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#1: Really old question: why did Scabber bite Crabbe (or Goyle)?

Posted on 2005-08-17 08:18:39 by chimaera

Okay, this question stretches way back to book one, I think. When
Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle enter the train car where Harry and his
friends are sitting and grab at their food, Scabbers attacks and bites
one of them. At the time, it just makes Scabbers seem like a good,
loyal pet. But later we learn that Scabbers is really the cowardly
turncoat Peter Pettigrew. So what would have led him to attack someone
in Ron's defense? It seemed like Ron was pretty satisfied with him as
a "useless" pet, so playing the part of defending his owner just didn't
seem necessary.

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#2: Re: Really old question: why did Scabber bite Crabbe (or Goyle)?

Posted on 2005-08-17 08:44:37 by Kish

chimaera wrote:
> Okay, this question stretches way back to book one, I think. When
> Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle enter the train car where Harry and his
> friends are sitting and grab at their food, Scabbers attacks and bites
> one of them. At the time, it just makes Scabbers seem like a good,
> loyal pet. But later we learn that Scabbers is really the cowardly
> turncoat Peter Pettigrew. So what would have led him to attack someone
> in Ron's defense? It seemed like Ron was pretty satisfied with him as
> a "useless" pet, so playing the part of defending his owner just didn't
> seem necessary.

He made a big point, in PoA, of having been a good pet to Ron. Sirius
told him that if he made a better rat than a man it's not much to boast
of. In a way, perhaps a pet rat was always what Peter wanted to be. He
didn't want to have to make hard moral decisions that involved threats
to his life; he was perfectly content to play the role of good pet for
the other three Marauders in school. Unfortunately for Peter, his new
owner (Voldemort) is a bad boy and mistreats his pets. (And hangs other
people's, so even if he'd gone permanently rat, Peter might not have
been safe--biting Voldemort's finger for Ron might well have been the
last thing Scabbers ever did.)

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#3: Re: Really old question: why did Scabber bite Crabbe (or Goyle)?

Posted on 2005-08-17 09:37:36 by BubblyBabs

In the previous message chimaera <a href="mailto:auror2020&#64;yahoo.com" target="_blank">auror2020&#64;yahoo.com</a> wrote:

&gt; Okay, this question stretches way back to book one, I think. When
&gt; Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle enter the train car where Harry and his
&gt; friends are sitting and grab at their food, Scabbers attacks and bites
&gt; one of them. At the time, it just makes Scabbers seem like a good,
&gt; loyal pet. But later we learn that Scabbers is really the cowardly
&gt; turncoat Peter Pettigrew. So what would have led him to attack
&gt; someone in Ron's defense? It seemed like Ron was pretty satisfied
&gt; with him as a &quot;useless&quot; pet, so playing the part of defending his
&gt; owner just didn't seem necessary.

I often wonder... The one prophesy by Trelawney states that Pettigrew was
&quot;chained&quot;... I wonder if Peter was turned into a rat by Goyle (the father)
[it was Goyle, wasn't it? I'll have to grab my book and see, I can't
remember right now] with a spell that did not allow Peter to change back
until someone else did it for him... Perhaps his bite was one of misplaced
anger (such as Snape has with Harry)

Babs

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#4: Re: Really old question: why did Scabber bite Crabbe (or Goyle)?

Posted on 2005-08-17 14:11:59 by Patricia

Kish wrote:
&gt; chimaera wrote:
&gt; &gt; Okay, this question stretches way back to book one, I think. When
&gt; &gt; Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle enter the train car where Harry and his
&gt; &gt; friends are sitting and grab at their food, Scabbers attacks and bites
&gt; &gt; one of them. At the time, it just makes Scabbers seem like a good,
&gt; &gt; loyal pet. But later we learn that Scabbers is really the cowardly
&gt; &gt; turncoat Peter Pettigrew. So what would have led him to attack someone
&gt; &gt; in Ron's defense? It seemed like Ron was pretty satisfied with him as
&gt; &gt; a &quot;useless&quot; pet, so playing the part of defending his owner just didn't
&gt; &gt; seem necessary.
&gt;
&gt; He made a big point, in PoA, of having been a good pet to Ron. Sirius
&gt; told him that if he made a better rat than a man it's not much to boast
&gt; of. In a way, perhaps a pet rat was always what Peter wanted to be. He
&gt; didn't want to have to make hard moral decisions that involved threats
&gt; to his life; he was perfectly content to play the role of good pet for
&gt; the other three Marauders in school. Unfortunately for Peter, his new
&gt; owner (Voldemort) is a bad boy and mistreats his pets. (And hangs other
&gt; people's, so even if he'd gone permanently rat, Peter might not have
&gt; been safe--biting Voldemort's finger for Ron might well have been the
&gt; last thing Scabbers ever did.)

Yes, what he (or she) said. He did what any good and loyal pet would
do. I think trying to invent repressed anger or anything like that
gets silly.

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#5: Re: Really old question: why did Scabber bite Crabbe (or Goyle)?

Posted on 2005-08-18 00:19:38 by Ken

chimaera wrote:
&gt; Okay, this question stretches way back to book one, I think. When
&gt; Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle enter the train car where Harry and his
&gt; friends are sitting and grab at their food, Scabbers attacks and bites
&gt; one of them. At the time, it just makes Scabbers seem like a good,
&gt; loyal pet. But later we learn that Scabbers is really the cowardly
&gt; turncoat Peter Pettigrew. So what would have led him to attack
&gt; someone in Ron's defense? It seemed like Ron was pretty satisfied
&gt; with him as a &quot;useless&quot; pet, so playing the part of defending his
&gt; owner just didn't seem necessary.

The death eaters who went to prison weren't happy with those who were free.
While Pettigrew didn't go to prison he wasn't exactly free. Also knowing
Crabbe and Goyle bullying... I wouldn't be surprised if their parents
bullied Pettigrew [a bully magnet]. I doubt if there was any love for
Crabbe, Goyle or even the dark lord from Pettigrew.

Ken

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#6: Re: Really old question: why did Scabber bite Crabbe (or Goyle)?

Posted on 2005-08-18 00:21:29 by Weird Beard

If some thug several times your size was reaching for you, what would you
do?

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