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#1: [NEWS] - The Truth About Star Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-26 16:03:15 by unknown

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#2: Re: [NEWS] - The Truth About Star Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-26 18:58:28 by Kweeg

&quot;Stan Jensen&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:spam&#64;wonderful.spam" target="_blank">spam&#64;wonderful.spam</a>&gt; wrote in message
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&gt; From Empire Online...
&gt;
&gt; It Won't Be Kirk And Spock
&gt; Exclusive: The Truth About Star Trek XI
&gt;
&gt; Fans around the world whooped for joy last week at news that the Star
&gt; Trek franchise was being resuscitated with M:I:3 director JJ Abrams at
&gt; the helm. News that it would adopt the long-mooted concept of Kirk and
&gt; Spock's youthful adventures at Starfleet Academy provoked a more mixed
&gt; reaction. Those who thought such a move sacrilege can rest easy though
&gt; because, as Empire discovered in an interview today with Abrams
&gt; himself, the story is nothing of the sort.
&gt;
&gt; &quot;The whole thing was reported entirely without our cooperation,&quot; says
&gt; the director with a hint of regret. &quot;People learned that I was
&gt; producing a Star Trek film, that I had an option to direct it, they
&gt; hear rumours of what the thing was going to be and ran with a story
&gt; that is not entirely accurate.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; But the million dollar question is, what will it be about?
&gt; Unsurprisingly, Abrams isn't saying (&quot;We've made a pact not to discuss
&gt; any specifics&quot;) but the Lost creator is a confirmed Original Series
&gt; fan so don't be surprised if his take on the series does indeed take
&gt; place around the era of Kirk and co, or if some of the established
&gt; characters do make a reappearance. &quot;Those characters are so
&gt; spectacular. I just think that. you know, they could live again.&quot;

As I'm looking for signs of intelligence from the Hollywood types when it
comes to ST I know this is probably way off the mark, but maybe someone at
Paramount has actually noticed the popularity of such TOS fan productions
like New Voyages or Starship Exeter and finally figured out that, in fact
they have that original TOS feeling in them missing in later productions.
Perhaps they've finally figured out that they *can* make money catering to
the fans and that they want *good ST* and not some silly more winky-blinks
and space battle shite (like Nemesis). A TOS type movie (or show) if done
properly (ie a good ST story, script and casting) would work as it would
have the nostalgia factor for some fans and a kitschy retro feel to others.
Keep the fans happy and the rest will probably follow them to the theatres.

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#3: Re: [NEWS] - The Truth About Star Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-26 20:58:47 by Jaxtraw

Kweeg wrote:
&gt; &quot;Stan Jensen&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:spam&#64;wonderful.spam" target="_blank">spam&#64;wonderful.spam</a>&gt; wrote in message
&gt; news:<a href="mailto:havu42tqgg0r4g1r9dg116esom6t7afink&#64;4ax.com..." target="_blank">havu42tqgg0r4g1r9dg116esom6t7afink&#64;4ax.com...</a>
&gt;&gt; From Empire Online...
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; It Won't Be Kirk And Spock
&gt;&gt; Exclusive: The Truth About Star Trek XI
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Fans around the world whooped for joy last week at news that the Star
&gt;&gt; Trek franchise was being resuscitated with M:I:3 director JJ Abrams
&gt;&gt; at the helm. News that it would adopt the long-mooted concept of
&gt;&gt; Kirk and Spock's youthful adventures at Starfleet Academy provoked a
&gt;&gt; more mixed reaction. Those who thought such a move sacrilege can
&gt;&gt; rest easy though because, as Empire discovered in an interview today
&gt;&gt; with Abrams himself, the story is nothing of the sort.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; &quot;The whole thing was reported entirely without our cooperation,&quot; says
&gt;&gt; the director with a hint of regret. &quot;People learned that I was
&gt;&gt; producing a Star Trek film, that I had an option to direct it, they
&gt;&gt; hear rumours of what the thing was going to be and ran with a story
&gt;&gt; that is not entirely accurate.&quot;
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; But the million dollar question is, what will it be about?
&gt;&gt; Unsurprisingly, Abrams isn't saying (&quot;We've made a pact not to
&gt;&gt; discuss any specifics&quot;) but the Lost creator is a confirmed Original
&gt;&gt; Series fan so don't be surprised if his take on the series does
&gt;&gt; indeed take place around the era of Kirk and co, or if some of the
&gt;&gt; established characters do make a reappearance. &quot;Those characters are
&gt;&gt; so spectacular. I just think that. you know, they could live again.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; As I'm looking for signs of intelligence from the Hollywood types
&gt; when it comes to ST I know this is probably way off the mark, but
&gt; maybe someone at Paramount has actually noticed the popularity of
&gt; such TOS fan productions like New Voyages or Starship Exeter and
&gt; finally figured out that, in fact they have that original TOS feeling
&gt; in them missing in later productions. Perhaps they've finally figured
&gt; out that they *can* make money catering to the fans and that they
&gt; want *good ST* and not some silly more winky-blinks and space battle
&gt; shite (like Nemesis).

Personally I've nothing against space battles a la Nemesis. In fact, I
rather applaud that they attempted for once to do a really good one in Trek.
Unfortunately it wasn't a really good space battle. I've said this before on
this ng; nobody in Trek seems to be able to choreograph space engagements.
It's like they can't really figure out what tactics these massive starships
will use.

It had it's moments. The ramming sequence was a nice idea and nicely
executed. Unfortunately, like the rest of the script it makes Picard look
like a fuckwit, since he seems to have given no thought to what to do
*after* he's crashed the Enterprise into Shinzon's death star.

The whole script is just full of embarrassments like that. With his ship,
his crew and the planet Earth at stake, he decides to beam over alone and
sort it out mano-a-mano for personal reasons. Then he survives at the
expense of a senior officer, having frozen when the only thing he should be
doing is shutting down the Death Ray thing. The man shows the tactical skill
of a cabbage. Then to cap it all, he loses the last credibility the
character ever has after the battle when, with his ship wrecked and no doubt
awash with casualties, and his Romulan allies in similar dire straits, he
stumps off to his ready room to deal with his issues, like a prick.

And that ignores the whole central failing of Nemesis; a misguided attempt
to create a Khan, which fails on every level.

IMO, Nemesis doesn't fail because it attempts to be spectacular (it does on
some level succeed there). It fails due to a wishy-washy villain, a poor
script, and characterisation that blows chunks clear across the room. It
certainly left me wanting never to see Picard again.

Ian

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#4: Re: [NEWS] - The Truth About Star Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-26 21:10:55 by unknown

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:58:47 +0100, Jaxtraw wrote:

&gt; Personally I've nothing against space battles a la Nemesis. In fact, I
&gt; rather applaud that they attempted for once to do a really good one in Trek.

I thought it (Nemesis space battle) turned out pretty well, but the
problem was that we have already seen the Enterprise get demolished in
a movie.

ST:II: seriously banged up; almost destroyed.
ST:III: Completely destroyed.
ST:VII: Ent. B gouged pretty feircly.
ST:VII: Ent. D crash-landed; basically destroyed.

So by the time Picard decided to ram Shinzon, we'd already &quot;been
there, done that.&quot; Yawn.

&gt; It had it's moments. The ramming sequence was a nice idea and nicely
&gt; executed. Unfortunately, like the rest of the script it makes Picard look
&gt; like a fuckwit, since he seems to have given no thought to what to do
&gt; *after* he's crashed the Enterprise into Shinzon's death star.

Actually, that isn't hard to take. His goal, all else be damned, was
to stop Shinzon from wiping out Earth.

What I couldn't swallow was what you already described... turning
Picard into a total and complete loser. We know Picard well enough
that looking death in the face would not turn him into a vegetable,
and yet a vegetable is precisely what Data saved at the end of the
sequence.

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#5: Re: [NEWS] - The Truth About Star Trek XI

Posted on 2006-04-27 16:49:34 by George Peatty

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:03:15 -0400, Stan Jensen &lt;<a href="mailto:spam&#64;wonderful.spam" target="_blank">spam&#64;wonderful.spam</a>&gt; wrote:

&gt;the story is nothing of the sort.

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#6: Re: [NEWS] - The Truth About Star Trek XI

Posted on 2006-07-20 22:00:10 by Pin Geek

not good. not good at all.
Who would play them?

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&gt; From Empire Online...
&gt;
&gt; It Won't Be Kirk And Spock
&gt; Exclusive: The Truth About Star Trek XI
&gt;
&gt; Fans around the world whooped for joy last week at news that the Star
&gt; Trek franchise was being resuscitated with M:I:3 director JJ Abrams at
&gt; the helm. News that it would adopt the long-mooted concept of Kirk and
&gt; Spock's youthful adventures at Starfleet Academy provoked a more mixed
&gt; reaction. Those who thought such a move sacrilege can rest easy though
&gt; because, as Empire discovered in an interview today with Abrams
&gt; himself, the story is nothing of the sort.
&gt;
&gt; &quot;The whole thing was reported entirely without our cooperation,&quot; says
&gt; the director with a hint of regret. &quot;People learned that I was
&gt; producing a Star Trek film, that I had an option to direct it, they
&gt; hear rumours of what the thing was going to be and ran with a story
&gt; that is not entirely accurate.&quot;
&gt;
&gt; But the million dollar question is, what will it be about?
&gt; Unsurprisingly, Abrams isn't saying (&quot;We've made a pact not to discuss
&gt; any specifics&quot;) but the Lost creator is a confirmed Original Series
&gt; fan so don't be surprised if his take on the series does indeed take
&gt; place around the era of Kirk and co, or if some of the established
&gt; characters do make a reappearance. &quot;Those characters are so
&gt; spectacular. I just think that. you know, they could live again.&quot;

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