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| BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs and Organized Crime [message #95669] |
Sa, 30 Juli 2005 10:19 |
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Wow. Those must be some great Chamalla drugs President Roslin is taking from her
Organized Crime connection in this episode. This illegal drug immediately made Roslin think
and talk coherently after babbling for days.
Thus, this BSG episode clearly presents a super-positive image of street drugs and a negative image
of alcohol, which causes Tigh to lapse into his own incoherency concerning the Kobol
search and rescue mission.
So the message is, if you were considering visiting your liquor store, try checking out your
Organized Crime connection and give their stash of street drugs a try.
Anyone know who the Organized Crime connection is where BSG viewer can obtain this
Better Living Through Chemistry ?
Now we have already seen the Poker Gambling games involving Baltar and Starbuck,
another Organized Crime product.
The only major Organized Crime product we have yet to see is Prostitution. Although Cylons
Boomer and "6" play roles in which they trade sex for Top Secret information from Baltar and the Chief.
In fact, as I have stated earlier, Prostitutes are usually used to commit State-sponsored and commercial
Espionage of this kind in the real world. We just have not seen any money change hands yet.
I can just see an Organized Crime guy in New York right now fingering a wad of $100 bills,
sitting on boxes and boxes of street drugs of all types and just waiting for the BSG customers to start pouring in.
Indeed, Mr. New York Organized Crime must be thinking:
"that investment I made with those Hollywood Homosexuals in that BSG project was money well spent".
Politics
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http://www.worldandi.com/public/2000/november/sax.html
Ritalin: Better Living Through Chemistry? by Leonard Sax, M.D.
This year some six million children in the U.S.--one in eight-- will take Ritalin. With 5 percent
of the world's population, the U.S. consumes 85 percent of this drug. Have we considered the
consequences?
In 1961, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved a medication named Ritalin for use by
children with behavior problems. In 1975, roughly 150,000 American children were taking Ritalin.1
By 1988, that number had increased over 500 percent, to just about 1 million children.2 This year
about 6 million American children--roughly one child out of every eight--will take Ritalin.3 No
other medication in American history has had this kind of success in achieving and maintaining
such a grip on its market: not Valium, not Prozac, not Viagra. The United States, with less than
5 percent of the world's population, now accounts for 85 percent of the world's consumption of
Ritalin.4 But what is Ritalin? How did it get to be so popular? Why isn't it being prescribed as
extensively in other countries as it is here?
WHAT IS RITALIN?
In terms of pharmacological effect, Ritalin--also known by its chemical name, methylphenidate--is
a powerful stimulant in the same class as amphetamine ("speed") and cocaine. The Drug Enforcement
Administration (DEA) has always assigned Ritalin to "Schedule II," the same schedule as
amphetamine. In other words, the DEA considers Ritalin to have about the same potential for abuse
as amphetamine has. Laboratory animals given the choice to self-administer cocaine or Ritalin
make no distinction between the two.5 Gene Haislip, retired assistant administrator of the DEA,
remarked that "we have become the only country in the world where children are prescribed such a
vast quantity of stimulants that share virtually the same properties as cocaine."6 Critic John
Lang wrote in 1997 that "Americans would be horrified to learn that two million children across
the nation are being given cocaine by their parents and doctors to make them behave better in
school, [but that's] so close to the truth that it takes a chemist to tell the difference. The
effect is virtually the same. These kids are wired."7 Of course, if Lang were to write his
article today, he'd have to say "six million children" instead of "two million children."
If it's true that Ritalin is similar to cocaine and amphetamines in its effect, then why isn't
Ritalin addictive? Why aren't people stealing Ritalin and selling it in back alleys, the way
cocaine is sold? Actually, people are stealing Ritalin, and it is being sold in back alleys and
other venues of the illicit drug marketplace. On May 16, 2000, the House Education and Workforce
Committee held hearings on the illegal use of Ritalin. They heard testimony that one in five
college students in the United States today uses Ritalin for "recreational" purposes.8 "Ritalin
may be the greatest drug problem we have in this country," said committee chairman William
Goodling (R-Pennsylvania). Ironically, the very same week that Congress was holding hearings on
Ritalin, a circle of fifteen eighth-grade boys at a Chicago middle school was discovered to be
trading Ritalin. All the boys were suspended, and criminal charges were filed against the five
ringleaders.9 One month earlier, a seemingly healthy 14-year-old boy died from heart problems
apparently triggered by taking Ritalin.10 In Muskego, Wisconsin, an elementary-school teacher was
charged with stealing Ritalin from pupils' prescription bottles.11 James Smith, a 35-year-old
teacher at Grassland Middle School in Nashville, Tennessee, was fined and sent to jail for
stealing students' Ritalin tablets.12
But the truth is that there is not a huge illicit market for Ritalin. Why not? The answer is in
the way the drug reaches your bloodstream. For a drug to be highly addictive, it's got to hit
your system all at once, in a "rush." Ritalin, when taken by mouth, is absorbed fairly slowly.
You won't get a rush. If the pills are ground up and snorted up the nose, however, then the user
can achieve a high--similar to what's experienced by snorting cocaine. Some older students are
now doing precisely that with their Ritalin tablets, according to Dr. Roger Weiss, clinical
director of the drug abuse treatment program at McLean Hospital near Boston: they are grinding
Ritalin tablets into a fine powder and snorting the powder up the nose.13
WHY IS RITALIN SO POPULAR?
Ritalin has been on the market for almost forty years. Nothing has changed in terms of its
classification as a prescription drug under U.S. law; nothing has changed in the manner of its
production or delivery. So why has its use increased roughly 500 percent over the past ten years
and 4,000 percent over the past twenty-five years? To understand the answer to that question, you
have to know something about attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD.
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| Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs and Organized Crime [message #95677 ] |
Sa, 30 Juli 2005 12:09 |
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:19:25 -0700, "John Shocked"
<jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>Wow. Those must be some great Chamalla drugs President Roslin is taking from her
>Organized Crime connection in this episode. This illegal drug immediately made Roslin think
>and talk coherently after babbling for days.
>Thus, this BSG episode clearly presents a super-positive image of street drugs and a negative image
>of alcohol, which causes Tigh to lapse into his own incoherency concerning the Kobol
>search and rescue mission.
>So the message is, if you were considering visiting your liquor store, try checking out your
>Organized Crime connection and give their stash of street drugs a try.
>Anyone know who the Organized Crime connection is where BSG viewer can obtain this
>Better Living Through Chemistry ?
Actually, a more valid comparison might be with medical marijuana or
the stuff some native American tribes smoke during their rituals. It
clearly had some medicinal value.
You really are wound pretty tight, aren't you.
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| Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs and Organized Crime [message #95678 ] |
Sa, 30 Juli 2005 13:55 |
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"Framester" <chrisframe1 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hbkme1tta4gkub0o8us8i4405e8ld99al7 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:19:25 -0700, "John Shocked"
> <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Wow. Those must be some great Chamalla drugs President Roslin is taking
>>from her
>>Organized Crime connection in this episode. This illegal drug immediately
>>made Roslin think
>>and talk coherently after babbling for days.
>>Thus, this BSG episode clearly presents a super-positive image of street
>>drugs and a negative image
>>of alcohol, which causes Tigh to lapse into his own incoherency concerning
>>the Kobol
>>search and rescue mission.
>>So the message is, if you were considering visiting your liquor store, try
>>checking out your
>>Organized Crime connection and give their stash of street drugs a try.
>>Anyone know who the Organized Crime connection is where BSG viewer can
>>obtain this
>>Better Living Through Chemistry ?
>
> Actually, a more valid comparison might be with medical marijuana or
> the stuff some native American tribes smoke during their rituals. It
> clearly had some medicinal value.
>
> You really are wound pretty tight, aren't you.
I bet the guy is a real scream at parties.
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| Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs and Organized Crime [message #95679 ] |
Sa, 30 Juli 2005 13:55 |
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"Framester" <chrisframe1 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hbkme1tta4gkub0o8us8i4405e8ld99al7 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:19:25 -0700, "John Shocked"
> <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Wow. Those must be some great Chamalla drugs President Roslin is taking from her
>>Organized Crime connection in this episode. This illegal drug immediately made Roslin think
>>and talk coherently after babbling for days.
>>Thus, this BSG episode clearly presents a super-positive image of street drugs and a negative image
>>of alcohol, which causes Tigh to lapse into his own incoherency concerning the Kobol
>>search and rescue mission.
>>So the message is, if you were considering visiting your liquor store, try checking out your
>>Organized Crime connection and give their stash of street drugs a try.
>>Anyone know who the Organized Crime connection is where BSG viewer can obtain this
>>Better Living Through Chemistry ?
> Actually, a more valid comparison might be with medical marijuana or
> the stuff some native American tribes smoke during their rituals.
> It clearly had some medicinal value.
> You really are wound pretty tight, aren't you.
There is no question that the Chamalla is illegal and had to be obtained through
illegal means and that was conveyed by how the black guard was asked to
obtain the drug and the silent underhanded handoff by Venner of the drug to the Billy
character to deliver the drug to President Roslin.
"(Billy) corporal Venner? There's a, uh, a drug that priests sometimes use. It's called chamalla extract."
Politics
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| Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs and Organized Crime [message #95680 ] |
Sa, 30 Juli 2005 14:04 |
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"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2 [at] THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message news:EUJGe.11120$oZ.10471 [at] newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> "Framester" <chrisframe1 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hbkme1tta4gkub0o8us8i4405e8ld99al7 [at] 4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:19:25 -0700, "John Shocked"
>> <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>Wow. Those must be some great Chamalla drugs President Roslin is taking from her Organized Crime connection in this episode.
>>>This illegal drug immediately made Roslin think and talk coherently after babbling for days.
>>>Thus, this BSG episode clearly presents a super-positive image of street drugs and a negative image of alcohol, which causes Tigh
>>>to lapse into his own incoherency concerning the Kobol search and rescue mission.
>>>So the message is, if you were considering visiting your liquor store, try checking out your Organized Crime connection and give
>>>their stash of street drugs a try.
>>>Anyone know who the Organized Crime connection is where BSG viewer can obtain this Better Living Through Chemistry ?
>> Actually, a more valid comparison might be with medical marijuana or
>> the stuff some native American tribes smoke during their rituals. It
>> clearly had some medicinal value.
>> You really are wound pretty tight, aren't you.
> I bet the guy is a real scream at parties.
You means Drug Parties ?
Politics
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| Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs and Organized Crime [message #95687 ] |
Sa, 30 Juli 2005 18:58 |
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"John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fKGGe.190485$Qo.133168 [at] fed1read01...
> Wow.
Jolly good John old boy.
Have another vat or two will you? There's a good chap.
-Wraith-
BTW John, ALL television is bad mind control. So what really the hell is
your bloody point?
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| Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs and Organized Crime [message #95688 ] |
Sa, 30 Juli 2005 18:59 |
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"Framester" <chrisframe1 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hbkme1tta4gkub0o8us8i4405e8ld99al7 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:19:25 -0700, "John Shocked"
> <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> You really are wound pretty tight, aren't you.
Indeed he his. Best fuck I've ever had. Squeeks I shit ye not.
-Wraith-
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| Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs andOr... [message #95728 ] |
So, 31 Juli 2005 18:18 |
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"Richard B" <RCBISCH [at] webtv.net> wrote in message news:15372-42EBB365-583 [at] storefull-3153.bay.webtv.net...
> John Shocked is really Tom Cruise
Typical Hollywood Homosexual response.
Do not deal with the issue but make a Personal Attack and attempt a diversion.
Because they are smarter than you are.
As far as they are concerned, you are just a piece of trash, to conned,
used, abused and/or run over.
You will never amount to anything more to them than that.
Politics
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Wow. Those must be some great Chamalla drugs President Roslin is taking from her
Organized Crime connection in this episode. This illegal drug immediately made Roslin think
and talk coherently after babbling for days.
Thus, this BSG episode clearly presents a super-positive image of street drugs and a negative image
of alcohol, which causes Tigh to lapse into his own incoherency concerning the Kobol
search and rescue mission.
So the message is, if you were considering visiting your liquor store, try checking out your
Organized Crime connection and give their stash of street drugs a try.
Anyone know who the Organized Crime connection is where BSG viewer can obtain this
Better Living Through Chemistry ?
Now we have already seen the Poker Gambling games involving Baltar and Starbuck,
another Organized Crime product.
The only major Organized Crime product we have yet to see is Prostitution. Although Cylons
Boomer and "6" play roles in which they trade sex for Top Secret information from Baltar and the Chief.
In fact, as I have stated earlier, Prostitutes are usually used to commit State-sponsored and commercial
Espionage of this kind in the real world. We just have not seen any money change hands yet.
I can just see an Organized Crime guy in New York right now fingering a wad of $100 bills,
sitting on boxes and boxes of street drugs of all types and just waiting for the BSG customers to start pouring in.
Indeed, Mr. New York Organized Crime must be thinking:
"that investment I made with those Hollywood Homosexuals in that BSG project was money well spent".
Politics
========================excerpt============================= =
http://www.worldandi.com/public/2000/november/sax.html
Ritalin: Better Living Through Chemistry? by Leonard Sax, M.D.
This year some six million children in the U.S.--one in eight-- will take Ritalin. With 5 percent
of the world's population, the U.S. consumes 85 percent of this drug. Have we considered the
consequences?
In 1961, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved a medication named Ritalin for use by
children with behavior problems. In 1975, roughly 150,000 American children were taking Ritalin.1
By 1988, that number had increased over 500 percent, to just about 1 million children.2 This year
about 6 million American children--roughly one child out of every eight--will take Ritalin.3 No
other medication in American history has had this kind of success in achieving and maintaining
such a grip on its market: not Valium, not Prozac, not Viagra. The United States, with less than
5 percent of the world's population, now accounts for 85 percent of the world's consumption of
Ritalin.4 But what is Ritalin? How did it get to be so popular? Why isn't it being prescribed as
extensively in other countries as it is here?
WHAT IS RITALIN?
In terms of pharmacological effect, Ritalin--also known by its chemical name, methylphenidate--is
a powerful stimulant in the same class as amphetamine ("speed") and cocaine. The Drug Enforcement
Administration (DEA) has always assigned Ritalin to "Schedule II," the same schedule as
amphetamine. In other words, the DEA considers Ritalin to have about the same potential for abuse
as amphetamine has. Laboratory animals given the choice to self-administer cocaine or Ritalin
make no distinction between the two.5 Gene Haislip, retired assistant administrator of the DEA,
remarked that "we have become the only country in the world where children are prescribed such a
vast quantity of stimulants that share virtually the same properties as cocaine."6 Critic John
Lang wrote in 1997 that "Americans would be horrified to learn that two million children across
the nation are being given cocaine by their parents and doctors to make them behave better in
school, [but that's] so close to the truth that it takes a chemist to tell the difference. The
effect is virtually the same. These kids are wired."7 Of course, if Lang were to write his
article today, he'd have to say "six million children" instead of "two million children."
If it's true that Ritalin is similar to cocaine and amphetamines in its effect, then why isn't
Ritalin addictive? Why aren't people stealing Ritalin and selling it in back alleys, the way
cocaine is sold? Actually, people are stealing Ritalin, and it is being sold in back alleys and
other venues of the illicit drug marketplace. On May 16, 2000, the House Education and Workforce
Committee held hearings on the illegal use of Ritalin. They heard testimony that one in five
college students in the United States today uses Ritalin for "recreational" purposes.8 "Ritalin
may be the greatest drug problem we have in this country," said committee chairman William
Goodling (R-Pennsylvania). Ironically, the very same week that Congress was holding hearings on
Ritalin, a circle of fifteen eighth-grade boys at a Chicago middle school was discovered to be
trading Ritalin. All the boys were suspended, and criminal charges were filed against the five
ringleaders.9 One month earlier, a seemingly healthy 14-year-old boy died from heart problems
apparently triggered by taking Ritalin.10 In Muskego, Wisconsin, an elementary-school teacher was
charged with stealing Ritalin from pupils' prescription bottles.11 James Smith, a 35-year-old
teacher at Grassland Middle School in Nashville, Tennessee, was fined and sent to jail for
stealing students' Ritalin tablets.12
But the truth is that there is not a huge illicit market for Ritalin. Why not? The answer is in
the way the drug reaches your bloodstream. For a drug to be highly addictive, it's got to hit
your system all at once, in a "rush." Ritalin, when taken by mouth, is absorbed fairly slowly.
You won't get a rush. If the pills are ground up and snorted up the nose, however, then the user
can achieve a high--similar to what's experienced by snorting cocaine. Some older students are
now doing precisely that with their Ritalin tablets, according to Dr. Roger Weiss, clinical
director of the drug abuse treatment program at McLean Hospital near Boston: they are grinding
Ritalin tablets into a fine powder and snorting the powder up the nose.13
WHY IS RITALIN SO POPULAR?
Ritalin has been on the market for almost forty years. Nothing has changed in terms of its
classification as a prescription drug under U.S. law; nothing has changed in the manner of its
production or delivery. So why has its use increased roughly 500 percent over the past ten years
and 4,000 percent over the past twenty-five years? To understand the answer to that question, you
have to know something about attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD.
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Politics
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| Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs and Organized Crime [message #95738 ] |
Mo, 01 August 2005 04:45 |
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In article <fKGGe.190485$Qo.133168 [at] fed1read01>,
"John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> said:
> Wow. Those must be some great Chamalla drugs President Roslin
> is taking from her Organized Crime connection in this episode.
Still incapable of following simple plot developments, eh John?
(Note for non-viewers: no elements of Organized Crime, with or
without capitalization, were involved in the referenced episode.
In other words, Sodomy John is still seeing things that aren't
there. What a surprise.)
--
William December Starr <wdstarr [at] panix.com>
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| What if JS is right? Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Adfor Illegal Drugs and Organized Crim [message #95739 ] |
Mo, 01 August 2005 06:14 |
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What if JS is right? Would it seriously change anything? Would it ruin
the fun of watching the show, for example?
Me, I have no problem with subversive subtexts. I mean, why shouldn't
pro-Gay and pro-drug people non-overtly conceal their propaganda in
fantasy fiction? It's not like they have many options if they want to
get their message out there.
There's actually a long history of that kind of thing going on. The
Jack and the Beanstalk story was actually a David-vs.-Goliath kind of a
fantasy about the little impoverished guy getting the better of THE BIG
FAT RICH MAN.
Classically, the little people (the disenfranchised) can't elicit
support for their cause directly: they have to conceal their message if
they want their message heard - because their message is being
censored/suppressed.
<<Alan Asherman -- You created STAR TREK, and your name is known all
over the world. How does it feel?
GR -- I feel, as I wake up every morning, "I hope today isn't the day
they find me out."
AA -- Can you recall the first thing you thought about when you
conceived STAR TREK?
GR -- I guess it was the thought that under the terrible restrictions of
television it might be a way I could infiltrate my ideas, and that's
what it's been all the time.>>
[Gene Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek]
About the hidden messages in Star Trek:
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/roddenberry-4.mp3
Found here:
http://www.trekology.com/?p=28#more-28
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| Re: What if JS is right? Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood HomosexualAd for Illegal Drugs and Organized [message #95740 ] |
Mo, 01 August 2005 06:36 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
> <<Alan Asherman -- You created STAR TREK, and your name is known all
> over the world. How does it feel?
>
> GR -- I feel, as I wake up every morning, "I hope today isn't the day
> they find me out."
>
> AA -- Can you recall the first thing you thought about when you
> conceived STAR TREK?
>
> GR -- I guess it was the thought that under the terrible restrictions of
> television it might be a way I could infiltrate my ideas, and that's
> what it's been all the time.>>
>
> [Gene Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek]
>
> About the hidden messages in Star Trek:
>
> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/roddenberry-4.mp3
>
> Found here:
>
> http://www.trekology.com/?p=28#more-28
>
<< We [the interviewers] tell Gene [Roddenberry] something of our recent
interview with Bill [Shatner] and Leonard [Nimoy] - touching on the
Kirk-Spock relationship, and Nimoy's feeling that Kirk was essential to
Spock's life:
"I know you've told us you designed that relationship as 'Two halves
which come together to make a whole'. Is that how you still see it?"
[Roddenberry]: "Oh yes. As I've said, I definitely designed it as a love
relationship..."
[From: Shatner: Where No Man...: The Authorized Biography of William
Shatner (Chapter 7 - Page 145]
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| Re: What if JS is right? Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs and Organized [message #95744 ] |
Mo, 01 August 2005 11:27 |
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>What if JS is right?
He isn't, which rather puts a stop to this thought experiment...
Nevertheless:
> Would it seriously change anything? Would it ruin
>the fun of watching the show, for example?
Only for him, seemingly. Since no one else has noticed said messages,
they must be spectacularly unsuccessful at getting them across.
>Me, I have no problem with subversive subtexts. I mean, why shouldn't
>pro-Gay and pro-drug people non-overtly conceal their propaganda in
>fantasy fiction?
Well, there's hardly a gay 'issue' to spread subversive propaganda
about save in the minds of those homophobes like John the world has
left behind - in the modern world homosexuals are free to agitate
loudly and in public about anything that concerns them. As for being
'pro-drugs', the only propaganda conceivable in BSG is in favour of
'alternative' medical treatments (and maybe not even that. It's already
been prophesied that Roslin won't survive the series, so maybe the
khamalla extract is no more than a palliative anyway - it doesn't seem
to be curing her from anything I've seen) - the drug is being used
strictly for medical purposes, with no suggestion that it's being taken
recreationally or that it is being taken because of its hallucinogenic
properties. It could, at a very long stretch, be seen as 'propaganda'
in favour of medicinal cannabis use, but that's an issue which is no
more relevant to recreational use of that drug than the medical use of
morphine is to the recreational abuse of heroin.
> There's actually a long history of that kind of thing going on. The
>Jack and the Beanstalk story was actually a David-vs.-Goliath kind of a
>fantasy about the little impoverished guy getting the better of THE BIG
>FAT RICH MAN.
Ah, but John doesn't disapprove of that message, so in his
narrow-minded world it's okay while imagined symbolism in BSG isn't.
Philip Bowles
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| Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs and Organized Crime [message #98372 ] |
Mo, 01 August 2005 15:18 |
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"William December Starr" <wdstarr [at] panix.com> wrote in message news:dck2cn$2oh$1 [at] panix1.panix.com...
> In article <fKGGe.190485$Qo.133168 [at] fed1read01>,
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> said:
>> Wow. Those must be some great Chamalla drugs President Roslin
>> is taking from her Organized Crime connection in this episode.
> Still incapable of following simple plot developments, eh John?
> (Note for non-viewers: no elements of Organized Crime, with or
> without capitalization, were involved in the referenced episode.
> In other words, Sodomy John is still seeing things that aren't
> there. What a surprise.)
> William December Starr <wdstarr [at] panix.com>
Some doctors have been in trouble with authorities for giving their patients heroine or morphine,
when it clearly does not cure the disease the patient has. The hallucinatory nature of this Chamalla
drug clearly is intended to conjure up the same illegal activity by doctors. That is why this
doctor is portrayed as smoking around his patients. He is not an honest doctor.
In England just around 5 years ago, there was a mass murderer who started out his patients
on heroine before finally murdering many of them with a heroine overdose.
===============Excerpt from BSG episode Act of Contrition==============
But your doctor back on Caprica was right. It's too late to operate, the cancer's too far advanced.
All we can do now is try and shrink the tumor with gamma treatments and follow that up with
I.V., C.I.S-Dyloxin. Did he explain to you the side effects of Dyloxin?
Hair loss, nausea, muscle degeneration I watched my mother endure two years of Dyloxin before she died.
I would like to explore alternate treatments.
Prayer ?
Witty.
Have you ever heard of Chamalla extract ?
Oh, god, you're one of those.
What if it works ?
All the evidence on Chamalla is anecdotal.
It's nothing but a bunch of loose talk and false hope.
I take that as a yes.
All right, I'll, uh, I'll put out a med request to the civilian fleet.
Maybe there's some other wide-eyed dreamer out there with a secret hoard of Chamalla extract in their luggage.
You can, put your clothes back on now.
Thank you.
And for what it's worth, I would seriously consider prayer.
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| Re: What if JS is right? Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs and Organized [message #98404 ] |
Di, 02 August 2005 05:20 |
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ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
> What if JS is right? Would it seriously change anything? Would it ruin
> the fun of watching the show, for example?
>
> Me, I have no problem with subversive subtexts. [...]
I don't either. The issue isn't whether Sodomy John is right about the subtext
or not. The issue is that he's using his theory to push his homophobic agenda.
-- jayembee
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| Re: What if JS is right? Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs and Organized [message #98406 ] |
Di, 02 August 2005 05:21 |
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ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
> << We [the interviewers] tell Gene [Roddenberry] something of our recent
> interview with Bill [Shatner] and Leonard [Nimoy] - touching on the
> Kirk-Spock relationship, and Nimoy's feeling that Kirk was essential to
> Spock's life:
>
> "I know you've told us you designed that relationship as 'Two halves
> which come together to make a whole'. Is that how you still see it?"
>
> [Roddenberry]: "Oh yes. As I've said, I definitely designed it as a love
> relationship..."
>
> [From: Shatner: Where No Man...: The Authorized Biography of William
> Shatner (Chapter 7 - Page 145]
And...?
It seems clear from other things that GR didn't mean *that* kind of "love".
-- jayembee
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jayembee wrote:
> It seems clear from other things that GR didn't mean *that* kind of "love".
So you say.
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Di, 02 August 2005 07:44 |
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On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 23:26:24 -0400, ToolPackinMama
<laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>jayembee wrote:
>
>> It seems clear from other things that GR didn't mean *that* kind of "love".
>
>So you say.
Was it pointed?
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Di, 02 August 2005 21:10 |
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jayembee wrote:
> ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>
>> << We [the interviewers] tell Gene [Roddenberry] something of our recent
>> interview with Bill [Shatner] and Leonard [Nimoy] - touching on the
>> Kirk-Spock relationship, and Nimoy's feeling that Kirk was essential to
>> Spock's life:
>>
>> "I know you've told us you designed that relationship as 'Two halves
>> which come together to make a whole'. Is that how you still see it?"
>>
>> [Roddenberry]: "Oh yes. As I've said, I definitely designed it as a love
>> relationship..."
>>
>> [From: Shatner: Where No Man...: The Authorized Biography of William
>> Shatner (Chapter 7 - Page 145]
>
> And...?
>
> It seems clear from other things that GR didn't mean *that* kind of "love".
He didn't. He's even said he didn't.
"There's certainly some of that with - certainly with
love overtones. Deep love. The only difference being,
the Greek ideal - WE NEVER SUGGESTED IT IN THE SERIES
- PHYSICAL LOVE BETWEEN THE TWO."
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| Re: What if JS is right? Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs and Organized [message #98432 ] |
Di, 02 August 2005 23:24 |
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"jayembee" <jayembeenospam [at] snurcher.com> wrote in message news:1fpte11a2lqhs4jpj5bdkto93lhrg5iflk [at] 4ax.com...
> ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>> What if JS is right? Would it seriously change anything? Would it ruin
>> the fun of watching the show, for example?
>> Me, I have no problem with subversive subtexts. [...]
> I don't either. The issue isn't whether Sodomy John is right about the subtext
> or not. The issue is that he's using his theory to push his homophobic agenda.
> -- jayembee
Why not level with the readers here: Do you support Sodomy on TV or not ?
Is it acceptable to have Sodomy symbolisms in regular TV science fiction series or not
as far as you are concerned ?
Would you not agree that a failure to answer this question indicates that you are trying
to play fellow members of these Newsgroups for Chumps ?
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| Re: What if JS is right? Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs and Organized [message #98433 ] |
Di, 02 August 2005 23:29 |
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"jayembee" <jayembeenospam [at] snurcher.com> wrote in message news:1jpte1t8rh2p2q0cn6o54j4auj6v57957u [at] 4ax.com...
> ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>> << We [the interviewers] tell Gene [Roddenberry] something of our recent
>> interview with Bill [Shatner] and Leonard [Nimoy] - touching on the
>> Kirk-Spock relationship, and Nimoy's feeling that Kirk was essential to
>> Spock's life:
>> "I know you've told us you designed that relationship as 'Two halves
>> which come together to make a whole'. Is that how you still see it?"
>> [Roddenberry]: "Oh yes. As I've said, I definitely designed it as a love
>> relationship..."
>> [From: Shatner: Where No Man...: The Authorized Biography of William
>> Shatner (Chapter 7 - Page 145]
> And...?
> It seems clear from other things that GR didn't mean *that* kind of "love".
> -- jayembee
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In the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode The Outcast, the records show
that that episode first aired 03/16/1992, which was right in the middle of the Clinton
campaign for President which I have discussed previously as the real turning point when
Hollywood Homosexuals Neo-Conservatives took control in Hollywood and in the country.
And it works right into the timeline of being 5 months after the 10/24/1991
Death of Gene Roddenberry and the takeover of the Star Trek franchise by Rick Berman.
Suddenly, the Star Trek:The Next Generation (TNG) actors were being asked
to read scripts which expanded on the idea of Sodomy being 'just another life choice'
and Stewart it seems, to his credit, reacted against this.
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In these 1994 SNL skits, Patrick Stewart says: "say No to anal sex !". As such,
Stewart, who I am sure contributed to both of these 1994 Saturday Night Live
scripts clearly wanted to denounce the direction the Star Trek franchise took
at that time when it was taken over by Hollywood Homosexuals.
Of course, Star Trek: The Next Generation was the Gold Standard against which
all the other subsequent science fiction shows are measured.
In 1994, this was Star Trek:TNG's last year (1987-1994) and Star Trek:Deep
Space Nine was the new series (1993-1999) taking over. Gene Roddenberry died
on Oct 24 1991 and Rick Berman took over control of the Star Trek franchise.
One clear difference between the two series was Sodomy. ST DS9 has deep
Sodomy symbolisms written directly into the storyline
Terry Farrell (a woman) had a symbiont/symbiant inside her which was a man.
And in fact, she was referred to by Sisko as "Old Man" on a regular basis. In
addition, this ridiculous script item allowed the Rick Berman Hollywood
Homosexuals to write into the script scenarios where Terry Farrell (a woman;
note how even the actress's name is sexually ambiguous) has affairs physically
with other women, such as with Susanna Thompson in the episode Rejoined.
Clearly, this homosexuality which had taken over the Star Trek franchise, was
killing it, since I am sure I am not the only guy who stopped watching Star
Trek product around this period.
Patrick Stewart as the elder statesman of the franchise at this point clearly
was intent, in the writing of these Saturday Night Live scripts, on denouncing
the Rick Berman Hollywood Homosexuals who took over the Star Trek franchise
in 1991 and who still have control of Star Trek content.
Here is Rick Berman encouraging homosexuals to pose him questions about
introducing Sodomy into the Star Trek scripts by interviewing with an obscure
homosexual publication in order to generate fake support for Sodomy on the
series. I doubt Roddenberry would even have talked to this rag.
http://www.webpan.com/dsinclair/braga2003.html
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| Re: What if JS is right? Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs and Organized [message #98443 ] |
Mi, 03 August 2005 01:16 |
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"John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> "jayembee" <jayembeenospam [at] snurcher.com> wrote:
>> ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>>> What if JS is right? Would it seriously change anything? Would it ruin
>>> the fun of watching the show, for example?
>>> Me, I have no problem with subversive subtexts. [...]
>> I don't either. The issue isn't whether Sodomy John is right about the subtext
>> or not. The issue is that he's using his theory to push his homophobic agenda.
>
> Why not level with the readers here:
OK.
> Do you support Sodomy on TV or not ?
Support it? In what way?
Do you mean do I want to see it?
Do you mean do I think it should be shown?
Do you mean do I not object to it?
What?
> Is it acceptable to have Sodomy symbolisms in regular TV science fiction series or not
> as far as you are concerned ?
Sure, why not? I can't say that I've ever run across any, though.
> Would you not agree that a failure to answer this question indicates that you are trying
> to play fellow members of these Newsgroups for Chumps ?
Yes, I would not agree.
-- jayembee
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| Re: What if JS is right? Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood HomosexualAd for Illegal Drugs and Organized [message #98446 ] |
Mi, 03 August 2005 01:22 |
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jayembee wrote:
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"jayembee" <jayembeenospam [at] snurcher.com> wrote:
>>
>>>ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>What if JS is right? Would it seriously change anything? Would it ruin
>>>>the fun of watching the show, for example?
>>>>Me, I have no problem with subversive subtexts. [...]
>>>
>>>I don't either. The issue isn't whether Sodomy John is right about the subtext
>>>or not. The issue is that he's using his theory to push his homophobic agenda.
>>
>>Why not level with the readers here:
>
>
> OK.
>
>
>>Do you support Sodomy on TV or not ?
>
>
> Support it? In what way?
>
> Do you mean do I want to see it?
>
> Do you mean do I think it should be shown?
>
> Do you mean do I not object to it?
>
> What?
>
>
>>Is it acceptable to have Sodomy symbolisms in regular TV science fiction series or not
>>as far as you are concerned ?
>
>
> Sure, why not? I can't say that I've ever run across any, though.
>
>
>>Would you not agree that a failure to answer this question indicates that you are trying
>>to play fellow members of these Newsgroups for Chumps ?
>
>
> Yes, I would not agree.
>
> -- jayembee
Is this a post about Jonathan Brandis? I'm too lazy to even skim it.
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| Re: What if JS is right? Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs and Organized [message #98451 ] |
Mi, 03 August 2005 03:29 |
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In our last episode,
<h8vve1926uc2t4pq9d60vbougd3o77244g [at] 4ax.com>, the lovely and
talented jayembee broadcast on alt.politics.homosexuality:
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Would you not agree that a failure to answer this question indicates that you are trying
>> to play fellow members of these Newsgroups for Chumps ?
> Yes, I would not agree.
Oh shit! I just realized who "John Shocked" is.
Having been around the block with JS a couple of times, I
decided I could not in good conscience continue to respond in a
circular argument that was cross-posted to so many irrelvant
newsgroups. I make a single exception to that policy in order
to inform anyone who might still be interested of whom they are
dealing with.
John Shocked is without a doubt Fred Cherry, a '90s Usenet
legendary troll. Here is one of several pages giving the
background on him:
Linkname: The Fred Cherry Story : Anatomy of Hatred (at Yahoo/Geocities)
URL: <http://www.geocities.com/commonsense666atlast/cherry.html>
--
Lars Eighner eighner [at] io.com http://www.larseighner.com/
I don't see posts from or threads started from googlegroups.
It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
- Alfred Adler
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| Re: What if JS is right? Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs and Organized [message #100656 ] |
Mi, 03 August 2005 17:54 |
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message news:11er9n8h6dfna50 [at] news.supernews.com...
> ToolPackinMama wrote:
>> <<Alan Asherman -- You created STAR TREK, and your name is known all over the world. How does it feel?
>> GR -- I feel, as I wake up every morning, "I hope today isn't the day they find me out."
>> AA -- Can you recall the first thing you thought about when you conceived STAR TREK?
>> GR -- I guess it was the thought that under the terrible restrictions of television it might be a way I could infiltrate my
>> ideas, and that's what it's been all the time.>>
>> [Gene Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek]
>> About the hidden messages in Star Trek:
>> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/roddenberry-4.mp3
>> Found here:
>> http://www.trekology.com/?p=28#more-28
> << We [the interviewers] tell Gene [Roddenberry] something of our recent interview with Bill [Shatner] and Leonard [Nimoy] -
> touching on the Kirk-Spock relationship, and Nimoy's feeling that Kirk was essential to Spock's life:
> "I know you've told us you designed that relationship as 'Two halves which come together to make a whole'. Is that how you still
> see it?"
> [Roddenberry]: "Oh yes. As I've said, I definitely designed it as a love relationship..."
> [From: Shatner: Where No Man...: The Authorized Biography of William Shatner (Chapter 7 - Page 145]
Nothing in those tapes of Gene Roddenberry about Sodomy.
They have to do with governments and war and mass murder.
Things that Hollywood Homosexuals Neo-Conservatives are doing,
Mass Murdering Arabs/Moslems in the Middle East, while supporting
Sodomy everywhere.
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| Re: What if JS is right? Re: BSG Fragged - Hollywoood Homosexual Ad for Illegal Drugs and Organized [message #100664 ] |
Mi, 03 August 2005 23:46 |
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I'll never know another Lars Eighner like Lars Eighner in
alt.politics.homosexuality, they're so drad:
> In our last episode, the lovely and talented jayembee broadcast on
> alt.politics.homosexuality:
>> "John Shocked" wrote:
>
>>> Would you not agree that a failure to answer this question indicates
>>> that you are trying to play fellow members of these Newsgroups for
>>> Chumps ?
>
>> Yes, I would not agree.
>
> Oh shit! I just realized who "John Shocked" is.
>
> Having been around the block with JS a couple of times, I
> decided I could not in good conscience continue to respond in a
> circular argument that was cross-posted to so many irrelvant
> newsgroups. I make a single exception to that policy in order
> to inform anyone who might still be interested of whom they are
> dealing with.
>
> John Shocked is without a doubt Fred Cherry, a '90s Usenet
> legendary troll. Here is one of several pages giving the
> background on him:
>
> Linkname: The Fred Cherry Story : Anatomy of Hatred (at Yahoo/Geocities)
> URL: <http://www.geocities.com/commonsense666atlast/cherry.html>
"Oh shit!" is right. I thought he'd left usenet behind...
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