| The Planet Rupert Has Been Discovered! [message #95927] |
Sa, 30 Juli 2005 14:50 |
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"Astronomers Claim Discovery of 10th Planet":
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050730/ap_ on_sc/new_planet
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| Re: The Planet Rupert Has Been Discovered! [message #95929 ] |
Sa, 30 Juli 2005 14:58 |
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Lloyd Floyd schrieb:
> "Astronomers Claim Discovery of 10th Planet":
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> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050730/ap_ on_sc/new_planet
Well, I think we will have to wait a few days, I have heard nothing
about an astronomer's parrot yet - and as I get it, it is also not quite
sure if this is really a planet though bigger than Pluto.
But we might call it Persephone for a start. :-)
Greets,
Stefan
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| Re: The Planet Rupert Has Been Discovered! [message #95939 ] |
Sa, 30 Juli 2005 19:16 |
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"Stefan Kunzmann" <stefan.kunzmann [at] uni-dortmund.de> wrote in message
news:dcftkb$4eh$1 [at] nx6.HRZ.Uni-Dortmund.DE...
> Lloyd Floyd schrieb:
>> "Astronomers Claim Discovery of 10th Planet":
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>> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050730/ap_ on_sc/new_planet
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> Well, I think we will have to wait a few days, I have heard nothing about
> an astronomer's parrot yet - and as I get it, it is also not quite sure if
> this is really a planet though bigger than Pluto.
> But we might call it Persephone for a start. :-)
>
There were three different large trans-Neptunian objects announced this
week, the third of which, 2003 UB313 is at least as large as Pluto and
probably larger. It's 97 AU away from the Sun, nearly double Pluto's
average orbital distance, which puts it in the middle of the Kuiper Belt.
The discoverers have submitted their preference for the planet's name, but
aren't announcing it until the IAU has confirmed the discovery and accepted
the name. Mike Brown, one of the three discoverers, is a professor at
CalTech and a pretty hoopy frood, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed for
Rupert.
http://www.gps.caltech.edu/%7Embrown/
Chiggy.
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| Re: The Planet Rupert Has Been Discovered! [message #95974 ] |
So, 31 Juli 2005 22:58 |
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I see in today's N. Z. Herald that Mike Brown is going for Xena. Maybe
he is a Kiwi at heart. Still, of course I'd much prefer Rupert.
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| Re: The Planet Rupert Has Been Discovered! [message #98652 ] |
Di, 02 August 2005 06:23 |
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<qcumber [at] paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:1122843485.844184.230590 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>I see in today's N. Z. Herald that Mike Brown is going for Xena. Maybe
> he is a Kiwi at heart. Still, of course I'd much prefer Rupert.
>
The IAU's naming scheme for large Kuiper Belt Objects would require naming
it after a character from a creation myth, which means Rupert is out.
Here's what the discoverer's web site has to say:
What is the real name going to be?
When a new object is discovered the International Astronomical Union (IAU)
gives it a temporary designation based on the date it was first seen. Thus
2003 UB313 can be decoded to tell you that the data from which the object
was discovered was obtained in the second half of October 2003. Next, the
discoverers propose a permanent name. We have proposed such a name and are
eagerly awaiting the ruling from the IAU, which we hope will come soon.
Until that time, however, we are obligated to keep our name to ourselves.
But we are free to discuss naming philosophies!
As with everything else in this universe, there are official rules whereby a
new body in the solar system must be named. Interestingly, it is not
entirely clear which rules this new planet falls under, since no one
expected to find new planets so no rules actually exist. If the object falls
under the rules for other Kuiper belt objects, however, it must be named
after some figure in a creation mythology. We have decided to attempt to
follow that ruling scheme.
All of the other planets are named for Greek or Roman gods, so an obvious
suggestion is to attempt to find such a name for the new planet.
Unfortunately, most of the Greek or Roman god names (particularly those
associated with creation, which tend to be the major gods) were used back
when the first asteroids were being discovered. If a name is already taken
by an asteroid, the IAU would not allow that name to be used again. One such
particularly apt name would have been Persephone. In Greek mythology
Persephone is the (forcibly abducted) wife of Hades (Roman Pluto) who spends
six months each year underground close to Hades. The new planet is on an
orbit that could be described in similar terms; half of the time it is in
the vicinity of Pluto and half of the time much further away. Sadly, the
name Persephone was used in 1895 as a name for the 399th known asteroid. The
perhaps more appropriate Roman version of the name, Persipina, was used even
earlier for the 26th known asteroid. The same story can be told for almost
any other Greek or Roman god of any consequence. One exception to this name
depletion is the Roman god Vulcan (Greek Haphaestus), the god of fire.
Astronomers have long reserved that term, however, for a once hypothetical
(now known to be nonexistent) planet closer to the sun than Mercury (god of
fire, near the sun, good name). We would not want to use such a name to
describe such a cold body as our new planet!
Luckily, the world is full of mythological and spiritual traditions. In the
past we have named Kuiper belt objects after native American, Inuit, and
[minor] Roman gods. Our new proposed name expands to different traditions,
still. We hope it is accepted by the IAU and hope afterwards that it is
embraced by all.
Chiggy.
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| Re: The Planet Rupert Has Been Discovered! [message #98653 ] |
Di, 02 August 2005 10:19 |
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>>I see in today's N. Z. Herald that Mike Brown is going for Xena. Maybe
>> he is a Kiwi at heart. Still, of course I'd much prefer Rupert.
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> The IAU's naming scheme for large Kuiper Belt Objects would require naming
> it after a character from a creation myth, which means Rupert is out.
::delurks::
One word for you: Persephone
And then we'll find some astronomer with a parrot called Rupert...
::back to lurking::
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| Re: The Planet Rupert Has Been Discovered! [message #98655 ] |
Di, 02 August 2005 17:49 |
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emmel wrote:
>>>I see in today's N. Z. Herald that Mike Brown is going for Xena. Maybe
>>>he is a Kiwi at heart. Still, of course I'd much prefer Rupert.
>>>
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>>The IAU's naming scheme for large Kuiper Belt Objects would require naming
>>it after a character from a creation myth, which means Rupert is out.
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> ::delurks::
> One word for you: Persephone
> And then we'll find some astronomer with a parrot called Rupert...
> ::back to lurking::
From the posting you just replied to:
"If a name is already taken by an asteroid, the IAU would not allow that
name to be used again. One such particularly apt name would have been
Persephone. [...] Sadly, the name Persephone was used in 1895 as a name
for the 399th known asteroid. "
Best
Kåre
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| Re: The Planet Rupert Has Been Discovered! [message #98667 ] |
Mi, 03 August 2005 01:27 |
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"Magazine Launches Name-the-Planet Initiative":
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050802/sc_afp/spaceplanetoffbe at_050802175418
Rupert!
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| Re: The Planet Rupert Has Been Discovered! [message #98670 ] |
Mi, 03 August 2005 02:20 |
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"emmel" <the_emmel*whatever* [at] gmx.net> wrote in message
news:slrndeub4t.211.the_emmel*whatever* [at] storm.mlnet...
>>>I see in today's N. Z. Herald that Mike Brown is going for Xena. Maybe
>>> he is a Kiwi at heart. Still, of course I'd much prefer Rupert.
>>>
>>
>> The IAU's naming scheme for large Kuiper Belt Objects would require
>> naming
>> it after a character from a creation myth, which means Rupert is out.
>
> ::delurks::
> One word for you: Persephone
> And then we'll find some astronomer with a parrot called Rupert...
> ::back to lurking::
> --
> emmel
Sorry, already taken and so is the Latin version. Read that in some other
newsgroup yesterday.
Regards,
Peter
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| Re: The Planet Rupert Has Been Discovered! [message #98671 ] |
Mi, 03 August 2005 02:53 |
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"Peter" <dacelogunreal [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:42f00dd4_1 [at] news.iprimus.com.au...
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> "emmel" <the_emmel*whatever* [at] gmx.net> wrote in message
> news:slrndeub4t.211.the_emmel*whatever* [at] storm.mlnet...
>>>>I see in today's N. Z. Herald that Mike Brown is going for Xena. Maybe
>>>> he is a Kiwi at heart. Still, of course I'd much prefer Rupert.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The IAU's naming scheme for large Kuiper Belt Objects would require
>>> naming
>>> it after a character from a creation myth, which means Rupert is out.
>>
>> ::delurks::
>> One word for you: Persephone
>> And then we'll find some astronomer with a parrot called Rupert...
>> ::back to lurking::
>> --
>> emmel
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> Sorry, already taken and so is the Latin version. Read that in some other
> newsgroup yesterday.
>
All we need to do is convince the IAU that the Guide is a creation myth and
we're back in business.
Chiggy.
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| Re: The Planet Rupert Has Been Discovered! [message #100845 ] |
Do, 04 August 2005 13:04 |
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Dave Adalian wrote:
> "Peter" <dacelogunreal [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:42f00dd4_1 [at] news.iprimus.com.au...
> >
> >>>
> >>> The IAU's naming scheme for large Kuiper Belt Objects would require
> >>> naming
> >>> it after a character from a creation myth, which means Rupert is out.
> >>
>
> All we need to do is convince the IAU that the Guide is a creation myth and
> we're back in business.
>
Well the Magrathea and Golgfincham bits are a sort-of creation myth,
aren't they? Perhaps the planet could be called Slartibartfast or
Telephone Sanitizer?
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| Re: The Planet Rupert Has Been Discovered! [message #100846 ] |
Do, 04 August 2005 18:49 |
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pippa.moran [at] gmail.com wrote:
> Dave Adalian wrote:
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>>"Peter" <dacelogunreal [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:42f00dd4_1 [at] news.iprimus.com.au...
>>
>>>>>The IAU's naming scheme for large Kuiper Belt Objects would require
>>>>>naming
>>>>>it after a character from a creation myth, which means Rupert is out.
>>>>
>>All we need to do is convince the IAU that the Guide is a creation myth and
>>we're back in business.
>>
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>
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> Well the Magrathea and Golgfincham bits are a sort-of creation myth,
> aren't they? Perhaps the planet could be called Slartibartfast or
> Telephone Sanitizer?
>
"Planet Slartibartfast." I like that!
--
Tian
7/31: I splashed around under a beautiful waterfall in a pool
that was much colder than the lake it emptied into. I also
played frisbee there with a couple of El Dorado County Greens.
8/1: I put my camping trip pictures on my website.
http://tian.greens.org
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| Re: The Planet Rupert Has Been Discovered! [message #100856 ] |
Do, 04 August 2005 22:11 |
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"Tian" <DontBeFuelish [at] aol.com47320480> wrote in message
news:dctgvg$vqa$1 [at] domitilla.aioe.org...
> pippa.moran [at] gmail.com wrote:
>> Dave Adalian wrote:
>>
>>>"Peter" <dacelogunreal [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:42f00dd4_1 [at] news.iprimus.com.au...
>>>
>>>>>>The IAU's naming scheme for large Kuiper Belt Objects would require
>>>>>>naming
>>>>>>it after a character from a creation myth, which means Rupert is out.
>>>>>
>>>All we need to do is convince the IAU that the Guide is a creation myth
>>>and
>>>we're back in business.
>>>
>>
>>
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>> Well the Magrathea and Golgfincham bits are a sort-of creation myth,
>> aren't they? Perhaps the planet could be called Slartibartfast or
>> Telephone Sanitizer?
>>
> "Planet Slartibartfast." I like that!
>
Planet Arkleseizure!
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| Re: The Planet Rupert Has Been Discovered! [message #103145 ] |
Fr, 05 August 2005 18:42 |
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"Dave Adalian" <dpalta [at] comcast.net> hit the keyboard.
Afterwards the following was on the screen:
> "Tian" <DontBeFuelish [at] aol.com47320480> wrote in message
> news:dctgvg$vqa$1 [at] domitilla.aioe.org...
>> pippa.moran [at] gmail.com wrote:
>>> Dave Adalian wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Peter" <dacelogunreal [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:42f00dd4_1 [at] news.iprimus.com.au...
>>>>
>>>>>>>The IAU's naming scheme for large Kuiper Belt Objects would require
>>>>>>>naming
>>>>>>>it after a character from a creation myth, which means Rupert is out.
>>>>>>
>>>>All we need to do is convince the IAU that the Guide is a creation myth
>>>>and
>>>>we're back in business.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well the Magrathea and Golgfincham bits are a sort-of creation myth,
>>> aren't they? Perhaps the planet could be called Slartibartfast or
>>> Telephone Sanitizer?
>>>
>> "Planet Slartibartfast." I like that!
>>
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> Planet Arkleseizure!
Planet Handkerchief?
After all the orbit is a lot elliptic, so the closest point (I forget
the scientific name) could be called The Coming of the Great White
Handkerchief...
/Rasmus
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| Re: The Planet Rupert Has Been Discovered! [message #103207 ] |
Di, 09 August 2005 12:08 |
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Take a letter Miss Jones: To Lloyd Floyd, The Planet Rupert Has Been Discovered!:
> "Astronomers Claim Discovery of 10th Planet":
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> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050730/ap_ on_sc/new_planet
Oh no. Not again.
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"`If there's anything more important than my ego around,
I want it caught and shot now.'"
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