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Miscellaneous / Verschiedenes » de.alt.fan.ipod » importing music
| importing music [message #88261] |
Fr, 22 Juli 2005 09:46 |
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Hi all
I want to download my cd collection on to my itunes and then on to my new
ipod. As the main use for my ipod will be to replace my cd player which is
connected to my amplifier, I want to download it at a better quality than
the custom download so that the difference between a cd and ipod sound will
be minimal..
Can someone give me some advice on how best to do this. In itunes you have
edit, preferences, importing and then importing using....and the
setting..... All cds are normal cds purchased from a store.
Any advice would be appreciated - in laymen's terms please.
Thanks
Warren
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| Re: importing music [message #90994 ] |
Fr, 22 Juli 2005 15:26 |
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warren wrote:
> I want to download my cd collection on to my itunes and then on to my new
> ipod. As the main use for my ipod will be to replace my cd player which is
> connected to my amplifier, I want to download it at a better quality than
> the custom download so that the difference between a cd and ipod sound will
> be minimal..
Hi Warren,
there are several important things to be aware of in your situation. You
will have to find out a few things about you and your ears, as well as
your desires regarding comfort, quality & organization. After this
little effort things will be much easier though, you will be able to use
iTunes more up to its potential - it's worth it ;)
I will try to keep things as simple as possible but please do ask if
something is not clear.
- The general level of quality:
Depending on your HiFi-system an iPod, even when used with the line-out
connector from the Apple Dock (do you have one?) or a SIK DIN or
Sendstation PocketDock line-out adaptor may not live up to the
soundquality of a standalone CD-Player, especially a good CD-Player This
is due to several factors such as general component quality &
powersupply. Depending on your ears, this may or may not be an issue. Be
sure to use a line-out option and at least a decent interconnect cable
(see the cable section on head-fi.org for discussion on good value for
money cable) to hook it up. Do not use the iPod's headphone-out.
- The space issue:
How big is the HD inside your iPod, and how big is the one currently
used in your computer? How many CDs do you have? Do you want them *all*
on the iPod, or rather a selection?
-> If you have plenty of space and are not willing to compromise on
quality, you want to set iTunes "encode with" to "Apple Lossless
Encoder" (ALAC). ALAC offers a lossless compression (like a ZIP file)
and usually gets the files down to about 60% of their original size. In
playback there is *no difference* between this and the original CD. This
takes oodles of space, and depending on your number of CDs you may want
to buy as big an external Harddrive (with FireWire or USB2 connectors)
as you can afford and set iTunes' preferences to store the music there.
-> If you do have space issues, don't want to buy more storage, or just
want as much music on the iPod as possible, you may want to experiment
with the AAC format. Set iTunes to encode with AAC and also select a
datarate, the higher datarate the better the sound the more space it
takes. AAC is a lossy codec, meaning it cuts information from the signal
in order to save space. This is done according to sophisticated
psycho-acoustic models, many people hardly notice a difference to CD
even at low datarates. AAC is considered to be superior to MP3.
-> If I were you, I would take a number of tracks I know by heart and do
a comparison in a relaxed mood. Encode the tracks to several formats,
ALAC, AAC 320kbps, AAC 256kbps, or even less if you like. Listen &
compare. For more neutral results, have a second person select the
tracks for you, so you don't know what quality level you are currently
listening to. While listening, concentrate on bass precision and
extension, the amount of detail in the highs (cymbals eg), as well as
the width and depth of the perceived stereo image and the precision of
that image (assuming your speakers are set up in a way that actually
allows for a stereo image to be created...).
-> If HD-space on your computer is really not an issue, but you want as
much music as possible on your iPod try the following method. It allows
you to have a maximum amount of music on the iPod while still
maintaining a maximum quality backup/library of your music on your computer.
1. Encode all your music to ALAC as explained above. Be sure that your
computer has internet access so you get all the track information from
CDDB automatically. Have the little "enable error correction" box ticked
in the preferences where you set iTunes to ALAC.
....hours, days or weeks later...
2. Now set up a new playlist in iTunes (the "+" button on the lower
left) and drag in the music you want on the iPod.
3. Now set iTunes to the level of AAC compression you found okay to
listen to.
4. Now select all tracks in your playlist.
5. Right-click.
6. Select "convert choice to AAC". All your chosen tracks will be
converted to AAC at the level of quality you chose (this takes a while),
the original ALAC files remain unharmed. Yet you will not see those new
AAC tracks in your playlist.
7. Now alt-click the "+" symbol in order to create a "smart playlist"
(it will turn into a little cogwheel when pressing "alt"). A menue will
pop up asking you for criteria.
8. Set the first chooser to "datarate", the second one to "is", then
enter the datarate you chose in 3.
9. Make sure "update automatically" is ticked.
10. Click "ok".
11. Boom, this list will now *always* hold all the tracks you convert to
AAC. You can see on the bottom middle of iTunes whether the amount of
data exeeds the capacity of your iPod.
11b. You may also auto-limit the amount of data in this smart playlist
by using the "maximum" option in the popup-menue from 7 and set it to
the capacity of your iPod.
12. Connect your iPod & select it in iTunes.
13. Use iTunes iPod preferences (iPod button, lower right) to tell it
only to automatically synchronize the smart playlist you have just
created. Synchronize!
You're done for now, but you can do more:
14. Go to iTunes library. Make sure it shows all tracks you have (select
"all artists" and "all albums" from the overview).
15. Should iTunes not display the datarate of the tracks in a column,
select "Apperance options" from the "Edit" menue (command+j on Macs) and
tick "datarate" to make it do so.
16. Sort your library by datarate. Since all your tracks converted to
AAC have the same datarate, you can now find them easily among the ALAC
encoded files which tend to have crude and variable datarates.
17. Once you have done 16, you will be able to delete AAC tracks
manually from your library. These tracks will then no longer be
synchronized to the iPod since once they are deleted they cannot make
their way into the smart playlist you set up in 7+.
If you are fine with having less music on the iPod and do not want to
trade in quality, just set up a playlist with the music you want on the
iPod and have it sync that, skip all the AAC conversion stuff. You will
also find that smart playlists are a powerful tool for organizing your
music, the little round "+" button in the smart playlist popup allows
you to add many many stages of filtering according to different
criteria. For example, iTunes will also sync the playcounts of your
tracks as well as the ratings (if you gave them any) and you can filter
using that data. You can also set up a smart playlist that collects
music you added in a given time-frame, so you always know "what's new".
The possibilities are (almost) endless.
*phew* I hope you are not all dizzy now... and I did not even tell you
about what you can do if you skip the iPod for stationary use and buy an
AirPort Express station instead...
Enjoy,
Oliver :)
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| Re: importing music [message #91000 ] |
Fr, 22 Juli 2005 18:35 |
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warren wrote:
> Any advice would be appreciated
OK. Oliver gave us a very nice and comprehensive hi-tec version which
leaves very little to add. ;-)
Basically, this is what you do (using iTunes):
1. Use the Settings menu to select the bit rate and type of encoding
2. Put the CD in; iTunes will show Tracks 1 - n
3. Set the ID3-tags (usually by importing them from the CDDB database
via the internet which takes only a few seconds)
4. Press the big fat Import button
et voilà... your music is all 0 and 1 now
5. Getting the 0s and 1s onto the iPod is covered in layman's terms in
the manual. Go ahead, you won't break anything ;-)
Just a few remarks from a non-hifi person:
1. Depending on the speakers you are used to, encoding with bit rates
below 256 kbit/s might easily suffice. I do my stuff in 192 (variable
bit rate) which I find quite satisfactory but then I'm no youngster
anymore and my audio equipment is 20 year old and was never on the
geeky side to begin with. Apple *sell* their stuff from the iTunes
Music Store as 128 kbit/s AAC which most people don't seem to mind in
terms of quality. As Oliver said, you really should try this out
before you start ripping in earnest. Once you settle for your
preferred compression ratio, you can easily determine the amount of
disk space you'll need. If in doubt, go for higher quality, as disk
space gets cheaper by the minute.
2. I prefer MP3 over AAC for reasons of compatibility. If you ever
wish to exchange files with someone or use a non-Apple portable
player, life is much easier. Also, AAC is a proprietary format which
is a Bad Thing [TM]. YMMV.
3. I keep my music on an external (Firewire-) disk. That way I can
take it to other computers if need be and always have a spare OS boot
disk in case of emergency (not sure if this works with Windows too -
might depend on your hardware). It is also easier to replace.
4. Ripping hundreds of CDs is tedious work. If your CD drive is rather
slow, getting a new one might be worth your while.
5. Make sure you keep your ID3-tags complete and tidy from the start.
That will save time and frustration later on. (ID3 is the part of the
file containing meta data, like Artist, Title, Album etc. For
commercially available music these are available in all but the most
exotic cases via the CDDB database. iTunes has a menu item for this.
Sometimes they are a bit sloppy so it's best to review them before
importing.)
6. If your iPod is used on the go as well and you opt for high quality
encoding, get yourself a pair of adequate headphones.
Have fun!
Roman
--
"They misunderestimated me." - George W. Bush
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| Re: importing music [message #91001 ] |
Fr, 22 Juli 2005 19:17 |
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Hi,
In article <ot4ev00eay5y$.16r9a0lbxn6ag.dlg [at] 40tude.net>, Roman Figaj
<roman21 [at] t-online.de> wrote:
> Also, AAC is a proprietary format which
No, it is not. it's a standard. It's not even from apple.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding
Herwig
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| Re: importing music [message #91003 ] |
Sa, 23 Juli 2005 05:39 |
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Thanks Roman and oliver for your comments.
To be more specific, I have about 500 cds I want to dump on to my ipod. I
have a 40 gig ipod. I plan to take the bit rate up on the aac recording to
improve the sound from the standard 128 kbps.
Warren
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| Re: importing music [message #93205 ] |
Di, 26 Juli 2005 22:26 |
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Herwig Henseler <hh [at] ecce-terram.de> wrote:
> No, it is not. it's a standard. It's not even from apple.
<blush> Ah. Umm. Okay.
Sorry about posting misinformation.
Cheers
Roman
--
"They misunderestimated me." (George W. Bush)
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