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#1: Did Vader know Leia was his daughter in ESB?

Posted on 2006-07-06 01:36:49 by dontdamnme_79

This may sound like a strange question and I apologize if the topic has
been beat to death already (I did a search and didn't find this
question from ESB). In ESB, at the Cloud City, when Vader is going to
carbonate Han, and Chewie goes wookie on Vader and his stormtroopers...
there is brief portion in that seen where I think one of the
stormtroopers is about to fire his gun and Vader pushes his gun down
quickly, as if he knew where the shot was headed. Its hard to tell,
because of the darkness of the scene, but it looks as if Vader briefly
stares at Leia to in the instance. She then backs away like she sensed
something right then. If she did, then I'm sure Vader would have had
to also.

So, I've not seen it discussed here: is it possible Vader knew Leia was
his daughter in ESB? Perhaps he found out on the Cloud City? It seems
it would fit at the end of ROTJ when he tells Luke: "tell your sister
she was right about me." Perhaps Vader then realized it was Leia and
recalls torturing her in ANH and ESB?

Anyhow, I've always wondered about that sequence, because its very
evident something was sensed there by Leia. Seems to me it would be
hard for Leia to sense it then without Vader knowing. Anybody know an
answer? Thanks.

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#2: Re: Did Vader know Leia was his daughter in ESB?

Posted on 2006-07-06 02:28:46 by Ryan Evans

No. He learned from Luke in ROTJ when they were fighting at the end.

......especially for-----Sister.---so--you have a twin sister.Obi-wan was
wise for hiding her from me....etc.

The looks probably were of revenge from Vader and hate from
Leia.......remember ANH?

RE

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&gt; This may sound like a strange question and I apologize if the topic has
&gt; been beat to death already (I did a search and didn't find this
&gt; question from ESB). In ESB, at the Cloud City, when Vader is going to
&gt; carbonate Han, and Chewie goes wookie on Vader and his stormtroopers...
&gt; there is brief portion in that seen where I think one of the
&gt; stormtroopers is about to fire his gun and Vader pushes his gun down
&gt; quickly, as if he knew where the shot was headed. Its hard to tell,
&gt; because of the darkness of the scene, but it looks as if Vader briefly
&gt; stares at Leia to in the instance. She then backs away like she sensed
&gt; something right then. If she did, then I'm sure Vader would have had
&gt; to also.
&gt;
&gt; So, I've not seen it discussed here: is it possible Vader knew Leia was
&gt; his daughter in ESB? Perhaps he found out on the Cloud City? It seems
&gt; it would fit at the end of ROTJ when he tells Luke: &quot;tell your sister
&gt; she was right about me.&quot; Perhaps Vader then realized it was Leia and
&gt; recalls torturing her in ANH and ESB?
&gt;
&gt; Anyhow, I've always wondered about that sequence, because its very
&gt; evident something was sensed there by Leia. Seems to me it would be
&gt; hard for Leia to sense it then without Vader knowing. Anybody know an
&gt; answer? Thanks.
&gt;

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#3: Re: Did Vader know Leia was his daughter in ESB?

Posted on 2006-07-06 05:51:50 by OSI

<a href="mailto:dontdamnme_79&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">dontdamnme_79&#64;yahoo.com</a> wrote:

&gt; So, I've not seen it discussed here: is it possible Vader knew Leia was
&gt; his daughter in ESB?

I've always felt as if Vader was chasing the Falcon in ESB because he
thought Luke was aboard. But he didn't sense Luke, he sensed Leia. When
he discovered Luke wasn't on the ship, he realized he was just sensing
another person strong in the force.

So, I imagine he's known Leia was strong in the force for a long time.
How could he not? He's been in close contact with her so many times in
the Original Trilogy.


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#4: Re: Did Vader know Leia was his daughter in ESB?

Posted on 2006-07-06 06:12:51 by Solon

<a href="mailto:_dontdamnme_79&#64;yahoo.com_" target="_blank">_dontdamnme_79&#64;yahoo.com_</a> spoke thusly on 05/07/2006 7:36 PM:
&gt; This may sound like a strange question and I apologize if the topic has
&gt; been beat to death already (I did a search and didn't find this
&gt; question from ESB). In ESB, at the Cloud City, when Vader is going to
&gt; carbonate Han, and Chewie goes wookie on Vader and his stormtroopers...
&gt; there is brief portion in that seen where I think one of the
&gt; stormtroopers is about to fire his gun and Vader pushes his gun down
&gt; quickly, as if he knew where the shot was headed. Its hard to tell,
&gt; because of the darkness of the scene, but it looks as if Vader briefly
&gt; stares at Leia to in the instance. She then backs away like she sensed
&gt; something right then. If she did, then I'm sure Vader would have had
&gt; to also.
&gt;
&gt; So, I've not seen it discussed here: is it possible Vader knew Leia was
&gt; his daughter in ESB? Perhaps he found out on the Cloud City? It seems
&gt; it would fit at the end of ROTJ when he tells Luke: &quot;tell your sister
&gt; she was right about me.&quot; Perhaps Vader then realized it was Leia and
&gt; recalls torturing her in ANH and ESB?
&gt;
&gt; Anyhow, I've always wondered about that sequence, because its very
&gt; evident something was sensed there by Leia. Seems to me it would be
&gt; hard for Leia to sense it then without Vader knowing. Anybody know an
&gt; answer? Thanks.

It has been discussed before. Vader needed Luke's friends to be in pain;
which attracts Luke to come to their rescue. (&quot;I can't the vision out of
my head. They're my friends. I've got to save them.&quot;) If they're dead,
they're not in pain. Vader didn't know if Han would survive the carbon
freezing chamber. He couldn't afford to kill Leia.

I wouldn't be surprised if Vader never actually knew Leia was his
daughter. It wasn't until the last part of ROTJ, that Vader sensed that
Luke even had a twin sister; but Vader never named her. He probably
figured it was Leia, because that was the only one of Luke's friends
Luke had strong feelings for.
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#5: Re: Did Vader know Leia was his daughter in ESB?

Posted on 2006-07-06 06:22:43 by Gavo Fett

&gt; So, I imagine he's known Leia was strong in the force for a long time.
&gt; How could he not? He's been in close contact with her so many times in
&gt; the Original Trilogy.
&gt;

&gt;From memory, somewhere in the original novelizations of the first 3
movies (I think in James Khan's Return of the Jedi), there's discussion
of Leia's resistance to the mind probe. It talks, from Leia's point of
view about her use of the force.

(It also talks about her use of the force while killing Jabba).

I presume that if she was &quot;using&quot; the force, while in the presence of
Vader, that he would decide that she has force potential (ie:
midi-chlorians again).

I doubt that he'd necessarily decide that she was &quot;family&quot;,
particularly not in ANH, but he may have felt that she was a descendant
of some other jedi. He was obviously not interested in recruitment and
training.

There's no evidence to suggest that he knew that they were twins
(although it's unusual that he wouldn't have detected the unborn babies
- or that Padme didn't have an ultrasound). When he found out about
Luke, assuming that he didnt know that there were TWO babies, he would
have decided that the one with his surname was his descendant and
forgotten about Leia. (written her off as just another force user).

That's my theory anyway.

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#6: Re: Did Vader know Leia was his daughter in ESB?

Posted on 2006-07-06 17:15:51 by Anthony

You think he would have sensed somthing though when he was tortusing her in
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&gt; <a href="mailto:_dontdamnme_79&#64;yahoo.com_" target="_blank">_dontdamnme_79&#64;yahoo.com_</a> spoke thusly on 05/07/2006 7:36 PM:
&gt;&gt; This may sound like a strange question and I apologize if the topic has
&gt;&gt; been beat to death already (I did a search and didn't find this
&gt;&gt; question from ESB). In ESB, at the Cloud City, when Vader is going to
&gt;&gt; carbonate Han, and Chewie goes wookie on Vader and his stormtroopers...
&gt;&gt; there is brief portion in that seen where I think one of the
&gt;&gt; stormtroopers is about to fire his gun and Vader pushes his gun down
&gt;&gt; quickly, as if he knew where the shot was headed. Its hard to tell,
&gt;&gt; because of the darkness of the scene, but it looks as if Vader briefly
&gt;&gt; stares at Leia to in the instance. She then backs away like she sensed
&gt;&gt; something right then. If she did, then I'm sure Vader would have had
&gt;&gt; to also.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; So, I've not seen it discussed here: is it possible Vader knew Leia was
&gt;&gt; his daughter in ESB? Perhaps he found out on the Cloud City? It seems
&gt;&gt; it would fit at the end of ROTJ when he tells Luke: &quot;tell your sister
&gt;&gt; she was right about me.&quot; Perhaps Vader then realized it was Leia and
&gt;&gt; recalls torturing her in ANH and ESB?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Anyhow, I've always wondered about that sequence, because its very
&gt;&gt; evident something was sensed there by Leia. Seems to me it would be
&gt;&gt; hard for Leia to sense it then without Vader knowing. Anybody know an
&gt;&gt; answer? Thanks.
&gt;
&gt; It has been discussed before. Vader needed Luke's friends to be in pain;
&gt; which attracts Luke to come to their rescue. (&quot;I can't the vision out of
&gt; my head. They're my friends. I've got to save them.&quot;) If they're dead,
&gt; they're not in pain. Vader didn't know if Han would survive the carbon
&gt; freezing chamber. He couldn't afford to kill Leia.
&gt;
&gt; I wouldn't be surprised if Vader never actually knew Leia was his
&gt; daughter. It wasn't until the last part of ROTJ, that Vader sensed that
&gt; Luke even had a twin sister; but Vader never named her. He probably
&gt; figured it was Leia, because that was the only one of Luke's friends Luke
&gt; had strong feelings for.
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#7: Re: Did Vader know Leia was his daughter in ESB?

Posted on 2006-07-07 00:23:37 by Gavo Fett

Anthony wrote:
&gt; You think he would have sensed somthing though when he was tortusing her in
&gt; ANH

Not that I really have much experience of torture, but usually you're
not trying to sense out family connections. I think that the main
thing would be to increase the fear factor etc.

Besides, he could hardly read it in her mind since she didn't know.

I'm not sure whether he would have known that she was not the
biological child of Bail and Breha Organa of Alderaan, since he was a
bit busy at the time and he wouldn't necessarily have gone researching
her parentage 20 years later.

You're assuming that Jedi/Sith can sense blood relatives, but if they
couldn't even sense a sith lord as one of their closest companions,
what hope do they have of sensing unknown family?

Luke never guessed that she was his sister. I'm sure that his
admission was a bit more of &quot;she's the only girl I know&quot;.

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#8: Re: Did Vader know Leia was his daughter in ESB?

Posted on 2006-07-07 03:22:43 by Solon

_Gavo Fett_ spoke thusly on 06/07/2006 6:23 PM:
&gt; Anthony wrote:
&gt;&gt; You think he would have sensed somthing though when he was tortusing her in
&gt;&gt; ANH
&gt;
&gt; Not that I really have much experience of torture, but usually you're
&gt; not trying to sense out family connections. I think that the main
&gt; thing would be to increase the fear factor etc.

They never tortured her anyway. She was &quot;mind-probed.&quot; ...Okay, I guess
that could be considered torture, but the intent wasn't to inflict pain. :-)

&gt; Besides, he could hardly read it in her mind since she didn't know.

How did either Vader of the Emperor come to the conclusion that Luke was
the &quot;offspring of Anakin Skywalker&quot;?

&gt; Luke never guessed that she was his sister. I'm sure that his
&gt; admission was a bit more of &quot;she's the only girl I know&quot;.

At no point, did anyone tell him, &quot;It's someone you know.&quot;
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#9: Re: Did Vader know Leia was his daughter in ESB?

Posted on 2006-07-07 08:51:18 by Gavo Fett

Solon wrote:
&gt; They never tortured her anyway. She was &quot;mind-probed.&quot; ...Okay, I guess
&gt; that could be considered torture, but the intent wasn't to inflict pain. :-)

I beg to differ... the novelisation specifically mentions torture
including drugs and needles as well as the creation of torture in her
mind.

&gt; How did either Vader of the Emperor come to the conclusion that Luke was
&gt; the &quot;offspring of Anakin Skywalker&quot;?

Probably not too many Skywalkers in the phone book.

&gt; &gt; Luke never guessed that she was his sister. I'm sure that his
&gt; &gt; admission was a bit more of &quot;she's the only girl I know&quot;.
&gt;
&gt; At no point, did anyone tell him, &quot;It's someone you know.&quot;

Assuming that Jedi can read minds a little and that they can read the
minds of ghosts? Perhaps Luke read some hint in Ben's mind - After all
Ben certainly knew.

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#10: Re: Did Vader know Leia was his daughter in ESB?

Posted on 2006-07-07 09:56:47 by Solon

_Gavo Fett_ spoke thusly on 07/07/2006 2:51 AM:
&gt; Solon wrote:
&gt;&gt; They never tortured her anyway. She was &quot;mind-probed.&quot; ...Okay, I guess
&gt;&gt; that could be considered torture, but the intent wasn't to inflict pain. :-)
&gt;
&gt; I beg to differ... the novelisation specifically mentions torture
&gt; including drugs and needles as well as the creation of torture in her
&gt; mind.

Okay, I haven't read the books; so I'll take your word for it.

&gt;&gt; How did either Vader of the Emperor come to the conclusion that Luke was
&gt;&gt; the &quot;offspring of Anakin Skywalker&quot;?
&gt;
&gt; Probably not too many Skywalkers in the phone book.

If it was as simple as looking in the &quot;phone book&quot;, why didn't Vader
know before ESB?

&gt;&gt;&gt; Luke never guessed that she was his sister. I'm sure that his
&gt;&gt;&gt; admission was a bit more of &quot;she's the only girl I know&quot;.
&gt;&gt; At no point, did anyone tell him, &quot;It's someone you know.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; Assuming that Jedi can read minds a little and that they can read the
&gt; minds of ghosts? Perhaps Luke read some hint in Ben's mind - After all
&gt; Ben certainly knew.

Well, it certainly wasn't a case of &quot;she's the only girl I know.&quot; :-)
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#11: Re: Did Vader know Leia was his daughter in ESB?

Posted on 2006-07-07 14:45:13 by John Duncan Yoyo

On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 03:56:47 -0400, Solon &lt;<a href="mailto:usenetsolon&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">usenetsolon&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:

&gt;_Gavo Fett_ spoke thusly on 07/07/2006 2:51 AM:
&gt;&gt; Solon wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt; They never tortured her anyway. She was &quot;mind-probed.&quot; ...Okay, I guess
&gt;&gt;&gt; that could be considered torture, but the intent wasn't to inflict pain. :-)
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I beg to differ... the novelisation specifically mentions torture
&gt;&gt; including drugs and needles as well as the creation of torture in her
&gt;&gt; mind.
&gt;
&gt;Okay, I haven't read the books; so I'll take your word for it.
&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt; How did either Vader of the Emperor come to the conclusion that Luke was
&gt;&gt;&gt; the &quot;offspring of Anakin Skywalker&quot;?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Probably not too many Skywalkers in the phone book.
&gt;
&gt;If it was as simple as looking in the &quot;phone book&quot;, why didn't Vader
&gt;know before ESB?

Because the phone was in Aunt Beru's name.
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#12: Re: Did Vader know Leia was his daughter in ESB?

Posted on 2006-07-07 19:31:47 by Solon

_John Duncan Yoyo_ spoke thusly on 07/07/2006 8:45 AM:
&gt; On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 03:56:47 -0400, Solon &lt;<a href="mailto:usenetsolon&#64;gmail.com" target="_blank">usenetsolon&#64;gmail.com</a>&gt;
&gt; wrote:
&gt;
&gt;&gt; _Gavo Fett_ spoke thusly on 07/07/2006 2:51 AM:
&gt;&gt;&gt; Solon wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; They never tortured her anyway. She was &quot;mind-probed.&quot; ...Okay, I guess
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that could be considered torture, but the intent wasn't to inflict pain. :-)
&gt;&gt;&gt; I beg to differ... the novelisation specifically mentions torture
&gt;&gt;&gt; including drugs and needles as well as the creation of torture in her
&gt;&gt;&gt; mind.
&gt;&gt; Okay, I haven't read the books; so I'll take your word for it.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; How did either Vader of the Emperor come to the conclusion that Luke was
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the &quot;offspring of Anakin Skywalker&quot;?
&gt;&gt;&gt; Probably not too many Skywalkers in the phone book.
&gt;&gt; If it was as simple as looking in the &quot;phone book&quot;, why didn't Vader
&gt;&gt; know before ESB?
&gt;
&gt; Because the phone was in Aunt Beru's name.

If Vader and the Emperor did come to the conclusion that Luke was the
offspring of Anakin Skywalker, as a result of seeing Luke's name in &quot;the
phone book&quot;, when and why was Luke's name in it?
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#13: Re: Did Vader know Leia was his daughter in ESB?

Posted on 2006-07-12 15:42:52 by jjbinks

Actually, Vader stops Boba from shooting Chewie. Leia is surprised by
the move. It's a weird little moment.

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#14: Re: Did Vader know Leia was his daughter in ESB?

Posted on 2006-07-15 23:38:38 by Goedel

Gavo Fett wrote:
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;From memory, somewhere in the original novelizations of the first 3
&gt; movies (I think in James Khan's Return of the Jedi), there's discussion
&gt; of Leia's resistance to the mind probe. It talks, from Leia's point of
&gt; view about her use of the force.
&gt;
&gt; (It also talks about her use of the force while killing Jabba).
&gt;
&gt; I presume that if she was &quot;using&quot; the force, while in the presence of
&gt; Vader, that he would decide that she has force potential (ie:
&gt; midi-chlorians again).
&gt;
&gt; I doubt that he'd necessarily decide that she was &quot;family&quot;,
&gt; particularly not in ANH, but he may have felt that she was a descendant
&gt; of some other jedi. He was obviously not interested in recruitment and
&gt; training.
&gt;

If Leia used the force to resist the mind aboard the Death Star,
there is no way Vader would not have sensed it, which goes back to the
recurrent discussion on this ng: why can't Vader sense Leia's skills
considering that the two seem to frequently close to each other ?

&gt; There's no evidence to suggest that he knew that they were twins
&gt; (although it's unusual that he wouldn't have detected the unborn babies
&gt; - or that Padme didn't have an ultrasound). When he found out about
&gt; Luke, assuming that he didnt know that there were TWO babies, he would
&gt; have decided that the one with his surname was his descendant and
&gt; forgotten about Leia. (written her off as just another force user).
&gt;
&gt; That's my theory anyway.

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#15: Re: Did Vader know Leia was his daughter in ESB?

Posted on 2006-07-16 08:43:37 by Solon

_Marcelo Bruno_ spoke thusly on 15/07/2006 5:38 PM:
&gt; Gavo Fett wrote:
&gt;&gt; &gt;From memory, somewhere in the original novelizations of the first 3
&gt;&gt; movies (I think in James Khan's Return of the Jedi), there's discussion
&gt;&gt; of Leia's resistance to the mind probe. It talks, from Leia's point of
&gt;&gt; view about her use of the force.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; (It also talks about her use of the force while killing Jabba).
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I presume that if she was &quot;using&quot; the force, while in the presence of
&gt;&gt; Vader, that he would decide that she has force potential (ie:
&gt;&gt; midi-chlorians again).
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I doubt that he'd necessarily decide that she was &quot;family&quot;,
&gt;&gt; particularly not in ANH, but he may have felt that she was a descendant
&gt;&gt; of some other jedi. He was obviously not interested in recruitment and
&gt;&gt; training.
&gt;
&gt; If Leia used the force to resist the mind aboard the Death Star,
&gt; there is no way Vader would not have sensed it, which goes back to the
&gt; recurrent discussion on this ng: why can't Vader sense Leia's skills
&gt; considering that the two seem to frequently close to each other ?

Looking at the post you were replying to, it seems Gavo didn't suggest
that Vader could not sense whether or not Leia could use the force.
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#16: Re: Did Vader know Leia was his daughter in ESB?

Posted on 2006-07-17 01:31:35 by Gavo Fett

&gt;
&gt; Looking at the post you were replying to, it seems Gavo didn't suggest
&gt; that Vader could not sense whether or not Leia could use the force.

Can a Jedi/Sith detect a force user?

Yes and No.

Jedi/Sith can detect disturbances in the force resulting from &quot;the use
of the force&quot;.
(Use doesn't necessarily imply training - eg: Anakin was using the
force during podracing).

I think that there were Jedi &quot;locators&quot; who were more adept at this
than others.

Jedi/Sith can &quot;hide&quot; their Force Potential (Palpatine).

Most Jedi/Sith are not &quot;mind-readers&quot; or biological instruments. They
can't necessarily read someone's mind, though they can influence many.
There's no evidence to suggest that they can see &quot;genetic connections&quot;.


Perhaps Anakin could sense that Leia had untrained force ability, but
she was too old to be trained anyway (and he didn't need any more force
users). He didn't know about Padme's children and when he found out,
he knew only of one. Since he knew which child it was (Luke) and
didn't suspect twins - why would he look further - even if he had the
ability to?

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#17: Re: Did Vader know Leia was his daughter in ESB?

Posted on 2006-07-19 20:47:21 by cm_anon76

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&gt; Actually, Vader stops Boba from shooting Chewie. Leia is surprised by
&gt; the move. It's a weird little moment.

I believe that Vader read Luke's mind just before Vader mentioned Luke's
'sister'. Just after that point, Luke lost control. I think it's safe to
assume that Luke was not completely focused before he lost control. But what
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#18: Re: Did Vader know Leia was his daughter in ESB?

Posted on 2006-07-20 00:58:09 by Gavo Fett

Spot on....

Darth Vader: You cannot hide forever, Luke.
Luke: I will not fight you.

[So what was Luke thinking now.... (he's hiding)... thinking &quot;I can't
do it&quot; but who will if I don't - my Sister?? (Thanks to Ben, he's now
thinking about her)]


Darth Vader: Give yourself to the Dark Side. It is the only way you can
save your friends. Yes, your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for
them are strong. Especially for... sister. So, you have a twin sister.
Your feelings have now betrayed her, too. Obi-Wan was wise to hide her
from me. Now his failure is complete. If you will not turn to the Dark
Side... then perhaps she will...
Luke: [igniting lightsabre]
[shouts, interrupting]
Luke: Never!

[I think it's really obvious, from the pause ... that Vader is reading
Luke's mind trying to find where he's hiding and what his next move
will be. But what is uppermost in Luke's mind at the time ... his
sister]


Christopher M. wrote:
&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:jjbinks&#64;my-deja.com" target="_blank">jjbinks&#64;my-deja.com</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:1152711772.617787.255250&#64;75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com..." target="_blank">1152711772.617787.255250&#64;75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...</a>
&gt; &gt; Actually, Vader stops Boba from shooting Chewie. Leia is surprised by
&gt; &gt; the move. It's a weird little moment.
&gt;
&gt; I believe that Vader read Luke's mind just before Vader mentioned Luke's
&gt; 'sister'. Just after that point, Luke lost control. I think it's safe to
&gt; assume that Luke was not completely focused before he lost control. But what
&gt; to I know. I spend most of my time eating hunny. I love hunny!
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)

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