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#1: 'The Joy of Sect' - were there any repercussions?

Posted on 2006-07-13 23:04:34 by R Flowers

Reflecting on past threads 'why doesn't The Simpsons have a Muslim
character' led me to South Park (they're re-running that 2-parter where
Muhammed is cut from the screen). Which led me to remember Isaac Hayes
quitting South Park after the 'closet' episode.

I am assuming that 'The Joy of Sect' was pretty much about Scientology,
although it could be argued that it was about cults in general. Does anyone
know if the Church of Scientology took offense? Or any Scientologists that
work on 'The Simpsons?' I know they can be quite vociferous when roused.

-- R Flowers

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#2: Re: 'The Joy of Sect' - were there any repercussions?

Posted on 2006-07-14 02:36:56 by Don Del Grande

R Flowers wrote:

>I am assuming that 'The Joy of Sect' was pretty much about Scientology,
>although it could be argued that it was about cults in general. Does anyone
>know if the Church of Scientology took offense? Or any Scientologists that
>work on 'The Simpsons?' I know they can be quite vociferous when roused.

Nancy Cartwright is an outspoken Scientologist, as I recall, but I
don't remember her making any comments about it.

-- Don

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#3: Re: 'The Joy of Sect' - were there any repercussions?

Posted on 2006-07-14 04:02:39 by et472

&quot;R Flowers&quot; (<a href="mailto:rflowers&#64;Tinbowlinggreen.com" target="_blank">rflowers&#64;Tinbowlinggreen.com</a>) writes:
&gt; Reflecting on past threads 'why doesn't The Simpsons have a Muslim
&gt; character' led me to South Park (they're re-running that 2-parter where
&gt; Muhammed is cut from the screen). Which led me to remember Isaac Hayes
&gt; quitting South Park after the 'closet' episode.
&gt;
&gt; I am assuming that 'The Joy of Sect' was pretty much about Scientology,
&gt; although it could be argued that it was about cults in general. Does anyone
&gt; know if the Church of Scientology took offense? Or any Scientologists that
&gt; work on 'The Simpsons?' I know they can be quite vociferous when roused.
&gt;
I never got the impression that it was about Scientology. The actual cult
seemed too much like other cults that worshipped someone and communally.
The Rajneeshes (I've spelled that wrong, but the cult that had a big commune
in Oregon, and all dressed in red) fit the bill. The Moonies, at least
in the early days (I don't know how much they've changed in recent years,
but of course there was a famous book, &quot;Moonwebs&quot; by Josh Freed about his
friend Benji who got hooked into the Moonies, and the kidnapped him and
made into the film &quot;Ticket to Heaven&quot;). Probably the &quot;Children of God&quot;
would have made a good model for the episode. Locally, there are
the Raelians, who are combination sex cult and flying saucer cult.

I see nothing specific in the episode that says Scientology. It sounds
more like you are making the connection simply because Scientology they
may be the most prominent cult these days. There doesn't seem to be
the level of worship of L. Ron Hubbard that other cults have to their
leader and the rural commune doesn't fit. And of course, the key part
of Scientology is the psycho-babble, and that's not part of the episode.

Michael

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#4: Re: 'The Joy of Sect' - were there any repercussions?

Posted on 2006-07-15 00:41:50 by andrew.upton4

What was that mob who had David Koresh as their leader and they all commited
suicide ?
Who were they ?
&quot;Michael Black&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:et472&#64;FreeNet.Carleton.CA" target="_blank">et472&#64;FreeNet.Carleton.CA</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; &quot;R Flowers&quot; (<a href="mailto:rflowers&#64;Tinbowlinggreen.com" target="_blank">rflowers&#64;Tinbowlinggreen.com</a>) writes:
&gt;&gt; Reflecting on past threads 'why doesn't The Simpsons have a Muslim
&gt;&gt; character' led me to South Park (they're re-running that 2-parter where
&gt;&gt; Muhammed is cut from the screen). Which led me to remember Isaac Hayes
&gt;&gt; quitting South Park after the 'closet' episode.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I am assuming that 'The Joy of Sect' was pretty much about Scientology,
&gt;&gt; although it could be argued that it was about cults in general. Does
&gt;&gt; anyone
&gt;&gt; know if the Church of Scientology took offense? Or any Scientologists
&gt;&gt; that
&gt;&gt; work on 'The Simpsons?' I know they can be quite vociferous when roused.
&gt;&gt;
&gt; I never got the impression that it was about Scientology. The actual cult
&gt; seemed too much like other cults that worshipped someone and communally.
&gt; The Rajneeshes (I've spelled that wrong, but the cult that had a big
&gt; commune
&gt; in Oregon, and all dressed in red) fit the bill. The Moonies, at least
&gt; in the early days (I don't know how much they've changed in recent years,
&gt; but of course there was a famous book, &quot;Moonwebs&quot; by Josh Freed about his
&gt; friend Benji who got hooked into the Moonies, and the kidnapped him and
&gt; made into the film &quot;Ticket to Heaven&quot;). Probably the &quot;Children of God&quot;
&gt; would have made a good model for the episode. Locally, there are
&gt; the Raelians, who are combination sex cult and flying saucer cult.
&gt;
&gt; I see nothing specific in the episode that says Scientology. It sounds
&gt; more like you are making the connection simply because Scientology they
&gt; may be the most prominent cult these days. There doesn't seem to be
&gt; the level of worship of L. Ron Hubbard that other cults have to their
&gt; leader and the rural commune doesn't fit. And of course, the key part
&gt; of Scientology is the psycho-babble, and that's not part of the episode.
&gt;
&gt; Michael
&gt;
&gt;

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#5: Re: 'The Joy of Sect' - were there any repercussions?

Posted on 2006-07-15 01:23:40 by R Flowers

&quot;Andy Upton&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:andrew.upton4&#64;ntlworld.com" target="_blank">andrew.upton4&#64;ntlworld.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; What was that mob who had David Koresh as their leader and they all
&gt; commited suicide ?
&gt; Who were they ?

The Branch Davidians - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidians" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidians</a>

And as far as suicide... it wasn't the &quot;Heaven's Gate&quot; variety. Some would
argue it was not suicide at all. They holed up in their compound until the
ATF raided the place. Then they set fire to the building, or the ATF did,
depending on whom you want to believe. There were survivors.

-- R Flowers

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#6: Re: 'The Joy of Sect' - were there any repercussions?

Posted on 2006-07-22 14:01:02 by tffl

&quot;R Flowers&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rflowers&#64;Tinbowlinggreen.com" target="_blank">rflowers&#64;Tinbowlinggreen.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Reflecting on past threads 'why doesn't The Simpsons have a Muslim
&gt; character' led me to South Park (they're re-running that 2-parter where
&gt; Muhammed is cut from the screen). Which led me to remember Isaac Hayes
&gt; quitting South Park after the 'closet' episode.
&gt;
&gt; I am assuming that 'The Joy of Sect' was pretty much about Scientology,
&gt; although it could be argued that it was about cults in general. Does
&gt; anyone know if the Church of Scientology took offense? Or any
&gt; Scientologists that work on 'The Simpsons?' I know they can be quite
&gt; vociferous when roused.

The episode seems to be a take on all &quot;UFO religions&quot; from an outsider's
perspective, as there are parrallels to more than one of these cults
throughout the episode. Including mass suicide suggestions in the episode
was probably too risky at the time, since it wasn't aired long after the
Heaven's Gate suicides (not that I can imagine the press having a
sympathetical stance, more likely &quot;so some wackos have topped themselves...
WHOOPIE SHIT&quot;), plus the show used to draw the line.

I can't remember there being any backlash. If anyone stood up, they probably
weren't taken seriously.

--btm

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