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#1: How could Lars Owen be Obi-Wan Kenobi's brother?

Posted on 2006-07-09 22:58:28 by Venger

According to the novelization of Return of the Jedi, which was co-written by
Lucas himself, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Lars Owen are brothers.

In chapter three, page 83 of the hardcover copy, it reads: Ben continued
his narrative. "When your father left, he didn't know your mother was
pregnant. Your mother and I knew he would find out eventually, but we
wanted to keep you both as safe as possible, for as long as possible. So I
took you to live with my brother Owen, on Tatooine...and your mother took
Leia to live as the daughter of Senator Organa, on Alderaan."

As we saw in Episode III, Anakin was actually aware that Padme was pregnant.
Also, since she died while giving birth, Padme couldn't have taken Leia
anywhere. But we'll forget about these inconsistencies for now. They are
pretty minor compared to the one about Kenobi's brother being Owen Lars. I
can think of three reasons why this makes no sense at all.

1. Owen and Beru were killed by stormtroopers while Luke was off rounding
up R2D2 in Episode IV. Upon hearing of his brother's death from Luke,
Obi-Wan shows no signs of grieving whatsoever.

2. When the crew are stranded on Tatooine in Episode I, Obi-Wan gives no
indication that he is familiar with the planet. He makes no effort to
contact his brother, which is especially odd since Owen could have actually
helped find the parts they needed.

3. Anakin meets Owen Lars when he sets out in search of his missing mother
in Episode II. It turns out that Owen's dad, which would have been
Obi-Wan's dad, married Anakin's mother. Pretty convenient, considering how
big this galaxy is supposed to be. Not only that, but if the future Darth
Vader is actually related to Owen, how smart would it be to hide Luke there
at his home on Tatooine?

Give me your thoughts on this. I've tried to put this behind me, and I just
can't seem to do it. Lucas wrapped his galaxy so tightly around Tatooine
that he actually unraveled part of his story!

But all the same, Star Wars rocks!

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#2: Re: How could Lars Owen be Obi-Wan Kenobi's brother?

Posted on 2006-07-09 23:37:13 by Solon

_Venger_ spoke thusly on 09/07/2006 4:58 PM:
> According to the novelization of Return of the Jedi, which was co-written by
> Lucas himself, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Lars Owen are brothers.

Read item 2.O (or 2.N) of the AFS FAQ:
<a href="http://afssmugglersalliance.tripod.com/afs_faq.html" target="_blank">http://afssmugglersalliance.tripod.com/afs_faq.html</a>

The link given within the FAQ answer can be viewed via web.archive.org:
<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20050306155235/http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/jocasta/askjc20020131.html" target="_blank"> http://web.archive.org/web/20050306155235/http://www.starwar s.com/community/askjc/jocasta/askjc20020131.html</a>
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#3: Re: How could Lars Owen be Obi-Wan Kenobi's brother?

Posted on 2006-07-10 00:17:03 by SpammersDie

&quot;Venger&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:kolar1&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">kolar1&#64;cox.net</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:U5esg.9174$<a href="mailto:PO.4710&#64;dukeread03..." target="_blank">PO.4710&#64;dukeread03...</a>
&gt; According to the novelization of Return of the Jedi, which was co-written
&gt; by Lucas himself, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Lars Owen are brothers.
&gt;
&gt; In chapter three, page 83 of the hardcover copy, it reads: Ben continued
&gt; his narrative. &quot;When your father left, he didn't know your mother was
&gt; pregnant. Your mother and I knew he would find out eventually, but we
&gt; wanted to keep you both as safe as possible, for as long as possible. So
&gt; I took you to live with my brother Owen, on Tatooine...and your mother
&gt; took Leia to live as the daughter of Senator Organa, on Alderaan.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; As we saw in Episode III, Anakin was actually aware that Padme was
&gt; pregnant. Also, since she died while giving birth, Padme couldn't have
&gt; taken Leia anywhere. But we'll forget about these inconsistencies for
&gt; now. They are pretty minor compared to the one about Kenobi's brother
&gt; being Owen Lars. I can think of three reasons why this makes no sense at
&gt; all.
&gt;
&gt; 1. Owen and Beru were killed by stormtroopers while Luke was off rounding
&gt; up R2D2 in Episode IV. Upon hearing of his brother's death from Luke,
&gt; Obi-Wan shows no signs of grieving whatsoever.

He's already used to seeing brothers burn up.

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#4: Re: How could Lars Owen be Obi-Wan Kenobi's brother?

Posted on 2006-07-10 00:36:54 by Benny Dreadful

I accept all this of course, as it makes sense, but I still find the
idea fascinating. The notion that Obi and Owen were brothers was
viable for quite a long time - I think the first novel in the Jedi
Apprentice series 'The Rising Force' even has Obi recalling his
brother Owen, so it was something that was being considered all these
years. Guess AotC killed it off finally.



On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 17:37:13 -0400, Solon &lt;<a href="mailto:usenetsolon&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">usenetsolon&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;_Venger_ spoke thusly on 09/07/2006 4:58 PM:
&gt;&gt; According to the novelization of Return of the Jedi, which was co-written by
&gt;&gt; Lucas himself, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Lars Owen are brothers.
&gt;
&gt;Read item 2.O (or 2.N) of the AFS FAQ:
&gt;<a href="http://afssmugglersalliance.tripod.com/afs_faq.html" target="_blank">http://afssmugglersalliance.tripod.com/afs_faq.html</a>
&gt;
&gt;The link given within the FAQ answer can be viewed via web.archive.org:
&gt;<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20050306155235/http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/jocasta/askjc20020131.html" target="_blank"> http://web.archive.org/web/20050306155235/http://www.starwar s.com/community/askjc/jocasta/askjc20020131.html</a>

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#5: Re: How could Lars Owen be Obi-Wan Kenobi's brother?

Posted on 2006-07-10 02:56:27 by Anybody

In article &lt;U5esg.9174$<a href="mailto:PO.4710&#64;dukeread03" target="_blank">PO.4710&#64;dukeread03</a>&gt;, &quot;Venger&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:kolar1&#64;cox.net" target="_blank">kolar1&#64;cox.net</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt; According to the novelization of Return of the Jedi, which was co-written by
&gt; Lucas himself, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Lars Owen are brothers.
&gt;
&gt; In chapter three, page 83 of the hardcover copy, it reads: Ben continued
&gt; his narrative. &quot;When your father left, he didn't know your mother was
&gt; pregnant. Your mother and I knew he would find out eventually, but we
&gt; wanted to keep you both as safe as possible, for as long as possible. So I
&gt; took you to live with my brother Owen, on Tatooine...and your mother took
&gt; Leia to live as the daughter of Senator Organa, on Alderaan.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; As we saw in Episode III, Anakin was actually aware that Padme was pregnant.
&gt; Also, since she died while giving birth, Padme couldn't have taken Leia
&gt; anywhere. But we'll forget about these inconsistencies for now. They are
&gt; pretty minor compared to the one about Kenobi's brother being Owen Lars. I
&gt; can think of three reasons why this makes no sense at all.

Of course, Owen is no longer Obi-Wan's brother, but if we ignore that
we can still make sense of the other &quot;problems&quot; ...



&gt; 1. Owen and Beru were killed by stormtroopers while Luke was off rounding
&gt; up R2D2 in Episode IV. Upon hearing of his brother's death from Luke,
&gt; Obi-Wan shows no signs of grieving whatsoever.

Jedi are taken away as babies for training and part of the reason is so
that they do not have any emotional attachment to (or even know) their
families. Being too old when he started training was part of the reason
Anakin &quot;failed&quot;.




&gt; 2. When the crew are stranded on Tatooine in Episode I, Obi-Wan gives no
&gt; indication that he is familiar with the planet. He makes no effort to
&gt; contact his brother, which is especially odd since Owen could have actually
&gt; helped find the parts they needed.

Owen and Obi-Wan may well not have been born on Tatooine. Owen may have
moved there later (Lars senior from the Prequel movies did move to
Tatooine after his first wife died on Coruscant).



&gt; 3. Anakin meets Owen Lars when he sets out in search of his missing mother
&gt; in Episode II. It turns out that Owen's dad, which would have been
&gt; Obi-Wan's dad, married Anakin's mother. Pretty convenient, considering how
&gt; big this galaxy is supposed to be. Not only that, but if the future Darth
&gt; Vader is actually related to Owen, how smart would it be to hide Luke there
&gt; at his home on Tatooine?

Have you watched the show 'Lost' - almost everyone in that is connected
to everyone else, to the point of it getting ridiculous. :-\

No matter what family relationships exist, &quot;hiding&quot; Luke on Tatooine
doesn't make much sense except when you realise that when Anakin became
Vader he left his old life behind and wasn't about to attend family
reuninons. He also didn't know about the child(ren) being alive and so
wasn't looking for them. He simply had no reason to go back to
Tatooine, and even during Episode IV didn't go down to the planet to
look for the droids. (Realistically Owen and Beru should have given
Luke a different surname - either their own or Beru's maidne name so
she could say he was the son of her sister or something.)

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#6: Re: How could Lars Owen be Obi-Wan Kenobi's brother?

Posted on 2006-07-17 15:25:04 by Jedi Apprentice

Benny Dreadful wrote:
&gt; I accept all this of course, as it makes sense, but I still find the
&gt; idea fascinating. The notion that Obi and Owen were brothers was
&gt; viable for quite a long time - I think the first novel in the Jedi
&gt; Apprentice series 'The Rising Force' even has Obi recalling his
&gt; brother Owen, so it was something that was being considered all these
&gt; years. Guess AotC killed it off finally.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 17:37:13 -0400, Solon &lt;<a href="mailto:usenetsolon&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">usenetsolon&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;_Venger_ spoke thusly on 09/07/2006 4:58 PM:
&gt; &gt;&gt; According to the novelization of Return of the Jedi, which was co-written by
&gt; &gt;&gt; Lucas himself, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Lars Owen are brothers.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Read item 2.O (or 2.N) of the AFS FAQ:
&gt; &gt;<a href="http://afssmugglersalliance.tripod.com/afs_faq.html" target="_blank">http://afssmugglersalliance.tripod.com/afs_faq.html</a>
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;The link given within the FAQ answer can be viewed via web.archive.org:
&gt; &gt;<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20050306155235/http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/jocasta/askjc20020131.html" target="_blank"> http://web.archive.org/web/20050306155235/http://www.starwar s.com/community/askjc/jocasta/askjc20020131.html</a>

Although in AOTC when they are over Schmi's grave, there are two other
grave stones. Perhaps one is Cliegg's first wife and the smallest one
is for their &quot;dead&quot; baby (Obi-Wan Kenobi...)

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#7: Re: How could Lars Owen be Obi-Wan Kenobi's brother?

Posted on 2006-07-18 08:26:32 by Anybody

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1153142704.888333.289060&#64;m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1153142704.888333.289060&#64;m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
&quot;Jedi Apprentice&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:eddieh&#64;evoicing.com" target="_blank">eddieh&#64;evoicing.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; Although in AOTC when they are over Schmi's grave, there are two other
&gt; grave stones. Perhaps one is Cliegg's first wife and the smallest one
&gt; is for their &quot;dead&quot; baby (Obi-Wan Kenobi...)

Nope, there are three gravestones (two large and one small), but ...

Burial Site
Cliegg buries his beloved wife, Shmi, alongside the
grave of his parents, Gredda and Lef, and his brother
Edern, who died aged 14 when he lost control of the
family V-35 speeder.

- Inside the Worlds of
Star Wars: Attack of the Clones
(Dorling Kindersley, 2003)


Cliegg's first wife died when they lived on the Core World of Ator. He
and Owen then moved to Tatooine. (From the Dorling Kindersley book
&quot;Star Wars: Attack of the Clones Visual Dictionary&quot;.)

It seems most likely that Cliegg was born on Tatooine, which is why his
brother's grave is there even though he died at age 14, and moved to
Ator as a young man where he met his first wife.

That means the gravestones were:

Large gravestone = Shmi

Large gravestone = Gredda and Lef Lars (shared gravestone)

Small gravestone = Edern Lars

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