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Science Fiction » alt.fan.douglas-adams » Quandary Phase Opinion
| Quandary Phase Opinion [message #83342] |
Mi, 20 Juli 2005 04:13 |
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Well, I'm a bit over half way through the CD of the Quandary Phase, and I'm
struggling to keep going. I'll finish it and hope it gets better. I guess
my option comes from the fact that he fourth and fifth books were - well -
books. There is so much that is visual that trying to fit it into a radio
broadcast makes it sound forced and hard to follow. Working descriptions
that were in the book into dialog or guide entries is difficult.
I loved the first three radio shows - I just re-listened to the first two
before moving onto the newer ones, and thought the third was really good as
well.
I must say I enjoyed the update about thinking that custom ringtones were a
pretty neat idea. I'm so sick of custom ringtones, yet I have several of my
own - different rings for different people calling. It's handy - it's
neat - how depressing.
-Kevin
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| Re: Quandary Phase Opinion [message #95932 ] |
Sa, 30 Juli 2005 15:16 |
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The only thing I didn't like about the BBC's Hitchhiker's Guide Quandary
Phase is Fenchurch's accent. What is that, Irish?
It is, however, based on the Hitchhiker's Guide book with the least amount
of actual storyline. The best thing about that book is the love story
between Authur and Fenny. The worst thing about it is the lack of plot. I
think the radio adaptation did about the best it could do with the source
material.
"Kevin Saliga" <ksaliga [at] emdat.com> wrote in message
news:11drcr11spk0155 [at] news.supernews.com...
> Well, I'm a bit over half way through the CD of the Quandary Phase, and
> I'm struggling to keep going. I'll finish it and hope it gets better. I
> guess my option comes from the fact that he fourth and fifth books were -
> well - books. There is so much that is visual that trying to fit it into
> a radio broadcast makes it sound forced and hard to follow. Working
> descriptions that were in the book into dialog or guide entries is
> difficult.
>
> I loved the first three radio shows - I just re-listened to the first two
> before moving onto the newer ones, and thought the third was really good
> as well.
>
> I must say I enjoyed the update about thinking that custom ringtones were
> a pretty neat idea. I'm so sick of custom ringtones, yet I have several
> of my own - different rings for different people calling. It's handy -
> it's neat - how depressing.
>
> -Kevin
>
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| Re: Quandary Phase Opinion [message #95934 ] |
Sa, 30 Juli 2005 15:25 |
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Lloyd Floyd wrote:
> The only thing I didn't like about the BBC's Hitchhiker's Guide
> Quandary Phase is Fenchurch's accent. What is that, Irish?
No, Lancashire (Northwest England). Twos econds search on imdb showed Jane
Horrocks is from there... though she can do a myriad voices (see "Little
Voice").
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Frankymole
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| Re: Quandary Phase Opinion [message #95935 ] |
Sa, 30 Juli 2005 15:26 |
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Lloyd Floyd wrote:
> The only thing I didn't like about the BBC's Hitchhiker's Guide
> Quandary Phase is Fenchurch's accent. What is that, Irish?
>
> It is, however, based on the Hitchhiker's Guide book with the least
> amount of actual storyline. The best thing about that book is the
> love story between Authur and Fenny. The worst thing about it is the
> lack of plot. I think the radio adaptation did about the best it
> could do with the source material.
Let's be fair, even DNA amditted he didn't attempt any plot in Hitchhikers
until book 3. And that (like the Dirk Gently books) was a reused Dr Who
script.
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Frankymole
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| Re: Quandary Phase Opinion [message #95940 ] |
Sa, 30 Juli 2005 19:36 |
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"Frankymole" <ask_for_it [at] on_the_group.com> wrote in message
news:dcfv66$7ch$1 [at] newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Lloyd Floyd wrote:
>> The only thing I didn't like about the BBC's Hitchhiker's Guide
>> Quandary Phase is Fenchurch's accent. What is that, Irish?
>>
>> It is, however, based on the Hitchhiker's Guide book with the least
>> amount of actual storyline. The best thing about that book is the
>> love story between Authur and Fenny. The worst thing about it is the
>> lack of plot. I think the radio adaptation did about the best it
>> could do with the source material.
>
> Let's be fair, even DNA admitted he didn't attempt any plot in Hitchhikers
> until book 3. And that (like the Dirk Gently books) was a reused Dr Who
> script.
> --
While I agree that plots weren't his strong point, the 1st three books all
have a lot going on: Authur & Ford's escape from the Earth, the destruction
of the Earth, being rescued by the Heart of Gold, finding Magrathea and
meeting Slartibartfast, going to the Restaurant at the End of the Universe,
ending up on prehistoric Earth, Zaphod meeting Zarniwoop and the ruler of
the Universe, Authur & Ford joining up with Slartibartfast and preventing a
resumption of the Krikkit War. There's a whole lot going on in the first
three books.
In contrast, the 4th book "So Long And Thanks For All The Fish" has very
little action in it at all. It's really just Authur returns to the Earth
and falls in love with Fenny. Nothing else really happens until the last
few chapters when the Spaceship shows up and they all leave to go see God's
Final Message. Even the mysterious reappearance of the Earth isn't
explained until the next book "Mostly Harmless" comes out.
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| Re: Quandary Phase Opinion [message #95951 ] |
So, 31 Juli 2005 13:33 |
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Lloyd Floyd wrote:
<snip>
> While I agree that plots weren't his strong point, the 1st three books all
> have a lot going on:
Okay, lets split it up book by book, admittedly it looks impressive when
all written in one blob.
Book 1:
> Authur & Ford's escape from the Earth, the destruction
> of the Earth, being rescued by the Heart of Gold, finding Magrathea and
> meeting Slartibartfast,
Okay, quite a few events. Admittedly, it's not much of a plot, since
each part is only loosely knitted together with the next, but since the
single sketches have always been the best part of Douglas Adams'
writing, it doesn't matter much.
Book 2:
> going to the Restaurant at the End of the Universe,
> ending up on prehistoric Earth, Zaphod meeting Zarniwoop and the ruler of
> the Universe,
Not much of a plot there, eh? Admittedly, you could also have mention
the B-Ark.
Book 3:
> Authur & Ford joining up with Slartibartfast and preventing a
> resumption of the Krikkit War.
This, being the book with most plot of the entire series if I'm any
judge, didn't really get much of a treatment, did it?
There's a whole lot going on in the first
> three books.
Well, yes.
> In contrast, the 4th book "So Long And Thanks For All The Fish" has very
> little action in it at all. It's really just Authur returns to the Earth
> and falls in love with Fenny. Nothing else really happens until the last
> few chapters when the Spaceship shows up and they all leave to go see God's
> Final Message. Even the mysterious reappearance of the Earth isn't
> explained until the next book "Mostly Harmless" comes out.
Interesting claim. Let's try to summaraize it with the same style you
did with the first books.
Arthur returns to Earth. Arthur meets Fenchurch, loses her, and finds
her again. Arthur and Fenchurch visit Wonko the Sane. Ford returns to
Earth. Arthur and Fenchurch see God's Final Message to His Creations.
See? Doesn't it seem as if just as much happens?
On the whole, I don't think there is significantly less plot in the 4th
book than in the first two. If anything, the 4th book shows itself to be
weaker because the individual jokes or sketches arent quite as polished
as Douglas Adams usually makes them. The reason is of course simple.
Douglas Adams was locked up in a hotel room and denied more than a small
number of baths until he finished the book. Every time he had finished a
page it was (or so it's said) literally taken away from him so he
couldn't rewrite it.
Personally, I still like the book a lot, but I guess I will have to
agree that there is bit more "fill" around the individual sketches, and
sometimes it's not as good as it could be.
Best
Kåre
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| Re: Quandary Phase Opinion [message #98666 ] |
Mi, 03 August 2005 00:56 |
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"Kaare Fiedler Christiansen" <news [at] kaarefc.dk> wrote in message
news:dcicts$sci$1 [at] domitilla.aioe.org...
> Lloyd Floyd wrote:
> On the whole, I don't think there is significantly less plot in the 4th
> book than in the first two. If anything, the 4th book shows itself to be
> weaker because the individual jokes or sketches arent quite as polished as
> Douglas Adams usually makes them. The reason is of course simple. Douglas
> Adams was locked up in a hotel room and denied more than a small number of
> baths until he finished the book. Every time he had finished a page it was
> (or so it's said) literally taken away from him so he couldn't rewrite it.
>
> Personally, I still like the book a lot, but I guess I will have to agree
> that there is bit more "fill" around the individual sketches, and
> sometimes it's not as good as it could be.
>
I was originally commenting more on the radio version of the books - I like
the books as a whole, but was listening to the radio series of quandary and
quint for the first time. After the first two parts, I was disappointed
with them, but I have to say I enjoyed the second half of the quandary phase
better. I felt the same going into the quint phase - it starts off very
confusing, but then smooths itself out. I just think that people not
familiar with the books would not catch onto the radio shows as well as the
first two shows, and probably because they were written for radio, not
adapted from books.
As a side note, I'm conflicted by the happy ending at the end of the quint
phase. My memory of the 5th book (which I only read once, when it first
came out) was that it ended with the Vogon's final destruction of Earth. I
think that brings better closure than the Babel fish saving everyone. If
the Babel fish was that good, no one would ever die.
-Kevin
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| Re: Quandary Phase Opinion [message #100842 ] |
Do, 04 August 2005 01:09 |
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Lloyd Floyd wrote:
> "Frankymole" <ask_for_it [at] on_the_group.com> wrote in message
> news:dcfv66$7ch$1 [at] newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> Lloyd Floyd wrote:
>>> The only thing I didn't like about the BBC's Hitchhiker's Guide
>>> Quandary Phase is Fenchurch's accent. What is that, Irish?
>>>
>>> It is, however, based on the Hitchhiker's Guide book with the least
>>> amount of actual storyline. The best thing about that book is the
>>> love story between Authur and Fenny. The worst thing about it is
>>> the lack of plot. I think the radio adaptation did about the best
>>> it could do with the source material.
>>
>> Let's be fair, even DNA admitted he didn't attempt any plot in
>> Hitchhikers until book 3. And that (like the Dirk Gently books) was
>> a reused Dr Who script.
>> --
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> While I agree that plots weren't his strong point, the 1st three
> books all have a lot going on: Authur & Ford's escape from the Earth,
> the destruction of the Earth, being rescued by the Heart of Gold,
> finding Magrathea and meeting Slartibartfast, going to the Restaurant
> at the End of the Universe, ending up on prehistoric Earth, Zaphod
> meeting Zarniwoop and the ruler of the Universe, Authur & Ford
> joining up with Slartibartfast and preventing a resumption of the
> Krikkit War. There's a whole lot going on in the first three books.
Set pieces, not plot!
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Frankymole
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| Re: Quandary Phase Opinion [message #100843 ] |
Do, 04 August 2005 01:13 |
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Kevin Saliga wrote:
> As a side note, I'm conflicted by the happy ending at the end of the
> quint phase. My memory of the 5th book (which I only read once, when
> it first came out) was that it ended with the Vogon's final
> destruction of Earth. I think that brings better closure than the
> Babel fish saving everyone. If the Babel fish was that good, no one
> would ever die.
Yes, they would! The Babel Fish takes about-to-die hosts to Milliways - but
if you haven't deposited one Altairian cent (or whatever) in a bank account
with compound interest in the distant past , you won't be able to pay the
fabulous cost of your meal when you arrive. So you'll starve to death (and
they probably remove your Babel Fish to stop you continuously coming back in
a bistromathic paradox).
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Frankymole
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