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#1: Words from Andre Cholmondeley

Posted on 2006-07-02 15:10:02 by Ignatz

This is Andre's latest posting in the "NEWS" section of the P/O website:
____________________________________________________________ __________________


hey all

here's hoping the late spring/early summer is treating you well..... did you
catch the Zappa Plays Zappa shows??? I have been hearing nothing but good
news (except for D'Weasel's insistence on slagging every band , including
us, that has worked so hard to keep his Dad's music alive while he was
hosting bullshit Food Network shows)

but, i digress

I personally missed the shows 'cos i was real busy with my new gig -- Guitar
Tech/Road Manager for 'Another Great Italian'....the one and only Al Di
Meola!

yes indeed, it's a crazy story and i'll tell it someday, but basically i
have just done a short tour with the man, one that quickly spanned from way
northern Canada all the way down to Chattanooga Tennessee... it was amazing,
his band is amazing, and watching Al burn down the house from 20 ft away
every night has made my life. Another one of my guitar heroes, and an
inspiration to me for well over 25 years...working with Al is a complete
trip and he has endorsed my hard work by personally asking me to join him
again on tour this coming fall 2006.

He has an amazing new CD coming out on SEP 26 - 'The Consequences Of Chaos'
(Telarc) - it features old friends and co-conspirators Barry Miles, Chick
Corea, John Pattitucci and Steve Gadd as special guests, as well as his
killer long time band featuring Gumbi Ortiz , Ernie Adams and Mario
Parmisano.
Al delivers a smorgasbord of tasty guitar-- classical, PRS, Ovation
acoustic, VG88 tones, and more. He also turns in some keyboard work via the
groundbreaking Korg OASYS

We will tour the USA and Europe in support of it - the first leg of this
tour goes from about Oct 10-Nov 10, give or take a week..... and then we
plan to do some stuff in Asia in the Winter of 2007.. stay tuned!!

What does this all mean for Project/;Object??? Well-- we were taking the
fall off anyway... drummer Eric Slick is about to tour with ADRIAN BELEW,
and bassist Dave Johnsen has been doing mucho road work with his own band
QUISQUEYA as well as Gregg Bendian's THE MAHAVISHNU PROJECT, while keys
player Eric Svalgard is busy preparing for the opening of his very own
School Of Rock in Wilimington Delaware, on July 1 2006...

so - we're swamped... with music!! I am also currently booking some dates
for Al , as well as another Don Preston lecture/performance tour for
september-october. stay tuned for details on ALL of the above ....and we are
happy to say that the very capable Zappa plays Zappa will more that keep
y'all happy and filled with Zappa music, which has always been our goal!!
Too bad, the bitter, insane, musically-ignorant Gail Zappa can't find it in
her 'heart' to say a word of support or Thanks to any of us, the ingrate.!!

So - here and now - i SALUTE Banned From Utopia, Bogus Pomp, Voice of Cheez,
URR, Ed Palermo, the GrandeMothers, the Muffin Men, Cucurullo Brullo Brillo,
Ossi Duri, of course my very own Project/Object...and various orchestras,
big bands, and academics -and anyone i forgot! -around the globe who have
seen fit to honor Frank's last wishes -- 'Play My Music'

Despite the bile coming from D'Weasel and Snail Zappa.

yeah -- you bet that is fucking nasty -- I can dish it out when cornered.

Check out <a href="http://www.aldimeola.com" target="_blank">http://www.aldimeola.com</a> to see where the hell i'll be. Come say
hi!!

peACe

16 June 2006

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#2: Re: Words from Andre Cholmondeley

Posted on 2006-07-03 14:32:22 by Squanto McGorbachev

&quot;Michael J. Ventura&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Ignatz&#64;squatmail.com" target="_blank">Ignatz&#64;squatmail.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; This is Andre's latest posting in the &quot;NEWS&quot; section of the P/O website:
&gt; ____________________________________________________________ __________________
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; hey all
&gt;
&gt; here's hoping the late spring/early summer is treating you well..... did
&gt; you catch the Zappa Plays Zappa shows??? I have been hearing nothing but
&gt; good news (except for D'Weasel's insistence on slagging every band ,
&gt; including us, that has worked so hard to keep his Dad's music alive while
&gt; he was hosting bullshit Food Network shows)
&gt;
&gt; but, i digress
&gt;
&gt; I personally missed the shows 'cos i was real busy with my new gig --
&gt; Guitar Tech/Road Manager for 'Another Great Italian'....the one and only
&gt; Al Di Meola!
&gt;
&gt; yes indeed, it's a crazy story and i'll tell it someday, but basically i
&gt; have just done a short tour with the man, one that quickly spanned from
&gt; way northern Canada all the way down to Chattanooga Tennessee... it was
&gt; amazing, his band is amazing, and watching Al burn down the house from 20
&gt; ft away every night has made my life. Another one of my guitar heroes, and
&gt; an inspiration to me for well over 25 years...working with Al is a
&gt; complete trip and he has endorsed my hard work by personally asking me to
&gt; join him again on tour this coming fall 2006.
&gt;
&gt; He has an amazing new CD coming out on SEP 26 - 'The Consequences Of
&gt; Chaos' (Telarc) - it features old friends and co-conspirators Barry Miles,
&gt; Chick Corea, John Pattitucci and Steve Gadd as special guests, as well as
&gt; his killer long time band featuring Gumbi Ortiz , Ernie Adams and Mario
&gt; Parmisano.
&gt; Al delivers a smorgasbord of tasty guitar-- classical, PRS, Ovation
&gt; acoustic, VG88 tones, and more. He also turns in some keyboard work via
&gt; the groundbreaking Korg OASYS
&gt;
&gt; We will tour the USA and Europe in support of it - the first leg of this
&gt; tour goes from about Oct 10-Nov 10, give or take a week..... and then we
&gt; plan to do some stuff in Asia in the Winter of 2007.. stay tuned!!
&gt;
&gt; What does this all mean for Project/;Object??? Well-- we were taking the
&gt; fall off anyway... drummer Eric Slick is about to tour with ADRIAN BELEW,
&gt; and bassist Dave Johnsen has been doing mucho road work with his own band
&gt; QUISQUEYA as well as Gregg Bendian's THE MAHAVISHNU PROJECT, while keys
&gt; player Eric Svalgard is busy preparing for the opening of his very own
&gt; School Of Rock in Wilimington Delaware, on July 1 2006...
&gt;
&gt; so - we're swamped... with music!! I am also currently booking some dates
&gt; for Al , as well as another Don Preston lecture/performance tour for
&gt; september-october. stay tuned for details on ALL of the above ....and we
&gt; are happy to say that the very capable Zappa plays Zappa will more that
&gt; keep y'all happy and filled with Zappa music, which has always been our
&gt; goal!! Too bad, the bitter, insane, musically-ignorant Gail Zappa can't
&gt; find it in her 'heart' to say a word of support or Thanks to any of us,
&gt; the ingrate.!!
&gt;
&gt; So - here and now - i SALUTE Banned From Utopia, Bogus Pomp, Voice of
&gt; Cheez, URR, Ed Palermo, the GrandeMothers, the Muffin Men, Cucurullo
&gt; Brullo Brillo, Ossi Duri, of course my very own Project/Object...and
&gt; various orchestras, big bands, and academics -and anyone i forgot! -around
&gt; the globe who have seen fit to honor Frank's last wishes -- 'Play My
&gt; Music'
&gt;
&gt; Despite the bile coming from D'Weasel and Snail Zappa.
&gt;
&gt; yeah -- you bet that is fucking nasty -- I can dish it out when cornered.
&gt;
&gt; Check out <a href="http://www.aldimeola.com" target="_blank">http://www.aldimeola.com</a> to see where the hell i'll be. Come say
&gt; hi!!
&gt;
&gt; peACe
&gt;
&gt; 16 June 2006

Yowch!!

As an &quot;outsider&quot; I find the whole rancor thing (from both sides) to be
off-putting in the extreme.

First of all, Frank himself probably wouldn't have had any praise for most
of the cover bands, especially the ones that
don't PAY for the rights to perform his music, or cut corners and butcher
the melody of &quot;Let's Move
To Cleveland&quot; (Project/Object).

Then the ZFT causes animosity within the ranks of fans and ex-musicians by
pulling some cryptic shit
OR releasing a CD with liner notes written by some chick from &quot;A Different
World&quot;, not to mention
seeming to not have a clue as to what constitutes interesting content to
Zappa fans (ZPZ excluded).

So, FUCK IT! Bootleg and distribute every show - the more the better! Make
sure that Frank's music
gets diluted and overplayed by every orchestra and two-bit Frank wannabee
with an amplifier.
Let THEM determine how Frank's music should be interpreted.
Download ALL of Frank's music from newsgroups...!...never pay for it, then
get really mad when the ZFT is reticent to
flood the market with new releases - OH! And don't forget to kvetch
endlessly about every single one.

And furthermore, to the parties INVOLVED. Be sure to make your attacks
against each other
as personal and insulting as possible. Never consider softening your
position. This is WAR! Wanton displays of
couth and class are just so unnecessarily common. Who needs it? That way
you can
be sure that Frank will spend the next century SPINNING in his unmarked
grave.

That is what you wanted, isn't it?

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#3: Re: Words from Andre Cholmondeley

Posted on 2006-07-03 15:39:22 by John Henley

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:hKqdnap3iuY2WDrZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d&#64;comcast.com" target="_blank">hKqdnap3iuY2WDrZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d&#64;comcast.com</a>&gt;, Michael J.
Ventura &lt;<a href="mailto:Ignatz&#64;squatmail.com" target="_blank">Ignatz&#64;squatmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt; This is Andre's latest posting in the &quot;NEWS&quot; section of the P/O website:
&gt; ____________________________________________________________ __________________
&gt;
&gt; .... my new gig -- Guitar
&gt; Tech/Road Manager for 'Another Great Italian'....the one and only Al Di
&gt; Meola!
&gt;
&gt; ....Another one of my guitar heroes, and an
&gt; inspiration to me for well over 25 years...working with Al is a complete
&gt; trip and he has endorsed my hard work by personally asking me to join him
&gt; again on tour this coming fall 2006.

But did he say anything about your shoes?



John Henley

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#4: Re: Words from Andre Cholmondeley

Posted on 2006-07-03 22:33:05 by Alan Tignanelli

Squanto McGorbachev wrote:

&gt; First of all, Frank himself probably wouldn't have had any praise for most
&gt; of the cover bands, especially the ones that
&gt; don't PAY for the rights to perform his music, or cut corners and butcher
&gt; the melody of &quot;Let's Move
&gt; To Cleveland&quot; (Project/Object).

As I understand it, venues pay licensing fees for the right to have live music performed, not the
bands themselves. Set lists are to be reported and the fees calculated from there. As for playing
the songs &quot;just like Frank did&quot;, Frank changed them quite a bit himself, so they didn't seem to be
sacred to him. Come to think of it, remembering the 1988 tour, I seem to recall some covers that
Frank played that weren't exactly as written...

Alan

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#5: Re: Words from Andre Cholmondeley

Posted on 2006-07-04 03:06:13 by Squanto McGorbachev

&quot;Alan Tignanelli&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:aftSPAMTOYOURMOTHER&#64;tignanelli.com" target="_blank">aftSPAMTOYOURMOTHER&#64;tignanelli.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Squanto McGorbachev wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; First of all, Frank himself probably wouldn't have had any praise for
&gt;&gt; most of the cover bands, especially the ones that
&gt;&gt; don't PAY for the rights to perform his music, or cut corners and butcher
&gt;&gt; the melody of &quot;Let's Move
&gt;&gt; To Cleveland&quot; (Project/Object).
&gt;
&gt; As I understand it, venues pay licensing fees for the right to have live
&gt; music performed, not the bands themselves. Set lists are to be reported
&gt; and the fees calculated from there. As for playing the songs &quot;just like
&gt; Frank did&quot;, Frank changed them quite a bit himself, so they didn't seem to
&gt; be sacred to him. Come to think of it, remembering the 1988 tour, I seem
&gt; to recall some covers that Frank played that weren't exactly as written...
&gt;
&gt; Alan

Right Alan, I agree,

BUT, using quotes around &quot;just like Frank did&quot; misrepresents what I wrote
and spins it a different way than I intended (since I didn't use those
words). You may believe what you wish, but I think that Frank was the only
one with the right to really change anything. Realistically, he left so
many excellent versions of his pieces that I can't see the neccesity to
change them. Someone can, that's fine - no problem. But nobody is gonna do
it like Frank would have, and Frank's brain brought us all here to this
newsgroup.

Thanks for the clarification on the royalties issue. I was always under
the impression that it was up to the bands to submit a playlist to ASCAP or
BMI or whoever does that stuff. My mistake.

**Frank changed them quite a bit himself, so they didn't seem to be
sacred to him.**

They WERE sacred to him, the changes too. Why the FUCK would you expend
every ounce of your time and energy every day to invent and produce them????
And then to fight and struggle with the business end of music...just
because????
Sacred and Profane.

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#6: Re: Words from Andre Cholmondeley

Posted on 2006-07-04 04:05:14 by pbuzby2002

Squanto McGorbachev wrote:
&gt; &quot;Alan Tignanelli&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:aftSPAMTOYOURMOTHER&#64;tignanelli.com" target="_blank">aftSPAMTOYOURMOTHER&#64;tignanelli.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:ofydnTxW6_Wc4jTZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com..." target="_blank">ofydnTxW6_Wc4jTZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com...</a>

&gt; **Frank changed them quite a bit himself, so they didn't seem to be
&gt; sacred to him.**
&gt;
&gt; They WERE sacred to him, the changes too.

Not always. Sometimes the sideguys like Arthur Barrow or Mike Keneally
knew the old material more than FZ did.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL

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#7: Re: Words from Andre Cholmondeley

Posted on 2006-07-04 05:22:59 by Squanto McGorbachev

&lt;<a href="mailto:pbuzby2002&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">pbuzby2002&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt; Squanto McGorbachev wrote:
&gt;&gt; &quot;Alan Tignanelli&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:aftSPAMTOYOURMOTHER&#64;tignanelli.com" target="_blank">aftSPAMTOYOURMOTHER&#64;tignanelli.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt;&gt; **Frank changed them quite a bit himself, so they didn't seem to be
&gt;&gt; sacred to him.**
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; They WERE sacred to him, the changes too.
&gt;
&gt; Not always. Sometimes the sideguys like Arthur Barrow or Mike Keneally
&gt; knew the old material more than FZ did.
&gt;
&gt; Pat Buzby
&gt; Chicago, IL
&gt;

Right-ho, you can't argue with that.

But, you can't argue with the fact that
Zappa's personal stamp was all over everything he did.
His music exists today through the sheer force of his personality.

Nobody can recreate it. Not Arthur Barrow, not ANYONE.
I really do appreciate when people try, though. No matter who they
are. I am an absolute Zappa fanatic. How could one not be?

He ain't dead yet.



-Squanto McGorvachev-

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#8: Words for Andre Cholmondeley i guess there's no more object for your project ! boo fucking hoo

Posted on 2006-07-04 09:31:07 by zappatears

face it man zpz blows away project sloopy zappa

i especially enjoyed the atlanta show where there

were more people in the band than the audience !

priceless !





&gt;This is Andre's latest posting in the &quot;NEWS&quot; section of the P/O website:
&gt; ____________________________________________________________ __________________
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;hey all
&gt;
&gt;here's hoping the late spring/early summer is treating you well..... did you
&gt;catch the Zappa Plays Zappa shows??? I have been hearing nothing but good
&gt;news (except for D'Weasel's insistence on slagging every band , including
&gt;us, that has worked so hard to keep his Dad's music alive while he was
&gt;hosting bullshit Food Network shows)
&gt;
&gt;but, i digress
&gt;
&gt;I personally missed the shows 'cos i was real busy with my new gig -- Guitar
&gt;Tech/Road Manager for 'Another Great Italian'....the one and only Al Di
&gt;Meola!
&gt;
&gt;yes indeed, it's a crazy story and i'll tell it someday, but basically i
&gt;have just done a short tour with the man, one that quickly spanned from way
&gt;northern Canada all the way down to Chattanooga Tennessee... it was amazing,
&gt;his band is amazing, and watching Al burn down the house from 20 ft away
&gt;every night has made my life. Another one of my guitar heroes, and an
&gt;inspiration to me for well over 25 years...working with Al is a complete
&gt;trip and he has endorsed my hard work by personally asking me to join him
&gt;again on tour this coming fall 2006.
&gt;
&gt;He has an amazing new CD coming out on SEP 26 - 'The Consequences Of Chaos'
&gt;(Telarc) - it features old friends and co-conspirators Barry Miles, Chick
&gt;Corea, John Pattitucci and Steve Gadd as special guests, as well as his
&gt;killer long time band featuring Gumbi Ortiz , Ernie Adams and Mario
&gt;Parmisano.
&gt;Al delivers a smorgasbord of tasty guitar-- classical, PRS, Ovation
&gt;acoustic, VG88 tones, and more. He also turns in some keyboard work via the
&gt;groundbreaking Korg OASYS
&gt;
&gt;We will tour the USA and Europe in support of it - the first leg of this
&gt;tour goes from about Oct 10-Nov 10, give or take a week..... and then we
&gt;plan to do some stuff in Asia in the Winter of 2007.. stay tuned!!
&gt;
&gt;What does this all mean for Project/;Object??? Well-- we were taking the
&gt;fall off anyway... drummer Eric Slick is about to tour with ADRIAN BELEW,
&gt;and bassist Dave Johnsen has been doing mucho road work with his own band
&gt;QUISQUEYA as well as Gregg Bendian's THE MAHAVISHNU PROJECT, while keys
&gt;player Eric Svalgard is busy preparing for the opening of his very own
&gt;School Of Rock in Wilimington Delaware, on July 1 2006...
&gt;
&gt;so - we're swamped... with music!! I am also currently booking some dates
&gt;for Al , as well as another Don Preston lecture/performance tour for
&gt;september-october. stay tuned for details on ALL of the above ....and we are
&gt;happy to say that the very capable Zappa plays Zappa will more that keep
&gt;y'all happy and filled with Zappa music, which has always been our goal!!
&gt;Too bad, the bitter, insane, musically-ignorant Gail Zappa can't find it in
&gt;her 'heart' to say a word of support or Thanks to any of us, the ingrate.!!
&gt;
&gt;So - here and now - i SALUTE Banned From Utopia, Bogus Pomp, Voice of Cheez,
&gt;URR, Ed Palermo, the GrandeMothers, the Muffin Men, Cucurullo Brullo Brillo,
&gt;Ossi Duri, of course my very own Project/Object...and various orchestras,
&gt;big bands, and academics -and anyone i forgot! -around the globe who have
&gt;seen fit to honor Frank's last wishes -- 'Play My Music'
&gt;
&gt;Despite the bile coming from D'Weasel and Snail Zappa.
&gt;
&gt;yeah -- you bet that is fucking nasty -- I can dish it out when cornered.
&gt;
&gt;Check out <a href="http://www.aldimeola.com" target="_blank">http://www.aldimeola.com</a> to see where the hell i'll be. Come say
&gt;hi!!
&gt;
&gt;peACe
&gt;
&gt;16 June 2006

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#9: Re: Words from Andre Cholmondeley

Posted on 2006-07-04 09:33:45 by zappatears

On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 09:10:02 -0400, &quot;Michael J. Ventura&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:Ignatz&#64;squatmail.com" target="_blank">Ignatz&#64;squatmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;This is Andre's latest posting in the &quot;NEWS&quot; section of the P/O website:
&gt; ____________________________________________________________ __________________
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;hey all
&gt;
&gt;here's hoping the late spring/early summer is treating you well..... did you
&gt;catch the Zappa Plays Zappa shows??? I have been hearing nothing but good
&gt;news (except for D'Weasel's insistence on slagging every band , including
&gt;us, that has worked so hard to keep his Dad's music alive while he was
&gt;hosting bullshit Food Network shows)
&gt;
&gt;but, i digress
&gt;
&gt;I personally missed the shows 'cos i was real busy with my new gig -- Guitar
&gt;Tech/Road Manager for 'Another Great Italian'....the one and only Al Di
&gt;Meola!
&gt;
&gt;yes indeed, it's a crazy story and i'll tell it someday, but basically i
&gt;have just done a short tour with the man, one that quickly spanned from way
&gt;northern Canada all the way down to Chattanooga Tennessee... it was amazing,
&gt;his band is amazing, and watching Al burn down the house from 20 ft away
&gt;every night has made my life. Another one of my guitar heroes, and an
&gt;inspiration to me for well over 25 years...working with Al is a complete
&gt;trip and he has endorsed my hard work by personally asking me to join him
&gt;again on tour this coming fall 2006.
&gt;
&gt;He has an amazing new CD coming out on SEP 26 - 'The Consequences Of Chaos'
&gt;(Telarc) - it features old friends and co-conspirators Barry Miles, Chick
&gt;Corea, John Pattitucci and Steve Gadd as special guests, as well as his
&gt;killer long time band featuring Gumbi Ortiz , Ernie Adams and Mario
&gt;Parmisano.
&gt;Al delivers a smorgasbord of tasty guitar-- classical, PRS, Ovation
&gt;acoustic, VG88 tones, and more. He also turns in some keyboard work via the
&gt;groundbreaking Korg OASYS
&gt;
&gt;We will tour the USA and Europe in support of it - the first leg of this
&gt;tour goes from about Oct 10-Nov 10, give or take a week..... and then we
&gt;plan to do some stuff in Asia in the Winter of 2007.. stay tuned!!
&gt;
&gt;What does this all mean for Project/;Object??? Well-- we were taking the
&gt;fall off anyway... drummer Eric Slick is about to tour with ADRIAN BELEW,
&gt;and bassist Dave Johnsen has been doing mucho road work with his own band
&gt;QUISQUEYA as well as Gregg Bendian's THE MAHAVISHNU PROJECT, while keys
&gt;player Eric Svalgard is busy preparing for the opening of his very own
&gt;School Of Rock in Wilimington Delaware, on July 1 2006...
&gt;
&gt;so - we're swamped... with music!! I am also currently booking some dates
&gt;for Al , as well as another Don Preston lecture/performance tour for
&gt;september-october. stay tuned for details on ALL of the above ....and we are
&gt;happy to say that the very capable Zappa plays Zappa will more that keep
&gt;y'all happy and filled with Zappa music, which has always been our goal!!
&gt;Too bad, the bitter, insane, musically-ignorant Gail Zappa can't find it in
&gt;her 'heart' to say a word of support or Thanks to any of us, the ingrate.!!
&gt;
&gt;So - here and now - i SALUTE Banned From Utopia, Bogus Pomp, Voice of Cheez,
&gt;URR, Ed Palermo, the GrandeMothers, the Muffin Men, Cucurullo Brullo Brillo,
&gt;Ossi Duri, of course my very own Project/Object...and various orchestras,
&gt;big bands, and academics -and anyone i forgot! -around the globe who have
&gt;seen fit to honor Frank's last wishes -- 'Play My Music'
&gt;
&gt;Despite the bile coming from D'Weasel and Snail Zappa.
&gt;
&gt;yeah -- you bet that is fucking nasty -- I can dish it out when cornered.
&gt;
&gt;Check out <a href="http://www.aldimeola.com" target="_blank">http://www.aldimeola.com</a> to see where the hell i'll be. Come say
&gt;hi!!
&gt;
&gt;peACe
&gt;
&gt;16 June 2006















did i ever tell the story of mahavishnu opening for frank

10-29-75 waterbury

they were booed off the stage before finishing their first song


they didnt even bother to try to play the 2nd show !


never say anything like it

frank owned waterbury !

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#10: Re: Words from Andre Cholmondeley

Posted on 2006-07-04 18:12:56 by Tom K

&quot;Squanto McGorbachev&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:smUg&#64;canneloni.tv" target="_blank">smUg&#64;canneloni.tv</a>&gt; skrev i en meddelelse
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&gt; &quot;Alan Tignanelli&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:aftSPAMTOYOURMOTHER&#64;tignanelli.com" target="_blank">aftSPAMTOYOURMOTHER&#64;tignanelli.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; Squanto McGorbachev wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; First of all, Frank himself probably wouldn't have had any praise for
&gt;&gt;&gt; most of the cover bands, especially the ones that
&gt;&gt;&gt; don't PAY for the rights to perform his music, or cut corners and
&gt;&gt;&gt; butcher the melody of &quot;Let's Move
&gt;&gt;&gt; To Cleveland&quot; (Project/Object).
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; As I understand it, venues pay licensing fees for the right to have live
&gt;&gt; music performed, not the bands themselves. Set lists are to be reported
&gt;&gt; and the fees calculated from there. As for playing the songs &quot;just like
&gt;&gt; Frank did&quot;, Frank changed them quite a bit himself, so they didn't seem
&gt;&gt; to be sacred to him. Come to think of it, remembering the 1988 tour, I
&gt;&gt; seem to recall some covers that Frank played that weren't exactly as
&gt;&gt; written...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Alan
&gt;
&gt; Right Alan, I agree,
&gt;
&gt; BUT, using quotes around &quot;just like Frank did&quot; misrepresents what I
&gt; wrote and spins it a different way than I intended (since I didn't use
&gt; those words). You may believe what you wish, but I think that Frank was
&gt; the only one with the right to really change anything.


It's always been the creative musicians right to interpret a given &quot;song&quot;.
Some, properbly most, would not be at FZ's level, but to try and do the
material the way FZ did would be stupid for anyone, even if they could. Why
bother, just play the record.
Maybe I feel this way because I spend a lot of my time and energy in jazz or
jazzrelated bands, but I'm quite shure that Frankie would agree.


&gt;Realistically, he left so many excellent versions of his pieces that I
&gt;can't see the neccesity to change them. Someone can, that's fine - no
&gt;problem.


Now I'm confused, do we have a license or not???



But nobody is gonna do
&gt; it like Frank would have, and Frank's brain brought us all here to this
&gt; newsgroup.
&gt;
&gt; Thanks for the clarification on the royalties issue. I was always under
&gt; the impression that it was up to the bands to submit a playlist to ASCAP
&gt; or BMI or whoever does that stuff. My mistake.
&gt;
&gt; **Frank changed them quite a bit himself, so they didn't seem to be
&gt; sacred to him.**
&gt;
&gt; They WERE sacred to him, the changes too. Why the FUCK would you expend
&gt; every ounce of your time and energy every day to invent and produce
&gt; them???? And then to fight and struggle with the business end of
&gt; music...just because????
&gt; Sacred and Profane.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

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#11: Re: Words from Andre Cholmondeley

Posted on 2006-07-04 19:03:06 by Alan Tignanelli

Squanto McGorbachev wrote:
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&gt;
&gt;&gt;Squanto McGorbachev wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;First of all, Frank himself probably wouldn't have had any praise for
&gt;&gt;&gt;most of the cover bands, especially the ones that
&gt;&gt;&gt;don't PAY for the rights to perform his music, or cut corners and butcher
&gt;&gt;&gt;the melody of &quot;Let's Move
&gt;&gt;&gt;To Cleveland&quot; (Project/Object).
&gt;&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Right Alan, I agree,
&gt;
&gt; BUT, using quotes around &quot;just like Frank did&quot; misrepresents what I wrote
&gt; and spins it a different way than I intended (since I didn't use those
&gt; words). You may believe what you wish, but I think that Frank was the only
&gt; one with the right to really change anything. Realistically, he left so
&gt; many excellent versions of his pieces that I can't see the neccesity to
&gt; change them. Someone can, that's fine - no problem. But nobody is gonna do
&gt; it like Frank would have, and Frank's brain brought us all here to this
&gt; newsgroup.

Didn't mean to misrepresent your intentions, but I've read numerous things on this tour in mags and
posts, and I just kind of boiled it all together. What it boils down to, for me, is that music,
especially *live* music, is not a static thing. Frank didn't keep things static, and quite frankly,
if a band (any band) is going to play things JUST LIKE THE RECORD, then I'd rather stay home and
just listen to the record.

Another thing about the Frank arrangements (and someone can correct me if I'm wrong), but weren't a
lot of the later tour arrangements at least partially in the hands of the Clonemeister?

What it all comes down to, in my addled mind, is that there's not necessarily ONE RIGHT WAY to play
any given piece of music. It's a living, breathing thing.

Alan

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#12: Re: Words from Andre Cholmondeley

Posted on 2006-07-04 19:11:02 by pbuzby2002

Alan Tignanelli wrote:
&gt; Another thing about the Frank arrangements (and someone can correct me if I'm wrong), but weren't a
&gt; lot of the later tour arrangements at least partially in the hands of the Clonemeister?

My understanding is that the Clonemeister would handle the gruntwork of
making sure the musicians knew the song as it existed on previous
records/tours, after which FZ would come in and tweak it.

Of course, three former Clonemeisters (Mann, Barrow and Thunes) have
posted here in the past and may have their own views on that question,
but none of them have been here in a while.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL

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