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#1: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-11 04:32:24 by jkarrah

<a href="http://www.scifi.com/sfw/news/sfw_news_20060710.html" target="_blank">http://www.scifi.com/sfw/news/sfw_news_20060710.html</a>

Author Margaret Weis told SCI FI Wire that the upcoming film version of her
book Dragons of Autumn Twilight necessarily cuts a lot of the book's plot to
make it fit into 90 minutes, but, she added: &quot;I read the script, and I like
it. It's very faithful to the book.&quot; Dragons of Autumn Twilight, the first
in the Dragonlance series of books, is being adapted into an animated film
written by George Strayton and directed by Will Meugniot.

Weis added in an interview that she and her co-author, Tracy Hickman, always
hoped that the series would be made into movies. &quot;While we working on the
book 20 years ago, Tracy and I used to joke, 'This scene would look great in
the movie!'&quot; Weis said. &quot;And now it will.&quot; How does she feel about the
upcoming production? &quot;Very pleased. Very excited. And a little nervous.&quot;

The series of books is based on the universe of the Dungeons &amp; Dragons
role-playing games. Dragons of Autumn Twilight begins with a group of
adventurers who seek the truth about missing gods, then become involved in a
quest to learn more about a staff with the power to heal. The series grew to
more than 100 titles. Weis co-wrote 10 novels and wrote several by herself.
She has also edited stories for Dragonlance anthologies.

The Dragonlance &quot;world is fantastical, romantic, with lots of political
intrigue and characters people can relate to,&quot; Weis said. &quot;The heroes are
not kings or princes. They are ordinary people-middle-class working
types-who get caught up in extraordinary situations. And, of course, there
are dragons.&quot; -Carol Pinchefsky





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#2: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-11 09:13:14 by Pyros Rutilicus

At Tue, 11 Jul 2006 02:32:24 GMT, &quot;J'Karrah EbonDragon&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; hissed:

&lt;chomp&gt;
&gt; Dragons of
&gt; Autumn Twilight, the first in the Dragonlance series of books, is
&gt; being adapted into an animated film written by George Strayton and
&gt; directed by Will Meugniot.

Wow, I remember hearing the rumors about such a thing since...basically
forever. ]:-8)~ I'm surprised it's finally happening, although it
probably shouldn't be *that* big a surprise that there's been a wave of
fantasy-themed movies coming out of Hollywood in the wake of LOTR and
Harry Potter.

It *is* animated rather than live-action, which makes me concerned that
it might become a kids' movie. The original novel doesn't seem to
specifically target adults, but I wouldn't label it a children's book
either. Still, I might see the movie at some point (although right now
it's still a ways off). (Rot13 the spoiler: ) Nyfb, nyy gur qentbaf va
guvf obbx ner rivy--jr qba'g zrrg gur tbbq qentbaf hagvy gur frdhry...

Movie website: <a href="http://www.dragonlance-movie.com/" target="_blank">http://www.dragonlance-movie.com/</a>

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#3: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-11 13:44:56 by Scott L

On 11-Jul-2006, Pyros Rutilicus
&lt;<a href="mailto:pyrosrutilicusNO&#64;gmailSPAM.comORIWILLEATYOU" target="_blank">pyrosrutilicusNO&#64;gmailSPAM.comORIWILLEATYOU</a>&gt; intimated:

&gt; &gt; Dragons of
&gt; &gt; Autumn Twilight, the first in the Dragonlance series of books, is
&gt; &gt; being adapted into an animated film written by George Strayton and
&gt; &gt; directed by Will Meugniot.
&gt;
&gt; Wow, I remember hearing the rumors about such a thing since...basically
&gt; forever. ]:-8)~ I'm surprised it's finally happening, although it
&gt; probably shouldn't be *that* big a surprise that there's been a wave of
&gt; fantasy-themed movies coming out of Hollywood in the wake of LOTR and
&gt; Harry Potter.

I'm thinking the series has enough subplots they could just as easily
convert to a tv series. Maybe we'll get lucky, they'll do a good job of
Autumn Twilight, and use it to launch just such a series?

Just a Monkey,

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#4: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-12 01:06:58 by Arcaton

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&gt;
&gt; On 11-Jul-2006, Pyros Rutilicus
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:pyrosrutilicusNO&#64;gmailSPAM.comORIWILLEATYOU" target="_blank">pyrosrutilicusNO&#64;gmailSPAM.comORIWILLEATYOU</a>&gt; intimated:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Dragons of
&gt; &gt; &gt; Autumn Twilight, the first in the Dragonlance series of books, is
&gt; &gt; &gt; being adapted into an animated film written by George Strayton and
&gt; &gt; &gt; directed by Will Meugniot.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Wow, I remember hearing the rumors about such a thing since...basically
&gt; &gt; forever. ]:-8)~ I'm surprised it's finally happening, although it
&gt; &gt; probably shouldn't be *that* big a surprise that there's been a wave of
&gt; &gt; fantasy-themed movies coming out of Hollywood in the wake of LOTR and
&gt; &gt; Harry Potter.
&gt;
&gt; I'm thinking the series has enough subplots they could just as easily
&gt; convert to a tv series. Maybe we'll get lucky, they'll do a good job of
&gt; Autumn Twilight, and use it to launch just such a series?

Betcha it's merely Krynn-ge worthy.

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#5: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-12 06:45:39 by jkarrah

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&gt;
&gt; It *is* animated rather than live-action, which makes me concerned that
&gt; it might become a kids' movie. The original novel doesn't seem to
&gt; specifically target adults, but I wouldn't label it a children's book
&gt; either. Still, I might see the movie at some point (although right now
&gt; it's still a ways off).

Animated nowadays doesn't necessarily mean &quot;kids,&quot; though. Ever see the
animated movie &quot;Heavy Metal&quot;? Definitely *not* a kid-friendly movie. And
for something a little more &quot;modern&quot; there was &quot;Final Fantasy: The Spirit
Within&quot; while not R-rated like heavy Metal I wouldn't call it a kid's movie
exactly, either. but all we can do is wait and see :)

&gt; (Rot13 the spoiler: ) Nyfb, nyy gur qentbaf va
&gt; guvf obbx ner rivy--jr qba'g zrrg gur tbbq qentbaf hagvy gur frdhry...

huh...?



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#6: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-12 07:59:08 by Pyros Rutilicus

At Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:45:39 GMT, &quot;J'Karrah EbonDragon&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; hissed:

&gt;
&gt; &quot;Pyros Rutilicus&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:pyrosrutilicusNO&#64;gmailSPAM.comORIWILLEATYOU" target="_blank">pyrosrutilicusNO&#64;gmailSPAM.comORIWILLEATYOU</a>&gt; wrote
&gt; in message news:<a href="mailto:Xns97FD1BB8B549pyrosrutilicushotmai&#64;207.115.17.102..." target="_blank">Xns97FD1BB8B549pyrosrutilicushotmai&#64;207.115.17.102...</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; It *is* animated rather than live-action, which makes me concerned
&gt;&gt; that it might become a kids' movie. The original novel doesn't seem
&gt;&gt; to specifically target adults, but I wouldn't label it a children's
&gt;&gt; book either. Still, I might see the movie at some point (although
&gt;&gt; right now it's still a ways off).
&gt;
&gt; Animated nowadays doesn't necessarily mean &quot;kids,&quot; though. Ever see
&gt; the animated movie &quot;Heavy Metal&quot;? Definitely *not* a kid-friendly
&gt; movie. And for something a little more &quot;modern&quot; there was &quot;Final
&gt; Fantasy: The Spirit Within&quot; while not R-rated like heavy Metal I
&gt; wouldn't call it a kid's movie exactly, either. but all we can do is
&gt; wait and see :)

exactly. I'm not writing it off or anything. I'm just a little
concerned, since the majority of animated films *are* for children.

&gt;&gt; (Rot13 the spoiler: ) Nyfb, nyy gur qentbaf va
&gt;&gt; guvf obbx ner rivy--jr qba'g zrrg gur tbbq qentbaf hagvy gur
&gt;&gt; frdhry...
&gt;
&gt; huh...?

Another concern about the movie, but since it reveals certain details
about the book (and presumably the movie as well), I put it through
rot13.

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#7: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-12 09:50:02 by jkarrah

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&gt; Another concern about the movie, but since it reveals certain details
&gt; about the book (and presumably the movie as well), I put it through
&gt; rot13.


Ahhh... (runs off to Google for a translation) Okay, gotcha.

I don't really think it's much of a &quot;spoiler,&quot; though. It's an interesting
aside, but really doesn't have a whole lot to do with the primary story line
of &quot;Twilight.&quot; Even so, I would be more concerned if said spoiler wasn't
incorporated into the movie as it is in keeping with both the primary plot
of &quot;Twilight&quot; as well as the rules of the D&amp;D universe.


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#8: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-12 16:34:48 by Draco18s

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:7MqdncB7uZgLNCnZnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d&#64;comcast.com" target="_blank">7MqdncB7uZgLNCnZnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d&#64;comcast.com</a>&gt;, <a href="mailto:jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com</a>
says...
&gt;
&gt;&quot;Pyros Rutilicus&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:pyrosrutilicusNO&#64;gmailSPAM.comORIWILLEATYOU" target="_blank">pyrosrutilicusNO&#64;gmailSPAM.comORIWILLEATYOU</a>&gt; wrote in
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&gt;
&gt;&gt; Another concern about the movie, but since it reveals certain details
&gt;&gt; about the book (and presumably the movie as well), I put it through
&gt;&gt; rot13.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Ahhh... (runs off to Google for a translation) Okay, gotcha.
&gt;
&gt;I don't really think it's much of a &quot;spoiler,&quot; though. It's an interesting
&gt;aside, but really doesn't have a whole lot to do with the primary story line
&gt;of &quot;Twilight.&quot; Even so, I would be more concerned if said spoiler wasn't
&gt;incorporated into the movie as it is in keeping with both the primary plot
&gt;of &quot;Twilight&quot; as well as the rules of the D&amp;D universe.

*Agrees*
And to be honest, my favorite dragon (actual dragon) character in all the books
(besides Dahamon (sp?, as he wasn't one to start out) was Skye.

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#9: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-12 16:34:48 by Draco18s

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns97FD1BB8B549pyrosrutilicushotmai&#64;207.115.17.102" target="_blank">Xns97FD1BB8B549pyrosrutilicushotmai&#64;207.115.17.102</a>&gt;,
<a href="mailto:pyrosrutilicusNO&#64;gmailSPAM.comORIWILLEATYOU" target="_blank">pyrosrutilicusNO&#64;gmailSPAM.comORIWILLEATYOU</a> says...
&gt;At Tue, 11 Jul 2006 02:32:24 GMT, &quot;J'Karrah EbonDragon&quot;
&gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; hissed:
&gt;
&gt;&lt;chomp&gt;
&gt;&gt; Dragons of
&gt;&gt; Autumn Twilight, the first in the Dragonlance series of books, is
&gt;&gt; being adapted into an animated film written by George Strayton and
&gt;&gt; directed by Will Meugniot.
&gt;
&gt;Wow, I remember hearing the rumors about such a thing since...basically
&gt;forever. ]:-8)~ I'm surprised it's finally happening, although it
&gt;probably shouldn't be *that* big a surprise that there's been a wave of
&gt;fantasy-themed movies coming out of Hollywood in the wake of LOTR and
&gt;Harry Potter.
&gt;
&gt;It *is* animated rather than live-action, which makes me concerned that
&gt;it might become a kids' movie.

Remember, cartoons aren't just for kids. Proof: Hentai. The Japanese know
what they are doing and market adult (or *ADULT*) cartoon appropriately,
unforunately here in the US people don't understand that cartoons can be for
adults as well, but there are current US produced cartoons that adults can
enjoy, example: Spongbob Squarepants. Watch it sometime, there are things
included that are there for the adults to enjoy that the kids won't pick up on.
Not that I enjoy the show much myself, but it is entertaining and doesn't feel
&quot;stupid&quot; like ... gosh, I can't even think of something, that's scary. Though
I suppose its because I don't watch them.
*Looks at Kids WB website*
ARRRG! MY BRAIN!
*Twitch*
I thought they CANCELED Lunatics from ever being made!
And this new show called....Viewtiful Joe....there, that's my example, I don't
even need to watch it, it hurts my brain just looking at it.

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Posted on 2006-07-12 21:38:33 by darkside

Draco18s &lt;<a href="mailto:draco18s2_DOES_NOT&#64;LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com" target="_blank">draco18s2_DOES_NOT&#64;LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com</a>&gt; writes:

&gt; And this new show called....Viewtiful Joe....there, that's my example, I don't
&gt; even need to watch it, it hurts my brain just looking at it.

Isn't Veiwtiful Joe a video game franchise? Wouldn't this be a show
based on a video game, then?

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Posted on 2006-07-12 22:53:05 by Dreamseeker

Hmm... I remember when I went to a bookstore once in search of new
additions for my horde and was browsing the fantasy section, as usual.
First my eyes fell on Dragons of Autumn Twilight and I was like, 'oh,
I've read that.' Then my view expanded a little. 'Oh, there's a whole
row of Dragonlance books. Wait, there are three rows!' Then I stepped
back and, 'wow, the whole bottom half... Wait, no... Holy crap, the
entire bookshelf is nothing but Dragonlance!!! I could never read that
many books from a single series...'
\__/
O.o;

So I guess if they do a good job on the first movie, they could just
keep going for as long as they wanted...

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#12: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-13 00:15:03 by Rai

Quoth Draco18s &lt;<a href="mailto:draco18s2_DOES_NOT&#64;LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com" target="_blank">draco18s2_DOES_NOT&#64;LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com</a>&gt;:
....
&gt;Remember, cartoons aren't just for kids. Proof: Hentai. The Japanese know
&gt;what they are doing and market adult (or *ADULT*) cartoon appropriately,
&gt;unforunately here in the US people don't understand that cartoons can be for
&gt;adults as well, but there are current US produced cartoons that adults can
&gt;enjoy, example: Spongbob Squarepants.

It's irrelevant whether cartoons /are/ just for kids or not, though.
It's how the mainstream perceives them, and I'm afraid animation is
still not widely enough regarded as a suitable medium for adult
entertainment in the West that we can guarantee DoAT will retain some of
its more mature elements.

Then again, it's a Dungeons &amp; Dragons adaptation. It's almost bound to
be crap simply because of that. :/
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#13: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-13 01:20:47 by Draco18s

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:87psgaehqe.fsf&#64;no.spam.see.sig" target="_blank">87psgaehqe.fsf&#64;no.spam.see.sig</a>&gt;, <a href="mailto:darkside&#64;no.spam.see.sig" target="_blank">darkside&#64;no.spam.see.sig</a> says...
&gt;Draco18s &lt;<a href="mailto:draco18s2_DOES_NOT&#64;LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com" target="_blank">draco18s2_DOES_NOT&#64;LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com</a>&gt; writes:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; And this new show called....Viewtiful Joe....there, that's my example, I don't
&gt;&gt; even need to watch it, it hurts my brain just looking at it.
&gt;
&gt;Isn't Veiwtiful Joe a video game franchise? Wouldn't this be a show
&gt;based on a video game, then?

I've never even heard of the video game.

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#14: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-13 02:45:27 by Lord Flame Stryke

On 12 Jul 2006, Draco18s was found to have scratched this message on a
rock in alt.fan.dragons:

&gt;&gt;&gt; Another concern about the movie, but since it reveals certain
&gt;&gt;&gt; details about the book (and presumably the movie as well), I put it
&gt;&gt;&gt; through rot13.
&gt;&gt;Ahhh... (runs off to Google for a translation) Okay, gotcha.
&gt;&gt;I don't really think it's much of a &quot;spoiler,&quot; though. It's an
&gt;&gt;interesting aside, but really doesn't have a whole lot to do with the
&gt;&gt;primary story line of &quot;Twilight.&quot; Even so, I would be more concerned
&gt;&gt;if said spoiler wasn't incorporated into the movie as it is in keeping
&gt;&gt;with both the primary plot of &quot;Twilight&quot; as well as the rules of the
&gt;&gt;D&amp;D universe.
&gt; *Agrees*
&gt; And to be honest, my favorite dragon (actual dragon) character in all
&gt; the books (besides Dahamon (sp?, as he wasn't one to start out) was
&gt; Skye.

Mine was actually Matafleur, I believe her name was. A red dragon, very
old, either in the Ancient or Wyrm age category I think (although it's
never printed, I don't think). I like the idea of a chromatic dragon,
aligned Chaotic Evil, giving her life for her &quot;children&quot;, who were the
children of the nursery she was put in charge of. Her actions, if not her
overall alignment, in this case, were Lawful good, I would say --
diametrically opposed to her predisposed one.



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#15: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-13 02:47:29 by Lord Flame Stryke

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&gt;&gt;It *is* animated rather than live-action, which makes me concerned
&gt;&gt;that it might become a kids' movie.
&gt; Remember, cartoons aren't just for kids. Proof: Hentai. The Japanese
&gt; know what they are doing and market adult (or *ADULT*) cartoon
&gt; appropriately, unforunately here in the US people don't understand
&gt; that cartoons can be for adults as well, but there are current US
&gt; produced cartoons that adults can enjoy, example: Spongbob
&gt; Squarepants. Watch it sometime, there are things included that are
&gt; there for the adults to enjoy that the kids won't pick up on. Not

The same was said about Shrek. It had the fairy tale characters with their
usual antics for the kids, and it had adult humor that the kids wouldn't
even pick up on, let alone understand.



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#16: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-13 02:49:55 by Lord Flame Stryke

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&gt; It's irrelevant whether cartoons /are/ just for kids or not, though.
&gt; It's how the mainstream perceives them, and I'm afraid animation is
&gt; still not widely enough regarded as a suitable medium for adult
&gt; entertainment in the West that we can guarantee DoAT will retain some
&gt; of its more mature elements.

Actually, I prefer cartoons to most live-action shows.

&gt; Then again, it's a Dungeons &amp; Dragons adaptation. It's almost bound
&gt; to be crap simply because of that. :/

Dragonlance is based on the rules, but not the world. Krynn was made
specifically for the Dragonlance characters and books. Therefore, don't
look to the previous Dungeons and Dragons movies for an example. If it
follows anything close to the storylines in the books, it should be a great
film, cartoon, D&amp;D, or otherwise.




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#17: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-13 02:52:36 by Lord Flame Stryke

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&gt; So I guess if they do a good job on the first movie, they could just
&gt; keep going for as long as they wanted...

Actually, if they complete this trilogy well, I would like to see the
Meetings Sextet and the Preludes trilogies, since they set the stage for
the Dragons trilogy. One book I didn't like, and one movie I wouldn't go
see, however, is Dragons of Summer Flame..... If you've never read this
book, I reccommend you don't. I'd like to say why, but it would ruin the
book for anyone who hasn't read it, ROT-13 or not.....



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#18: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-13 03:30:00 by Dreamseeker

&gt; Actually, if they complete this trilogy well, I would like to see the
&gt; Meetings Sextet and the Preludes trilogies, since they set the stage for
&gt; the Dragons trilogy. One book I didn't like, and one movie I wouldn't go
&gt; see, however, is Dragons of Summer Flame..... If you've never read this
&gt; book, I reccommend you don't. I'd like to say why, but it would ruin the
&gt; book for anyone who hasn't read it, ROT-13 or not.....

The only one I've read is Autumn Twilight, and that was a few years
ago. Then I discovered Mercedes Lackey and nothing else could quite
match up, because she thinks the same way I do and takes advantage of
the same plot points and ideas that I would...
But anyway, kinda funny that you discourage reading it yet refuse to
spoil it for those who haven't yet. Maybe I can find this spoiler
somewhere else, because now I'm curious.

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Posted on 2006-07-13 05:34:56 by jkarrah

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&gt; Mine was actually Matafleur, I believe her name was. A red dragon, very
&gt; old, either in the Ancient or Wyrm age category I think (although it's
&gt; never printed, I don't think). I like the idea of a chromatic dragon,
&gt; aligned Chaotic Evil, giving her life for her &quot;children&quot;, who were the
&gt; children of the nursery she was put in charge of. Her actions, if not her
&gt; overall alignment, in this case, were Lawful good, I would say --
&gt; diametrically opposed to her predisposed one.


Yeah, she definitely wasn't your &quot;typical&quot; red dragon. It showed that even
the evil dragons had the capacity for the kinder emotions. She would remind
the women who cared for the children she guarded to look after one child who
had a cold or to make sure the children had time to play outside before the
rain started. Even in her dementia before the end when she was battling...
Pyro, I think the male red's name was... she was a mother desperately
fighting to save her own dragon children.

Blue Skye's devotion and loyalty to Kiteria also went beyond what one would
expect of an &quot;evil&quot; dragon in service to Takhisis. I think the green Cyan
Bloodbane was one of the few who truly demonstrated the evilness attributed
to the chromatic dragons with the way he tormented the king of Silvanost
(sp?)


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Posted on 2006-07-13 05:40:32 by jkarrah

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&gt; One book I didn't like, and one movie I wouldn't go
&gt; see, however, is Dragons of Summer Flame..... If you've never read this
&gt; book, I reccommend you don't. I'd like to say why, but it would ruin the
&gt; book for anyone who hasn't read it, ROT-13 or not.....


Agreed. I wasn't particularly fond of Summer Flame either.

Now Dragonlance Legends (Time of the Twins, War of the Twins, Test of the
Twins) were excellent. The insight given on the relationship between
Rastlin and Caramon was fascinating.


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#21: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-13 10:37:46 by darkside

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&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:87psgaehqe.fsf&#64;no.spam.see.sig" target="_blank">87psgaehqe.fsf&#64;no.spam.see.sig</a>&gt;, <a href="mailto:darkside&#64;no.spam.see.sig" target="_blank">darkside&#64;no.spam.see.sig</a> says...
&gt;&gt;Draco18s &lt;<a href="mailto:draco18s2_DOES_NOT&#64;LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com" target="_blank">draco18s2_DOES_NOT&#64;LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com</a>&gt; writes:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; And this new show called....Viewtiful Joe....there, that's my example, I don't
&gt;&gt;&gt; even need to watch it, it hurts my brain just looking at it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Isn't Veiwtiful Joe a video game franchise? Wouldn't this be a show
&gt;&gt;based on a video game, then?
&gt;
&gt; I've never even heard of the video game.

Yeah, some acquaintances of mine were raving about a great while
ago... last year maybe? I don't know anything about it beyond that.

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#22: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-13 23:41:52 by Dreamseeker

&gt; Now Dragonlance Legends (Time of the Twins, War of the Twins, Test of the
&gt; Twins) were excellent. The insight given on the relationship between
&gt; Rastlin and Caramon was fascinating.

I should read those, then. I liked those two characters.
And my little brother hero-worships Raistin. Should I be scared?
\__/
^_^;

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#23: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-14 01:41:41 by Marrock

Dreamseeker wrote:
&gt;&gt; Now Dragonlance Legends (Time of the Twins, War of the Twins, Test of the
&gt;&gt; Twins) were excellent. The insight given on the relationship between
&gt;&gt; Rastlin and Caramon was fascinating.
&gt;
&gt; I should read those, then. I liked those two characters.
&gt; And my little brother hero-worships Raistin. Should I be scared?
&gt; \__/
&gt; ^_^;
&gt;
&gt; --
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&gt;
I can remember when the original &quot;pre-lance&quot; short stories were first
published in Dragon Magazine, Raist's test in the tower, how he got
those hourglass eyes, The ring Tasslehof got, literally, stuck with,
that teleported him at random... all sorts of fun stuff back then.

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#24: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-14 01:47:00 by Draco18s

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:atqdnUhS4onXIijZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d&#64;comcast.com" target="_blank">atqdnUhS4onXIijZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d&#64;comcast.com</a>&gt;, <a href="mailto:jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com</a>
says...
&gt;
&gt;&quot;Lord Flame Stryke&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:FlameStryke&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">FlameStryke&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt;&gt; Mine was actually Matafleur, I believe her name was. A red dragon, very
&gt;&gt; old, either in the Ancient or Wyrm age category I think (although it's
&gt;&gt; never printed, I don't think). I like the idea of a chromatic dragon,
&gt;&gt; aligned Chaotic Evil, giving her life for her &quot;children&quot;, who were the
&gt;&gt; children of the nursery she was put in charge of. Her actions, if not her
&gt;&gt; overall alignment, in this case, were Lawful good, I would say --
&gt;&gt; diametrically opposed to her predisposed one.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Yeah, she definitely wasn't your &quot;typical&quot; red dragon. It showed that even
&gt;the evil dragons had the capacity for the kinder emotions. She would remind
&gt;the women who cared for the children she guarded to look after one child who
&gt;had a cold or to make sure the children had time to play outside before the
&gt;rain started. Even in her dementia before the end when she was battling...
&gt;Pyro, I think the male red's name was... she was a mother desperately
&gt;fighting to save her own dragon children.

I don't remember her. What book?

&gt;Blue Skye's devotion and loyalty to Kiteria also went beyond what one would
&gt;expect of an &quot;evil&quot; dragon in service to Takhisis. I think the green Cyan
&gt;Bloodbane was one of the few who truly demonstrated the evilness attributed
&gt;to the chromatic dragons with the way he tormented the king of Silvanost
&gt;(sp?)

I don't know why I liked Skye so much. I don't think it was his loyalty to
Kiteria. I suppose it was because of that that I was interested, for had he
not had that loyalty, he would not have done the things he did. I think the
big thing he did that made me like him was refusing the orders to fight in the
Chaos War.

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Posted on 2006-07-14 02:49:41 by Lord Flame Stryke

On 13 Jul 2006, Draco18s was found to have scratched this message on a
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&gt;&gt;&gt; Mine was actually Matafleur, I believe her name was. A red dragon,
&gt;&gt;&gt; very old, either in the Ancient or Wyrm age category I think
&gt;&gt;&gt; (although it's never printed, I don't think). I like the idea of a
&gt;&gt;&gt; chromatic dragon, aligned Chaotic Evil, giving her life for her
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;children&quot;, who were the children of the nursery she was put in
&gt;&gt;&gt; charge of. Her actions, if not her overall alignment, in this case,
&gt;&gt;&gt; were Lawful good, I would say -- diametrically opposed to her
&gt;&gt;&gt; predisposed one.
&gt;&gt;Yeah, she definitely wasn't your &quot;typical&quot; red dragon. It showed that
&gt;&gt;even the evil dragons had the capacity for the kinder emotions. She
&gt;&gt;would remind the women who cared for the children she guarded to look
&gt;&gt;after one child who had a cold or to make sure the children had time
&gt;&gt;to play outside before the rain started. Even in her dementia before
&gt;&gt;the end when she was battling... Pyro, I think the male red's name
&gt;&gt;was... she was a mother desperately fighting to save her own dragon
&gt;&gt;children.
&gt; I don't remember her. What book?

I don't remember. Perhaps it wasn't even from that trilogy..... But I do
remember her.



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#26: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-14 02:56:23 by jkarrah

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&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:atqdnUhS4onXIijZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d&#64;comcast.com" target="_blank">atqdnUhS4onXIijZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d&#64;comcast.com</a>&gt;,
&gt; <a href="mailto:jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com</a>
&gt; says...

&gt;&gt;Yeah, she definitely wasn't your &quot;typical&quot; red dragon. It showed that
&gt;&gt;even
&gt;&gt;the evil dragons had the capacity for the kinder emotions. She would
&gt;&gt;remind
&gt;&gt;the women who cared for the children she guarded to look after one child
&gt;&gt;who
&gt;&gt;had a cold or to make sure the children had time to play outside before
&gt;&gt;the
&gt;&gt;rain started. Even in her dementia before the end when she was
&gt;&gt;battling...
&gt;&gt;Pyro, I think the male red's name was... she was a mother desperately
&gt;&gt;fighting to save her own dragon children.
&gt;
&gt; I don't remember her. What book?


I believe it was in the second book: Dragons of Winter Night




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#27: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-14 05:17:03 by Draco18s

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:nuudnaMShqopdivZnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d&#64;comcast.com" target="_blank">nuudnaMShqopdivZnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d&#64;comcast.com</a>&gt;, <a href="mailto:jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com</a>
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&gt;
&gt;&quot;Draco18s&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:draco18s2_DOES_NOT&#64;LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com" target="_blank">draco18s2_DOES_NOT&#64;LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:atqdnUhS4onXIijZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d&#64;comcast.com" target="_blank">atqdnUhS4onXIijZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d&#64;comcast.com</a>&gt;,
&gt;&gt; <a href="mailto:jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com</a>
&gt;&gt; says...
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Yeah, she definitely wasn't your &quot;typical&quot; red dragon. It showed that
&gt;&gt;&gt;even
&gt;&gt;&gt;the evil dragons had the capacity for the kinder emotions. She would
&gt;&gt;&gt;remind
&gt;&gt;&gt;the women who cared for the children she guarded to look after one child
&gt;&gt;&gt;who
&gt;&gt;&gt;had a cold or to make sure the children had time to play outside before
&gt;&gt;&gt;the
&gt;&gt;&gt;rain started. Even in her dementia before the end when she was
&gt;&gt;&gt;battling...
&gt;&gt;&gt;Pyro, I think the male red's name was... she was a mother desperately
&gt;&gt;&gt;fighting to save her own dragon children.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I don't remember her. What book?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;I believe it was in the second book: Dragons of Winter Night

Hmm, might have to pick up my annotated trillogy and reread it then.

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#28: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-15 03:10:47 by Rai

Quoth Lord Flame Stryke &lt;<a href="mailto:FlameStryke&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">FlameStryke&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt;:
....
&gt;&gt; I'm afraid animation is still not widely enough regarded as a suitable
&gt;&gt; medium for adult entertainment in the West that we can guarantee DoAT
&gt;&gt; will retain some of its more mature elements.
&gt;
&gt;Actually, I prefer cartoons to most live-action shows.

You might; I often do too. The mainstream adult audience, Simpsons and
possibly Family Guy aside, does not -- which was my point.

&gt;&gt; Then again, it's a Dungeons &amp; Dragons adaptation. It's almost bound
&gt;&gt; to be crap simply because of that. :/
&gt;
&gt;Dragonlance is based on the rules, but not the world. Krynn was made
&gt;specifically for the Dragonlance characters and books.

I am aware of this. I've still got my 1e AD&amp;D rulebooks somewhere
around, so I've seen the progression. &gt;:)

&gt;Therefore, don't look to the previous Dungeons and Dragons movies for
&gt;an example. If it follows anything close to the storylines in the
&gt;books, it should be a great film, cartoon, D&amp;D, or otherwise.

Except, because it's still going to be regarded as Dungeons &amp; Dragons,
there's a significant risk it will be given to someone like Uwe Boll to
direct. :P

All I'm saying is, don't expect too much, because there's a significant
chance you won't get it.
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#29: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-15 03:20:11 by Marrock

Rai wrote:
&gt; Quoth Lord Flame Stryke &lt;<a href="mailto:FlameStryke&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">FlameStryke&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt;:
&gt; ....
&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm afraid animation is still not widely enough regarded as a suitable
&gt;&gt;&gt; medium for adult entertainment in the West that we can guarantee DoAT
&gt;&gt;&gt; will retain some of its more mature elements.
&gt;&gt; Actually, I prefer cartoons to most live-action shows.
&gt;
&gt; You might; I often do too. The mainstream adult audience, Simpsons and
&gt; possibly Family Guy aside, does not -- which was my point.
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Then again, it's a Dungeons &amp; Dragons adaptation. It's almost bound
&gt;&gt;&gt; to be crap simply because of that. :/
&gt;&gt; Dragonlance is based on the rules, but not the world. Krynn was made
&gt;&gt; specifically for the Dragonlance characters and books.
&gt;
&gt; I am aware of this. I've still got my 1e AD&amp;D rulebooks somewhere
&gt; around, so I've seen the progression. &gt;:)
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Therefore, don't look to the previous Dungeons and Dragons movies for
&gt;&gt; an example. If it follows anything close to the storylines in the
&gt;&gt; books, it should be a great film, cartoon, D&amp;D, or otherwise.
&gt;
&gt; Except, because it's still going to be regarded as Dungeons &amp; Dragons,
&gt; there's a significant risk it will be given to someone like Uwe Boll to
&gt; direct. :P
&gt;
&gt; All I'm saying is, don't expect too much, because there's a significant
&gt; chance you won't get it.

Hope for the best and expect the worst, you'll never be disappointed
and, occasionally, you'll be pleasantly surprised.

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#30: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-15 03:36:30 by Lord Flame Stryke

On 14 Jul 2006, Rai was found to have scratched this message on a rock
in alt.fan.dragons:

&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm afraid animation is still not widely enough regarded as a
&gt;&gt;&gt; suitable medium for adult entertainment in the West that we can
&gt;&gt;&gt; guarantee DoAT will retain some of its more mature elements.
&gt;&gt;Actually, I prefer cartoons to most live-action shows.
&gt; You might; I often do too. The mainstream adult audience, Simpsons
&gt; and possibly Family Guy aside, does not -- which was my point.

Yes, I can see that..... Sad, though..... I really miss Cartoon
Network.....

&gt;&gt;&gt; Then again, it's a Dungeons &amp; Dragons adaptation. It's almost bound
&gt;&gt;&gt; to be crap simply because of that. :/
&gt;&gt;Dragonlance is based on the rules, but not the world. Krynn was made
&gt;&gt;specifically for the Dragonlance characters and books.
&gt; I am aware of this. I've still got my 1e AD&amp;D rulebooks somewhere
&gt; around, so I've seen the progression. &gt;:)

I never tried 1e, or AD&amp;D, I first tried AD&amp;D2e and didn't like it, but
I do like 3e and the rest of d20, for the most part.

&gt;&gt;Therefore, don't look to the previous Dungeons and Dragons movies for
&gt;&gt;an example. If it follows anything close to the storylines in the
&gt;&gt;books, it should be a great film, cartoon, D&amp;D, or otherwise.
&gt; Except, because it's still going to be regarded as Dungeons &amp; Dragons,
&gt; there's a significant risk it will be given to someone like Uwe Boll
&gt; to direct. :P

There were some good points in the D&amp;D movies..... &quot;Shoes are not
permitted in god's house!&quot; &lt;Slams his warhammer down, knocking the
warriors off their feet (can we say &quot;Failed Reflex Save?) while the
acolyte in the next pew is cowering!!&gt;

&gt; All I'm saying is, don't expect too much, because there's a
&gt; significant chance you won't get it.

I expect nothing from movies except that I'll be entertained. And since
I only go see movies which I think I'll like, I'm rarely disappointed.




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#31: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-15 17:50:39 by jrrhack

Probably you liked him because Skye is drawn by many artists as a
handsome dragon. And he liked Kitiara, like many in the story. haha.
The war of souls is probably the end of all dragonlance stories, I had
read it, but I didn't realy like.

Draco18s wrote:
&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:atqdnUhS4onXIijZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d&#64;comcast.com" target="_blank">atqdnUhS4onXIijZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d&#64;comcast.com</a>&gt;, <a href="mailto:jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com</a>
&gt; says...
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&quot;Lord Flame Stryke&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:FlameStryke&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">FlameStryke&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; &gt;news:<a href="mailto:Xns97FEBEE9DD732DragonFyre&#64;64.59.135.159..." target="_blank">Xns97FEBEE9DD732DragonFyre&#64;64.59.135.159...</a>
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Mine was actually Matafleur, I believe her name was. A red dragon, very
&gt; &gt;&gt; old, either in the Ancient or Wyrm age category I think (although it's
&gt; &gt;&gt; never printed, I don't think). I like the idea of a chromatic dragon,
&gt; &gt;&gt; aligned Chaotic Evil, giving her life for her &quot;children&quot;, who were the
&gt; &gt;&gt; children of the nursery she was put in charge of. Her actions, if not her
&gt; &gt;&gt; overall alignment, in this case, were Lawful good, I would say --
&gt; &gt;&gt; diametrically opposed to her predisposed one.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Yeah, she definitely wasn't your &quot;typical&quot; red dragon. It showed that even
&gt; &gt;the evil dragons had the capacity for the kinder emotions. She would remind
&gt; &gt;the women who cared for the children she guarded to look after one child who
&gt; &gt;had a cold or to make sure the children had time to play outside before the
&gt; &gt;rain started. Even in her dementia before the end when she was battling...
&gt; &gt;Pyro, I think the male red's name was... she was a mother desperately
&gt; &gt;fighting to save her own dragon children.
&gt;
&gt; I don't remember her. What book?
&gt;
&gt; &gt;Blue Skye's devotion and loyalty to Kiteria also went beyond what one would
&gt; &gt;expect of an &quot;evil&quot; dragon in service to Takhisis. I think the green Cyan
&gt; &gt;Bloodbane was one of the few who truly demonstrated the evilness attributed
&gt; &gt;to the chromatic dragons with the way he tormented the king of Silvanost
&gt; &gt;(sp?)
&gt;
&gt; I don't know why I liked Skye so much. I don't think it was his loyalty to
&gt; Kiteria. I suppose it was because of that that I was interested, for had he
&gt; not had that loyalty, he would not have done the things he did. I think the
&gt; big thing he did that made me like him was refusing the orders to fight in the
&gt; Chaos War.

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#32: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-16 19:30:47 by Draco18s

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1152978639.923057.268700&#64;p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1152978639.923057.268700&#64;p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
<a href="mailto:jrrhack&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">jrrhack&#64;gmail.com</a> says...
&gt;Probably you liked him because Skye is drawn by many artists as a
&gt;handsome dragon.

Hehe, that might be why. ^..~

&gt;And he liked Kitiara, like many in the story. haha.
&gt;The war of souls is probably the end of all dragonlance stories, I had
&gt;read it, but I didn't realy like.

There's the Minotaur wars, haven't read them--or much of any Dragonlance
recently. Been doing other things.

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#33: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-16 22:38:33 by Arcaton

&quot;Draco18s&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:draco18s2_DOES_NOT&#64;LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com" target="_blank">draco18s2_DOES_NOT&#64;LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:MPG.1f1edea921ba6d1b9896b1&#64;news.teranews.com..." target="_blank">MPG.1f1edea921ba6d1b9896b1&#64;news.teranews.com...</a>
&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:Xns97FD1BB8B549pyrosrutilicushotmai&#64;207.115.17.102" target="_blank">Xns97FD1BB8B549pyrosrutilicushotmai&#64;207.115.17.102</a>&gt;,
&gt; <a href="mailto:pyrosrutilicusNO&#64;gmailSPAM.comORIWILLEATYOU" target="_blank">pyrosrutilicusNO&#64;gmailSPAM.comORIWILLEATYOU</a> says...
&gt; &gt;At Tue, 11 Jul 2006 02:32:24 GMT, &quot;J'Karrah EbonDragon&quot;
&gt; &gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; hissed:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&lt;chomp&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; Dragons of
&gt; &gt;&gt; Autumn Twilight, the first in the Dragonlance series of books, is
&gt; &gt;&gt; being adapted into an animated film written by George Strayton and
&gt; &gt;&gt; directed by Will Meugniot.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Wow, I remember hearing the rumors about such a thing since...basically
&gt; &gt;forever. ]:-8)~ I'm surprised it's finally happening, although it
&gt; &gt;probably shouldn't be *that* big a surprise that there's been a wave of
&gt; &gt;fantasy-themed movies coming out of Hollywood in the wake of LOTR and
&gt; &gt;Harry Potter.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;It *is* animated rather than live-action, which makes me concerned that
&gt; &gt;it might become a kids' movie.
&gt;
&gt; Remember, cartoons aren't just for kids. Proof: Hentai. The Japanese
know
&gt; what they are doing and market adult (or *ADULT*) cartoon appropriately,
&gt; unforunately here in the US people don't understand that cartoons can be
for
&gt; adults as well, but there are current US produced cartoons that adults can
&gt; enjoy, example: Spongbob Squarepants. Watch it sometime, there are things
&gt; included that are there for the adults to enjoy that the kids won't pick
up on.
&gt; Not that I enjoy the show much myself, but it is entertaining and doesn't
feel
&gt; &quot;stupid&quot; like ... gosh, I can't even think of something, that's scary.
Though
&gt; I suppose its because I don't watch them.
&gt; *Looks at Kids WB website*
&gt; ARRRG! MY BRAIN!
&gt; *Twitch*
&gt; I thought they CANCELED Lunatics from ever being made!
&gt; And this new show called....Viewtiful Joe....there, that's my example, I
don't
&gt; even need to watch it, it hurts my brain just looking at it.

Yes - I wish Blazing Dragons would get a DVD or VHS release, the way things
are I suspect it's actually been deliberately held back....

It was scheduled a couple of years ago and went from &quot;awaiting release&quot; to
&quot;Awaiting stock&quot; to &quot;cancelled&quot;

Arcaton
who never liked Dragonlance overmuch anyway.

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#34: Re: Dragons of Autumn Twilight--the Movie

Posted on 2006-07-17 08:46:00 by Pyros Rutilicus

At Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:56:23 GMT, &quot;J'Karrah EbonDragon&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">jkarrah&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; hissed:

&lt;chomp&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Even in her dementia before the end when she was battling...
&gt;&gt;&gt;Pyro, I think the male red's name was...

Pyros, actually. (No relation.)

&gt;&gt;&gt;she was a mother desperately
&gt;&gt;&gt;fighting to save her own dragon children.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I don't remember her. What book?
&gt;
&gt; I believe it was in the second book: Dragons of Winter Night

Actually, she's at the very end of the first book (Autumn Twilight).

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