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ex-Pope [message #9694] Sa, 02 April 2005 22:27
Dav  
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4399715.stm

Time for the cardinals to play with smoke.
--
"Interviewing Avril Lavigne is like being hit over the head
with a shovel - an unpleasant experience, which leaves you
feeling dazed and hoping it never happens again."

-- Belfast Telegraph


np: Jello Biafra & D.O.A - Power Is Boring
Re: ex-Pope [message #9697 ] Sa, 02 April 2005 23:32
Andrew  
Dav wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4399715.stm
>
> Time for the cardinals to play with smoke.

I'm not a fan of the catholic church but was he a good pope or a bad and
wicked pope. I've never really understood how they can say one man is the
voice of god on earth and is completely infalible.

--
Andrew [at] Rockface
www.rockface-records.co.uk
Re: ex-Pope [message #9698 ] Sa, 02 April 2005 23:35
Grat-a-tat-tat  
Dav wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4399715.stm
>
> Time for the cardinals to play with smoke.



damn..

you beat me by 5 minutes to be the first to post this...



http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/04/02/pope.dies/index.h tml
Re: ex-Pope [message #9699 ] So, 03 April 2005 00:11
MRL  
In a previous article, Dav <davthepunk [at] hotmale.com> wrote:
->http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4399715.stm
->
->Time for the cardinals to play with smoke.

I guess he heard that the Star Wars movie was going to involve going to hell,
so he lost interest in staying alive just to see that. Besides which, who
goes to a movie that you KNOW will have a bad ending?
Re: ex-Pope [message #9700 ] So, 03 April 2005 00:31
Inigo Montoya  
In message <d2n31m$6hu$1 [at] hercules.btinternet.com>, "Andrew [at] Rockface"
<andrew [at] rockface-records.co.uk> writes
>Dav wrote:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4399715.stm
>>
>> Time for the cardinals to play with smoke.
>
>I'm not a fan of the catholic church but was he a good pope or a bad and
>wicked pope. I've never really understood how they can say one man is the
>voice of god on earth and is completely infalible.
>

He's not dead, he's just sleeping.

Jimbo
--
'Living above an offy. What could be better?'
'Living in one?'
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Re: ex-Pope [message #9703 ] So, 03 April 2005 00:40
Dav  
On 2 APR 2005 22:11:27 GMT, MRL [at] PSFC.MIT.EDU wrote:

>In a previous article, Dav <davthepunk [at] hotmale.com> wrote:
>->http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4399715.stm
>->
>->Time for the cardinals to play with smoke.
>
>I guess he heard that the Star Wars movie was going to involve going to hell,
>so he lost interest in staying alive just to see that. Besides which, who
>goes to a movie that you KNOW will have a bad ending?

Guess that there was no reason left to live after he read that Amidala
dies...
--
"Interviewing Avril Lavigne is like being hit over the head
with a shovel - an unpleasant experience, which leaves you
feeling dazed and hoping it never happens again."

-- Belfast Telegraph


np: Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart
Re: ex-Pope [message #9704 ] So, 03 April 2005 00:45
Dav  
On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 21:32:38 +0000 (UTC), "Andrew [at] Rockface"
<andrew [at] rockface-records.co.uk> wrote:

>I'm not a fan of the catholic church but was he a good pope or a bad and
>wicked pope. I've never really understood how they can say one man is the
>voice of god on earth and is completely infalible.

Because according to the Church, we are as swine to goD. Who are we as
mere dirty punks to question His will? :)

Anyway, I guess that He was not in the mood for listening to the
prayers of the Faithful this evening. Or maybe He was just really
pissed off with JP?
--
"Interviewing Avril Lavigne is like being hit over the head
with a shovel - an unpleasant experience, which leaves you
feeling dazed and hoping it never happens again."

-- Belfast Telegraph


np: Joy Division - No Love Lost
Re: ex-Pope [message #9708 ] So, 03 April 2005 01:47
Andrew  
Inigo Montoya wrote:
> In message <d2n31m$6hu$1 [at] hercules.btinternet.com>, "Andrew [at] Rockface"
> <andrew [at] rockface-records.co.uk> writes
>> Dav wrote:
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4399715.stm
>>>
>>> Time for the cardinals to play with smoke.
>>
>> I'm not a fan of the catholic church but was he a good pope or a bad
>> and wicked pope. I've never really understood how they can say one
>> man is the voice of god on earth and is completely infalible.
>>
>
> He's not dead, he's just sleeping.
>
> Jimbo

Hey Jimbo, I can see your post!
He's just pining for the unrepentant sinners.

--
Andrew [at] Rockface
www.rockface-records.co.uk
Re: ex-Pope [message #9786 ] Di, 05 April 2005 21:38
Pan paniscus  
He was mostly bad. All that talk about concern for the poor went out
the window when it came to El Salvador, didn't it. Oh, he also said
that if a guy has HIV, and his wife does not, they STILL shouldn't use
condoms. In other words, the least inappropriate form of sexual
release for a husband who has AIDS is to ejaculate into his wife's
vagina. There's no prettying it up. That was his position.
The only woman whom he respected had been dead for nearly 2000 years.
All those "flacid penis men" in the Vatican could use a good lay.

--Bryan
Re: ex-Pope [message #9789 ] Di, 05 April 2005 22:10
Dav  
On 5 Apr 2005 12:38:59 -0700, "Pan paniscus" <CLASSACT [at] BRICK.NET>
wrote:

>He was mostly bad. All that talk about concern for the poor went out
>the window when it came to El Salvador, didn't it. Oh, he also said
>that if a guy has HIV, and his wife does not, they STILL shouldn't use
>condoms. In other words, the least inappropriate form of sexual
>release for a husband who has AIDS is to ejaculate into his wife's
>vagina. There's no prettying it up. That was his position.

Even more inappropriate than cumming in her ass?

>The only woman whom he respected had been dead for nearly 2000 years.

Mother Theresa?

>All those "flacid penis men" in the Vatican could use a good lay.

That's what the altarboys are there for. You thought they just lit
candles?
--
"Interviewing Avril Lavigne is like being hit over the head with a shovel - an unpleasant experience, which leaves you feeling dazed and hoping it never happens again." - Belfast Telegraph

np: nothing
Re: ex-Pope [message #9790 ] Di, 05 April 2005 23:39
Andrew  
Pan paniscus wrote:
> He was mostly bad. All that talk about concern for the poor went out
> the window when it came to El Salvador, didn't it. Oh, he also said
> that if a guy has HIV, and his wife does not, they STILL shouldn't use
> condoms. In other words, the least inappropriate form of sexual
> release for a husband who has AIDS is to ejaculate into his wife's
> vagina. There's no prettying it up. That was his position.
> The only woman whom he respected had been dead for nearly 2000 years.
> All those "flacid penis men" in the Vatican could use a good lay.

I thought I remembered something about the whole AIDS / condoms thing -
nasty.

> --Bryan

--
Andrew [at] Rockface
www.rockface-records.co.uk
Re: ex-Pope [message #9799 ] Mi, 06 April 2005 17:14
navykurt  
actually the doctrine of papal infallibilty came along in the 1800's to
try and prevent anymore avingon type papacies and other problem up to
that point. however the church had become better able to cope with
corruption by that time. you weren't going to have any more borgia
popes running around. with the invention of telegraph, the nation
state, increased personal liberties (i.e. the abolition of serfdom) and
the protestant reformation the days of popes keeping stables of hot
chicks, and running the church like a personal feifdom were long gone.
the church had no corperal enforcement system either. the days when the
pope could have you executed ended with the rise of the modern nation
states.
Re: ex-Pope [message #9800 ] Mi, 06 April 2005 17:15
navykurt  
"if he's sleeping i'll just wake him up" HELLO POPE WAKE UP!"
Re: ex-Pope [message #9801 ] Mi, 06 April 2005 17:20
navykurt  
Because according to the Church, we are as swine to goD. Who are we as
mere dirty punks to question His will? :)


you're confusing calvinism with catholicism.
Re: ex-Pope [message #9802 ] Mi, 06 April 2005 17:23
Dav  
On 6 Apr 2005 08:20:25 -0700, navykurt [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>Because according to the Church, we are as swine to goD. Who are we as
>mere dirty punks to question His will? :)
>
>
>you're confusing calvinism with catholicism.

Everything I know about religion, I learned from comic books and TV.
--
"Interviewing Avril Lavigne is like being hit over the head
with a shovel - an unpleasant experience, which leaves you
feeling dazed and hoping it never happens again."

-- Belfast Telegraph


np: Sid Vicious - Tight Pants
Re: ex-Pope [message #9803 ] Mi, 06 April 2005 17:30
navykurt  
the pope understood that el salvador was turning communist. while the
cubans tried and failed to stamp out religious freedom in cuba they did
do alot to curb it. freedom of religon is a fundamental human right.

what's more...if the man had aids chances are that he contracted it
through some illicit activities. if he was truly contrite he wouldn't
be interested in spreading it to his wife. the wife does in fact have
the right to refuse sex to her husband and seek an anullment with in
the church.

there's no prettying up needed. you've uglied it up. you just took the
worse possible interpretation of the facts possible. maybe i'm wrong
but you seem to think us catholics are a bunch of sexually repressed
monsters. nothing could be further from the truth. he was simply being
realistic and consistent. never ever did the pope say you have to let
your husband infect you.

where do you get these fucked up ideas from?
Re: ex-Pope [message #9804 ] Mi, 06 April 2005 17:33
navykurt  
you proddies haven't ever scandalized your selves. i'll give you that.
i'm sure they'd air it on the big three networks if you had ;)
anti-catholicism and and christianity are the last two politically
acceptable bigotries.
Re: ex-Pope [message #9805 ] Mi, 06 April 2005 17:39
Dav  
On 6 Apr 2005 08:33:14 -0700, navykurt [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>you proddies haven't ever scandalized your selves. i'll give you that.
>i'm sure they'd air it on the big three networks if you had ;)
>anti-catholicism and and christianity are the last two politically
>acceptable bigotries.

I'm not a proddie - I'm just joshing you. As an atheist, I never pass
up on an opportunity to take the piss out of religion for kicks and
giggles... :)

"I'm not a former Catholic - I'm a recovering Catholic" - Avril
Lavigne
--
"Interviewing Avril Lavigne is like being hit over the head
with a shovel - an unpleasant experience, which leaves you
feeling dazed and hoping it never happens again."

-- Belfast Telegraph


np: The Clash - Hitsville UK
Re: ex-Pope [message #9807 ] Mi, 06 April 2005 19:21
Andrew  
navykurt [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> the pope understood that el salvador was turning communist. while the
> cubans tried and failed to stamp out religious freedom in cuba they
> did do alot to curb it. freedom of religon is a fundamental human
> right.
>
> what's more...if the man had aids chances are that he contracted it
> through some illicit activities. if he was truly contrite he wouldn't
> be interested in spreading it to his wife. the wife does in fact have
> the right to refuse sex to her husband and seek an anullment with in
> the church.

Here's athough Kurt. Maybe he got it from a blood transfusion, but even if
he did contract it through straight or gay sex, why should his wife suffer?

Do you really think a little bit of latex imperils the soul? Do you really
believe all children are born as sinners and if they die before a catholic
priest does his mumbo jumbo that the child should not be buried in
consecrated ground and is condemed to limbo (pretty sure it's limbo and not
hell)?

> there's no prettying up needed. you've uglied it up. you just took the
> worse possible interpretation of the facts possible. maybe i'm wrong
> but you seem to think us catholics are a bunch of sexually repressed
> monsters. nothing could be further from the truth. he was simply being
> realistic and consistent. never ever did the pope say you have to let
> your husband infect you.
>
> where do you get these fucked up ideas from?

And the catholic church has no fucked up ideas?

--
Andrew [at] Rockface
www.rockface-records.co.uk
Re: ex-Pope [message #9818 ] Do, 07 April 2005 09:17
Andrew  
In news:1112800525.515518.16410 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,
navykurt [at] yahoo.com <navykurt [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> "if he's sleeping i'll just wake him up" HELLO POPE WAKE UP!"

'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to
the throne 'e'd be pushing up the daisies!
'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig!
'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the
curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!

--
Andrew [at] Rockface
np: Bauhaus - Dark Entries [stopped]
www.rockface-records.co.uk
Re: ex-Pope [message #9819 ] Do, 07 April 2005 09:23
Andrew  
In news:1112800447.107507.173210 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com,
navykurt [at] yahoo.com <navykurt [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> actually the doctrine of papal infallibilty came along in the 1800's
> to try and prevent anymore avingon type papacies and other problem up
> to that point. however the church had become better able to cope with
> corruption by that time. you weren't going to have any more borgia
> popes running around. with the invention of telegraph, the nation
> state, increased personal liberties (i.e. the abolition of serfdom)
> and the protestant reformation the days of popes keeping stables of
> hot chicks, and running the church like a personal feifdom were long
> gone. the church had no corperal enforcement system either. the days
> when the pope could have you executed ended with the rise of the
> modern nation states.

The spanish inquisition officially ended in 1808, granted the church didn't
go around burning heritics during the later part of the period, but I've
always wondered why it took them so long to repeal (is that the right word?)
the bull (again,is that the right word?).

Interesting page:
http://www.bibletopics.com/biblestudy/64.htm

--
Andrew [at] Rockface
np: Bauhaus - Dark Entries [stopped]
www.rockface-records.co.uk
Re: ex-Pope [message #9822 ] Do, 07 April 2005 14:47
Cooter Cummings  
On 6 Apr 2005 08:33:14 -0700, navykurt [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>anti-catholicism and and christianity are the last two politically
>acceptable bigotries.

That's so true, Kurt. Christianity really is one of the last
politically acceptable bigotries.
Don't know much about anti-Catholicism, though. But I'm sure, as a
Catholic living in a country based on a protestant tradition, you've
experienced a lot of oppression by Christian bigots first hand. I
empathize with you and understand and share your hatred towards
protestant Christianity.

Ralf #2

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Re: ex-Pope [message #9823 ] Do, 07 April 2005 23:35
navykurt  
well.....i did make a proddy comment yesterday which was intended in
good humor but understandably taken wrong. anti-catholicism is alive
and i'm happy to report doing poorly, though it has seen a small
resurgance due, i beleive to the medias coverage of the sex scandals.
let's get this straight. the church deserved to get spanked for what
happened......well the the boston arch-diocese deserved to get spanked.
the church didn't condone it but it did commit a sin of ommision, so
far as i'm concerned. the exact nature of the sin lies in the fact that
it did not go after pedophile priest. but at the same time the media
was focused on the catholic church and it's sex scandals it virtually
ignored, several protestant sex scandals. while i don't think it was
the result of some w.a.s.p.ish plot to destroy us papist i do think
they were to fixated on running the roman catholic church into the
ground to go after the protestants. never split your forces if you can
help it.

if the church was sufficiently marginalized then perhaps they would
have gone after the protestants. but that's rather speculatory on my
part.

at the time of the scandal and the time leading up to it i noted the
appearence and quick disappearence of several grotesque cases. in
1991-ish there was the case of jeffery daumer. his apparent taste for
human flesh was played up for maximum rating but the fact that he was a
homosexual was treated as a side note. okay....well to be fair i've
been friends with a couple of gay people and they've never tried to
gnaw my arm off. why make gay people the target of more fear than they
already are. in 1999 or 2000-ish there was a case in arkansas of a gay
couple that kidnapped and repeatedly raped a 12 year old boy over the
course of several weeks. they then killed him. the storied aired once
that i saw and disappeared. several times now michael jackson has seen
the business end of the law
chomp down on his lilly white ass and his homosexuality has not been
made an issue.

before i'm accused of being a hater of homosexuals let me say this. i
know that most gays wouldn't harm a child. but don't you think their is
at least some link between pedophilia and homosexuality? after all
there isn't an orginization called the north american
man child love association. there is however one called the north
american man boy love association. they get little to no attention in
the media.

going after the gays would be politically incorrect, even if it's only
gay pedophiliac orginizations. but religon is fair game. and let's face
it......straight pedophile really don't get the bad publicity they
deserve until they murder some helpless little girl. many people out
there scream bloody murder when the government wants to know the ages
underage girls who receive abortions so they can pursue any applicable
statutory rape charges.

while thew church scandal was largely self-inflicted the mass media
found it to irresistable of a cudgel not to swing at people of
religious faith.

the media wasn't going to let you proddies off that easily. no. you had
to wait til election day for that. anyone who voted against kerry was a
"dumb redneck" or a "pissed off redneck" or a "dumb, pissed off
red-neck". while it is a stereotype i can confirm from personal
observation that most (not all but most) rednecks are white anglo-saxon
protestants. supporting the war makes you a neanderthal (a term often
applied to red necks and ta-dah! skinheads).

the point i'm trying to make is that it's okay to go after christains
in general and more specifically catholics. the media never goes after
radical muslims. of course the radical muslims are only pissed off at
us evil capitalists.

i might also point out that when bobo made his ridiculous statement
that the catholic church expected women to passively accepted infection
from diseased beaus noone but myself called bullshit.
Re: ex-Pope [message #9824 ] Do, 07 April 2005 23:51
navykurt  
hmmm...repeal....i'll buy that. it's as good a word as any. the church
didn't officially with draw heresy chrges against galileo until the
late 80's early 90's. but that didn't stop us from learing that the sun
is the center of the solar system and that the solar system was nowhere
near the center of the milkyway galaxy let alone the universe. i also
learned about evolution in a catholic school. i learned the creation
story in church. i learned that "creation" held essential truths but
was allegorical in religon class. i also learned that faith and
knoweledge cannot contridict one another in, of all places, religon
class. it was therefore, perfectly acceptable, even encouraged, for
catholics to beleive in evolution, so long as it was understood that
ultimately god was the architect of evolution. we believe in divine
revelation. in brief it means that we discover new things when god
chooses to reveal it to us in a way that we can understand. so, for
example, the theory relativeity was peened by einstein on the early
20th century not in the medievil period because man was incapable,
scientifically and socially of comprehending such a theory. remeber the
creation story? when it was written down people didn't know that blood
circulated through the body. they thought the heart not the brain was
the seat of human intelligence. so how the hell would they have
comprehended what darwin eventually wrote?

the creation story has a point that is valid to beleivers today as it
was 5000 years ago. the point of the story is that god created the
world. really you have to be a complete dope to take the bible
literally and a complete dope to dismiss it out of hand. the devil is
in the details.
Re: ex-Pope [message #9825 ] Fr, 08 April 2005 00:01
navykurt  
btw the church canonized st. elizabeth anne seton in the 1980's. mother
theresa has been elevated to the first step on her way to potential
sainthood. the pope while he was a bishop
in poland wrote a book about the acceptability and the permissability
of sex for pleasure within the confines of marriage. so that sort of
shoot's wholes in the idea that the pope only respected women who'd
been dead for 2000 years or that the vatican is populated by "flaccid
penis men".
Re: ex-Pope [message #9826 ] Fr, 08 April 2005 05:54
Pan paniscus  
navykurt [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
> before i'm accused of being a hater of homosexuals let me say this. i
> know that most gays wouldn't harm a child. but don't you think their
is
> at least some link between pedophilia and homosexuality? after all
> there isn't an orginization called the north american
> man child love association. there is however one called the north
> american man boy love association. they get little to no attention in
> the media.
>
I'm sure a lot of priests sent them anonymous contributions because
they shared one bit of knowledge that the rest of us will never know.
That is, how exactly does it feel to ejaculate in a young boy's rectum?
The whole kindred spirits thing.

You know, if I could go back, knowing what I know now, I'd pretend to
convert to Catholicism, and find me one of those funny priests. Now,
it's not that I'd enjoy the fondling and buggery, but I'd be setting
myself up for a life of leisure. After the "man of God" got his above
mentioned release I'd go home--leaving quickly before the priest's
desire to give me a thorough felching foiled my plot--and I'd fart out
a bit of the comingled semen and ass juice into a pair of underwear,
and I'd make sure they were very childlike underpants, perhaps with
Sesame Street characters on them (for the jury's benefit). Then I'd
carefully store them away until DNA forensic technology reached the
point that a conclusion would be reached by said jury that there was no
reasonable doubt but that the priest did indeed ejaculate into my young
rectum. I'd take the money from the settlement and invest it in
Microsoft, which I'd sell in 1999, and then I'd be on easy street and
I'd pay lots of hot women to do all kinds of nasty things with me, all
paid for by the contributions of good American Catholics like NavyKurt.

--Bryan
Re: ex-Pope [message #9833 ] Fr, 08 April 2005 13:12
navykurt  
you'd finally have the much coveted victimhood. unfortunately
alcoholism is self inflicted. can't sue yourself.
Re: ex-Pope [message #9839 ] Fr, 08 April 2005 16:49
outdoorminer_uk  
<navykurt [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1112958727.873543.292790 [at] l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> you'd finally have the much coveted victimhood. unfortunately
> alcoholism is self inflicted. can't sue yourself.
>

It's not self inflicted?
It just seems to happen to some and not others

miner.-
Re: ex-Pope [message #9851 ] Fr, 08 April 2005 22:02
Cooter Cummings  
On 7 Apr 2005 14:35:24 -0700, navykurt [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>well.....i did make a proddy comment yesterday which was intended in
>good humor but understandably taken wrong.

Jesus Christ, Kurt (to keep up the religious theme). It wasn't taken
wrong. I was just pulling your leg by exploiting a little mistake in
your post, which distorted the meaning of what you were actually
trying to say, for fun.

It's kinda amusing though, how this made you go off into some
long-winded, unrelated rambling.

>before i'm accused of being a hater of homosexuals let me say this. i
>know that most gays wouldn't harm a child. but don't you think their is
>at least some link between pedophilia and homosexuality? after all
>there isn't an orginization called the north american
>man child love association. there is however one called the north
>american man boy love association. they get little to no attention in
>the media.

Ok, ok, let's work inside your framework for a moment, not look at the
facts and assume, just for the sake of the argument, that there really
is some kind of biological link between male homosexuality and
pedophilia, which makes gay men more prone to it than heterosexual men
in a statistically significant manner.
So my question in this case: What are you trying to say, Kurt? What
are you getting at?

>going after the gays would be politically incorrect, even if it's only
>gay pedophiliac orginizations. but religon is fair game.

>while thew church scandal was largely self-inflicted the mass media
>found it to irresistable of a cudgel not to swing at people of
>religious faith.

>the point i'm trying to make is that it's okay to go after christains
>in general and more specifically catholics.

What's the common theme of all that? Answer: You start sounding like
some paranoid nutter, Kurt. Like someone that you would make fun of
under different circumstances. Like one of those assholes who keep
going on about the Z.O.G. Ore maybe it's even your turn of playing the
victim card, you poor, oppressed, American Christian.

The truth is, that there's no reason why the Christian religion should
be some sacred cow. You say that freedom of religion is a basic human
right? Well, what isn't a human right, if you're willing to deal with
the consequences? There's a right to stupidity and generally
irresponsible and self-destructive behaviour. However, you will have
to put up with the consequences. Why should we cut people any slack,
just because they frame their ignorance and dogmatism in mysticism and
religion? The will have to put up with the consequences of going the
way they choose to go, and they're not exempt from criticism and
ridicule.
And Kurt, I think I said something along those lines to you before,
but I will say it again: You would be the first person here to
absolutely mercilessly ridicule the beliefs of some random, nutty New
Age or "Pagan" religion. And that's just fine. So why not
Christianity? Just because it has some more followers and you're
member of the club? You would be the first person here to call
bullshit on some wacky political ideology, without any beating around
the bush. So why not Christianity? Just because it's a very old,
non-secular ideology with a lot of emotionally and mystically laden
rhetoric? Way to be a hypocrite.

Ralf #2

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Re: ex-Pope [message #9852 ] Fr, 08 April 2005 22:02
Cooter Cummings  
On 7 Apr 2005 14:51:49 -0700, navykurt [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>hmmm...repeal....i'll buy that. it's as good a word as any. the church
>didn't officially with draw heresy chrges against galileo until the
>late 80's early 90's. but that didn't stop us from learing that the sun
>is the center of the solar system and that the solar system was nowhere
>near the center of the milkyway galaxy let alone the universe. i also
>learned about evolution in a catholic school. i learned the creation
>story in church. i learned that "creation" held essential truths but
>was allegorical in religon class. i also learned that faith and
>knoweledge cannot contridict one another in, of all places, religon
>class. it was therefore, perfectly acceptable, even encouraged, for
>catholics to beleive in evolution, so long as it was understood that
>ultimately god was the architect of evolution. we believe in divine
>revelation. in brief it means that we discover new things when god
>chooses to reveal it to us in a way that we can understand. so, for
>example, the theory relativeity was peened by einstein on the early
>20th century not in the medievil period because man was incapable,
>scientifically and socially of comprehending such a theory. remeber the
>creation story? when it was written down people didn't know that blood
>circulated through the body. they thought the heart not the brain was
>the seat of human intelligence. so how the hell would they have
>comprehended what darwin eventually wrote?

You just gave a good example of human progress and a pretty much
spot-on explanation of why obsolete, inferior attempts to understand
the world should only appear as oddities in history books nowadays and
should be dismissed in favour of more potent, modern epistemologies.
Strangely enough, you arrive at the exact opposite conclusion, that we
should stick to outdated explanations nonetheless. I wonder what went
wrong on the exactly *one* logical step that it takes to get from the
above premises to the correct conclusion.

Ralf #2

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Re: ex-Pope [message #9853 ] Fr, 08 April 2005 23:46
Andrew  
Cooter Cummings wrote:
> On 7 Apr 2005 14:51:49 -0700, navykurt [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> hmmm...repeal....i'll buy that. it's as good a word as any. the
>> church didn't officially with draw heresy chrges against galileo
>> until the late 80's early 90's. but that didn't stop us from learing
>> that the sun is the center of the solar system and that the solar
>> system was nowhere near the center of the milkyway galaxy let alone
>> the universe. i also learned about evolution in a catholic school. i
>> learned the creation story in church. i learned that "creation" held
>> essential truths but was allegorical in religon class. i also

Really hard to type this as my fucking pc is having a seisure or something.
How do you that the rest of the bible isn't one big allegory? That
particualr section wasn't considered allegorical by any church until fairly
recently. What's to stop them doing it again and again whenever a part of
the bible is proved to be incorrect (which is what Ralf just said. so I
think I'll just shit up now).

Must fix pc tomorrow.

>> learned that faith and knoweledge cannot contridict one another in,
>> of all places, religon class. it was therefore, perfectly
>> acceptable, even encouraged, for catholics to beleive in evolution,
>> so long as it was understood that ultimately god was the architect
>> of evolution. we believe in divine revelation. in brief it means
>> that we discover new things when god chooses to reveal it to us in a
>> way that we can understand. so, for example, the theory relativeity
>> was peened by einstein on the early 20th century not in the medievil
>> period because man was incapable, scientifically and socially of
>> comprehending such a theory. remeber the creation story? when it was
>> written down people didn't know that blood circulated through the
>> body. they thought the heart not the brain was the seat of human
>> intelligence. so how the hell would they have comprehended what
>> darwin eventually wrote?
>
> You just gave a good example of human progress and a pretty much
> spot-on explanation of why obsolete, inferior attempts to understand
> the world should only appear as oddities in history books nowadays and
> should be dismissed in favour of more potent, modern epistemologies.
> Strangely enough, you arrive at the exact opposite conclusion, that we
> should stick to outdated explanations nonetheless. I wonder what went
> wrong on the exactly *one* logical step that it takes to get from the
> above premises to the correct conclusion.
>
> Ralf #2

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Re: ex-Pope [message #9894 ] Di, 12 April 2005 08:22
Andrew  
In news:1112801594.560610.106810 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com,
navykurt [at] yahoo.com <navykurt [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> you proddies haven't ever scandalized your selves. i'll give you that.
> i'm sure they'd air it on the big three networks if you had ;)
> anti-catholicism and and christianity are the last two politically
> acceptable bigotries.

The protestants hanged (I'm not sure if the protestants were into burning in
as big a way as the catholics) a fair few catholics during the reformation.
But then that was probably as payback for Mary burning loads of protestants.

All this because some swan-eating, fat-man wanted to change wives :)

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late 80's. A few songs from the 90's but the majority will be between
1980-1988 [stopped] www.rockface-records.co.uk
Re: ex-Pope [message #9916 ] Mi, 13 April 2005 07:16
reneric  
"Andrew [at] Rockface" <andrew [at] rockface-records.co.uk> wrote in message
news:d3fpfg$mon$1 [at] titan.btinternet.com...
> In news:1112801594.560610.106810 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com,
> navykurt [at] yahoo.com <navykurt [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> > you proddies haven't ever scandalized your selves. i'll give you that.
> > i'm sure they'd air it on the big three networks if you had ;)
> > anti-catholicism and and christianity are the last two politically
> > acceptable bigotries.
>
> The protestants hanged (I'm not sure if the protestants were into burning
in
> as big a way as the catholics) a fair few catholics during the
reformation.
> But then that was probably as payback for Mary burning loads of
protestants.
>
> All this because some swan-eating, fat-man wanted to change wives :)

Yep, and that sounds too sick to be true to many people. But we know about
sick things now really hard: like Rawanda and starving babies. Reality
sucks!

It seems that nobody dies without suffering mentally or pysically and
sometimes both.

Why is it that people can only get to heaven by dying? The last exclusive
club, ever.

Renelda
>
> --
> Andrew [at] Rockface
> np: Old Time Hardcore - Punk and Hardcore from the late 70's to the
> late 80's. A few songs from the 90's but the majority will be between
> 1980-1988 [stopped] www.rockface-records.co.uk
>
>
Re: ex-Pope [message #9918 ] Mi, 13 April 2005 08:25
Andrew  
In news:nrmdne71G7bTNsHfRVn-1w [at] rogers.com,
reneric <rene28NOSPAM [at] example.net> wrote:
> "Andrew [at] Rockface" <andrew [at] rockface-records.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:d3fpfg$mon$1 [at] titan.btinternet.com...
>> In news:1112801594.560610.106810 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com,
>> navykurt [at] yahoo.com <navykurt [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> you proddies haven't ever scandalized your selves. i'll give you
>>> that. i'm sure they'd air it on the big three networks if you had ;)
>>> anti-catholicism and and christianity are the last two politically
>>> acceptable bigotries.
>>
>> The protestants hanged (I'm not sure if the protestants were into
>> burning in as big a way as the catholics) a fair few catholics
>> during the reformation. But then that was probably as payback for
>> Mary burning loads of protestants.
>>
>> All this because some swan-eating, fat-man wanted to change wives :)
>
> Yep, and that sounds too sick to be true to many people. But we know
> about sick things now really hard: like Rawanda and starving babies.
> Reality sucks!
>
> It seems that nobody dies without suffering mentally or pysically and
> sometimes both.
>
> Why is it that people can only get to heaven by dying? The last
> exclusive club, ever.
>
> Renelda

Ever read 'Job' by Heinlein? There's this scene set in heaven. The
protagonist is amazed to see people from all the major religions together in
once place, but he can't see any catholics. He asks saint Peter where they
are and Peter replies that they're around the back and kept separate from
everyone else because of their view that only they will get to heaven.

Good book and very funny.

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www.rockface-records.co.uk
Re: ex-Pope [message #9957 ] Fr, 15 April 2005 02:45
reneric  
"Andrew [at] Rockface" <andrew [at] rockface-records.co.uk> wrote in message
news:d3ie0o$62p$1 [at] sparta.btinternet.com...
> In news:nrmdne71G7bTNsHfRVn-1w [at] rogers.com,
> reneric <rene28NOSPAM [at] example.net> wrote:
> > "Andrew [at] Rockface" <andrew [at] rockface-records.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:d3fpfg$mon$1 [at] titan.btinternet.com...
> >> In news:1112801594.560610.106810 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com,
> >> navykurt [at] yahoo.com <navykurt [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> you proddies haven't ever scandalized your selves. i'll give you
> >>> that. i'm sure they'd air it on the big three networks if you had ;)
> >>> anti-catholicism and and christianity are the last two politically
> >>> acceptable bigotries.
> >>
> >> The protestants hanged (I'm not sure if the protestants were into
> >> burning in as big a way as the catholics) a fair few catholics
> >> during the reformation. But then that was probably as payback for
> >> Mary burning loads of protestants.
> >>
> >> All this because some swan-eating, fat-man wanted to change wives :)
> >
> > Yep, and that sounds too sick to be true to many people. But we know
> > about sick things now really hard: like Rawanda and starving babies.
> > Reality sucks!
> >
> > It seems that nobody dies without suffering mentally or pysically and
> > sometimes both.
> >
> > Why is it that people can only get to heaven by dying? The last
> > exclusive club, ever.
> >
> > Renelda
>
> Ever read 'Job' by Heinlein? There's this scene set in heaven. The
> protagonist is amazed to see people from all the major religions together
in
> once place, but he can't see any catholics. He asks saint Peter where they
> are and Peter replies that they're around the back and kept separate from
> everyone else because of their view that only they will get to heaven.
>
> Good book and very funny.
>
> --
> Andrew [at] Rockface
> np: Young Hearts Run Free - Candi Statton [stopped]
> www.rockface-records.co.uk
>

Lordy! I know I would love that book! tracking it down at the library right
after I write this.

Thanks, Ren
>
Re: ex-Pope [message #9958 ] Fr, 15 April 2005 04:33
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