wouldn't need the Aurors
&gt; so much anyway :)

So if Harry wants a future job, he has to make sure LV stays alive.

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#25: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-22 02:12:15 by gjw

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 05:18:09 -0000, <a href="mailto:dicconf&#64;radix.net" target="_blank">dicconf&#64;radix.net</a> (Richard Eney)
wrote:

&gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:d4ltb2dp3vsikfn3flc6dg0v5mf2970241&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">d4ltb2dp3vsikfn3flc6dg0v5mf2970241&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;,
&gt;gjw &lt;<a href="mailto:gjw&#64;example.com" target="_blank">gjw&#64;example.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:58:32 -0400, &quot;baineschile&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:devilnawf&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">devilnawf&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt;wrote:
&gt;&lt;snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Id put a few people in line to kill LV. First, is snape, obviously.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;In my imagined finale, Snape attacks Voldemort at a crucial point
&gt;&gt;(leading Harry, of course, to think, &quot;What the hell??&quot;), and in so
&gt;&gt;doing either intentionally or unintentionally aids Harry's efforts to
&gt;&gt;vanquish the Dark Lord. He does this not because he's a nice guy, but
&gt;&gt;because he has a REALLY big grudge against Voldemort.
&gt;
&gt;Or because LV has attacked Draco, and Snape figures he has a better
&gt;chance of defeating LV than of defeating the UV.

Although there's no way to be absolutely certain, my interpretation of
the Unbreakable Vow is that its conditions have already been met.
Snape vowed to help Draco try to kill Dumbledore, to protect Draco
while he was trying to do this, and to do it himself if Draco
faltered. I think that once Snape killed Dumbledore, he had fulfilled
the obligations of the Vow. I'm not even sure whether Snape was
obligated to help Draco escape afterward, but he did that as well. He
did what he promised, and the Vow, as I see it, is no longer in
effect.

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#26: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-22 03:43:38 by Mauro

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&gt; &gt; &gt; On 2006-07-20 19:54:58 -0400, Sky Rider &lt;<a href="mailto:home&#64;therange.com" target="_blank">home&#64;therange.com</a>&gt; said:
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:42:59 -0400, Toon &lt;<a href="mailto:toon&#64;toon.com" target="_blank">toon&#64;toon.com</a>&gt; looked at
Ron
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; with an evil Grint in his eye and said :
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:58:32 -0400, &quot;baineschile&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:devilnawf&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">devilnawf&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Harry wants to be an Auror if he grows up... he needs high NEWTS to
be
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; able to get into the training program.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; If Harry were to bring about the destruction of the most
&gt; &gt; &gt; powerful dark wizard in many a year, it's probably that
&gt; &gt; &gt; the NEWT requirements might be waived.
&gt; &gt; &gt; :-)
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I'm not very familiar with the British education system. In the real
&gt; Great
&gt; &gt; Britain, would someone be allowed to take the tests late, or to retake
&gt; them?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Erm, I'm not quite sure how to break this to you (you might want to sit
&gt; down...) but even though the books are set in Great Britain, we don't
&gt; actually have NEWTs - or even OWLs!! The books aren't actually real :)
&gt;
&gt; Sorry, couldn't resist! In GB we have GCSEs (usually taken at school at
16)
&gt; and A-levels (taken at 18) - but both can be taken later or retaken. HTH.

Ahem... before I botched it in editing, the sentence was supposed to say,
&quot;In the real Great Britain, with the real tests that they take...&quot; :-)

So if the GCSEs and A-levels can be taken later or retaken, what's to keep
Harry from taking his NEWTS later?

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#27: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-22 06:48:49 by Sky Rider

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:52:21 -0400, Toon &lt;<a href="mailto:toon&#64;toon.com" target="_blank">toon&#64;toon.com</a>&gt; looked at Ron
with an evil Grint in his eye and said :
&gt;On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:54:58 GMT, Sky Rider &lt;<a href="mailto:home&#64;therange.com" target="_blank">home&#64;therange.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:42:59 -0400, Toon &lt;<a href="mailto:toon&#64;toon.com" target="_blank">toon&#64;toon.com</a>&gt; looked at Ron
&gt;&gt;with an evil Grint in his eye and said :
&gt;&gt;&gt;On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:58:32 -0400, &quot;baineschile&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:devilnawf&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">devilnawf&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;wrote:

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Harry WILL return to hogwartz. Its the 7th book...based upon the simple
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;fact that it takes 7 years to finish wizarding school

&gt;&gt;&gt;The twins didn't do all 7 years. and they're successful. or trying
&gt;&gt;&gt;to take over the joke world at least.

&gt;&gt;Harry wants to be an Auror if he grows up... he needs high NEWTS to be
&gt;&gt;able to get into the training program.

&gt;If he kills Voldemort, he's so in. What do you expect: Well, Potter,
&gt;let's see, you did kill the worst Dark Lord ever, but your NEWTS just
&gt;aren't up to snuff. Obviosuly some dark wizard will get the upper
&gt;hand over you. Can't let you risk yourself like that due to a lack of
&gt;ability, oh slayer of He Who Must Not Be Named.

Don't ignore the fact this is a bureaucracy... if he spelled his name
wrong on one of the forms he had to submit in triplicate I bet they'd
turn him down too!! :)
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#28: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-22 10:42:49 by Deevo

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&gt;
&gt; Sky Rider wrote:
&gt;&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:39:09 -0400, Stubby Boardman
&gt;&gt; &gt;If Harry were to bring about the destruction of the most
&gt;&gt; &gt;powerful dark wizard in many a year, it's probably that
&gt;&gt; &gt;the NEWT requirements might be waived.
&gt;&gt; &gt;:-)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Yeah :) And maybe if Voldie was defeated they wouldn't need the Aurors
&gt;&gt; so much anyway :)
&gt;
&gt; So if Harry wants a future job, he has to make sure LV stays alive.

Oh there'll always be some bad guy or another ready to step into the power
vacuum. Ever since I read it this editorial has got me wondering.
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#29: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-22 11:04:52 by DaveD

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....
&gt; &gt; &gt; I'm not very familiar with the British education system. In the real
&gt; &gt; Great
&gt; &gt; &gt; Britain, would someone be allowed to take the tests late, or to retake
&gt; &gt; them?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Erm, I'm not quite sure how to break this to you (you might want to sit
&gt; &gt; down...) but even though the books are set in Great Britain, we don't
&gt; &gt; actually have NEWTs - or even OWLs!! The books aren't actually real :)
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Sorry, couldn't resist! In GB we have GCSEs (usually taken at school at
&gt; 16)
&gt; &gt; and A-levels (taken at 18) - but both can be taken later or retaken.
HTH.
&gt;
&gt; Ahem... before I botched it in editing, the sentence was supposed to say,
&gt; &quot;In the real Great Britain, with the real tests that they take...&quot; :-)
&gt;
&gt; So if the GCSEs and A-levels can be taken later or retaken, what's to keep
&gt; Harry from taking his NEWTS later?


Well NEWTs aren't A-levels so they might or might not be the same! Also,
A-levels are usually taken at 18 (though a few do take them early and some
late) whereas NEWTs are taken at 17 so there's one big difference.

If they did exist, they'd have their own Board managing them who might have
their own rules. Although given there are books for people to improve their
magic after Hogwarts (eg the ones in Filch's office) perhaps they offer
summer schools for people at Hogwarts over the holidays?!

DaveD

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#30: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-22 14:09:02 by Stubby Boardman

On 2006-07-22 04:42:49 -0400, &quot;Deevo&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mckenzie&#64;NOSPAMmidwest.com.au" target="_blank">mckenzie&#64;NOSPAMmidwest.com.au</a>&gt; said:

&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:ag30476&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">ag30476&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Sky Rider wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:39:09 -0400, Stubby Boardman
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; If Harry were to bring about the destruction of the most
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; powerful dark wizard in many a year, it's probably that
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the NEWT requirements might be waived.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; :-)
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Yeah :) And maybe if Voldie was defeated they wouldn't need the Aurors
&gt;&gt;&gt; so much anyway :)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; So if Harry wants a future job, he has to make sure LV stays alive.
&gt;
&gt; Oh there'll always be some bad guy or another ready to step into the
&gt; power vacuum. Ever since I read it this editorial has got me wondering.
&gt; <a href="http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/editorials/edit-texan01.shtml" target="_blank"> http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/editorials/edit-texan01. shtml</a>

What a fantastic theory. I think he has hit the nail right on the head.

This explains just about all of Snape's actions, including why he really saved
Harry from Quirrell's broom hex. Harry had to survive to vanquish Voldy.

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#31: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-22 22:47:26 by DaveD

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&gt; Oh there'll always be some bad guy or another ready to step into the power
&gt; vacuum. Ever since I read it this editorial has got me wondering.
&gt; <a href="http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/editorials/edit-texan01.shtml" target="_blank"> http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/editorials/edit-texan01. shtml</a>
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Amazing - thanks Deevo!

I did wonder briefly about Machiavelli and &quot;The Prince&quot; but didn't know
enough about it and discarded the (very brief!) thought. Looks like I
shouldn't have!

The use of the names of those two generals that Machiavelli refers to, Albus
and Severus, along with Niger, is clearly no coincidence - the only thing
is, how much can we extrapolate from that. Did JKR just use their names
because she liked them, or are there similarities with a 3-way battle that
two of the protagonists are unaware of till their demise when they're both
betrayed! (Incidentally, could Niger refer to Sirius Black rather than the
Dark Lord?)

Great article anyway - it's made me start rethinking Snape's position now!

DaveD

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#32: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-23 00:11:46 by Sky Rider

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:09:02 -0400, Stubby Boardman
&lt;<a href="mailto:Sboardman&#64;hogwarts.edu" target="_blank">Sboardman&#64;hogwarts.edu</a>&gt; looked at Ron with an evil Grint in his eye
and said :
&gt;On 2006-07-22 04:42:49 -0400, &quot;Deevo&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mckenzie&#64;NOSPAMmidwest.com.au" target="_blank">mckenzie&#64;NOSPAMmidwest.com.au</a>&gt; said:
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&gt;&gt;&gt; Sky Rider wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:39:09 -0400, Stubby Boardman

&lt;snip&gt;

&gt;&gt; Oh there'll always be some bad guy or another ready to step into the
&gt;&gt; power vacuum. Ever since I read it this editorial has got me wondering.
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/editorials/edit-texan01.shtml" target="_blank"> http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/editorials/edit-texan01. shtml</a>

&gt;What a fantastic theory. I think he has hit the nail right on the head.

&gt;This explains just about all of Snape's actions, including why he really saved
&gt;Harry from Quirrell's broom hex. Harry had to survive to vanquish Voldy.

I am seriously impressed with that... nice piece of work even if it
turns out to be incorrect... but it is *very* compelling :)

Snape taking over as 'the Dark Lord'... interesting to say the least!
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#33: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-24 01:42:54 by nospam

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:d4ltb2dp3vsikfn3flc6dg0v5mf2970241&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">d4ltb2dp3vsikfn3flc6dg0v5mf2970241&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;,
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&gt;On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:58:32 -0400, &quot;baineschile&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:devilnawf&#64;aol.com" target="_blank">devilnawf&#64;aol.com</a>&gt;
&gt;wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;Thirdly, is Snape. Many people havent considered this, but Snapes
&gt;&gt;&quot;allegiance&quot; is going to answer a critical question...if LV or dumbledore
&gt;&gt;is a more powerful wizard. They both obviously trust him, and we dont know
&gt;&gt;the outcome yet. My bet....its on dumbledore.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;My bet is that Snape is loyal to no one but Snape.

I just took a look at the &quot;Flight of the Prince&quot; scene in HPatHBP.
I think Snape's line &quot;No unforgivable curses from you, Potter&quot; was
telling. Snape blocks someone else from Crucio'ing Harry. Snape
could have brought Harry to V on a platter with an apple stuffed in
his mouth, but he doesn't, and he doesn't let any of the other
Death Eaters do so either.

How about this possibility: Dumbledore once made Snape swear an
Unbreakable Vow that he would protect Harry, not just from harm,
but from ever using one of the Unforgivable Curses. He did not
make Snape swear any such vow against harming Dumbledore himself.

OK, weirder yet: Snape can do psychic tricks, perhaps there was some
sort of secret communication from DD to SS at the very end, something
like &quot;I'm done for, Sevrus. Make it look good.&quot;

&gt;&gt;Harry WILL return to hogwartz.
&gt;
&gt;Most likely. My bet is that when he returns he finds the school
&gt;mostly empty of students. And we will return to Hogwarts at the end
&gt;of the story to see it, once again filled with students and back to
&gt;normal.

Harry is target number one. I can't see him returning to Hogwarts,
or the board of governors letting him, until Voldemort is dead.

&gt;From the book: &quot;There might still be as many as four Horcruxes out
&gt;there somewhere and each would need to be found and eliminated before
&gt;there was even a possibility that Voldemort could be killed. He kept

Nonsense. Voldemort was &quot;killed&quot;, and spent a decade &quot;mostly dead&quot;,
without the destruction of the Horcruxes last time. Far easier to
find them and get rid of them when V is in that state.

&gt;The locket should be easy to find. So that should leave three
&gt;horcruxes to find.

If RAB could get the locket, he or she must be a powerful wizard.
There is a good chance that RAB succeeded in destroying it.

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#34: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-24 04:17:01 by nospam

In article &lt;YJawg.1017$<a href="mailto:b9.886&#64;fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk" target="_blank">b9.886&#64;fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk</a>&gt;,
DaveD &lt;<a href="mailto:davedn1DELETE&#64;THESEblueyonderBITS.co.uk" target="_blank">davedn1DELETE&#64;THESEblueyonderBITS.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&quot;Mauro&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Spamblock&#64;spamblock.com" target="_blank">Spamblock&#64;spamblock.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm not very familiar with the British education system. In the real
&gt;Great
&gt;&gt; Britain, would someone be allowed to take the tests late, or to retake
&gt;them?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Erm, I'm not quite sure how to break this to you (you might want to sit
&gt;down...) but even though the books are set in Great Britain, we don't
&gt;actually have NEWTs - or even OWLs!! The books aren't actually real :)
&gt;
&gt;Sorry, couldn't resist! In GB we have GCSEs (usually taken at school at 16)
&gt;and A-levels (taken at 18) - but both can be taken later or retaken. HTH.

More to the point, did some people find their education...irregular...
when London was being bombed to pieces? Were allowances made later to
compensate for this? Wizarding Britain is in a similar situation.

BTW, does the rest of the Wizarding world care much? Are the Death
Eaters going after anyone on the continent?

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#35: Re: Book 7: What I know, What I think, and What I hope

Posted on 2006-07-24 04:39:00 by drusilla

Paul Ciszek escribió:
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&gt;&gt; &quot;Mauro&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Spamblock&#64;spamblock.com" target="_blank">Spamblock&#64;spamblock.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm not very familiar with the British education system. In the real
&gt;&gt; Great
&gt;&gt;&gt; Britain, would someone be allowed to take the tests late, or to retake
&gt;&gt; them?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Erm, I'm not quite sure how to break this to you (you might want to sit
&gt;&gt; down...) but even though the books are set in Great Britain, we don't
&gt;&gt; actually have NEWTs - or even OWLs!! The books aren't actually real :)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Sorry, couldn't resist! In GB we have GCSEs (usually taken at school at 16)
&gt;&gt; and A-levels (taken at 18) - but both can be taken later or retaken. HTH.
&gt;
&gt; More to the point, did some people find their education...irregular...
&gt; when London was being bombed to pieces? Were allowances made later to
&gt; compensate for this? Wizarding Britain is in a similar situation.
&gt;
&gt; BTW, does the rest of the Wizarding world care much? Are the Death
&gt; Eaters going after anyone on the continent?

IICR, it was said something like DD needed Charlie still working at
Romania as he needed members of the Order in other. Madame Maxime was
also involved, and probably Krum as well. So, it might be that some
other countries are quite aware that there is some sort of danger from UK.

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