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#1: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-01 06:27:45 by morgothscurse2002

Our beloved comrade Alatar seems to have vanished from the face of the
Earth, so I have taken the liberty of launching this year's Roll Call.
:-) (I have not included the usual link to her website as it is
defunct, but at least this information will be available on Google.)



NAME:
DOB:
SEX:
SPECIES:
NATIONALITY:
POSTING SINCE:
HEROES:
LIKES:
DISLIKES:
EMAIL:
WEBSITE:
Favorite Tolkien-related website:
Favorite book/story by Tolkien:
Do Balrogs have wings?:
Do Elves have pointed ears?:
Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?:
Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?:
Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?:
Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?:
Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?:
Do Dwarven women have beards?:
Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel in
LOTR?:
Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?:
NOTES:






Morgoth's Curse

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#2: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-01 08:22:19 by Phlip

> Do Balrogs have wings?:

Except when wizards need them to fall, and not escape from a mountain peak
via flight. Let's just say they needed a runway...

> Do Elves have pointed ears?:

Leaf shaped. (Let's hope that doesn't mean sassafras leaves!)

> Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?:

Frodo's mind merged with the Ring, and they spoke together, using its power.
See my "mount doom" post.

Frodo's and the Ring's words and intent merged because once the Ring rejects
someone, they stay rejected forever, and because Frodo no longer had the
strength to stand, much less speak in a commanding voice.

The Ring alone did not speak. Suppose Frodo had laid the Ring on the ground
before Gollum and stepped back. The Ring would not have spoken, by itself.
It doesn't have that kind of sentience, or vocal chords. And it wasn't
Turin's black sword. Gollum would have been in deep doo-doo, anyway.

> Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?:

Yes, but per Tolkien's letters they were too far from home (and their rings)
to be effective. Frodo resisted, to the end, both with the Ring and in
despite of it. Wearing it let them see him and target him, but wielding it
let Frodo begin to command them, and limited their choice of weapons.

> Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?:

No - I thought the book covered that.

Among other details, their rings would have made their clothes invisible, so
nothing would give shape to their nothingness.

> Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?:

The frontier between two civilizations is always a trouble spot. And Dwarves
and Elves have too many conflicting traits for any alliances to last.

Exception - Eregion, Khazad Dum, Lorien. "Those were happier times" --
Gandalf, right?

> Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?:

Eowyn. A sword in the face is a sword in the face, no matter who crafted it.
And stumbling towards it helps. Except...

The book carefully specifies that Merry's sword, biting first, broke the
undead spell that held the wraith's sinews together in the wraith-world,
under his willpower. One might surmise that Eowyn's sword, not magicked by
Arnoreans, would not have worked on undead flesh, and that Merry's sword
briefly made him susceptible.

> Do Dwarven women have beards?:

Yes, but neatly braided, and not mustaches or sideburns.

> Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel in
> LOTR?:

Yes - this is epistemological canon (but not publish book canon). G
reincarnated and was given permission to appear in FotR as a plot device.

> Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?:

Peter Jackson admirably revealed the power of the printed word.

--
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#3: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-01 14:33:49 by TT Arvind

&gt; &gt; Do Elves have pointed ears?:
&gt;
&gt; Leaf shaped. (Let's hope that doesn't mean sassafras leaves!)

Banana leaves, comrades, banana leaves.

(<a href="http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&amp;hl=ta&amp;lr=&amp;q=banana+leaves" target="_blank"> http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&amp;hl=ta&amp;lr=&a mp;q=banana+leaves</a>)

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#4: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-02 01:40:06 by Troels Forchhammer

In message &lt;news:<a href="mailto:a7uba21njgfu60pdjp0gab33hannnihd0r&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">a7uba21njgfu60pdjp0gab33hannnihd0r&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;
Morgoth's Curse &lt;<a href="mailto:morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com" target="_blank">morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com</a>&gt; enriched us
with:
&gt;
&gt; Our beloved comrade Alatar seems to have vanished from the face of
&gt; the Earth, so I have taken the liberty of launching this year's
&gt; Roll Call.

Anyone setting up a new web-site?

&gt; NAME:

Troels (which, despite what it may appear, is /not/ homophone with the
English word 'trolls') Forchhammer

&gt; DOB:

10/1966

&gt; SEX:

I'm of the cartesian persuation ;)

&gt; SPECIES:

Pure mind -- mental species ;)

&gt; NATIONALITY:

Danish

&gt; POSTING SINCE:

21 August, 2001

&gt; HEROES:

A number of authors including JRRT, Piet Hein and Hans Scherfig
Some explorers including Peter Freuchen, Thor Heyerdal, and Knud
Rasmussen
A number of physicists including Newton, Einstein, Dirac, Bohr, Rømer,
Brahe, and Feynman
As well as Lord Baden Powell, Søren Kirkegaard and Queen Margrethe II
of Denmark, Greenland and the Faroe Islands

&gt; LIKES:

Reading, Good food, my family (especially my 4 children), scouting, a
good debate and many other things as well.

&gt; DISLIKES:

Intolerance and stupidity.

&gt; EMAIL:

t.forch(a)email.dk
troelsfo(a)gmail.com

&gt; WEBSITE:
&gt; Favorite Tolkien-related website:

Need you ask?
tolkien.slimy.com, obviously.

And if I get to list more:
Ardalambion: <a href="http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/" target="_blank">http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/</a>
Ring FAQ <a href="http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/ringfaq.htm" target="_blank">http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/ringfaq.htm</a>
Encyclopedia of Arda: <a href="http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm" target="_blank">http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm</a>
ELF and VT <a href="http://www.elvish.org/" target="_blank">http://www.elvish.org/</a>

&gt; Favorite book/story by Tolkien:

LotR, definitely LotR.

No, wait! &quot;Of Tuor and his coming to Gondolin&quot; -- or &quot;Leaf by Niggle&quot;
.. . .

Of course! How silly -- it has to be &quot;On Fairy Stories&quot; . . . or?

What was the question again?

&gt; Do Balrogs have wings?:

I'm still picnicing on the fence on that one?

&gt; Do Elves have pointed ears?:

Are leaves pointed?

&gt; Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?:

No.

&gt; Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?:

Yes. Although they were satisfied by marking the Bearer, Frodo, with
the Morgul-knife, believing that he would last a couple of days at
most.

&gt; Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?:

No (assuming that &quot;at the time of LotR&quot; is implied).

&gt; Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?:

No. But then there's a whole range of mutual attitudes that are not
'like', but aren't open warfare either. In this case I think
'distrust' comes closest.

&gt; Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?:

The effort of both was required and necessary, though Éowyn's blow was
the immediate cause of death, they both share the honour.

&gt; Do Dwarven women have beards?:

Yes.

&gt; Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel
&gt; in LOTR?:

Yes.

&gt; Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?:

Great films -- a pity he didn't understand Tolkien, though.

&gt; NOTES:

Physicist by education, ex-teacher by need, mathematician by interest,
verification engineer by vocation. Life would be so much easier if
everybody would simply understand science . . .

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is &lt;t.forch(a)email.dk&gt;

The errors hardest
to condone
in other people
are one's own.
- Piet Hein, /Our Own Motes/

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#5: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-02 02:30:55 by David Gray Porter

&quot;Morgoth's Curse&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com" target="_blank">morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
news:<a href="mailto:a7uba21njgfu60pdjp0gab33hannnihd0r&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">a7uba21njgfu60pdjp0gab33hannnihd0r&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt; Our beloved comrade Alatar seems to have vanished from the face of the
&gt; Earth, so I have taken the liberty of launching this year's Roll Call.
&gt; :-) (I have not included the usual link to her website as it is
&gt; defunct, but at least this information will be available on Google.)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; NAME: David Porter AKA DG Porter
&gt; DOB: same year as &quot;Atoms for Peace&quot; and the US &amp; GB overthrown Mossadeq
&gt; starting a decades-long fuckup in Iran that continues today.
&gt; SEX: Cool when you can get it without risking your fireplug doesn't fall
&gt; off
&gt; SPECIES: Americanus
&gt; NATIONALITY: Don't believe in 'em
&gt; POSTING SINCE: 2002
&gt; HEROES: Don't believe in 'em unless they're personal friends.
&gt; LIKES: Spicy meaty dishes, difficult music, cool breezes
&gt; DISLIKES: Republicans and conservatives

[something got snipped here]

ated website: none in particular
&gt; Favorite book/story by Tolkien: Music of the Ainur in all variants
&gt; Do Balrogs have wings?: Yes but they don't often use them.
&gt; Do Elves have pointed ears?: To match their pithy comments
&gt; Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?: No but Sam may have farted
&gt; Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?: If they didn't plan
&gt; on it they shure thought of it when dumb-ass Frodo put it on!
&gt; Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?: Not needed
&gt; Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?: Yeah, as much as
&gt; Born-agains like secular humanists and as much as I like the Bush-Cheney
&gt; cabal.
&gt; Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?: Merry wasn't a woman
&gt; Do Dwarven women have beards?: Two to each
&gt; Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel in
&gt; LOTR?: Metaphysically speaking, or protoplasmically?
&gt; Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?: I like them. I
&gt; don't think I like &quot;Meet the Feebles.&quot;
&gt; NOTES: Resolving your dominant 7th upward to the tonic's 5th as did
&gt; Mendelssohn makes for quite an effect when done appropriately
&gt; Morgoth's Curse: Vanity

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#6: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-02 03:20:20 by pseudonimofaqhater

Morgoth's Curse wrote:
&gt; Our beloved comrade Alatar seems to have vanished from the face of the
&gt; Earth, so I have taken the liberty of launching this year's Roll Call.
&gt; :-) (I have not included the usual link to her website as it is
&gt; defunct, but at least this information will be available on Google.)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; NAME: Pseudonymus al-Faqha'ter III
&gt; DOB: Triassic.
&gt; SEX: Male.
&gt; SPECIES: Jellyfish.
&gt; NATIONALITY: Transnational
&gt; POSTING SINCE: Eternity.
&gt; HEROES: Morambar, but he is not a hero, but a prophet. Whoever invented pyramid scams.
&gt; LIKES: Money. Truth. Money. More money.
&gt; DISLIKES: Liars like Christopher Tolkien. The FAQ of lies.
&gt; EMAIL:
&gt; WEBSITE: Morambar will not permit me to reveal this as yet.
&gt; Favorite Tolkien-related website: Ditto.
&gt; Favorite book/story by Tolkien: His letters to Morambar are highly entertaining, if gross. Would you care to buy some?
&gt; Do Balrogs have wings?: It's a typo for wigs.
&gt; Do Elves have pointed ears?: These faqqist questions are moronic. Lembas is elf-excrement. But that's a long story.
&gt; Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?: No, it sang &quot;Girls just wanna have fun.&quot;
&gt; Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?: I'll ask Morambar.
&gt; Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?: ditto.
&gt; Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?: The Elves found the Dwarves distinctly not club class.
&gt; Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?: Mighty Mouse.
&gt; Do Dwarven women have beards?: No. Tolkien lied.
&gt; Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel in
&gt; LOTR?: A more interesting question is whether Mordor was on a tectonic plate or not. And did hobbits use pepto-bismol?
&gt; Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?: Dislike. Nowhere near enough product placements.
&gt; NOTES: Call 1-900-BUYCRAP and give us your credit card numbers NOW.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Morgoth's Curse

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#7: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-02 04:59:32 by Phlip

&gt;&gt; &gt; Do Elves have pointed ears?:

&gt;&gt; Leaf shaped.

TT Arvind wrote:

&gt; Banana leaves, comrades, banana leaves.

Yet another crucial detail PJ got wrong!!!

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#8: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-02 07:04:10 by morgothscurse2002

On 1 Jul 2006 23:40:06 GMT, Troels Forchhammer
&lt;<a href="mailto:Troels&#64;ThisIsFake.invalid" target="_blank">Troels&#64;ThisIsFake.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;In message &lt;news:<a href="mailto:a7uba21njgfu60pdjp0gab33hannnihd0r&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">a7uba21njgfu60pdjp0gab33hannnihd0r&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;
&gt;Morgoth's Curse &lt;<a href="mailto:morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com" target="_blank">morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com</a>&gt; enriched us
&gt;with:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Our beloved comrade Alatar seems to have vanished from the face of
&gt;&gt; the Earth, so I have taken the liberty of launching this year's
&gt;&gt; Roll Call.
&gt;
&gt;Anyone setting up a new web-site?

I AM hoping to add it to my website, but am rather hindered by the
fact that I know absolutely nothing about designing websites. I have
the tools, tho, and hope to have it finished by the end of July at the
latest.

&gt;&gt; NAME:
&gt;
&gt;Troels (which, despite what it may appear, is /not/ homophone with the
&gt;English word 'trolls') Forchhammer

And all this time I have been pronouncing it &quot;Troll-ells.&quot; ;-\ Eh,
screw it. I'll just say &quot;Trowels&quot; from now on. American
pronunciation ought to be good enough for anybody, anyway. ;-)


&gt;A number of authors including JRRT, Piet Hein and Hans Scherfig
&gt;Some explorers including Peter Freuchen, Thor Heyerdal, and Knud

Is Freuchen's autobiography &quot;Vagrant Viking&quot; still available in Danish
bookstores?

&gt;&gt; NOTES:
&gt;
&gt;Physicist by education, ex-teacher by need, mathematician by interest,
&gt;verification engineer by vocation. Life would be so much easier if
&gt;everybody would simply understand science . . .

Especially the scientists! ;-)


Morgoth's Curse

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#9: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-02 07:06:13 by morgothscurse2002

On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 06:22:19 GMT, &quot;Phlip&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:phlipcpp&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">phlipcpp&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Peter Jackson admirably revealed the power of the printed word.

That is the best summation of Peter Jackson's cinematic
accomplishments that I have ever read. ;-)

Morgoth's Curse

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#10: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-02 14:33:05 by samdekat

Morgoth's Curse wrote:
&gt; Our beloved comrade Alatar seems to have vanished from the face of the
&gt; Earth, so I have taken the liberty of launching this year's Roll Call.
&gt; :-) (I have not included the usual link to her website as it is
&gt; defunct, but at least this information will be available on Google.)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; NAME:
Sam
&gt; DOB:
Some time ago now - but I'm not as old as my Gaffer
&gt; SEX:
Now now - what would Rosie think of that kind of talk?
&gt; SPECIES:
Hobbit, I daresay from the look of my feet.
&gt; NATIONALITY:
Antipodean
&gt; POSTING SINCE:
1995, under various guises.
&gt; HEROES:
Theoden. Sam Gamgee. Nelson Mandela. Peter Cundall.
&gt; LIKES:

Seeing these whilst walking through the forest:
<a href="http://www.montereybay.com/creagrus/lyrebirds.html" target="_blank">http://www.montereybay.com/creagrus/lyrebirds.html</a>
<a href="http://marsack.com.au/closeups/cockatoos.html" target="_blank">http://marsack.com.au/closeups/cockatoos.html</a>

&gt; DISLIKES:
Liars.

&gt; Favorite book/story by Tolkien:
Farmer Giles of Ham
&gt; Do Balrogs have wings?:
They do so enjoy wings with a smoked hickory sauce. Note that a lack of
napkins may cause them to fly into a murderous rage and raise about
them a darkness much like wings...
&gt; Do Elves have pointed ears?:
Of course their ears have a point! To direct sounds down the elvish ear
canal of course! Ignoramus.

&gt; Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?:
&gt;From the brochure I saw, it's available to speak on a wide range of
motivational subjects.

&gt; Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?:
Yes, but they failed due to bad planning and a lack of a defined
disaster recovery strategy. That's what happens when you leave things
to middle management.

&gt; Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?:
Yes. Also Visa, and the Lonely Planet Guide to Eriador and Gondor. But
not laptops.
No.
Not laptops.

&gt; Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?:
They liked each other, but it wasn't like, LIKE like.

&gt; Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?:
It's an allegory - Merry represents the union rep, and Eowyn is the
effect of new corporate anti discrimination policies on entrenched
attitudes within the organisation.

&gt; Do Dwarven women have beards?:
Up until the advent of Extreme Makeover, yes.

&gt; Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel in
&gt; LOTR?:

Not at the time of writing, but perhaps later.

&gt; Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?:
Didn't feel strongly either way - don't really see the connection
between the movies and the writings of Tolkien. Except maybe the name.

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#11: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-03 01:52:49 by Phlip

Morgoth's Curse wrote:

&gt;&gt;Peter Jackson admirably revealed the power of the printed word.
&gt;
&gt; That is the best summation of Peter Jackson's cinematic
&gt; accomplishments that I have ever read. ;-)

Thank you! Whenever I go to a bookstore and see one of the LotR reprints
with a movie hook on the cover, I think, &quot;Why isn't this a novelization of
the movie? Why isn't Aragorn behaving like a 13-year-old on steroids?&quot;

--
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#12: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-03 02:44:34 by bruce.probst

Morgoth's Curse wrote:

NAME: Bruce Probst
DOB: 25-Feb-64
SEX: M
SPECIES: Human
NATIONALITY: Australian
POSTING SINCE: Hardly ever in this newsgroup
HEROES: Soldiers of the 1st Airborne Division at Arnhem in 1944
LIKES: Lots of things
DISLIKES: Lots of other things
EMAIL: If you can't find it, you don't deserve it
WEBSITE:
Favorite Tolkien-related website: The FAQ stuff
Favorite book/story by Tolkien: LOTR
Do Balrogs have wings?: Of course
Do Elves have pointed ears?: Certainly
Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?: I don't think so
Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?: Er ... yes?
(What else would they be doing?)
Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?: I believe not.
Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?: Sadly, not really
Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?: Merry. Eowyn was a
convenient distraction.
Do Dwarven women have beards?: Tolkien says so, and I have no reason to
disbelieve him.
Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel in
LOTR?: Yes. Sadly, killing balrogs doesn't get you the same respect
these days that it used to.
Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?: Love 'em.

Bruce
Melbourne, Australia

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#13: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-03 05:49:00 by Phlip

Bruce Probst wrote:

&gt; Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?: Merry. Eowyn was a
&gt; convenient distraction.

If the Witch-King had been dead when Eowyn's sword went under his crown, her
arm wouldn't have been stung numb, and her sword would not have
disintegrated.

Or do you posit that Merry, alone, could have killed a &gt;4,000 year old
wraith by stabbing it in the back of its knee?

Note the exact description of the spell on his sword. It was not written to
kill wraiths instantly, it was written to break the spell holding their
unseen sinews to their will. Suppose Merry's sword just gave him a
pin-prick. His sinews still exist, knitted to each other, in the
wraith-world, unseen. However, at this moment, he is vulnerable to weapons
that may now cleave those sinews, and his will can't resist them. So now
Merry's sword and Eowyn's sword, in turn, can cut him up.

&gt; Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel in
&gt; LOTR?: Yes. Sadly, killing balrogs doesn't get you the same respect
&gt; these days that it used to.

Hey, Glorfindel. We are thinking of taking a shortcut thru Moria to get to
Lorien without getting snowed in. Wanna come with?

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#14: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-03 06:08:12 by morgothscurse2002

On 2 Jul 2006 17:44:34 -0700, &quot;Bruce Probst&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bruce.probst&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">bruce.probst&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;NAME: Bruce Probst
&gt;POSTING SINCE: Hardly ever in this newsgroup

Why not? :-)

Morgoth's Curse

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#15: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-03 13:32:05 by Matthew T Curtis

On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 04:27:45 GMT, Morgoth's Curse
&lt;<a href="mailto:morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com" target="_blank">morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;NAME:

Matthew T. Curtis

&gt;DOB:

24/02/1971

&gt;SEX:

Male

&gt;SPECIES:

Almost human

&gt;NATIONALITY:

Proud citizen of Great Britain

&gt;POSTING SINCE:

AFT: Jul 6 2000; RABT: Jul 8 2000

&gt;HEROES:

Isaac Asimov, Richard Dawkins, John Stuart Mill, Mary Wollstonecraft,
Doctor Who

&gt;LIKES:

Cricket, Folk-Rock, Doctor Who, New Zealand

&gt;DISLIKES:

Intolerance (it should be forbidden)

&gt;EMAIL:
&gt;WEBSITE:

&gt;Favorite Tolkien-related website:

tolkien.slimy.com

&gt;Favorite book/story by Tolkien:

Farmer Giles of Ham - my aunt lives in Worminghall

&gt;Do Balrogs have wings?:

Yes- small ones

&gt;Do Elves have pointed ears?:

It depends what you mean by 'pointed'

&gt;Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?:

No

&gt;Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?:

No

&gt;Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?:

No

&gt;Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?:

No

&gt;Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?:

Yes

&gt;Do Dwarven women have beards?:

Yes

&gt;Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel in
&gt;LOTR?:

Yes

&gt;Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?:

They're good in parts, like the curate's egg
--
Matthew T Curtis mtcurtis[at]dsl.pipex.com
HIV+ for 25 glorious years!
There's no greys, only white that's got grubby. I'm surprised
you don't know that.
- Terry Pratchett

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Posted on 2006-07-03 15:24:11 by Henriette

Morgoth's Curse schreef:

&gt; Favorite book/story by Tolkien:

LOTR

&gt; Do Balrogs have wings?:

NO

&gt; Do Elves have pointed ears?:

NO


&gt; Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?:

NO


&gt; Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?:

YES

&gt; Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?:

NO

&gt; Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?:

NO

&gt; Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?:

It was a joint venture.

&gt; Do Dwarven women have beards?:

YES

&gt; Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel in LOTR?:

I don't know.

&gt; Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?:

I like them, except everywhere he changes the original story for no
apparent reason I experience a sudden inflow of adrenalin;-) AND I have
to agree with this one poster who says:
No way to Middle Earth but through the books!

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#17: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-03 18:35:16 by bredband.net

&quot;Morgoth's Curse&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com" target="_blank">morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com</a>&gt; skrev i meddelandet
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&gt; Our beloved comrade Alatar seems to have vanished from the face of the
&gt; Earth, so I have taken the liberty of launching this year's Roll Call.
&gt; :-) (I have not included the usual link to her website as it is
&gt; defunct, but at least this information will be available on Google.)

Just update my old one. I'm older now, that's the only really important
difference.

Öjevind

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#18: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-03 23:36:26 by bruce.probst

Phlip wrote:

&gt; Or do you posit that Merry, alone, could have killed a &gt;4,000 year old
&gt; wraith by stabbing it in the back of its knee?

Since that's what Tolkien wrote, yes.

Bruce

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#19: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-03 23:54:10 by bruce.probst

Morgoth's Curse wrote:

&gt; &gt;POSTING SINCE: Hardly ever in this newsgroup
&gt;
&gt; Why not? :-)

Not much to say, normally ... I just browse the threads that look like
they're of interest ....

Bruce

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#20: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-04 07:10:05 by pogues

Morgoth's Curse wrote:
&gt; Our beloved comrade Alatar seems to have vanished from the face of the
&gt; Earth, so I have taken the liberty of launching this year's Roll Call.
&gt; :-) (I have not included the usual link to her website as it is
&gt; defunct, but at least this information will be available on Google.)

&gt;
&gt; NAME:
Ciaran Shanahan

&gt; DOB:
I'd only lie.

&gt; SEX:
Female, except for the little teeny anthropologist in the upper left
part of my brain.

&gt; SPECIES:
Americanus anarchistis.

&gt; NATIONALITY:
Ashamed.

&gt; POSTING SINCE:
Again the confusion regarding time, and with the lurking, not lurking,
posting hysterically...let's say 2002?

&gt; HEROES:
Tolkien, who gave me more than anyone else ever has, except my mother.
Gutenberg.
My mother.

&gt; LIKES:
Zippo lighters. Trashy fanfic involving Severus Snape. The Clash.

&gt; DISLIKES:
People who don't *burn* to find out how the world works.

&gt; EMAIL:
<a href="mailto:pogues&#64;bluefrog.com" target="_blank">pogues&#64;bluefrog.com</a>

&gt; WEBSITE:
none

&gt; Favorite Tolkien-related website:
Stan's and Steuard's, 'course.

&gt; Favorite book/story by Tolkien:
Bilbo's poem about Earendil in the house of Elrond.

&gt; Do Balrogs have wings?:
Yes. Of shadow.

&gt; Do Elves have pointed ears?:
I don't care. I just care that hobbits do.

&gt; Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?:
No, that was Frodo. And he hadn't yet gone over to the Dark Side,
either. He was just being, you know, prophetic. (People underestimate
Frodo.)

&gt; Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?:
Yes, but they thought Frodo was weaker than he was (see above about
underestimating), and they were afraid of Strider, fire, and the name of
Elbereth.

&gt; Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?:
I know this is wrong, directly contradicted by JRRT himself, but I
believe it anyway: Yes.

&gt; Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?:
Apparently only when thrown together by the trials of hardship and war.

&gt; Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?:
Eowyn. But with Merry's help. Why is this an either/or question?

&gt; Do Dwarven women have beards?:
Oh yeah. And the men *luv* 'em!

&gt; Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel in
&gt; LOTR?:
Not originally, no. Later on, yes.

&gt; Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?:
I'm just fine with them at first, less so as the story progresses. But
they look beautiful, and they got Gandalf the Grey right, and so I'll do
no complaining.

- Ciaran S.

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#21: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-04 15:23:40 by morgothscurse2002

On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 01:10:05 -0400, &quot;Shanahan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:pogues&#64;bluefrog.com" target="_blank">pogues&#64;bluefrog.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;&gt; Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?:
&gt;Eowyn. But with Merry's help. Why is this an either/or question?

Good point. As noted, I pasted this from Alatar's last post on this
subject, but, unfortunately, she was operating under the unholy and
nefarious influence of TEUNC. I, Morgoth's Curse, however, am proud
to boast that I have never been and never shall be influenced by the
insidious malice of TEUNC. When my website is finished, I will repost
this questionnaire using a different format and with a few different
questions.

Feel free to submit any questions that you would like added. I
guarantee that I will not credit you and, in fact, will claim your
work as my own. ;-)

&gt;
&gt;- Ciaran S.
&gt;

Just out of curiosity, how do we pronounce your name? As &quot;Karen&quot; or
as &quot;Syrian&quot; or as &quot;Sigh-air-an&quot;? :-)

Morgoth's Curse

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#22: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-04 16:10:13 by Derek Broughton

TT Arvind wrote:

&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Do Elves have pointed ears?:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Leaf shaped. (Let's hope that doesn't mean sassafras leaves!)
&gt;
&gt; Banana leaves, comrades, banana leaves.
&gt;
Canadian Elves have maple-leaf shaped ears.
--
derek

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#23: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-04 18:52:46 by Phlip

Derek Broughton wrote:

&gt; Canadian Elves have maple-leaf shaped ears.

And dee Rrrrrasta Elves have ... !

--
Phlip

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#24: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-04 19:02:06 by pogues

&quot;Morgoth's Curse&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com" target="_blank">morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&lt;snip&gt;
&gt; nefarious influence of TEUNC. I, Morgoth's Curse, however, am proud
&gt; to boast that I have never been and never shall be influenced by the
&gt; insidious malice of TEUNC. When my website is finished, I will repost
&gt; this questionnaire using a different format and with a few different
&gt; questions.

Neat! Feel free to not credit me for wanting to know how old people were
when they first read LotR.

&gt; Just out of curiosity, how do we pronounce your name? As &quot;Karen&quot; or
&gt; as &quot;Syrian&quot; or as &quot;Sigh-air-an&quot;? :-)

Ahh, Gaelic! Ain't it wonderful? My name, which can be spelled 'Kieran'
or 'Ciaran' (and I do), is pronounced &quot;kee'-ran&quot;.

- Ciaran S.
------------------
The Wrackspurt:
I float in through your ears and make
your brain go fuzzy.

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#25: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-04 20:19:09 by burnsdavidj

NAME: David

SPECIES: Homo sapien. But my great-great-great(^22) grandfather was
Edain.

NATIONALITY: Canuckistan

POSTING SINCE: Here?

HEROES: I prefer the Bowie version the Wallflower's remake.

LIKES: Rings. (Wagner, Tolkien, Token, Onion)

DISLIKES: Surveys.

EMAIL: Oh, so this is a spam subscription list?

Favorite Tolkien-related website: <a href="http://www.thangorodrim.net/" target="_blank">http://www.thangorodrim.net/</a>

Favorite book/story by Tolkien: LOTR, although I appreciate The
Silmarillion more and more.

Do Balrogs have wings?: Yes.

Do Elves have pointed ears?: Yes

Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?: No. It can subtley influence the
bearer's thoughts, acting like an inner voice. But its not sentient,
and does not contain Sauron's will either. It works to undermine one's
own virtue.

Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?: Yes. But they
were not together, were frightened by elven speech and a sudden
appearance of a descendent Numenorean, and were far from home.

Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?: I've always assumed yes, that it
was what made then wraiths. I'm not so sure now.

Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?: Not really. Dwarves
are of a different kind (children of Aule) and Elves are part of
Illuvatar's plan. From day one they had cross purposes. (see: Varda vs
Aule discussion in The Simarillion)

Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?: Eowyn. No man can kill the
Witch-King. I interpretted 'man' to imply 'male' as opposed to
'mankind.' Otherwise Legolas' arrow would have killed him earlier.
Merry's contributions were more of the 'i'm in the right place at the
right time with the right weapon'.

Do Dwarven women have beards?: I'll argue Dwarven women aren't canon.
;)

Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel in
LOTR?: Yes, although you can't determine this based on canonical texts.

Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?: I'll use
Roger Water's comments the Pink Floyd album &quot;A momentary lapse of
reason&quot; -- &quot;It is a very competent forgery.&quot; I am most upset about how
much the character of Faramir was utterly, completely, totally botched.

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#26: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-04 21:27:48 by OMeallyMD

Morgoth's Curse wrote:
When my website is finished, I will repost
&gt; this questionnaire using a different format and with a few different
&gt; questions.

So, why should we bother answering this one?

--
Bill

&quot;Wise fool&quot;
Gandalf, THE TWO TOWERS
-- The Wise will remove 'se' to reply; the Foolish will not--

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#27: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-04 21:30:16 by Raven

&quot;Henriette&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:heldenib&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">heldenib&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; skrev i en meddelelse
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&gt; Morgoth's Curse schreef:

&gt; &gt; Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?:

&gt; It was a joint venture.

Or at least a point venture.

Raafje.

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#28: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-04 21:39:08 by Phlip

burnsdavidj wrote:

&gt; Do Dwarven women have beards?: I'll argue Dwarven women aren't canon. ;)

Absolutely. All dwarves are gay, and reproduce via butt-babies.

Explains a lot!

--
Phlip

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#29: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-04 22:04:20 by jwkenne

<a href="mailto:burnsdavidj&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">burnsdavidj&#64;yahoo.com</a> wrote:
&gt; SPECIES: Homo sapien.

Ain't no such word as &quot;sapien&quot;. It's &quot;sapiens&quot;.

--
John W. Kennedy
&quot;The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue.&quot;
-- Charles Williams. &quot;Taliessin through Logres: Prelude&quot;

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#30: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-04 22:32:27 by Me

In rec.arts.books.tolkien Morgoth's Curse &lt;<a href="mailto:morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com" target="_blank">morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; Our beloved comrade Alatar seems to have vanished from the face of the
&gt; Earth, so I have taken the liberty of launching this year's Roll Call.
&gt; :-) (I have not included the usual link to her website as it is
&gt; defunct, but at least this information will be available on Google.)

NAME: Jamie Andrews
DOB: 1 day after Princess Diana
SEX: Not as often as I would like
SPECIES: Nerd
NATIONALITY: Canadian
POSTING SINCE: Usenet, 1985; RABT, 1993; RABT regularly, 2001
HEROES: Tolkien, David Hilbert
LIKES: The Police, The Ramones, The Stranglers, Kate Bush,
Maurice Ravel, chocolate ripple ice cream
DISLIKES: eggplant
EMAIL: see below
WEBSITE: I guess this is safe...
<a href="http://www.csd.uwo.ca/faculty/andrews" target="_blank">http://www.csd.uwo.ca/faculty/andrews</a>
<a href="http://music.myspace.com/bobbylyon" target="_blank">http://music.myspace.com/bobbylyon</a>
Favorite Tolkien-related website: TORN
Favorite book/story by Tolkien: All of them!
Do Balrogs have wings?: Of shadow only.
Do Elves have pointed ears?: Leaf-shaped.
Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?: Uh? Don't remember this issue.
Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?: No
Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?: Agnostic
Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?: No
Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?: Eowyn
Do Dwarven women have beards?: Yes
Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel in
LOTR?: Yes
Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?: Both
NOTES: None that I can think of!

--Jamie. (efil4dreN)
andrews .uwo } Merge these two lines to obtain my e-mail address.
@csd .ca } (Unsolicited &quot;bulk&quot; e-mail costs everyone.)

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#31: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-04 23:05:09 by Count Menelvagor

Morgoth's Curse wrote:
&gt; Our beloved comrade Alatar seems to have vanished from the face of the
&gt; Earth, so I have taken the liberty of launching this year's Roll Call.
&gt; :-) (I have not included the usual link to her website as it is
&gt; defunct, but at least this information will be available on Google.)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; NAME:

count menelvagor

&gt; DOB:

around 12, 000 BC, i think

&gt; SEX:

male

&gt; SPECIES:

balrog

&gt; NATIONALITY:

rogsylvanian (<a href="http://count.teunc.org/rogs/rogs.html" target="_blank">http://count.teunc.org/rogs/rogs.html</a>)

&gt; POSTING SINCE:

august, 2000

&gt; HEROES:

sauron, gothmog, don giovanni, fred, the weird guy with the pipe.

&gt; LIKES:

murder, mayhem, blood, gore, human sacrifice, tolkien, JRK, languages,
opera, being weird. (see also my old profile, though it's a bit out of
date in some respects.)

&gt; DISLIKES:

spam, undercooked humans, lembas, FATS, giant cockroaches, dubbya,
stock reports, bitchy computers.

&gt; EMAIL:

<a href="mailto:spammers&#64;die.com" target="_blank">spammers&#64;die.com</a>

&gt; WEBSITE:

<a href="http://count.teunc.org" target="_blank">http://count.teunc.org</a>

&gt; Favorite Tolkien-related website:

i think it might still be tolkien sarcasm page, either that or
teunc.org/wildschwein.

&gt; Favorite book/story by Tolkien:

tolkien lied.

&gt; Do Balrogs have wings?:

yes, but we don't generally show them in public.

&gt; Do Elves have pointed ears?:

my ancestors used to eat pointed ear souffle. barbaric, i call it.

&gt; Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?:

no, but it danced an incredible cancan.

&gt; Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?:

nah, they were just trying to ask directions to the nearest casino.

&gt; Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?:

no, their valets do that.

&gt; Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?:

evidently not; though we balrogs like to say, &quot;to wargs other wargs
look different.&quot;

&gt; Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?:

both.

&gt; Do Dwarven women have beards?:

apparently. kind of blekh, if you ask me; but i'm not tolkien.

&gt; Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel in
&gt; LOTR?:

yes, but who cares?

&gt; Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?:

like, but think some of the changes were rubbish (not because they were
changes, but because they were rubbish), and find the &quot;hype&quot; a bit
tiresome.

&gt; NOTES:

give me all your money now. i need it to save the world from FATS.

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#32: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-04 23:10:41 by Troels Forchhammer

In message &lt;news:<a href="mailto:5f9qn3-vpo.ln1&#64;news.pointerstop.ca" target="_blank">5f9qn3-vpo.ln1&#64;news.pointerstop.ca</a>&gt; Derek Broughton
&lt;<a href="mailto:news&#64;pointerstop.ca" target="_blank">news&#64;pointerstop.ca</a>&gt; enriched us with:

&gt;
&gt; TT Arvind wrote:
&gt;&gt;
Phlip wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
Morgoth's Curse wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Do Elves have pointed ears?:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Leaf shaped. (Let's hope that doesn't mean sassafras leaves!)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Banana leaves, comrades, banana leaves.
&gt;&gt;
&gt; Canadian Elves have maple-leaf shaped ears.

Does that mean that Northern Scandinavian Elves have needle-shaped
ears?

--
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Valid e-mail is &lt;t.forch(a)email.dk&gt;

The major problem [encountered in time travel] is quite
simply one of grammar, and the main work to consult in this
matter is Dr Dan Streetmentioner's Time Traveller's
Handbook of 1001 Tense Formations.
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Posted on 2006-07-04 23:14:48 by Troels Forchhammer

In message &lt;news:<a href="mailto:m9qka25e59um8rqtach66956qiut9os97p&#64;4ax.com" target="_blank">m9qka25e59um8rqtach66956qiut9os97p&#64;4ax.com</a>&gt;
Morgoth's Curse &lt;<a href="mailto:morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com" target="_blank">morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com</a>&gt; enriched us
with:
&gt;
&gt; On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 01:10:05 -0400, &quot;Shanahan&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:pogues&#64;bluefrog.com" target="_blank">pogues&#64;bluefrog.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
Morgoth's Curse asked:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Eowyn. But with Merry's help. Why is this an either/or question?

Do you want the long explanation or the short one ;)

The short one merely posits that 'or' in itself does not necessarily
mean an exclusive or (in this we might say that the statement can be
true if one /or both/ of the substatements are 'mostly true').

The long one has to do with people arguing over this for a long time,
without agreeing to disagree amiably (some of them, at least). It is
a question that has become even more interesting with the release of
the Reader's Companion, and one which I would be sorry to see
disappear entirely.

&gt; Good point. As noted, I pasted this from Alatar's last post on
&gt; this subject, but, unfortunately, she was operating under the
&gt; unholy and nefarious influence of TEUNC.

I believe she was rather influenced by this being the field for one
of the battles in the flame wars of yore. Now, unholy and nefarious
the TEUNC may be, but I don't think that they, as a group, has the
power to sustain a flame war (they are, as a rule, rather too
sarcastic for easy combustion) ;-)

&gt; I, Morgoth's Curse, however, am proud to boast that I have never
&gt; been and never shall be influenced by the insidious malice of
&gt; TEUNC.

Thou dost protest too much, methinks . . . ;-)

&gt; When my website is finished, I will repost this questionnaire
&gt; using a different format and with a few different questions.

I thought about suggesting that the Ringwraiths at Weathertop
question be discontinued after the information in the Reader's
Companion, but on second thought it is probably not as decisive as I
might be tempted to make it ;-)

&gt; Feel free to submit any questions that you would like added.

&quot;Did Isildur know that he was cutting of the Master Ring?&quot;
Or, alternatively,
&quot;did Isildur know that cutting of that Ring would send Sauron's
spirit away&quot;

&gt; I guarantee that I will not credit you and, in fact, will claim
&gt; your work as my own. ;-)

As long as we know in advance ;-)

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is &lt;t.forch(a)email.dk&gt;

Smile
a while
ere day
is done
and all
your gall
will soon
be gone.

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#34: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-05 00:28:14 by bredband.net

&quot;Troels Forchhammer&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Troels&#64;ThisIsFake.invalid" target="_blank">Troels&#64;ThisIsFake.invalid</a>&gt; skrev i meddelandet
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&gt; In message &lt;news:<a href="mailto:5f9qn3-vpo.ln1&#64;news.pointerstop.ca" target="_blank">5f9qn3-vpo.ln1&#64;news.pointerstop.ca</a>&gt; Derek Broughton
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:news&#64;pointerstop.ca" target="_blank">news&#64;pointerstop.ca</a>&gt; enriched us with:
&gt;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; TT Arvind wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; Phlip wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; Morgoth's Curse wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Do Elves have pointed ears?:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Leaf shaped. (Let's hope that doesn't mean sassafras leaves!)
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Banana leaves, comrades, banana leaves.
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Canadian Elves have maple-leaf shaped ears.
&gt;
&gt; Does that mean that Northern Scandinavian Elves have needle-shaped
&gt; ears?

Well, you have probably heard the expression &quot;spetsa öronen&quot;. ;-)

Öjevind

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#35: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-05 00:37:28 by Troels Forchhammer

In message &lt;news:<a href="mailto:e8ct4p0jer&#64;enews3.newsguy.com" target="_blank">e8ct4p0jer&#64;enews3.newsguy.com</a>&gt;
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&gt;
&gt; Morgoth's Curse wrote:
&gt;&gt;

&lt;snip&gt;

&gt;&gt; LIKES:
&gt; Zippo lighters.

That's a fair thing -- they're really clever and very reliable.

&gt; The Clash.

I can go there with you as well.

&gt; Trashy fanfic involving Severus Snape.

But that . . .!?!

BTW -- not trashy (IMO), but does satisfy the rest:
&lt;<a href="http://curry.250x.com/Tower/Fiction/waterhorse/index.html" target="_blank">http://curry.250x.com/Tower/Fiction/waterhorse/index.html</a>&gt;

&gt;&gt; DISLIKES:
&gt; People who don't *burn* to find out how the world works.

LOL!

I don't really agree with Gandalf either.

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#36: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-05 06:10:08 by stevehim

NAME: Steve Himel (Hymn uhl)

DOB: 12/29/75

SEX: Only if she's hot and willing

SPECIES: A rare type of Kolokolo bird

NATIONALITY: Embarassed to say, American

POSTING SINCE: earlier this year some time

HEROES: Spidey (comic version) is the best of the lot

LIKES: stuff

DISLIKES: stuff that isn't stuff

EMAIL: <a href="mailto:stevehim&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">stevehim&#64;yahoo.com</a>

WEBSITE: <a href="http://ankh-morpork.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://ankh-morpork.blogspot.com/</a>
<a href="http://www.myspace.com/the_late_dentarthurdent" target="_blank">http://www.myspace.com/the_late_dentarthurdent</a>

Favorite Tolkien-related website: this one for discussion, IMDB for
educating others, the official moviesite ones for longevity

Favorite book/story by Tolkien: LOTR

Do Balrogs have wings?:

Yes, though I am not sure they can fly.

Do Elves have pointed ears?:

Yes

Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?:

No

Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?:

YES

Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?:

No, Sauron has them

Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?:

No, otherwise the entire Legolas/Gimli thing is strange and fairly
meaningless

Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?:

Both

Do Dwarven women have beards?:

Yes

Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel in
LOTR?:

Reincarnated, but yes

Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?:

As movies, the first two (especially FOTR) are entertaining. ROTK
sucks. As adaptations, all three are horrible, though FOTR is still
better than the other two.

NOTES:

Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti


Feel free to submit any questions that you would like added. I
guarantee that I will not credit you and, in fact, will claim your
work as my own. ;-)


Why was Sauron setting traps for Aragorn if he didn't know who he was?

Who/What caused the storm on Caradhras?

How can there be nameless things under the Earth older than Sauron if
he was, presumably, among the Ainur before Ea was created?

Could the Nine beat a Balrog?

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#37: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-05 10:15:02 by Troels Forchhammer

In message &lt;news:2Szqg.2$<a href="mailto:nf5.1&#64;fe11.lga" target="_blank">nf5.1&#64;fe11.lga</a>&gt;
&quot;John W. Kennedy&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jwkenne&#64;attglobal.net" target="_blank">jwkenne&#64;attglobal.net</a>&gt; enriched us with:
&gt;
&gt; <a href="mailto:burnsdavidj&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">burnsdavidj&#64;yahoo.com</a> wrote:
&gt;&gt; SPECIES: Homo sapien.
&gt;
&gt; Ain't no such word as &quot;sapien&quot;. It's &quot;sapiens&quot;.

Raising the question of whether the thing requires the thing itself to
Be? ;)
(with due disclaimers of any intend to imply poor David)

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(Thus speaks the quantum physicist)

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#38: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-05 10:21:30 by Troels Forchhammer

In message &lt;news:<a href="mailto:4h08bvF1non9bU1&#64;individual.net" target="_blank">4h08bvF1non9bU1&#64;individual.net</a>&gt; &quot;Öjevind Lång&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:bredband.net&#64;ojevind.lang" target="_blank">bredband.net&#64;ojevind.lang</a>&gt; enriched us with:
&gt;
&gt; &quot;Troels Forchhammer&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Troels&#64;ThisIsFake.invalid" target="_blank">Troels&#64;ThisIsFake.invalid</a>&gt; skrev i meddelandet
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:Xns97F6EBBA4C29ET.Forch&#64;130.133.1.4..." target="_blank">Xns97F6EBBA4C29ET.Forch&#64;130.133.1.4...</a>
&gt;&gt; In message &lt;news:<a href="mailto:5f9qn3-vpo.ln1&#64;news.pointerstop.ca" target="_blank">5f9qn3-vpo.ln1&#64;news.pointerstop.ca</a>&gt; Derek Broughton
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:news&#64;pointerstop.ca" target="_blank">news&#64;pointerstop.ca</a>&gt; enriched us with:
&gt;&gt;&gt; TT Arvind wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Phlip wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Morgoth's Curse wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Do Elves have pointed ears?:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Leaf shaped. (Let's hope that doesn't mean sassafras leaves!)
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Banana leaves, comrades, banana leaves.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Canadian Elves have maple-leaf shaped ears.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Does that mean that Northern Scandinavian Elves have needle-shaped
&gt;&gt; ears?
&gt;
&gt; Well, you have probably heard the expression &quot;spetsa öronen&quot;. ;-)

Yes, of course. We have it in Danish as well -- good point!

(Schleswig-Holstein elves are cursed with Oak-leaf shaped ears,
obviously)

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Lo! we have gathered, and we have spent, and now the time
of payment draws near.
- Aragorn, /The Lord of the Rings/ (J.R.R. Tolkien)

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#39: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-05 14:56:06 by Derek Broughton

NAME: Derek Broughton
DOB: 1958
SEX: Whenever...
SPECIES: Homo Sapiens XY (as opposed to the XX subspecies)
NATIONALITY: British born, Canadian to the core
POSTING SINCE: Long enough not to remember
HEROES: Romeo D'allaire, Stephen Lewis
LIKES: Tolkien, Fantasy &amp; SF of any kind, dogs, bridge
DISLIKES: work
EMAIL: Anything at pointerstop.ca
WEBSITE:
Favorite Tolkien-related website:
Favorite book/story by Tolkien: LOTR
Do Balrogs have wings?: Sure, why not?
Do Elves have pointed ears?: Naturally - to me, &quot;leaf shaped&quot; implies
pointed. Tolkien described a number of swords as &quot;leaf shaped&quot;, too.
Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?: No. Are you hearing voices?
Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?: Yes
Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?: No
Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?: No.
Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?: Eowyn. She couldn't have done
it without Merry, but he didn't do it at all/
Do Dwarven women have beards?: Silly question.
Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel in
LOTR?: I'm a reincarnated Egyptian Pharaoh - am I the same person I was in
2000BC? Am I the same person I was 20 years ago?

Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?: Loved them - warts
and all.
NOTES: I was supposed to take notes?


--
derek

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#40: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-05 17:49:26 by Henriette

Raven schreef:

&gt; &quot;Henriette&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:heldenib&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">heldenib&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; skrev i en meddelelse
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:1151933051.704950.235430&#64;m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1151933051.704950.235430&#64;m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...</a>

&gt; &gt; It was a joint venture.
&gt;
&gt; Or at least a point venture.
&gt;
Yo RaAfJE, WAzzuP?

I'm not certain what a joint venture is, because it is not in my
dictionary. Still I had the feeling it came close to what I meant to
say, and it sounded grand;-) As for point venture: hvad mener de? Jeg
forst=E5r ikke!

EntHierre

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#41: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-05 19:45:47 by Raven

&quot;Henriette&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:heldenib&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">heldenib&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; skrev i en meddelelse
news:<a href="mailto:1152114566.324842.321680&#64;p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1152114566.324842.321680&#64;p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...</a>

&gt; Raven schreef:

&gt; &gt; &quot;Henriette&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:heldenib&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">heldenib&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; skrev i en meddelelse
&gt; &gt; news:<a href="mailto:1151933051.704950.235430&#64;m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1151933051.704950.235430&#64;m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...</a>

&gt; &gt; &gt; It was a joint venture.

&gt; &gt; Or at least a point venture.

&gt; Yo RaAfJE, WAzzuP?

&gt; I'm not certain what a joint venture is, because it is not in my
&gt; dictionary. Still I had the feeling it came close to what I meant to
&gt; say, and it sounded grand;-) As for point venture: hvad mener de? Jeg
&gt; forstår ikke!

I agree that it was a joint venture. Last I answered this query I
responded along the lines of which wing is the most important for the
airplane's ability to fly - the left one or the right one. Merry and Éowyn
achieved the fall of the Witch-king together - that is jointly. Similarly,
Tenzing Norgay and Edmund Hillary reached the summit of Chomolungma
together, and questions from non-mountaineers about which one of them
reached the summit *first* were meaningless to them, or impertinent. I
wonder if Armstrong and Aldrin had it the same way.
Point venture? A pun. I shan't spoil your pleasure at figuring it out
by Xplaining it to you.

Raafje.

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#42: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-05 21:29:01 by "burúmë"

On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 04:27:45 GMT, Morgoth's Curse wrote:

&gt;
&gt; NAME: Burúmë
&gt; DOB: 1970's
&gt; SEX: male
&gt; SPECIES: Nintendo
&gt; NATIONALITY: English
&gt; POSTING SINCE: 2006
&gt; HEROES: Beorn, Smith.
&gt; LIKES: Pauline Baynes illustrations. Puppets.
&gt; DISLIKES: &quot;what if?&quot; scenarios about M.E., fan-fic. Photorealism.
&gt; EMAIL:
&gt; WEBSITE:
&gt; Favorite Tolkien-related website:
<a href="http://www.anzwers.org/free/terryhan/" target="_blank">http://www.anzwers.org/free/terryhan/</a>
&gt; Favorite book/story by Tolkien:
Leaf By Niggle
&gt; Do Balrogs have wings?:
yes. but not in the same way birds have.
&gt; Do Elves have pointed ears?:
no
&gt; Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?:
eh?
&gt; Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?:
Nazgul are incapable of intending anything, they just carry out the will
of Sauron to a greater or lesser degree.
&gt; Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?:
Nazgul are incapable of carrying anything, except the will of Sauron.
&gt; Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?:
No.
&gt; Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?:
Merowyn.
&gt; Do Dwarven women have beards?:
No. I think they're like Goldberry, or the Entwives.
&gt; Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel in
&gt; LOTR?:
I like to think so.
&gt; Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?:
I can enjoy them as action movies in their own right, but dislike the
complete hash they make of Tolkiens work.

&gt; NOTES:


--
Burúmë
Squirrel receives 1 from Wise Owl for her knitting.

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#43: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-05 23:14:15 by TT Arvind

Wes =F0u Raven hal!

&gt; Point venture? A pun. I shan't spoil your pleasure at figuring it ou=
t
&gt; by Xplaining it to you.

One could, however, point the way by reminding her of what clove the=20
Witch-King's joint.

--=20
Arvind

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#44: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-05 23:23:23 by TT Arvind

Wes =F0u Troels Forchhammer hal!

&gt; (Schleswig-Holstein elves are cursed with Oak-leaf shaped ears,=20
&gt; obviously)

I would like to see English elves with their nice, pinnate rose-leaf=20
shaped ears.

--=20
Arvind

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#45: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-05 23:47:38 by Raven

&quot;TT Arvind&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ttarvind&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">ttarvind&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; skrev i en meddelelse
news:<a href="mailto:MPG.1f163e22a4cb155c989d08&#64;news.individual.net..." target="_blank">MPG.1f163e22a4cb155c989d08&#64;news.individual.net...</a>

&gt; I would like to see English elves with their nice, pinnate rose-leaf
&gt; shaped ears.

*I* have vaguely leaf-shaped ears. They are not pointed at all, but the
earlobes join the sides of my head like the &quot;earlobes&quot; of a cat, rather than
being rounded and dipping down. It runs to a degree in my family - my uncle
has like ears. I wonder if my rather good sense of hearing has anything to
do with that, or it is just to compensate for my sense of smell, which
stinks (pun quite intended).
Doesn't mean that I can move or wriggle my ears, though.

Ravnur.

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#46: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-05 23:50:35 by Raven

&quot;TT Arvind&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ttarvind&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">ttarvind&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; skrev i en meddelelse
news:<a href="mailto:MPG.1f163c01710633e7989d06&#64;news.individual.net..." target="_blank">MPG.1f163c01710633e7989d06&#64;news.individual.net...</a>

&gt; Wes ðu Raven hal!

&gt; &gt; Point venture? A pun. I shan't spoil your pleasure at figuring it
&gt; &gt; out by Xplaining it to you.

&gt; One could, however, point the way by reminding her of what clove the
&gt; Witch-King's joint.

Precisely my point. Henriette was quite correct in that it was a joint
venture.

Annankákai.

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#47: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-05 23:53:06 by Phlip

TT Arvind wrote:

&gt; One could, however, point the way by reminding her of what clove the
&gt; Witch-King's joint.

Ah, the WK had cloves in his joint. /Tres/ Goth, no?

--
Phlip

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#48: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-06 00:05:36 by bredband.net

&quot;TT Arvind&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ttarvind&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">ttarvind&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; skrev i meddelandet
news:<a href="mailto:MPG.1f163e22a4cb155c989d08&#64;news.individual.net..." target="_blank">MPG.1f163e22a4cb155c989d08&#64;news.individual.net...</a>
Wes ðu Troels Forchhammer hal!

&gt;&gt; (Schleswig-Holstein elves are cursed with Oak-leaf shaped ears,
&gt;&gt; obviously)

&gt;I would like to see English elves with their nice, pinnate rose-leaf
shaped ears.

Do Australian Elves have ears formed like eucalyptus leafs?

Öjevind

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#49: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-06 00:15:19 by TT Arvind

Wes =F0u Phlip hal!
&gt; &gt; One could, however, point the way by reminding her of what clove the
&gt; &gt; Witch-King's joint.
&gt;=20
&gt; Ah, the WK had cloves in his joint. /Tres/ Goth, no?

I guess he needed a little spice to pep up his boring little joint.

--=20
Arvind

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#50: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-06 00:25:48 by Raven

&quot;Raven&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jonlennart.beck.god&#64;damn.get2net.that.dk.spam" target="_blank">jonlennart.beck.god&#64;damn.get2net.that.dk.spam</a>&gt; skrev i en
meddelelse news:WtTqg.73$<a href="mailto:n91.4&#64;news.get2net.dk..." target="_blank">n91.4&#64;news.get2net.dk...</a>

[Replying to myself]

&gt; NAME:
Jon Lennart Beck (Raven)
&gt; DOB:
1968
&gt; SEX:
Male
&gt; SPECIES:
Homo Corvus
&gt; NATIONALITY:
Norse
&gt; POSTING SINCE:
1997-ish
&gt; HEROES:
None
&gt; LIKES:
Hard work with good friends for a good cause, driving a forklift and a
telescopic loader
&gt; DISLIKES:
I'll come to those when they pop up. Oh yes, the sniffles.
&gt; EMAIL:
Oh no you don't.
&gt; WEBSITE:
<a href="http://hjem.get2net.dk/JonLennartBecksEgoPage" target="_blank">http://hjem.get2net.dk/JonLennartBecksEgoPage</a>
&gt; Favorite Tolkien-related website:
<a href="http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf" target="_blank">http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf</a>
&gt; Favorite book/story by Tolkien:
Most of them
&gt; Do Balrogs have wings?:
Nescio
&gt; Do Elves have pointed ears?:
No
&gt; Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?:
Frodo did, strongly influenced and enhanced by the Ring.
&gt; Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?:
Yes.
&gt; Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?:
No. Sauron had to take them back when he no longer had the One to control
the lesser rings with. By holding the Nine rings himself, to which the
Nazgûl were now utterly enslaved, he could control them.
&gt; Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?:
Depends on which Dwarves and which Elves. Apparently in most cases, no.
&gt; Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?:
Both.
&gt; Do Dwarven women have beards?:
Thatt seems to me implicit in Tolkien's description of them: that they were
indistinguishable from Dwarf-men to the eyes of others.
&gt; Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel in
&gt; LOTR?:
Probably.
..&gt; Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?:
Nice action movies, somewhat influenced by the LotR books.
&gt; NOTES:
None.

Jon Lennart Beck.

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#51: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-06 04:27:37 by pogues

Troels Forchhammer wrote:
&gt; In message &lt;news:<a href="mailto:e8ct4p0jer&#64;enews3.newsguy.com" target="_blank">e8ct4p0jer&#64;enews3.newsguy.com</a>&gt;
&gt; &quot;Shanahan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:pogues&#64;bluefrog.com" target="_blank">pogues&#64;bluefrog.com</a>&gt; enriched us with:

&gt;&gt; Trashy fanfic involving Severus Snape.

&gt; But that . . .!?!

I just knew that would get a rise out of you, Troels! (aren't you the
consigliere over at afh-p?)

&gt; BTW -- not trashy (IMO), but does satisfy the rest:
&gt; &lt;<a href="http://curry.250x.com/Tower/Fiction/waterhorse/index.html" target="_blank">http://curry.250x.com/Tower/Fiction/waterhorse/index.html</a>&gt;

All right, you've outed me -- I enjoy non-trashy fic as well. ;)

&gt; ++ Divide By Cucumber Error. Please Reinstall Universe And Reboot ++
&gt; - /Hogfather/ (Terry Pratchett)

Love that sig!
- Ciaran S.

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#52: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-06 09:45:45 by Troels Forchhammer

In message &lt;news:<a href="mailto:e8hsce0ihk&#64;enews3.newsguy.com" target="_blank">e8hsce0ihk&#64;enews3.newsguy.com</a>&gt; &quot;Shanahan&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:pogues&#64;bluefrog.com" target="_blank">pogues&#64;bluefrog.com</a>&gt; enriched us with:
&gt;
&gt; Troels Forchhammer wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; In message &lt;news:<a href="mailto:e8ct4p0jer&#64;enews3.newsguy.com" target="_blank">e8ct4p0jer&#64;enews3.newsguy.com</a>&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;Shanahan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:pogues&#64;bluefrog.com" target="_blank">pogues&#64;bluefrog.com</a>&gt; enriched us with:
&gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Trashy fanfic involving Severus Snape.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; But that . . .!?!
&gt;
&gt; I just knew that would get a rise out of you, Troels!

Dat iz troelling, dat iz!

Generally I tend to avoid fan-fiction; in the few cases where it is
actually good, the authors would, IMO, do much better by writing
their own. But to each their own -- just because I think that &quot;trashy
fanfic&quot; is an pleonasm, that shouldn't stop others -- but trashy
/Snape/ fanfic? There is, apparently, something about that man that
calls for a greater variation, and while he is also the subject of
some of the very best (e.g. the exeption to the fanfic=trash rule
that I pointed to), the trashy part of it is so much worse than any
other trashy fanfic . . .

I have never read any Tolkien fan-fic (unless it was trying to sneak
past dressed up as a legitimate theory / analysis), though I suppose
that I can't, after the Jackson debacle, honestly say that I haven't
/seen/ any trashy Tolkien fan-fic . . . ;-)

&gt; aren't you the consigliere over at afh-p?

&quot;Was&quot; would be more correct: I left a while back (the discussions
were degenerating too fast).

&gt;&gt; BTW -- not trashy (IMO), but does satisfy the rest:
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="http://curry.250x.com/Tower/Fiction/waterhorse/index.html" target="_blank">http://curry.250x.com/Tower/Fiction/waterhorse/index.html</a>&gt;
&gt;
&gt; All right, you've outed me -- I enjoy non-trashy fic as well. ;)

I hope you enjoy it -- I know I did.

-
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is &lt;t.forch(a)email.dk&gt;

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simply one of grammar, and the main work to consult in this
matter is Dr Dan Streetmentioner's Time Traveller's
Handbook of 1001 Tense Formations.
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#53: Elven ears (was: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT)

Posted on 2006-07-06 12:18:07 by Dirk Thierbach

Troels Forchhammer &lt;<a href="mailto:Troels&#64;thisisfake.invalid" target="_blank">Troels&#64;thisisfake.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; In message &lt;news:<a href="mailto:4h08bvF1non9bU1&#64;individual.net" target="_blank">4h08bvF1non9bU1&#64;individual.net</a>&gt; &quot;Öjevind Lång&quot;
&gt;&gt; &quot;Troels Forchhammer&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Troels&#64;ThisIsFake.invalid" target="_blank">Troels&#64;ThisIsFake.invalid</a>&gt; skrev i meddelandet

&gt;&gt;&gt; Does that mean that Northern Scandinavian Elves have needle-shaped
&gt;&gt;&gt; ears?

&gt;&gt; Well, you have probably heard the expression &quot;spetsa öronen&quot;. ;-)
&gt;
&gt; Yes, of course. We have it in Danish as well -- good point!

Same in German, BTW. Though I guess it's more related to animals
like dogs. I wonder how the English version &quot;to prick up one's ears&quot;
relates? Does it really involve making a small hole? :-)

&gt; (Schleswig-Holstein elves are cursed with Oak-leaf shaped ears,
&gt; obviously)

Hmm. Why? I would have associated Oak and the whole &quot;Eichenlaub&quot;
business more with southern Germany. So the Bavarian elves, definitely
yes, but the Schleswig-Holstein ones? I cannot remember seeing a lot
of oaks in Schleswig-Holstein, either.

OTOH, I really pity the Canadian elves... :-)

- Dirk

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#54: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-06 15:38:11 by burnsdavidj

Phlip wrote:
&gt; burnsdavidj wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Do Dwarven women have beards?: I'll argue Dwarven women aren't canon. ;)
&gt;
&gt; Absolutely. All dwarves are gay, and reproduce via butt-babies.
&gt;
&gt; Explains a lot!
&gt; --
&gt; Phlip

My point was the texts don't refer to dwarven women to my knowledge,
and thus with zero knowledge we can't form an opinion on beards or not.


The only thing we know about dwarven creation is that Aule created the
7 dwarven chieftans himself. We're left to surmise that he borrowed a
few ribs and created two genders after-the-fact.

Actually, given that the elves and humans hadn't awoken yet, perhaps
Aule didn't understand Illuvatar's full plan, and completely missed the
concept of gender....maybe Illuvatar gifted to them dwarven women when
he granted them free will. Who knows?

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#55: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-06 16:04:28 by BaJoRi

&lt;<a href="mailto:burnsdavidj&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">burnsdavidj&#64;yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Phlip wrote:
&gt;&gt; burnsdavidj wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &gt; Do Dwarven women have beards?: I'll argue Dwarven women aren't canon.
&gt;&gt; &gt; ;)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Absolutely. All dwarves are gay, and reproduce via butt-babies.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Explains a lot!
&gt;&gt; --
&gt;&gt; Phlip
&gt;
&gt; My point was the texts don't refer to dwarven women to my knowledge,
&gt; and thus with zero knowledge we can't form an opinion on beards or not.

Well, I think a good indicator is Bombur. Watch the cartoon version of the
Hobbit, and you will see that character has breasts.


&gt;

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#56: Re: Elven ears (was: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT)

Posted on 2006-07-06 18:31:51 by Troels Forchhammer

In message
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&gt;
&gt; Troels Forchhammer &lt;<a href="mailto:Troels&#64;thisisfake.invalid" target="_blank">Troels&#64;thisisfake.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; (Schleswig-Holstein elves are cursed with Oak-leaf shaped ears,
&gt;&gt; obviously)
&gt;
&gt; Hmm. Why?

It's not always logical, but &quot;twin oaks&quot; is the traditional symbol of
Schleswig-Holstein (although that may, of course, have become a
strictly Danish symbolism; I wouldn't know about that).

--
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Valid e-mail is &lt;t.forch(a)email.dk&gt;

Love while you've got
love to give.
Live while you've got
life to live.
- Piet Hein, /Memento Vivere/

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#57: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-06 18:35:25 by Troels Forchhammer

In message
&lt;news:<a href="mailto:1152193091.889005.213150&#64;a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1152193091.889005.213150&#64;a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;
<a href="mailto:burnsdavidj&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">burnsdavidj&#64;yahoo.com</a> enriched us with:
&gt;

&lt;snip&gt;

&gt; My point was the texts don't refer to dwarven women to my
&gt; knowledge, and thus with zero knowledge we can't form an opinion
&gt; on beards or not.

There's Dís, the mother of Fili and Kili and daughter of Thráin II.
It's all in LotR App. A,III 'Durin's Folk', including the statement
that the Dwarf-women &quot;are in voice and appearance, [...], so like to
the dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of other peoples cannot tell them
apart.&quot;

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is &lt;t.forch(a)email.dk&gt;

Men, said the Devil,
are good to their brothers:
they don't want to mend
their own ways, but each other's.
- Piet Hein, /Mankind/

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#58: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-06 21:53:50 by Jette Goldie

&gt; Morgoth's Curse wrote:
&gt; Our beloved comrade Alatar seems to have vanished from the face of the
&gt; Earth, so I have taken the liberty of launching this year's Roll Call.
&gt; :-)
&gt;&gt;
&gt; NAME:
Jette Goldie
&gt;
&gt;&gt; DOB:
Too long ago. (ok, 24/08/1958)
&gt;
&gt; SEX:
Please!

Oh you mean &quot;Gender&quot;? Female.

&gt;
&gt; SPECIES:

Felinoid

&gt;
&gt; NATIONALITY:
Scottish
&gt;
&gt; POSTING SINCE:
I'd have to Google - 2002 perhaps?


&gt; HEROES:
Real life or fiction?


&gt;
&gt; LIKES:
cats, chocolate, books, music, comfy chairs.

&gt;
&gt; DISLIKES:
Some people, bad tv ads, traffic jams, cold damp weather.

&gt;
&gt; EMAIL:
in my sig.
&gt;
&gt; WEBSITE:
in my sig.
&gt;

&gt; Do Balrogs have wings?:
Duh! yes
&gt;
&gt; Do Elves have pointed ears?:
They always looked that way to me.
&gt;
&gt; Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?:
Aloud? No. But Frodo *heard* it anyway.

&gt; Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?:
Yes.

&gt; Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?:
Well, I can't see their fingers, so I don't know.

&gt; Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?:
Does anyone?

&gt; Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?:
Joint effort.

&gt;
&gt; Do Dwarven women have beards?:
don't know.

&gt; Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?:
I have my quibbles with one or two scenes, but generally yes.


--
Jette Goldie
<a href="mailto:jette&#64;blueyonder.co.uk" target="_blank">jette&#64;blueyonder.co.uk</a>
<a href="http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/</a>
(&quot;reply to&quot; is spamblocked)

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#59: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-06 22:41:31 by stevehim

Troels Forchhammer wrote:
&gt; In message
&gt; &lt;news:<a href="mailto:1152193091.889005.213150&#64;a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1152193091.889005.213150&#64;a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;
&gt; <a href="mailto:burnsdavidj&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">burnsdavidj&#64;yahoo.com</a> enriched us with:
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; My point was the texts don't refer to dwarven women to my
&gt; &gt; knowledge, and thus with zero knowledge we can't form an opinion
&gt; &gt; on beards or not.
&gt;
&gt; There's D=EDs, the mother of Fili and Kili and daughter of Thr=E1in II.
&gt; It's all in LotR App. A,III 'Durin's Folk', including the statement
&gt; that the Dwarf-women &quot;are in voice and appearance, [...], so like to
&gt; the dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of other peoples cannot tell them
&gt; apart.&quot;
&gt;


There's also a footnote in one of the Letters (212) describing the
thirteen Dwarves Aule created:

&quot;One, the eldest, alone, and six more with six mates.&quot;



&gt; --
&gt; Troels Forchhammer
&gt; Valid e-mail is &lt;t.forch(a)email.dk&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Men, said the Devil,
&gt; are good to their brothers:
&gt; they don't want to mend
&gt; their own ways, but each other's.
&gt; - Piet Hein, /Mankind/

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#60: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-07 04:43:38 by pogues

Troels Forchhammer wrote:
&gt; In message &lt;news:<a href="mailto:e8hsce0ihk&#64;enews3.newsguy.com" target="_blank">e8hsce0ihk&#64;enews3.newsguy.com</a>&gt; &quot;Shanahan&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:pogues&#64;bluefrog.com" target="_blank">pogues&#64;bluefrog.com</a>&gt; enriched us with:

&lt;snip&gt;
&gt;&gt; I just knew that would get a rise out of you, Troels!
&gt;
&gt; Dat iz troelling, dat iz!

&lt;Groan&gt;

&gt; /Snape/ fanfic? There is, apparently, something about that man that
&gt; calls for a greater variation, and while he is also the subject of
&gt; some of the very best (e.g. the exeption to the fanfic=trash rule
&gt; that I pointed to), the trashy part of it is so much worse than any
&gt; other trashy fanfic . . .

He is far the most interesting character in HP. He's not unlike Gollum,
in many ways. I think because he's compelling, even the godawful authors
write him. I hope (just as I hope, every dam* time I read LotR, that
Gollum will repent in the Pass above Cirith Ungol. Every. Dam*. Time)
that he achieves his redemption.

- Ciaran S.
---------------------

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#61: Re: Elven ears

Posted on 2006-07-07 09:27:44 by Dirk Thierbach

Troels Forchhammer &lt;<a href="mailto:Troels&#64;thisisfake.invalid" target="_blank">Troels&#64;thisisfake.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; It's not always logical, but &quot;twin oaks&quot; is the traditional symbol of
&gt; Schleswig-Holstein (although that may, of course, have become a
&gt; strictly Danish symbolism; I wouldn't know about that).

At least it's news to me :-) Though I am not from this area, so this
doesn't mean anything. But it doesn't seem to be reflected in the WWW:
Googling for &quot;Zwillingseiche&quot; yields lots of places all over Germany,
including at least one Swiss and one Polish page. Googling for
&quot;Schleswig-Holstein Zwillingseiche&quot; finds nothing relevant.

So maybe it has gone out of fashion. Any historical background
you know about?

- Dirk

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#62: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-08 01:43:32 by Arkady

&quot;Morgoth's Curse&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com" target="_blank">morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; Our beloved comrade Alatar seems to have vanished from the face of the
&gt; Earth, so I have taken the liberty of launching this year's Roll Call.
&gt; :-) (I have not included the usual link to her website as it is
&gt; defunct, but at least this information will be available on Google.)


Given that I started it, do I get to stay in it? Hell, do you even know who
I am?

Ever

Arky

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#63: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-08 02:35:37 by morgothscurse2002

On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:43:32 +0100, &quot;Arkady&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:redarkady&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">redarkady&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;
&gt;&quot;Morgoth's Curse&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com" target="_blank">morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;&gt; Our beloved comrade Alatar seems to have vanished from the face of the
&gt;&gt; Earth, so I have taken the liberty of launching this year's Roll Call.
&gt;&gt; :-) (I have not included the usual link to her website as it is
&gt;&gt; defunct, but at least this information will be available on Google.)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Given that I started it, do I get to stay in it?

Only if you choose to be included.

&gt; Hell, do you even know who
&gt;I am?
&gt;
&gt;Ever
&gt;
&gt;Arky

IIRC, you gave your blessing to Alatar when she took over the list. In
consideration of the fact that she is MIA and that neither you nor
anybody else has deemed it important to inform of us of when or even
if she will return to the Tolkien newsgroups, I felt that it was my
duty to take up the fallen banner, so to speak. I certainly do
appreciate and respect the original work that you put into the list
and that is why I am working on my own version. I am more than happy
to credit you as an inspiration.

Morgoth's Curse

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#64: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-08 02:48:49 by morgothscurse2002

On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 19:27:48 GMT, &quot;Bill O'Meally&quot;
&lt;<a href="mailto:OMeallyMD&#64;wise.rr.com" target="_blank">OMeallyMD&#64;wise.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;Morgoth's Curse wrote:
&gt; When my website is finished, I will repost
&gt;&gt; this questionnaire using a different format and with a few different
&gt;&gt; questions.
&gt;
&gt;So, why should we bother answering this one?

Tradition? ;-)

I also wanted to find out if Alatar still intends to participate here.
She has not, to the best of my knowledge, responded and the messages
that I sent to her various e-mail addresses were bounced back. Even
so I felt obligated to post her version one last time as a gesture of
respect. Steuard Jensen still credits William Loos in his FAQ even
though it has been almost ten years since Loos has modified it or
posted here.

Morgoth's Curse

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#65: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-08 04:52:43 by morgothscurse2002

On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 21:14:48 GMT, Troels Forchhammer
&lt;<a href="mailto:Troels&#64;ThisIsFake.invalid" target="_blank">Troels&#64;ThisIsFake.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;The long one has to do with people arguing over this for a long time,
&gt;without agreeing to disagree amiably (some of them, at least). It is
&gt;a question that has become even more interesting with the release of
&gt;the Reader's Companion, and one which I would be sorry to see
&gt;disappear entirely.

That is one reason why I have not yet completed my questionnaire. It
is difficult to choose exactly which questions to include. In
addition to the personal information, I plan to include questions
about how we were each introduced to the works of Tolkien. It is
unfortunate, but I think that I do not have any choice but to discard
the e-mail information. There are just too many spambots and spiders
on the Net these days. I may also discard the questions about whether
Elves had pointed ears and whether Glorfindel was the same elf
mentioned in both the first and third ages. I am currently struggling
with the issue of just how many questions to include. I don't think
it should exceed 25 questions, but the actual number may be dictated
by the amount of space allotted on my website.

Morgoth's Curse

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#66: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-08 08:53:40 by Henriette

Raven schreef:

&gt; *I* have vaguely leaf-shaped ears. They are not pointed at all, but the
&gt; earlobes join the sides of my head like the &quot;earlobes&quot; of a cat, rather than
&gt; being rounded and dipping down.

Dr Lombroso in his time had a thing or two to say about ears like that,
which can be summarized as: indicative of ye true Barbarian!

EntHierre

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#67: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-08 12:15:22 by Henriette

Raven schreef:
&gt;
&gt; I agree that it was a joint venture. (snip nice airoplane comparison)

Well, we can read!;-)

It may be an interesting undertaking, when most posters have filled out
the questionare, to look at the percentages. To see how many people
think Balrogs have tangible wings, how many think the Witch-king was
killed by Merry all by himself, or by =C9owyn all by herself, or that it
was a joint venture, etc.

&gt; Point venture? A pun. I shan't spoil your pleasure at figuring it ou=
t by Xplaining it to you.

The Pun Master is incessantly being challenged by Barbarians;-)

EntHierre

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#68: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-08 12:24:31 by Henriette

TT Arvind schreef:

&gt; Wes =F0u Raven hal!
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Point venture? A pun. I shan't spoil your pleasure at figuring it =
out
&gt; &gt; by Xplaining it to you.
&gt;
&gt; One could, however, point the way by reminding her of what clove the
&gt; Witch-King's joint.

The point is that the WK had a cloven joint which was beyond repairing
through any ointment.
(I'm trying to establish a front place for myself here in the Pun
Pecking-order!)

Iniyarutti

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#69: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-09 00:04:46 by TT Arvind

Wes =F0u Iniyarutti hal!
&gt;=20
&gt; The point is that the WK had a cloven joint which was beyond repairing
&gt; through any ointment.
&gt; (I'm trying to establish a front place for myself here in the Pun
&gt; Pecking-order!)

And in the process, the thread is being Shanghaied.

--=20
Arvind

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#70: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-09 00:07:06 by Morgil

Arkady wrote:
&gt; &quot;Morgoth's Curse&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com" target="_blank">morgothscurse2002&#64;nospam.yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt;
&gt;&gt;Our beloved comrade Alatar seems to have vanished from the face of the
&gt;&gt;Earth, so I have taken the liberty of launching this year's Roll Call.
&gt;&gt;:-) (I have not included the usual link to her website as it is
&gt;&gt;defunct, but at least this information will be available on Google.)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Given that I started it, do I get to stay in it? Hell, do you even know who
&gt; I am?

Newbies... they can guess - they'll nevre know.

Nevre, evre - know.

Morgil

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#71: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-09 00:22:37 by Raven

&quot;Henriette&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:heldenib&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">heldenib&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; skrev i en meddelelse
news:<a href="mailto:1152341620.927228.121610&#64;s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1152341620.927228.121610&#64;s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...</a>

&gt; Raven schreef:

[About my ears]

&gt; Dr Lombroso in his time had a thing or two to say about ears like that,
&gt; which can be summarized as: indicative of ye true Barbarian!

I have only two ears. A *true* barbarian has more than that: the two
that he was born with, and trophies.

Raafje.

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#72: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-09 00:38:57 by Raven

&quot;Henriette&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:heldenib&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">heldenib&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; skrev i en meddelelse
news:<a href="mailto:1152354271.724818.45810&#64;75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1152354271.724818.45810&#64;75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...</a>

&gt; (I'm trying to establish a front place for myself here in the Pun
&gt; Pecking-order!)

You shouldn't try to insert yourself into a pecking order where one of
the other participants is a raven. Unless you have certain beaky qualities
of your own, of course.

Raaf.

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#73: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-09 21:43:17 by Arkady

&gt;&gt;Given that I started it, do I get to stay in it?
&gt;
&gt; Only if you choose to be included.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Hell, do you even know who
&gt;&gt;I am?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Ever
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Arky
&gt;
&gt; IIRC, you gave your blessing to Alatar when she took over the list. In
&gt; consideration of the fact that she is MIA and that neither you nor
&gt; anybody else has deemed it important to inform of us of when or even
&gt; if she will return to the Tolkien newsgroups, I felt that it was my
&gt; duty to take up the fallen banner, so to speak. I certainly do
&gt; appreciate and respect the original work that you put into the list
&gt; and that is why I am working on my own version. I am more than happy
&gt; to credit you as an inspiration.
&gt;
&gt; Morgoth's Curse

Oh no need to worry about that, unless you use my commentary, which I doubt
you will! Good idea. Best of luck!

As for Alatar, I'm not in the loop. Last spoke to her in Porthmadog, Wales
in 2002 I think.

A

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#74: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-10 19:20:24 by Henriette

Raafje schreef:

&gt; I have only two ears. A *true* barbarian has more than that: the two
&gt; that he was born with, and trophies.

So why should you be elected The Barbarian of AFT/RABT? Just because
once in your life from afar you insulted an Irishman? Unfortunately the
Committee of Recommendation requires more barabarian acts in your
resume to qualify for The Title. Parachute jumps do not count,
unfortunately;-)

EntHierre

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#75: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-10 19:32:13 by Larry Swain

Morgoth's Curse wrote:
&gt; Our beloved comrade Alatar seems to have vanished from the face of the
&gt; Earth, so I have taken the liberty of launching this year's Roll Call.
&gt; :-) (I have not included the usual link to her website as it is
&gt; defunct, but at least this information will be available on Google.)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; NAME:
Larry Swain

&gt; DOB:

A long time ago, I don't really remember it.
&gt; SEX:

Frequently.

&gt; SPECIES:

Homo sapiens sapiens sapiens modernus
&gt; NATIONALITY:

USA

&gt; POSTING SINCE:

My first posts here were in 1993 on Leaf by Niggle. There were years
where I was not subscribed, and other years where I only lurked; but I
became a &quot;regular&quot; again in 2003.

&gt; HEROES:

Alfred the Great, Cnut, G. K. Chesterton, Tolkien, C. S. Lewis

&gt; LIKES:

good company, good food, good drink, good conversation

&gt; DISLIKES:

hypocrites, intentional stupidity

&gt; EMAIL:
&gt; WEBSITE:
&gt; Favorite Tolkien-related website:

The Tolkien Society, not sure of the url at the moment. Honorable
mention goes to Stan and the FAQ

&gt; Favorite book/story by Tolkien:

Farmer Giles

&gt; Do Balrogs have wings?:

Yes.

&gt; Do Elves have pointed ears?:

On Tuesdays and alternate Thursdays.

&gt; Did the ring speak on Mt. Doom?:

Oh, absolutely not. I once wrote a 9 page, single spaced article on the
topic that I'd be glad to make available to any who thinks so.

&gt; Did the Nazgul intend to get the Ring on Weathertop?:

Yes. They just didn't plan well, taking the &quot;easy&quot; way: let the Morgul
knife do its work and the Ring will come willingly.

&gt; Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?:

Depends on the age, doesn't it? If we're talking about the time of the
LoTR, no, Sauron is described at that point as wearing them. Early on
however they would have had to wear them.

&gt; Do Dwarves and Elves generally like each other?:

Again, depends on the age, but most of all, they have different
interests and different desires which while not necessarily engendering
dislike, does not engender friendship either.

&gt; Who killed the Witch-King, Merry or Eowyn?:

*SIGH* I've had to change my mind on this one. I'd have to say both
and reference Beowulf's death scene.

&gt; Do Dwarven women have beards?:

Only if they don't shave. Besides, how else does one explain that a
dwarf woman looks so like a bearded man as to be mistaken for one.

&gt; Was the original Glorfindel the same Elf as the 3rd age Glorfindel in
&gt; LOTR?:
Yes.

&gt; Do you like or dislike the LotR movies by Peter Jackson?:

Both. They are one man's interpretation of the books, there are good
things about them, and some absolutely horrible things.

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#76: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-10 21:38:28 by Raven

&quot;Henriette&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:heldenib&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">heldenib&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; skrev i en meddelelse
news:<a href="mailto:1152552024.203434.252120&#64;m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1152552024.203434.252120&#64;m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...</a>

&gt; Raafje schreef:

&gt; &gt; I have only two ears. A *true* barbarian has more than that: the two
&gt; &gt; that he was born with, and trophies.

&gt; So why should you be elected The Barbarian of AFT/RABT? Just because
&gt; once in your life from afar you insulted an Irishman? Unfortunately the
&gt; Committee of Recommendation requires more barabarian acts in your
&gt; resume to qualify for The Title. Parachute jumps do not count,
&gt; unfortunately;-)

Will *you* lend me an ear then?
At any rate, I know how to swear a little in Latin. Is *that* barbaric
enough?

Raafje.

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#77: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-11 03:00:08 by OMeallyMD

Larry Swain wrote:

[MR wrote:]
&gt;&gt; Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?:
&gt;
&gt; Depends on the age, doesn't it? If we're talking about the time of
&gt; the LoTR, no, Sauron is described at that point as wearing them.

Wearing them, or simply possessing them?
--
Bill

&quot;Wise fool&quot;
Gandalf, THE TWO TOWERS
-- The Wise will remove 'se' to reply; the Foolish will not--

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#78: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-11 03:43:20 by Phlip

Bill O'Meally wrote:

&gt;&gt; Depends on the age, doesn't it? If we're talking about the time of
&gt;&gt; the LoTR, no, Sauron is described at that point as wearing them.
&gt;
&gt; Wearing them, or simply possessing them?

One per remaining finger.

He probably thinks regaining the One will give him enough power to rebuild
more of his body.

--
Phlip
<a href="http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ZeekLand" target="_blank">http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ZeekLand</a> &lt;-- NOT a blog!!!

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#79: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-11 06:25:45 by Larry Swain

Bill O'Meally wrote:
&gt; Larry Swain wrote:
&gt;
&gt; [MR wrote:]
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;Do the Nazgul carry their own rings?:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;Depends on the age, doesn't it? If we're talking about the time of
&gt;&gt;the LoTR, no, Sauron is described at that point as wearing them.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Wearing them, or simply possessing them?


Good question....I thought it was wearing them, but am on vacation and
have not the books to double check.

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#80: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-12 20:50:55 by Henriette

Raven schreef:
&gt;
&gt; Will *you* lend me an ear then?

When you'll not sing me a song, least of all an Abba-song;-)

&gt; At any rate, I know how to swear a little in Latin. Is *that* barbaric enough?

I suppose Barbarians also need someone so refined he knows how to swear
a little in Latin - apart from cursing all day in Barbarian. So OK,
that'll do. For the moment...

EntHierre

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#81: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-16 15:49:10 by Een Wilde Ier

Henriette wrote:
&gt; Raafje schreef:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; I have only two ears. A *true* barbarian has more than that: the two
&gt;&gt; that he was born with, and trophies.
&gt;
&gt; So why should you be elected The Barbarian of AFT/RABT? Just because
&gt; once in your life from afar you insulted an Irishman?

Yes, it seems that latter-day Weejuns have a vastly deflated concept of
what being a 'proper' barbarian entails...

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#82: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-18 15:14:57 by Alatar

Morgoth's Curse wrote:
&gt; On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 19:27:48 GMT, &quot;Bill O'Meally&quot;
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:OMeallyMD&#64;wise.rr.com" target="_blank">OMeallyMD&#64;wise.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt;Morgoth's Curse wrote:
&gt; &gt; When my website is finished, I will repost
&gt; &gt;&gt; this questionnaire using a different format and with a few different
&gt; &gt;&gt; questions.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;So, why should we bother answering this one?
&gt;
&gt; Tradition? ;-)
&gt;
&gt; I also wanted to find out if Alatar still intends to participate here.
&gt; She has not, to the best of my knowledge, responded and the messages
&gt; that I sent to her various e-mail addresses were bounced back.

Some people are best contacted by saying their name 3 times, yerknow ;)

Sorry about bouncing e-mails.. the most recent addess should have
worked, but perhaps it bounced off the spam. Anyway, I appreciate your
intention to revive the who's who, and I'm sorry it's been gone for so
long. But before you do too much more hard work, e-mail me at
<a href="mailto:everlearning&#64;warpmail.net" target="_blank">everlearning&#64;warpmail.net</a> and we can see whats what. I've still got the
old HTML files and titles pictures (and will be happy to make matching
new ones of course).

As to people wondering why to fill in the current questionaire.. this
isn't the first time the questions have been modified, and it gives a
consistant base to work from.

&gt; Even so I felt obligated to post her version one last time as a gesture
&gt; of respect.

man, even I'm starting to think I must have died...

--
Alatar

PS Hi oldies!

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#83: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-18 16:27:30 by TT Arvind

Wes =F0u Alatar hal!

&gt; PS Hi oldies!

Hoi Ala. How're things.

--
Marvin of India

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#84: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-18 16:45:02 by Alatar

Morgoth's Curse wrote:
&lt;snip&gt;

&gt; In
&gt; consideration of the fact that she is MIA and that neither you nor
&gt; anybody else has deemed it important to inform of us of when or even
&gt; if she will return to the Tolkien newsgroups,

In fairness, I should explain that no one had any info to report. Apart
from a brief nod at the passing of Softy, I've been out of everyones
loop until 2 days ago. And if I hadn't heard of this thread, I've no
idea how long it would have been until I'd found my way back to AFT.

&gt; I am more than happy to credit you as an inspiration.

I find it best to credit Arky as a scapegoat for all the bits people
don't like :)

--
Alatar

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#85: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-18 21:45:28 by gp.skinner

&gt; man, even I'm starting to think I must have died...

What colour?

&gt; Alatar

&gt; PS Hi oldies!

I'm not old, but hi anyhoo.

Graeme

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#86: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-18 22:36:50 by Count Menelvagor

gp.skinner wrote:
&gt; &gt; man, even I'm starting to think I must have died...
&gt;
&gt; What colour?
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Alatar
&gt;
&gt; &gt; PS Hi oldies!
&gt;
&gt; I'm not old, but hi anyhoo.

*wavez.

yo dudes!

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#87: Re: Elven ears

Posted on 2006-07-18 23:15:56 by cbstewart3rd

Dirk Thierbach wrote:
&gt; Troels Forchhammer &lt;<a href="mailto:Troels&#64;thisisfake.invalid" target="_blank">Troels&#64;thisisfake.invalid</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; It's not always logical, but &quot;twin oaks&quot; is the traditional symbol of
&gt; &gt; Schleswig-Holstein (although that may, of course, have become a
&gt; &gt; strictly Danish symbolism; I wouldn't know about that).
&gt;
&gt; At least it's news to me :-) Though I am not from this area, so this
&gt; doesn't mean anything. But it doesn't seem to be reflected in the WWW:
&gt; Googling for &quot;Zwillingseiche&quot; yields lots of places all over Germany,
&gt; including at least one Swiss and one Polish page. Googling for
&gt; &quot;Schleswig-Holstein Zwillingseiche&quot; finds nothing relevant.
&gt;
&gt; So maybe it has gone out of fashion. Any historical background
&gt; you know about?

Well, of course. Troels is talking through the fork in his beard!

Schleswig-Holstein elves have one ear in which naught but Danish is
audible, and the other in which only German is audible. The brain
between is, as usual, at war with itself.

That lamentable situation abides until the resurrection and elucidation
of Lord Palmerston, Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, or of that mad
professor who was the third learned man of the trio who grasped the
answer to the impenetrable Schleswig-Holstein Question.

Geez, didn't they teach you nothin' in grammar school?

Charles Stewart

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#88: Re: Elven ears

Posted on 2006-07-19 11:44:46 by Taemon

I'm currently playing the &quot;strange word game&quot; in which one is to make
up definitions for strange words (one point for picking the right one
and one point for having your definition picked. Someone up for it?).
I made up some plant and just had to use the phrase &quot;ear-shaped
leaves&quot;. Of course, no one from my company will get that joke so I
thought I'd share.

T.

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#89: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-19 15:37:39 by Tamf Moo

Raven wrote:

&gt; I have only two ears. A *true* barbarian has more than that: the two
&gt; that he was born with, and trophies.

in order to maintain their status as barbarian lands, the scandinavian
countries cling to currencies divided into crowns (kroner) and ears
(øre). no wussy euros or cents for us, sir!

--
tamf. TEUNC. smithereen.

All that glitters has a high refractive index. (BelDion)

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#90: Re: Elven ears

Posted on 2006-07-19 15:40:49 by Tamf Moo

Taemon wrote:
&gt; I'm currently playing the &quot;strange word game&quot; in which one is to make
&gt; up definitions for strange words (one point for picking the right one
&gt; and one point for having your definition picked. Someone up for it?).

sounds like fun! (okay, i know it's fun, i've played it). my only worry
is that as a worshipper of Tyope i'll insist that alll deinitions are
correct.

&gt; I made up some plant and just had to use the phrase &quot;ear-shaped
&gt; leaves&quot;. Of course, no one from my company will get that joke so I
&gt; thought I'd share.

ha ha ha! (okay, now i understand why people tend to use silly
abbreviations instead of laughing on the screen. it looks even sillier.)

--
tamf. TEUNC. smithereen.

All that glitters has a high refractive index. (BelDion)

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#91: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-19 15:42:09 by Tamf Moo

TT Arvind wrote:

&gt;&gt; (I'm trying to establish a front place for myself here in the Pun
&gt;&gt; Pecking-order!)

&gt; And in the process, the thread is being Shanghaied.

ooh, yet another pun thread is Melbourne.

--
tamf. TEUNC. smithereen.

All that glitters has a high refractive index. (BelDion)

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#92: Re: Elven ears

Posted on 2006-07-19 23:55:17 by Taemon

Tamf Moo wrote:

&gt; Taemon wrote:
&gt;&gt; I'm currently playing the &quot;strange word game&quot; in which one is to
&gt;&gt; make up definitions for strange words (one point for picking the
&gt;&gt; right one and one point for having your definition picked.
&gt;&gt; Someone up for it?).
&gt; sounds like fun! (okay, i know it's fun, i've played it). my only
&gt; worry is that as a worshipper of Tyope i'll insist that alll
&gt; deinitions are correct.

Well, make up a wrod? (Boy, that was actually HARD to do!)

&gt;&gt; I made up some plant and just had to use the phrase &quot;ear-shaped
&gt;&gt; leaves&quot;. Of course, no one from my company will get that joke so
&gt;&gt; I thought I'd share.
&gt; ha ha ha! (okay, now i understand why people tend to use silly
&gt; abbreviations instead of laughing on the screen. it looks even
&gt; sillier.)

Especially &quot;LOL&quot;, which is the Dutch word for fun, making it all the
more silly. Still, I can't help but feel flattered that my fool is
laughing at my joke!

T.

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#93: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-20 10:02:45 by Henriette

Een Wilde Ier schreef:

&gt; Henriette wrote:
&gt; &gt; Raafje schreef:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt; I have only two ears. A *true* barbarian has more than that: the t=
wo
&gt; &gt;&gt; that he was born with, and trophies.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; So why should you be elected The Barbarian of AFT/RABT? Just because
&gt; &gt; once in your life from afar you insulted an Irishman?
&gt;
&gt; Yes, it seems that latter-day Weejuns have a vastly deflated concept of
&gt; what being a 'proper' barbarian entails...

It wouldn't be so bad if they would just let go of the word
'barbarian', but they cling to it with all their might, with arguments
having gone down to the level of: most Weejuns having two ears,
clinging to currencies divided into crowns (kroner) and ears (=F8re)
and: some knowing a tough word in Latin...

HB

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#94: Re: Elven ears

Posted on 2006-07-20 10:15:09 by Henriette

Taemon schreef:

&gt; Tamf Moo wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Taemon wrote:
&gt; &gt;&gt; I'm currently playing the &quot;strange word game&quot; in which one is to
&gt; &gt;&gt; make up definitions for strange words (one point for picking the
&gt; &gt;&gt; right one and one point for having your definition picked.
&gt; &gt;&gt; Someone up for it?).
&gt; &gt; sounds like fun! (okay, i know it's fun, i've played it). my only
&gt; &gt; worry is that as a worshipper of Tyope i'll insist that alll
&gt; &gt; deinitions are correct.
&gt;
&gt; Well, make up a wrod? (Boy, that was actually HARD to do!)
&gt;
I don't understand the game, can you and/or Tamf give an example before
I decide to join? (This game somehow reminds me of the time posters
were guessing at the correct spelling of Dutch words;-)

H.

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#95: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-20 15:15:10 by Tamf Moo

Henriette wrote:

&gt; It wouldn't be so bad if they would just let go of the word
&gt; 'barbarian', but they cling to it with all their might, with arguments
&gt; having gone down to the level of: most Weejuns having two ears,
&gt; clinging to currencies divided into crowns (kroner) and ears (øre)
&gt; and: some knowing a tough word in Latin...

look -- thjey* need to keep up a certain, rough image in order to scare
off the dragons and thje* trolls (never mind that the dragons and trolls
have also become rather shy and polite).

* chjanneling o'neill, am i? HJELP!

--
tamf. TEUNC. manifesto.

By the way, I'm really sick of hearing about how great Scandinavian
countries are (something that seems to creep into every single feminist
work/home/childcare/maternity leave debate). ENOUGH ALREADY. YOU ALSO
HAVE CRAP FOOD AND WEIRD BELIEFS ABOUT GNOMES. (smartypantsmimi)

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#96: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-21 00:50:43 by TT Arvind

Wes =F0u Iniyarutti hal!
&gt; Een Wilde Ier schreef:
&gt;=20
&gt; &gt; Yes, it seems that latter-day Weejuns have a vastly deflated concept of
&gt; &gt; what being a 'proper' barbarian entails...
&gt;=20
&gt; It wouldn't be so bad if they would just let go of the word
&gt; 'barbarian', but they cling to it with all their might, with arguments
&gt; having gone down to the level of: most Weejuns having two ears,
&gt; clinging to currencies divided into crowns (kroner) and ears (=F8re)

Aye, what a sorry reminder of the glorious days of yore when the=20
Viking's main units of exchange actually *were* the hairy crowns and=20
ears that had formerly been part of the heads of slain enemies.=20


Arvind

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#97: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-21 01:14:32 by Christopher Kreuzer

TT Arvind &lt;<a href="mailto:ttarvind&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">ttarvind&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; Wes ðu Iniyarutti hal!
&gt;&gt; Een Wilde Ier schreef:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; Yes, it seems that latter-day Weejuns have a vastly deflated
&gt;&gt;&gt; concept of what being a 'proper' barbarian entails...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; It wouldn't be so bad if they would just let go of the word
&gt;&gt; 'barbarian', but they cling to it with all their might, with
&gt;&gt; arguments having gone down to the level of: most Weejuns having two
&gt;&gt; ears, clinging to currencies divided into crowns (kroner) and ears
&gt;&gt; (øre)
&gt;
&gt; Aye, what a sorry reminder of the glorious days of yore when the
&gt; Viking's main units of exchange actually *were* the hairy crowns and
&gt; ears that had formerly been part of the heads of slain enemies.

:-(

Please tell me you are joking...

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#98: Re: Elven ears

Posted on 2006-07-21 09:29:11 by Odysseus

In article &lt;<a href="mailto:1153383309.580943.173850&#64;i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com" target="_blank">1153383309.580943.173850&#64;i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com</a>&gt;,
&quot;Henriette&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:heldenib&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">heldenib&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:

&lt;snip&gt;

&gt; I don't understand the game, can you and/or Tamf give an example before
&gt; I decide to join? (This game somehow reminds me of the time posters
&gt; were guessing at the correct spelling of Dutch words;-)

The version of the Dictionary Game I've played went something like this:

The player whose turn it is to be dictionary-keeper finds a little-known
word in the dictionary, and announces it to the other players, with the
spelling and part of speech. They each write down a definition for the
word. When all are ready, or when a time limit expires, they're read
aloud, and a point is scored by the players' favourite, as determined by
a vote (a humorous or clever definition can do better than a true one).
Each player with a correct definition also scores a point; if nobody is
right, the dictionary-keeper scores a point.

--
Odysseus

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#99: Re: Elven ears

Posted on 2006-07-21 12:09:36 by Taemon

Odysseus wrote:

&gt; The version of the Dictionary Game I've played went something
&gt; like this:
&gt; &lt;snip&gt;
&gt; Each player
&gt; with a correct definition also scores a point; if nobody is
&gt; right, the dictionary-keeper scores a point.

That's it, although I didn't know about the keeper scoring points.
What I can't get through the heat-melted skulls of my, uh, co-players
is that you're not supposed to give a correct definition. So I keep
getting the same definitions, but in other wordings. No fun at all.

T.

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#100: OT: Dictionary game (was: Elven ears)

Posted on 2006-07-21 15:14:28 by Dirk Thierbach

Taemon &lt;<a href="mailto:Taemon&#64;zonnet.nl" target="_blank">Taemon&#64;zonnet.nl</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; Odysseus wrote:

&gt;&gt; The version of the Dictionary Game I've played went something
&gt;&gt; like this:

&gt;&gt; Each player
&gt;&gt; with a correct definition also scores a point; if nobody is
&gt;&gt; right, the dictionary-keeper scores a point.

&gt; That's it, although I didn't know about the keeper scoring points.
&gt; What I can't get through the heat-melted skulls of my, uh, co-players
&gt; is that you're not supposed to give a correct definition.

Why not? After all, they get a point for it :-)

&gt; So I keep getting the same definitions, but in other wordings. No
&gt; fun at all.

Just make sure the dictionary keeper chooses a more difficult word
(that's why he gets a point if nobody knows the right definition. If
one point is not enough motivation, change the rules to give him
more.) With the right dictionary, preferably an older one, that's
usually no problem. An old Duden usually has plenty of words my
co-players have never heard of :-)

- Dirk

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#101: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-21 16:51:10 by TT Arvind

Wes =F0u Christopher Kreuzer hal!
&gt; TT Arvind &lt;<a href="mailto:ttarvind&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">ttarvind&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; Aye, what a sorry reminder of the glorious days of yore when the
&gt; &gt; Viking's main units of exchange actually *were* the hairy crowns and
&gt; &gt; ears that had formerly been part of the heads of slain enemies.
&gt;=20
&gt; Please tell me you are joking...

Bah, if you insist. The name of the coin &quot;=F8re&quot; comes - via Old Norse=20
eyrir - from Latin aureus (a type of gold coin), and has nothing to do=20
with the word &quot;=F8re&quot; meaning ear which comes from Old Norse eyra. Now=20
will that stop you from cowering in terror everytime you walk past the=20
Norwegian embassy?

And the only reason I'm admitting this is that it creates yet another=20
Scandinavian linguistics thread. Bw=FCh=E6h=E6h=E6h=E6!

--
Arvind
N=F8b=F8d=FD exp=E6cts =FEe Sk=E5n=F0in=E4vi=E4n c=F8nsp=EFr=E6c=FD

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#102: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-21 20:07:12 by bredband.net

&quot;TT Arvind&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ttarvind&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">ttarvind&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; skrev i meddelandet
news:<a href="mailto:MPG.1f2afa3a1c4f49bd989d3b&#64;news.individual.net..." target="_blank">MPG.1f2afa3a1c4f49bd989d3b&#64;news.individual.net...</a>
&gt;Wes ðu Christopher Kreuzer hal!
&gt;&gt; TT Arvind &lt;<a href="mailto:ttarvind&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">ttarvind&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt; Aye, what a sorry reminder of the glorious days of yore when the
&gt;&gt; &gt; Viking's main units of exchange actually *were* the hairy crowns and
&gt;&gt; &gt; ears that had formerly been part of the heads of slain enemies.
&gt;
&gt;&gt; Please tell me you are joking...

&gt;Bah, if you insist. The name of the coin &quot;øre&quot; comes - via Old Norse
eyrir - from Latin aureus (a type of gold coin), and has nothing to do
with the word &quot;øre&quot; meaning ear which comes from Old Norse eyra. Now
will that stop you from cowering in terror everytime you walk past the
Norwegian embassy?

&gt;And the only reason I'm admitting this is that it creates yet another
Scandinavian linguistics thread. Bwühæhæhæhæ!

There is also a Swedish word &quot;lösöre&quot; which means &quot;movable property&quot;, that
is to say, cut off ears that can be handed to somebody else as part of a
business deal.

Öjevind

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#103: Re: Dictionary game (was: Elven ears)

Posted on 2006-07-22 10:41:14 by Taemon

Dirk Thierbach wrote:

&gt; Taemon &lt;<a href="mailto:Taemon&#64;zonnet.nl" target="_blank">Taemon&#64;zonnet.nl</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; So I keep getting the same definitions, but in other wordings. No
&gt;&gt; fun at all.
&gt; Just make sure the dictionary keeper chooses a more difficult word
&gt; (that's why he gets a point if nobody knows the right definition.

They used... Google. Only the first time, though. At this rate, we'll
be playing a fun game when it gets cold again.

T.

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#104: Re: OT: Dictionary game

Posted on 2006-07-22 14:50:27 by Dirk Thierbach

Taemon &lt;<a href="mailto:Taemon&#64;zonnet.nl" target="_blank">Taemon&#64;zonnet.nl</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; Dirk Thierbach wrote:

&gt;&gt; Taemon &lt;<a href="mailto:Taemon&#64;zonnet.nl" target="_blank">Taemon&#64;zonnet.nl</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; So I keep getting the same definitions, but in other wordings. No
&gt;&gt;&gt; fun at all.

&gt;&gt; Just make sure the dictionary keeper chooses a more difficult word
&gt;&gt; (that's why he gets a point if nobody knows the right definition.

&gt; They used... Google. Only the first time, though.

As a dictionary for the dictionary keeper, or to cheat and find out
what the words really mean? Both are bad ideas :-)

- Dirk

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#105: Re: OT: Dictionary game

Posted on 2006-07-23 12:39:25 by Taemon

Dirk Thierbach wrote:

&gt; Taemon &lt;<a href="mailto:Taemon&#64;zonnet.nl" target="_blank">Taemon&#64;zonnet.nl</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt; Dirk Thierbach wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Taemon &lt;<a href="mailto:Taemon&#64;zonnet.nl" target="_blank">Taemon&#64;zonnet.nl</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; So I keep getting the same definitions, but in other wordings.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; No fun at all.
&gt;&gt;&gt; Just make sure the dictionary keeper chooses a more difficult
&gt;&gt;&gt; word (that's why he gets a point if nobody knows the right
&gt;&gt;&gt; definition.
&gt;&gt; They used... Google. Only the first time, though.
&gt; As a dictionary for the dictionary keeper, or to cheat and find
&gt; out what the words really mean? Both are bad ideas :-)

The second one! I should have broken off that round immediately. But I
thought, maybe if they see all those definitions listed, they'll
realise what the fun of that game is. We're in the second round and
they don't understand yet. Part of this is my fault, because I'm the
Didactic Demon of Doom and I couldn't explain why one and one is two
without making you think that maybe it should be 3.14, but really, how
much explanation does a simple game like that need? Grmbl. Thanks for
listening to my off-topic ranting. Although I do think the game is
suited for this newsgroup... AFT that is, not RABT. With suitable
words.

T.

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#106: Re: The 2006 Who's Who of AFT/RABT

Posted on 2006-07-23 20:15:18 by Christopher Kreuzer

TT Arvind &lt;<a href="mailto:ttarvind&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">ttarvind&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt; Wes ðu Christopher Kreuzer hal!
&gt;&gt; TT Arvind &lt;<a href="mailto:ttarvind&#64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">ttarvind&#64;hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Aye, what a sorry reminder of the glorious days of yore when the
&gt;&gt;&gt; Viking's main units of exchange actually *were* the hairy crowns and
&gt;&gt;&gt; ears that had formerly been part of the heads of slain enemies.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Please tell me you are joking...
&gt;
&gt; Bah, if you insist. The name of the coin &quot;øre&quot; comes - via Old Norse
&gt; eyrir - from Latin aureus (a type of gold coin), and has nothing to do
&gt; with the word &quot;øre&quot; meaning ear which comes from Old Norse eyra. Now
&gt; will that stop you from cowering in terror everytime you walk past the
&gt; Norwegian embassy?

I'd have to know where it is first... ;-)

&gt; And the only reason I'm admitting this is that it creates yet another
&gt; Scandinavian linguistics thread. Bwühæhæhæhæ!

LOL!

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