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#1: Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull: "Frank Zappa... was unable to escapehis more eccentrically comic w

Posted on 2006-06-30 21:04:53 by caltrop

A Conversation with Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull

June 30, 2006
Larry Sakin
<a href="http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/06/30/060136.php" target="_blank">http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/06/30/060136.php</a>

There are few rock musicians that can say theyÂve experienced all
the different phases the musical form has taken in the last forty
years or more. One of them is Jethro Tull vocalist, flautist,
violinist, rhythm guitarist, and songwriter, Ian Anderson. I
spoke with him by phone earlier this month as he was preparing to
tour Europe and Asia.

[snip]

In between his solo recording and his work with Tull, Anderson
has been working with full classical/pop orchestral arrangements
of Tull music. In July, Anderson will be touring the US, playing
with several orchestras.

ÂItÂs a great challenge, something I look forward to. For me,
itÂs just another progression for these songs, another chance to
improvise on the established themes. ItÂs so important for a
musician not to be trapped into a form. Frank Zappa worked a
number of forms, but was unable to escape his more eccentrically
comic work. In a way, it kind of ruined him because people
couldnÂt appreciate the directions he chose after he was through
with all of that. I donÂt want what Tull has done in the past to
be completely representative of us. WeÂve all grown as musicians,
and our work has grown with us. Keeping the music fresh keeps me
thinking of new ways to interpret what weÂve done, and allows our
songs to find a wider audience. What could be better than that?Â

[snip]

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#2: Re: Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull: "Frank Zappa... was unable to escape his more eccentrically co

Posted on 2006-07-01 02:22:59 by Gary

Interesting theory, and probably true, but if he had skipped the comedy
music and just done all that incredible music he would not have reached
as large an audience to begin with. So net net I think his audience
was larger for the cool music even as a result of the comedy stuff.

Amazing though that Tull is still grinding it out, I always really
liked them too.

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#3: Re: Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull: "Frank Zappa... was unable to escapehis more eccentrically com

Posted on 2006-07-01 04:00:46 by Michael Gula

Gary wrote:

&gt; Interesting theory, and probably true, but if he had skipped the comedy
&gt; music and just done all that incredible music he would not have reached
&gt; as large an audience to begin with.

And he wouldn't have been true to himself, which probably meant more
than anything else.

It didn't 'ruin' him. Anderson is wrong.

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#4: Re: Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull: "Frank Zappa... was unable to escape his more eccentrically co

Posted on 2006-07-01 12:01:47 by Dirk Van de moortel

&quot;Michael Gula&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mikegula&#64;erols.com" target="_blank">mikegula&#64;erols.com</a>&gt; wrote in message news:<a href="mailto:4vydnWf2YPDKSjjZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d&#64;rcn.net..." target="_blank">4vydnWf2YPDKSjjZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d&#64;rcn.net...</a>
&gt; Gary wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Interesting theory, and probably true, but if he had skipped the comedy
&gt;&gt; music and just done all that incredible music he would not have reached
&gt;&gt; as large an audience to begin with.
&gt;
&gt; And he wouldn't have been true to himself, which probably meant more than anything else.
&gt;
&gt; It didn't 'ruin' him. Anderson is wrong.

Absolutely. He should have said:
&quot;In a way, it kind of ruined him because I, Ian Anderson,
couldn't appreciate the directions he chose after he was
through with all of that&quot;

What a silly thing to say.

Dirk Vdm

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#5: Re: Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull: "Frank Zappa... was unable to escapehis more eccentrically com

Posted on 2006-07-01 15:04:49 by TotlBastrd

Why the hell is it that rock acts don't feel they've made it until
they've worked with an orchestra?

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#6: Re: Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull: "Frank Zappa... was unable to escapehis more eccentrically com

Posted on 2006-07-01 16:18:20 by Dan Buxbaum

&gt;
&gt; Why the hell is it that rock acts don't feel they've made it until
&gt; they've worked with an orchestra?
&gt;

For Ian, working with an orchestra puts more emphasis on the
&quot;instrumental&quot; arrangements rather than &quot;vocal&quot;, since his voice has
diminished over the years, while his instrumental talents have even
improved--it could be argued.

I agree with his assessment of FZ, but Frank always tried to remain
'topical' in his (song-based) subject matter and musical satirical
elements live, which caused a certain uneveness--and more change-over
stylistically from band to band; while Tull was based in a more
'timeless' British folk-rock/blues/rock n' roll/Monty Python
tradition--though they pushed the envelope enough as well, especially in
the &quot;prog&quot; seventies.




---
(or maybe not)

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#7: Re: Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull: "Frank Zappa... was unable to escape his more eccentrically co

Posted on 2006-07-01 16:23:57 by Dirk Van de moortel

&quot;Big Al Tomatoes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:stabulox2u&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">stabulox2u&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message news:<a href="mailto:_JidnT6E7YL27jvZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com..." target="_blank">_JidnT6E7YL27jvZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d&#64;adelphia.com...</a>
&gt;
&gt; Why the hell is it that rock acts don't feel they've made it until they've worked with an orchestra?

Because the orchestra act might help mom and dad noticing
and perhaps even appreciating ;-)

Dirk Vdm

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#8: Re: Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull: "Frank Zappa... was unable to escapehis more eccentrically com

Posted on 2006-07-01 19:27:45 by caltrop

Gary said the following:

&gt; Interesting theory, and probably true, but if he had skipped the comedy
&gt; music and just done all that incredible music he would not have reached
&gt; as large an audience to begin with.

The &quot;comedy music&quot; was a means to an end, as I believe, FZ
himself stated. Without doing the &quot;comedy music&quot; he would have
been a starving artist creating virtually unheard &quot;classical&quot;
music far outside the accepted norm for that oeuvre.

&gt; So net net I think his audience
&gt; was larger for the cool music even as a result of the comedy stuff.

Yes, I believe so. His &quot;comedy music&quot; and outstanding rock music
endeared me to him enough that, as a musical ignorant, I delved
into and appreciated not only his &quot;classical music&quot;, but, that of
Varese, Xenakis, and avant garde music in general.

If FZ hadn't shown and led me to alternatives, I likely would
have remained just another mindless sheep subsisting on what is
now considered classic rock, and, oldies music.


Addendum - It is the lack of avant garde music being broadcast on
Sirius satellite radio that is my second biggest complaint with
that service; right behind not enough FZ, Beefheart, and related
artists being played.

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#9: Re: Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull: "Frank Zappa... was unable to escape his more eccentrically co

Posted on 2006-07-01 19:28:29 by caltrop

Michael Gula said the following:

&gt; It didn't 'ruin' him. Anderson is wrong.

True that.

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#10: Re: Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull: "Frank Zappa... was unable to escapehis more eccentrically com

Posted on 2006-07-01 19:43:59 by caltrop

Dirk Van de moortel said the following:

&gt;&gt; &quot;Michael Gula&quot; wrote
&gt;&gt; It didn't 'ruin' him. Anderson is wrong.

&gt; Absolutely. He should have said:
&gt; &quot;In a way, it kind of ruined him because I, Ian Anderson,
&gt; couldn't appreciate the directions he chose

That was enough of a statement for me to accept without following
it with:

&gt;after he was through with all of that&quot;

&gt; What a silly thing to say.

Yes, but it was an interview which typically, or should, contain
subjective content. We are only able to disagree with Anderson's
comment. Perhaps he simply misstated his perceptions or knowledge
of FZ's career in the nanoseconds required to state something
analogous to what he wished for Tull.

But then, I've been wrong before in analyzing what I, and many
other people, think and say.

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#11: Re: Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull: "Frank Zappa... was unable to escape his more eccentrically co

Posted on 2006-07-01 20:42:29 by pbuzby2002

Shrike! wrote:
&gt; Gary said the following:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Interesting theory, and probably true, but if he had skipped the comedy
&gt; &gt; music and just done all that incredible music he would not have reached
&gt; &gt; as large an audience to begin with.
&gt;
&gt; The &quot;comedy music&quot; was a means to an end, as I believe, FZ
&gt; himself stated. Without doing the &quot;comedy music&quot; he would have
&gt; been a starving artist creating virtually unheard &quot;classical&quot;
&gt; music far outside the accepted norm for that oeuvre.

Even FZ's orchestral music often included comedic elements. IMO,
Anderson's suggestion that the association happened against FZ's wishes
is incorrect.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL

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#12: Re: Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull: "Frank Zappa... was unable to escape his more eccentrically co

Posted on 2006-07-01 20:45:36 by Dirk Van de moortel

&quot;Shrike!&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:caltrop&#64;newsguy.com" target="_blank">caltrop&#64;newsguy.com</a>&gt; wrote in message news:<a href="mailto:44A6B45F.2080005&#64;newsguy.com..." target="_blank">44A6B45F.2080005&#64;newsguy.com...</a>
&gt; Dirk Van de moortel said the following:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;Michael Gula&quot; wrote
&gt;&gt;&gt; It didn't 'ruin' him. Anderson is wrong.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Absolutely. He should have said:
&gt;&gt; &quot;In a way, it kind of ruined him because I, Ian Anderson,
&gt;&gt; couldn't appreciate the directions he chose
&gt;
&gt; That was enough of a statement for me to accept without following it with:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;after he was through with all of that&quot;
&gt;
&gt;&gt; What a silly thing to say.
&gt;
&gt; Yes, but it was an interview which typically, or should, contain subjective content. We are only able to disagree with Anderson's
&gt; comment. Perhaps he simply misstated his perceptions or knowledge of FZ's career in the nanoseconds required to state something
&gt; analogous to what he wished for Tull.

Yes, of course, possibly.

&gt;
&gt; But then, I've been wrong before in analyzing what I, and many other people, think and say.

Haven't we all, so many many times?
It's what can make a little chat interesting :-)

Dirk Vdm

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#13: Re: Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull: "Frank Zappa... was unable to escape his more eccentrically co

Posted on 2006-07-04 18:34:31 by Steve Brooks

David Z wrote:
&gt; &quot;Michael Gula&quot; wrote
&gt;&gt; Gary wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Interesting theory, and probably true, but if he had skipped the
&gt;&gt;&gt; comedy music and just done all that incredible music he would
&gt;&gt;&gt; not have reached as large an audience to begin with.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; And he wouldn't have been true to himself, which probably
&gt;&gt; meant more than anything else.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; It didn't 'ruin' him. Anderson is wrong.
&gt;
&gt; I agree with Michael here.
&gt;
&gt; I'm a big fan of Tull, particularly their 1968-73 period. But I think
&gt; Anderson doesn't fully comprehend Frank's work. Humor is as much a
&gt; part of Zappa's music as the notes.

Often the humour is in the notes.

--

SB

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#14: Re: Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull: "Frank Zappa... was unable to escape his more eccentrically co

Posted on 2006-07-05 10:58:52 by zappatears

On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:16:57 -0400, &quot;David Z&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:me&#64;privacy.net" target="_blank">me&#64;privacy.net</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;&quot;Michael Gula&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mikegula&#64;erols.com" target="_blank">mikegula&#64;erols.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt;news:<a href="mailto:4vydnWf2YPDKSjjZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d&#64;rcn.net..." target="_blank">4vydnWf2YPDKSjjZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d&#64;rcn.net...</a>
&gt;&gt; Gary wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Interesting theory, and probably true, but if he had skipped the
&gt;&gt; &gt; comedy music and just done all that incredible music he would
&gt;&gt; &gt; not have reached as large an audience to begin with.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; And he wouldn't have been true to himself, which probably
&gt;&gt; meant more than anything else.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; It didn't 'ruin' him. Anderson is wrong.
&gt;
&gt;I agree with Michael here.
&gt;
&gt;I'm a big fan of Tull, particularly their 1968-73 period. But I think
&gt;Anderson doesn't fully comprehend Frank's work. Humor is as much a part
&gt;of Zappa's music as the notes.
&gt;
&gt;And Frank's humor withstands the test of time as much as the rest of his
&gt;music. I'm continually amazed at how funny his stuff is even listening
&gt;to it the 100th time. How many comedy routines would still be funny
&gt;after that much repetition?
&gt;



i think ian was right

ask anybody about fz and all they know are the comedy songs

too fucking bad !

and iv'e been saying it for 25 years !

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#15: Re: Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull: "Frank Zappa... was unable to escapehis more eccentrically com

Posted on 2006-07-06 05:58:18 by Dave W

Michael Gula wrote:
&gt; Gary wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Interesting theory, and probably true, but if he had skipped the comedy
&gt;&gt; music and just done all that incredible music he would not have reached
&gt;&gt; as large an audience to begin with.
&gt;
&gt; And he wouldn't have been true to himself, which probably meant more
&gt; than anything else.
&gt;
&gt; It didn't 'ruin' him. Anderson is wrong.

Well, Frank needed to continue to produce more commercial (to his fan
base) comedy music to support his desire to produce his less commercial
endeavors, like LSO, Jazz From Hell, Boulez, and Yellow Shark. If he
would have continued to only produce Jazz From Hell type works, he would
have quickly gone out of business. I actually prefer his more serious
works, which I think have held up better over time than silly pieces
like Dinah-Moe Humm and Titties 'n Beer.

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