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#1: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-14 16:38:43 by The Saint

There were 4 Jedi Knights that went to arrest Palpatine. However, the 3
Knigts other than Mace Windu did not fight like Knights at all but like
Padawans. One of the three did hold out for 10 seconds but that is
nothing to be proud of. Who were these 3 warriors (losers)?

Imagine if a sherrif and his 3 deputies went to arrest a powerful mob
boss and they entered the room with their guns already drawn. The mob
boss stood up to greet them and when the sherrif and his 3 deputies
announce their intention to arrest the mob boss pulls out a pistol.

He pulls out his pistol and says, "So be it" and he levels his pistol
in a split second at the head of one of the deputies. How in the world
can the other 3 be caught off guard, or freeze in such a manner? There
you have a gun drawn on a powerful mob boss and he pulls a gun out,
wouldn't your reflex be to level your own weapon at his head and yell,
"Freeze!"??

How could you let him not only pull his gun out but after the brief
moment of shock he shoots one deputy in the head, killing him
instantly. WOuldn't the other 2 deputies and the sheriff by now have
the time to react and fire their weapons at the mon boss?

I don't get it, who were the three stooges that did this? One was Kit
Fisto but I don't know the other two. What losers they were. It was a
weak scene. Perhaps a similar sword-fight scene to that found in Kill
Bill 1 would have been more impressive. Uma Thurman took out 88 thugs
in 15 minutes. Couldn't Palpatine had dispatched the first three
stooges in 3 minutes instead of three seconds?

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#2: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-14 22:58:35 by Anybody

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1152887923.858297.133440&#64;i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1152887923.858297.133440&#64;i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
&quot;The Saint&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ConradMaier&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">ConradMaier&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; There were 4 Jedi Knights that went to arrest Palpatine. However, the 3
&gt; Knigts other than Mace Windu did not fight like Knights at all but like
&gt; Padawans. One of the three did hold out for 10 seconds but that is
&gt; nothing to be proud of. Who were these 3 warriors (losers)?
&gt;
&gt; Imagine if a sherrif and his 3 deputies went to arrest a powerful mob
&gt; boss and they entered the room with their guns already drawn. The mob
&gt; boss stood up to greet them and when the sherrif and his 3 deputies
&gt; announce their intention to arrest the mob boss pulls out a pistol.
&gt;
&gt; He pulls out his pistol and says, &quot;So be it&quot; and he levels his pistol
&gt; in a split second at the head of one of the deputies. How in the world
&gt; can the other 3 be caught off guard, or freeze in such a manner? There
&gt; you have a gun drawn on a powerful mob boss and he pulls a gun out,
&gt; wouldn't your reflex be to level your own weapon at his head and yell,
&gt; &quot;Freeze!&quot;??
&gt;
&gt; How could you let him not only pull his gun out but after the brief
&gt; moment of shock he shoots one deputy in the head, killing him
&gt; instantly. WOuldn't the other 2 deputies and the sheriff by now have
&gt; the time to react and fire their weapons at the mon boss?
&gt;
&gt; I don't get it, who were the three stooges that did this? One was Kit
&gt; Fisto but I don't know the other two. What losers they were. It was a
&gt; weak scene. Perhaps a similar sword-fight scene to that found in Kill
&gt; Bill 1 would have been more impressive. Uma Thurman took out 88 thugs
&gt; in 15 minutes. Couldn't Palpatine had dispatched the first three
&gt; stooges in 3 minutes instead of three seconds?

Oh dear, here we go again. Troll??

The had spent decades seeing Palaptine as a simple, old man who was
kind and considerate to everyone. They were simply over-whelmed and
surprised at his drastic and quick change - it's called shock, and can
easily make people freeze, even well trained soldiers. There's
absolutely nothing wrong with that scene, despite what some fools try
to tell you.

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#3: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-15 00:09:30 by jjbinks

Anybody wrote:
&gt; There's
&gt; absolutely nothing wrong with that scene, despite what some fools try
&gt; to tell you.

It was a lame scene. Lucas makes these movies frame-by-frame and it
still sucked. The dumbest part is Mace just says 'you're under arrest'.
20 seconds earlier he didn't believe Anakin that Palps was the Sith.
They were supposed to ask him to give control of the Republic back to
the Senate. That should have been one of the coolest scenes in the
entire 6 movies, but Lucas fudged it.

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#4: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-15 05:07:39 by Anybody

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1152914970.536281.104540&#64;h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1152914970.536281.104540&#64;h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
<a href="mailto:jjbinks&#64;my-deja.com" target="_blank">jjbinks&#64;my-deja.com</a> wrote:

&gt; Anybody wrote:
&gt; &gt; There's
&gt; &gt; absolutely nothing wrong with that scene, despite what some fools try
&gt; &gt; to tell you.
&gt;
&gt; It was a lame scene. Lucas makes these movies frame-by-frame and it
&gt; still sucked. The dumbest part is Mace just says 'you're under arrest'.
&gt; 20 seconds earlier he didn't believe Anakin that Palps was the Sith.
&gt; They were supposed to ask him to give control of the Republic back to
&gt; the Senate. That should have been one of the coolest scenes in the
&gt; entire 6 movies, but Lucas fudged it.

Damn! I knew I should have said &quot;nothing REALISTICALLY wrong&quot;. Of
course some people will have differing opinions about the ARTISTIC
nature of the scene. :-\

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#5: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-15 09:17:47 by Muse Gruppes

<a href="mailto:jjbinks&#64;my-deja.com" target="_blank">jjbinks&#64;my-deja.com</a> wrote:
&gt; Anybody wrote:
&gt;&gt; There's
&gt;&gt; absolutely nothing wrong with that scene, despite what some fools try
&gt;&gt; to tell you.
&gt;
&gt; It was a lame scene. Lucas makes these movies frame-by-frame and it
&gt; still sucked. The dumbest part is Mace just says 'you're under arrest'.
&gt; 20 seconds earlier he didn't believe Anakin that Palps was the Sith.
&gt; They were supposed to ask him to give control of the Republic back to
&gt; the Senate. That should have been one of the coolest scenes in the
&gt; entire 6 movies, but Lucas fudged it.
&gt;
it WAS lame, as were the large number of holes in that film........... I
still loved it for having Ian McDiarmid in it. Otherwise it would have
been utter crap...

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#6: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-15 19:18:06 by Rocinante

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:58:35 +1200, Anybody wrote:

&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1152887923.858297.133440&#64;i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1152887923.858297.133440&#64;i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
&gt; &quot;The Saint&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ConradMaier&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">ConradMaier&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; There were 4 Jedi Knights that went to arrest Palpatine. However, the 3
&gt;&gt; Knigts other than Mace Windu did not fight like Knights at all but like
&gt;&gt; Padawans. One of the three did hold out for 10 seconds but that is
&gt;&gt; nothing to be proud of. Who were these 3 warriors (losers)?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Imagine if a sherrif and his 3 deputies went to arrest a powerful mob
&gt;&gt; boss and they entered the room with their guns already drawn. The mob
&gt;&gt; boss stood up to greet them and when the sherrif and his 3 deputies
&gt;&gt; announce their intention to arrest the mob boss pulls out a pistol.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; He pulls out his pistol and says, &quot;So be it&quot; and he levels his pistol
&gt;&gt; in a split second at the head of one of the deputies. How in the world
&gt;&gt; can the other 3 be caught off guard, or freeze in such a manner? There
&gt;&gt; you have a gun drawn on a powerful mob boss and he pulls a gun out,
&gt;&gt; wouldn't your reflex be to level your own weapon at his head and yell,
&gt;&gt; &quot;Freeze!&quot;??
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; How could you let him not only pull his gun out but after the brief
&gt;&gt; moment of shock he shoots one deputy in the head, killing him
&gt;&gt; instantly. WOuldn't the other 2 deputies and the sheriff by now have
&gt;&gt; the time to react and fire their weapons at the mon boss?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I don't get it, who were the three stooges that did this? One was Kit
&gt;&gt; Fisto but I don't know the other two. What losers they were. It was a
&gt;&gt; weak scene. Perhaps a similar sword-fight scene to that found in Kill
&gt;&gt; Bill 1 would have been more impressive. Uma Thurman took out 88 thugs
&gt;&gt; in 15 minutes. Couldn't Palpatine had dispatched the first three
&gt;&gt; stooges in 3 minutes instead of three seconds?
&gt;
&gt; Oh dear, here we go again. Troll??
&gt;
&gt; The had spent decades seeing Palaptine as a simple, old man who was
&gt; kind and considerate to everyone. They were simply over-whelmed and
&gt; surprised at his drastic and quick change - it's called shock, and can
&gt; easily make people freeze, even well trained soldiers. There's
&gt; absolutely nothing wrong with that scene, despite what some fools try
&gt; to tell you.

No, this security detail was made up of trained Jedi in a fantasy world.
They were not a bunch of 60 year old renta-cops from the real world. Lucas
made the mistake of projecting real-world scenarios to Jedi who were
supposed to always be ready because of their training and the roles they
were given. In addition, if they were not human (I don't recall which ones)
then that solidifies my point further.

--
When you work here, you can name your own salary. I named mine, &quot;Louie&quot;.

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7/15/2006 1:08:28 PM

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#7: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-15 23:25:45 by Anybody

In article &lt;72s2ortut3gl.1iob4i8p4dq6k$<a href="mailto:.dlg&#64;40tude.net" target="_blank">.dlg&#64;40tude.net</a>&gt;, Rocinante
&lt;<a href="mailto:RocinanteREMOVETHIS&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">RocinanteREMOVETHIS&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:58:35 +1200, Anybody wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1152887923.858297.133440&#64;i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1152887923.858297.133440&#64;i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
&gt; &gt; &quot;The Saint&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ConradMaier&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">ConradMaier&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; There were 4 Jedi Knights that went to arrest Palpatine. However, the 3
&gt; &gt;&gt; Knigts other than Mace Windu did not fight like Knights at all but like
&gt; &gt;&gt; Padawans. One of the three did hold out for 10 seconds but that is
&gt; &gt;&gt; nothing to be proud of. Who were these 3 warriors (losers)?
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Imagine if a sherrif and his 3 deputies went to arrest a powerful mob
&gt; &gt;&gt; boss and they entered the room with their guns already drawn. The mob
&gt; &gt;&gt; boss stood up to greet them and when the sherrif and his 3 deputies
&gt; &gt;&gt; announce their intention to arrest the mob boss pulls out a pistol.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; He pulls out his pistol and says, &quot;So be it&quot; and he levels his pistol
&gt; &gt;&gt; in a split second at the head of one of the deputies. How in the world
&gt; &gt;&gt; can the other 3 be caught off guard, or freeze in such a manner? There
&gt; &gt;&gt; you have a gun drawn on a powerful mob boss and he pulls a gun out,
&gt; &gt;&gt; wouldn't your reflex be to level your own weapon at his head and yell,
&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;Freeze!&quot;??
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; How could you let him not only pull his gun out but after the brief
&gt; &gt;&gt; moment of shock he shoots one deputy in the head, killing him
&gt; &gt;&gt; instantly. WOuldn't the other 2 deputies and the sheriff by now have
&gt; &gt;&gt; the time to react and fire their weapons at the mon boss?
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; I don't get it, who were the three stooges that did this? One was Kit
&gt; &gt;&gt; Fisto but I don't know the other two. What losers they were. It was a
&gt; &gt;&gt; weak scene. Perhaps a similar sword-fight scene to that found in Kill
&gt; &gt;&gt; Bill 1 would have been more impressive. Uma Thurman took out 88 thugs
&gt; &gt;&gt; in 15 minutes. Couldn't Palpatine had dispatched the first three
&gt; &gt;&gt; stooges in 3 minutes instead of three seconds?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Oh dear, here we go again. Troll??
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; The had spent decades seeing Palaptine as a simple, old man who was
&gt; &gt; kind and considerate to everyone. They were simply over-whelmed and
&gt; &gt; surprised at his drastic and quick change - it's called shock, and can
&gt; &gt; easily make people freeze, even well trained soldiers. There's
&gt; &gt; absolutely nothing wrong with that scene, despite what some fools try
&gt; &gt; to tell you.
&gt;
&gt; No, this security detail was made up of trained Jedi in a fantasy world.
&gt; They were not a bunch of 60 year old renta-cops from the real world. Lucas
&gt; made the mistake of projecting real-world scenarios to Jedi who were
&gt; supposed to always be ready because of their training and the roles they
&gt; were given. In addition, if they were not human (I don't recall which ones)
&gt; then that solidifies my point further.

Whatever you say. I can't be bothered going over the same ground YET
AGAIN. Believe whatever you want. :-\

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#8: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-16 02:01:16 by Todd

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:58:35 +1200, Anybody
&lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1152887923.858297.133440&#64;i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1152887923.858297.133440&#64;i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
&gt;&quot;The Saint&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ConradMaier&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">ConradMaier&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; There were 4 Jedi Knights that went to arrest Palpatine. However, the 3
&gt;&gt; Knigts other than Mace Windu did not fight like Knights at all but like
&gt;&gt; Padawans. One of the three did hold out for 10 seconds but that is
&gt;&gt; nothing to be proud of. Who were these 3 warriors (losers)?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Imagine if a sherrif and his 3 deputies went to arrest a powerful mob
&gt;&gt; boss and they entered the room with their guns already drawn. The mob
&gt;&gt; boss stood up to greet them and when the sherrif and his 3 deputies
&gt;&gt; announce their intention to arrest the mob boss pulls out a pistol.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; He pulls out his pistol and says, &quot;So be it&quot; and he levels his pistol
&gt;&gt; in a split second at the head of one of the deputies. How in the world
&gt;&gt; can the other 3 be caught off guard, or freeze in such a manner? There
&gt;&gt; you have a gun drawn on a powerful mob boss and he pulls a gun out,
&gt;&gt; wouldn't your reflex be to level your own weapon at his head and yell,
&gt;&gt; &quot;Freeze!&quot;??
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; How could you let him not only pull his gun out but after the brief
&gt;&gt; moment of shock he shoots one deputy in the head, killing him
&gt;&gt; instantly. WOuldn't the other 2 deputies and the sheriff by now have
&gt;&gt; the time to react and fire their weapons at the mon boss?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I don't get it, who were the three stooges that did this? One was Kit
&gt;&gt; Fisto but I don't know the other two. What losers they were. It was a
&gt;&gt; weak scene. Perhaps a similar sword-fight scene to that found in Kill
&gt;&gt; Bill 1 would have been more impressive. Uma Thurman took out 88 thugs
&gt;&gt; in 15 minutes. Couldn't Palpatine had dispatched the first three
&gt;&gt; stooges in 3 minutes instead of three seconds?
&gt;
&gt;Oh dear, here we go again. Troll??
&gt;
&gt;The had spent decades seeing Palaptine as a simple, old man who was
&gt;kind and considerate to everyone. They were simply over-whelmed and
&gt;surprised at his drastic and quick change - it's called shock, and can
&gt;easily make people freeze, even well trained soldiers. There's
&gt;absolutely nothing wrong with that scene, despite what some fools try
&gt;to tell you.


Oh lord, we're back to Anybody's bullshit theory already?

Battle hardened Jedi Masters don't &quot;freeze.&quot; End of story.

Todd

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#9: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-16 03:10:32 by Darth Mura

Todd wrote:


&gt; Oh lord, we're back to Anybody's bullshit theory already?

All you have to do is wait a few days and you're sure to step in one of
Anybody's asinine regurgitations.

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#10: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-17 01:48:03 by Gavo Fett

I haven't read the ROTS book, so I can't be sure about this but....

Palpatine was well versed in the dark side of the force.

Perhaps he had a particular skill that enabled him to &quot;slow down&quot; /
&quot;freeze&quot; / &quot;confound&quot; or otherwise impair the fighting ability of an
opponent.

Obviously we know that Yoda and Mace would be too powerful for this to
be used on, but as for the other masters... ...well, Palpatine had
surprise and many years of training/practice on his side.

No doubt his training would have involved real people, rather than the
remotes that the Jedi learn on most of the time.

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#11: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-17 02:15:36 by Anybody

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1153093683.125875.292700&#64;h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1153093683.125875.292700&#64;h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
&quot;Gavo Fett&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gavin.bollard&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">gavin.bollard&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; I haven't read the ROTS book, so I can't be sure about this but....

The book has a different version of the arrest sequence where Kit Fisto
lasts a bit longer.



&gt; Palpatine was well versed in the dark side of the force.
&gt;
&gt; Perhaps he had a particular skill that enabled him to &quot;slow down&quot; /
&gt; &quot;freeze&quot; / &quot;confound&quot; or otherwise impair the fighting ability of an
&gt; opponent.
&gt;
&gt; Obviously we know that Yoda and Mace would be too powerful for this to
&gt; be used on, but as for the other masters... ...well, Palpatine had
&gt; surprise and many years of training/practice on his side.

Ah, the old Dungeons &amp; Dragons Fear / Freeze spell, but Yoda and Mace
managed to make their &quot;saved&quot; dice throws. ;-)



&gt; No doubt his training would have involved real people, rather than the
&gt; remotes that the Jedi learn on most of the time.

The Jedi do train against each other as well, but a Jedi opponent isn't
going to be as ruthless and &quot;rule&quot; breaking as a Sith Lord. No Jedi has
had to face and fight a Sith Lord for a millennia until Darth Maul
shows up on Tatooine in Episode I.

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#12: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-17 03:49:49 by DKM

&quot;Anybody&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com" target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:170720061215367513%<a href="mailto:anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com..." target="_blank">anybody&#64;anywhere-anytime.com...</a>
&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1153093683.125875.292700&#64;h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1153093683.125875.292700&#64;h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
&gt; &quot;Gavo Fett&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gavin.bollard&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">gavin.bollard&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I haven't read the ROTS book, so I can't be sure about this but....
&gt;
&gt; The book has a different version of the arrest sequence where Kit Fisto
&gt; lasts a bit longer.
&gt;

I just don't think it was shot well. I think the idea was that Palpatine
was just too fast, but it didn't look that way. It might have played better
if the first two deaths were filmed in slow motion.

DKM

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#13: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-17 04:05:05 by JGordon452

Darth Mura wrote:
&gt; Todd wrote:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Oh lord, we're back to Anybody's bullshit theory already?
&gt;
&gt; All you have to do is wait a few days and you're sure to step in one of
&gt; Anybody's asinine regurgitations.

Want to take a bet on whether Anybody threatens to killfile someone in
this thread?

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#14: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-17 04:48:16 by Darth Mura

Nick Soapdish, Jr. wrote:
&gt; Darth Mura wrote:
&gt; &gt; Todd wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Oh lord, we're back to Anybody's bullshit theory already?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; All you have to do is wait a few days and you're sure to step in one of
&gt; &gt; Anybody's asinine regurgitations.
&gt;
&gt; Want to take a bet on whether Anybody threatens to killfile someone in
&gt; this thread?


That is if he can find time. He's a busy guy and doesn't have time to
fool around on usenet, you know.

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#15: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-17 05:41:29 by Gavo Fett

Yep... exactly D&amp;D style (isn't there a Star Wars RPG?). : )

I was thinking that the best thing to do (assuming there's no other
footage available) is.... to CGI Palpatine's hand in the beginning of
the shot with some sort of red hue (or ice effect) hitting the others
but dissolving quickly off Mace.

That way George can resolve the issue making Palps look stronger while
not affecting our overall impression of Jedi Masters.

If he could CGI a bit of &quot;shock&quot; onto their faces as well, it would
help.

Roll on ROTS version 2.0

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#16: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-17 06:03:08 by Gavo Fett

&gt; &gt; Perhaps he had a particular skill that enabled him to &quot;slow down&quot; /
&gt; &gt; &quot;freeze&quot; / &quot;confound&quot; or otherwise impair the fighting ability of an
&gt; &gt; opponent.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; Ah, the old Dungeons &amp; Dragons Fear / Freeze spell, but Yoda and Mace
&gt; managed to make their &quot;saved&quot; dice throws. ;-)

Yep, I guess that's sort of where I was going, though I was thinking
more in terms of ESB where Vader is able to hurl machinery at Luke.
Suppose you could &quot;wrap&quot; that force energy around someone (like a giant
fist) instead of simply hurling objects with it. (Or... if you'd
prefer, like a much bigger version of the Force Choke).

It could also explain why Palps just lies down and shoots lightning
into the air while being carried in ROTJ..

&gt;
&gt; &gt; No doubt his training would have involved real people, rather than the
&gt; &gt; remotes that the Jedi learn on most of the time.
&gt;
&gt; The Jedi do train against each other as well, but a Jedi opponent isn't
&gt; going to be as ruthless and &quot;rule&quot; breaking as a Sith Lord. No Jedi has
&gt; had to face and fight a Sith Lord for a millennia until Darth Maul
&gt; shows up on Tatooine in Episode I.


I'm aware that the Jedi train against eachother, though I doubt they do
really deadly things like Force Chokes on eachother... I'm sure that
would be disallowed. (and anyway it's a dark-side trait even though
Luke uses two in ROTJ).

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#17: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-17 16:46:20 by David Mooney

Good Point Gavo


&quot;Gavo Fett&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gavin.bollard&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">gavin.bollard&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Yep... exactly D&amp;D style (isn't there a Star Wars RPG?). : )
&gt;
&gt; I was thinking that the best thing to do (assuming there's no other
&gt; footage available) is.... to CGI Palpatine's hand in the beginning of
&gt; the shot with some sort of red hue (or ice effect) hitting the others
&gt; but dissolving quickly off Mace.
&gt;
&gt; That way George can resolve the issue making Palps look stronger while
&gt; not affecting our overall impression of Jedi Masters.
&gt;
&gt; If he could CGI a bit of &quot;shock&quot; onto their faces as well, it would
&gt; help.
&gt;
&gt; Roll on ROTS version 2.0
&gt;

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#18: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-18 02:33:47 by jjbinks

Gavo Fett wrote:

&gt;
&gt; I'm aware that the Jedi train against eachother, though I doubt they do
&gt; really deadly things like Force Chokes on eachother... I'm sure that
&gt; would be disallowed. (and anyway it's a dark-side trait even though
&gt; Luke uses two in ROTJ).

I'm trying to remember who Luke chokes...a pig guard for sure, who is
the other?

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#19: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-18 04:18:48 by Gavo Fett

<a href="mailto:jjbinks&#64;my-deja.com" target="_blank">jjbinks&#64;my-deja.com</a> wrote:
&gt;
&gt; I'm trying to remember who Luke chokes...a pig guard for sure, who is
&gt; the other?

Luke uses it on TWO gammorean guards in Jabba's palace.

I found this nice Wiki page that explains different force powers

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_powers" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_powers</a>

There's a few force powers in the list that Palpatine could have used
to &quot;freeze&quot; his arrestors. Force Grip/Force Choke and Crush as well as
Neural Storm, Drain, Mind Control, Crush Opposition. I've put these
descriptions at the end.

I also like the discussion re- Vader's inability to use lightning and
the deformities it visited upon Palpatine.


Neural Storm (disputed as dark side power, more neutral) - This
telepathic ability involved using psychic energy to overload a victim's
neural network, causing extreme but momentary disorientation.
Introduced by the Star Wars D20 System.

Drain - Same as Heal, except that the user drains the target's Force
reserve and/or health to fuel the regenerative process, or to replenish
their own strength in the Force.

Mind Control - A more advanced, and more malicious, form of
&quot;Persuasion/Suggestion&quot;, allowing one to enter another's mind and
control brain activity. Darth Sidious seems to have perfected this
ability to an extent not before seen.

Crush Opposition - Introduced in Knights of the Old Republic II, this
power is the direct opposite of the Light Side ability Inspire
Followers, directly sapping the opposition of its strength and will.

Stasis Field - Unless the targets resist successfully, all hostile
creatures within a certain radius of the Jedi become completely
paralyzed and vulnerable to attack. However, even those that manage to
shrug off this power become slowed, unable to attack or defend
effectively in battle.

Force Suppression- Certain Force powers are not instantaneous in
effect, but last for a period of time on a target. Examples of such
powers include but are not limited to Force Aura, Burst of Speed, and
Energy Resistance. Force Suppression instantly cancels such powers on
the target. The greater the user's skill in this ability, the stronger
the removed powers active on the target.

Burst of Speed - Makes the user able to maintain sprinting speeds (even
moving in awkward directions like backwards) for as long as the effect
lasts. Since Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast it seems that the power may
bend the subjective time of the user making everything seem slower.

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#20: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-18 05:42:08 by SpammersDie

&lt;<a href="mailto:jjbinks&#64;my-deja.com" target="_blank">jjbinks&#64;my-deja.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt; Gavo Fett wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm aware that the Jedi train against eachother, though I doubt they do
&gt;&gt; really deadly things like Force Chokes on eachother... I'm sure that
&gt;&gt; would be disallowed. (and anyway it's a dark-side trait even though
&gt;&gt; Luke uses two in ROTJ).
&gt;
&gt; I'm trying to remember who Luke chokes...a pig guard for sure, who is
&gt; the other?

The pig guard's twin sister. Rewatch that scene and you'll see.

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#21: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-19 03:06:06 by Todd

On 17 Jul 2006 19:18:48 -0700, &quot;Gavo Fett&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gavin.bollard&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">gavin.bollard&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;
&gt;<a href="mailto:jjbinks&#64;my-deja.com" target="_blank">jjbinks&#64;my-deja.com</a> wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm trying to remember who Luke chokes...a pig guard for sure, who is
&gt;&gt; the other?
&gt;
&gt;Luke uses it on TWO gammorean guards in Jabba's palace.
&gt;
&gt;I found this nice Wiki page that explains different force powers
&gt;
&gt;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_powers" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_powers</a>
&gt;
&gt;There's a few force powers in the list that Palpatine could have used
&gt;to &quot;freeze&quot; his arrestors. Force Grip/Force Choke and Crush as well as
&gt;Neural Storm, Drain, Mind Control, Crush Opposition. I've put these
&gt;descriptions at the end.
&gt;
&gt;I also like the discussion re- Vader's inability to use lightning and
&gt;the deformities it visited upon Palpatine.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Neural Storm (disputed as dark side power, more neutral) - This
&gt;telepathic ability involved using psychic energy to overload a victim's
&gt;neural network, causing extreme but momentary disorientation.
&gt;Introduced by the Star Wars D20 System.
&gt;
&gt;Drain - Same as Heal, except that the user drains the target's Force
&gt;reserve and/or health to fuel the regenerative process, or to replenish
&gt;their own strength in the Force.
&gt;
&gt;Mind Control - A more advanced, and more malicious, form of
&gt;&quot;Persuasion/Suggestion&quot;, allowing one to enter another's mind and
&gt;control brain activity. Darth Sidious seems to have perfected this
&gt;ability to an extent not before seen.
&gt;
&gt;Crush Opposition - Introduced in Knights of the Old Republic II, this
&gt;power is the direct opposite of the Light Side ability Inspire
&gt;Followers, directly sapping the opposition of its strength and will.
&gt;
&gt;Stasis Field - Unless the targets resist successfully, all hostile
&gt;creatures within a certain radius of the Jedi become completely
&gt;paralyzed and vulnerable to attack. However, even those that manage to
&gt;shrug off this power become slowed, unable to attack or defend
&gt;effectively in battle.
&gt;
&gt;Force Suppression- Certain Force powers are not instantaneous in
&gt;effect, but last for a period of time on a target. Examples of such
&gt;powers include but are not limited to Force Aura, Burst of Speed, and
&gt;Energy Resistance. Force Suppression instantly cancels such powers on
&gt;the target. The greater the user's skill in this ability, the stronger
&gt;the removed powers active on the target.
&gt;
&gt;Burst of Speed - Makes the user able to maintain sprinting speeds (even
&gt;moving in awkward directions like backwards) for as long as the effect
&gt;lasts. Since Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast it seems that the power may
&gt;bend the subjective time of the user making everything seem slower.


Interesting information. However, there's no evidence that Larry,
Moe, and Curly were impaired in any way when they went up against
Sidious. I just think it was a bad directorial move to waste this
great opportunity to show off Sidious's talents.

Todd

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#22: Re: question from newbie

Posted on 2006-07-20 01:58:00 by Gavo Fett

Yep, I think it falls into the Jar Jar category of bad choices.

But unlike JJ, this mistake is easily fixed.


Todd wrote:
&gt; Interesting information. However, there's no evidence that Larry,
&gt; Moe, and Curly were impaired in any way when they went up against
&gt; Sidious. I just think it was a bad directorial move to waste this
&gt; great opportunity to show off Sidious's talents.
&gt;
&gt; Todd

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