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#1: Re: Was there a FA Rhun vassal state?

Posted on 2006-07-16 01:23:46 by bredband.net

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&gt; And by &quot;take back all his ancient realm&quot;, we should guess this means all
&gt; of Rhovanion, up to the Celduin, because that was the height of Gondor's
&gt; power, right?

That is defintiely how I interpret it.

Öjevind

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#2: Re: Was there a FA Rhun vassal state?

Posted on 2006-07-16 07:14:56 by Phlip

Öjevind Lång wrote:

&gt;&gt; And by &quot;take back all his ancient realm&quot;, we should guess this means all
&gt;&gt; of Rhovanion, up to the Celduin, because that was the height of Gondor's
&gt;&gt; power, right?
&gt;
&gt; That is defintiely how I interpret it.

And there's the small matter of North Mordor itself, though I wouldn't
volunteer for the homesteaders' options...

About the serious aspects of Elendur's question about the Dwarves of Erebor
defecting from a Pax Gondorin...

Dwarves, especially Longbeards, are long-lived. So they would probably
prefer to remain faithful to a long-lived and stable Numenorean dynasty. In
preference to an eastern nation that could change its own allegiances many
times during a Dwarf king's reign, each time some immature brat succeeds to
a throne.

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#3: Re: Was there a FA Rhun vassal state?

Posted on 2006-07-16 16:44:05 by bredband.net

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&gt; And there's the small matter of North Mordor itself, though I wouldn't
&gt; volunteer for the homesteaders' options...

I doubt that *anybody* lived in that wasteland after the fall of Sauron.
Ashes and pollution. All the food had to be transported there from the lands
around Nurnen. It was garrison country, nothing more.

&gt; About the serious aspects of Elendur's question about the Dwarves of
&gt; Erebor defecting from a Pax Gondorin...
&gt;
&gt; Dwarves, especially Longbeards, are long-lived. So they would probably &gt;
&gt; prefer to remain faithful to a long-lived and stable Numenorean dynasty.
&gt; In preference to an eastern nation that could change its own allegiances
&gt; many times during a Dwarf king's reign, each time some immature brat
&gt; succeeds to a throne.

I get the impression that Tolkien thought the dwarf-kingdoms remained
independent but allied to Gondor, just like Rohan. The wars east of Rhûn and
south of Ithilien were in response to renewed attacks there. For the rest,
there were so many abandoned areas to settle or resettle: South Ithilien,
Harondor, Minhiriath, Enedwaith, the North Kingdom itself - that I very much
doubt that anyone was displaced. On the contrary, settlers would have been
very much in demand, and I doubt that the rise in births in Gondor sufficed
alone.
I know this is a rather idealistic idea of how an empire works, but it is
fairly clear that it is how Tolkien envisaged it.

Öjevind

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#4: Re: Was there a FA Rhun vassal state?

Posted on 2006-07-16 16:52:11 by Phlip

Öjevind Lång wrote:

&gt; I know this is a rather idealistic idea of how an empire works, but it is
&gt; fairly clear that it is how Tolkien envisaged it.

Are y'all citing a HOME book with a sketch of the post-LOTR situation?

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#5: Re: Was there a FA Rhun vassal state?

Posted on 2006-07-16 17:37:15 by elendur

&lt;&lt;=D6jevind L=E5ng wrote: Are y'all citing a HOME book with a sketch of
the post-LOTR situation?&gt;&gt;

No, I am not. I was looking at the map of Middle Earth; Gondor=B4s long
and presumably indefensible border (Anduin); the excellent river link
between Dale and Iron Hills on the one hand and Rhun on the other. For
Elessar, Khand and Rhun are a foreign policy problem: how to keep them
down and out? Answer: bribe the Dwarves and Men of Dale with
preferential trade down those two rivers.

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#6: Re: Was there a FA Rhun vassal state?

Posted on 2006-07-16 17:58:36 by Christopher Kreuzer

elendur &lt;<a href="mailto:elendur&#64;arcor.de" target="_blank">elendur&#64;arcor.de</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &lt;&lt;Öjevind Lång wrote: Are y'all citing a HOME book with a sketch of
&gt; the post-LOTR situation?&gt;&gt;

Careful. Phlip wrote that, not Ojevind. :-)

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#7: Re: Was there a FA Rhun vassal state?

Posted on 2006-07-20 04:55:25 by Flame of the West

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
&gt; elendur &lt;<a href="mailto:elendur&#64;arcor.de" target="_blank">elendur&#64;arcor.de</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; &lt;&lt;Öjevind Lång wrote: Are y'all citing a HOME book with a sketch of
&gt;&gt; the post-LOTR situation?&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Careful. Phlip wrote that, not Ojevind. :-)

Öjevind *never* says &quot;y'all&quot;, even though he is from southern Sweden.


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