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Fantasy » alt.fan.tolkien » Re: Brits cancel satanic Harry Potter Day
| Re: Brits cancel satanic Harry Potter Day [message #82782] |
So, 17 Juli 2005 21:55 |
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BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <e6rid1tr2birc1flng49178qfnh934kh8h [at] 4ax.com>,
> RichA <none [at] none.com> wrote:
>
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lincolnshire/4682519.stm
>
> Have people just lost their minds worldwide? Since when is a fun book
> about wizards and magic "leading children to evil"? Even the Pope is
> chiming in with this nonsense too, saying Harry Potter "corrupts
> children into leaving behind Christianity and Christian values".
well, what was witchcraft about originally? it was about black magic,
communing with the dark side, with satan. so, from a christian
viewpoint, harry potter has legitimized dark and 'evil' practices.
now, suppose someone takes nazism and turns it into something innocuous
and fun. he removes all the anti-semitism and race-baiting, but
features a nazi school where kids have a great time learning cool nazi
magic and fun tricks. is this okay?
witchcraft is dark stuff. it was about using evil powers to kill and
corrupt or gain advantage thru devious means. now, i aint no christian.
and, one can argue that the concept of witch as a negative figure is
christian in origin. during pagan times, people with magical powers
were not necessarily deemed evil. 'witches' were medicine men, seers,
and even healers. in the pagan world, there was no transcendant
division of good vs. bad; among the pagan folk, morality was tribal and
crude.
when christianity arrived on the scene, it spread the notion of one god
and higher morality arising from a single source for ALL men. all men
and women were to adhere to these universal laws. from this christian
universal transcendant perspective, the pagan rituals and practices
were dark, tribal, animalistic, barbaric, and such. and, indeed, many
of pagan beliefs and sacrifices--animal and human sacrifices, weird
mind-altering concoctions, and stuff--were truly gruesome and weird.
of course, christians also did bad stuff, but much of this was merely
christians adopting pagan methods; a kind of cultural syncretism took
place where christians used pagan practices against pagans, burning
witches like pagan folks had routinely burned people deemed bad for the
community or to placate the gods.
so, for some people 'harry potter' isn't so harmless as it seems. they
see it as concealing something genuinely dark and sick about
witchcraftery. in the same vein, though 'song of the south' seems fun
and harmless, alot of blacks see it as concealing and romanticizing the
slave south. same accusation has been leveled at 'gone with the wind'
which makes us feel nostalgic for them old times of chivalry and
nobility. but, what do these films suppress or romanticize?
so, the same applies to harry potter books which make witchcraftery
into something fun and wonderful. but, is witchcraft fun and wonderful?
if harry potter had simply been about a school of where kids are taught
special tricks, magic, or whatever, there would be less of a fuss. but,
many people are understandably upset by making witchcraft fun.
ask yourself, what is witchcraft really? it's about something dark and
even evil. it's about abandoning either christian or rational values
and seeking the occult, the demonic, the diabolical.
indeed, in our anti-scientific and rational age when kids ignore
science lessons and instead seek knowledge thru tarot card readers,
gypsies with glass balls, astrologists, and new age mumbo jumbo,
rationalists should be also be upset that kids are being drawn into
this world of harry potter hocus-pocusery. of course, fundamentalists
christians are also responsible for anti-scientism, especially in the
areas of evolution and certains forms of research.
anyway, secular people should be wary of potterism too for it parallels
our obsession--not least among adults who should know better--with the
occult, irrational, and weird, all of which has been commercialized
into lucrative professions whereby new age hacks rake in billions of
dollars from morons.
also, when harry potter gives us witchcraftery that's fun and harmless,
it's an affront to both christianity and witchcraftery. both
christians and real pagans should be upset by rowling's turning
something dark and disturbing into kids' meal at macdonalds.
it's like a recent controversy in the US. some guy came up with a
lollipop with the flavor of marijuana. now, there was no real marijuana
in it, and i suppose one could say it's just candy, so what's the harm?
but, what does it do? it trivializes the hippie culture which some
people are serious and passionate about. it also trivializes the danger
of kids using drugs. yes, on one level, it's just a piece of candy,
but seen in the cultural context it's much more.
same goes with che guevara, the harry potter among stupid leftists.
guevara has become a kind of capitalist label of hipness and coolness,
but do people know what he really stood for? he was a stalinist and he
wanted shoot nukes at miami and NY city during the cuban missile
crisis. indeed, he was upset that khrushchev sued for peace instead of
nuking the yankees.
or, take the current fascination with gangsters who are routinely
romanticized in the urban black community and in the white community.
we have gangsta rap. is it just music and funning around, all this
songs about 'niggaz' and 'murder' and 'mayhem'?
as great as the godfather is, doesn't it romanticize the world of
no-good thieving scum? doesn't sopranos make people identify a bit too
closely with thugs and killers? is it JUST a movie? just a TV show?
just entertainment?
same with harry potter. it exists in a cultural and historical context.
the concept of witchcraft isn't all fun and games. witchcraft and the
occult have attracted alot of evil people. also, to combat witchcraft,
christians have done awful things. it's not just monkey business,
indeed never was.
personally, i don't care for witchcraft because i find it aesthetically
zero. some hag dressed in black and riding a broomstick. boring.
>
> Maybe I'm just looking back with rose-colored glasses but I don't
> remember any of this kind of hysteria when I was a kid growing up. Popes
> weren't speaking out against the demonic influence of "The Wizard of Oz"
> and churches weren't issuing advisories to parents about the Satanic
> influence of "I Dream of Jeannie" or "Bewitched" or warning not to let
> your kid go trick-or-treating 'cause it's one step above devil worship.
> They were seen for what they were: fun stories and activities for kids
> (and adults) to have a laugh over.
in wizard of oz, the main witch is evil. sure, there is a good witch,
but the main witches--east and west--are bad, bad, bad. also, the
wizard turns out to be a bullshitter. and dorothy longs to go home and
she finds more true love and meaning in manureville than in oz. so,
wizard of oz's message is that while imagination and fantasy are great
things in a child, the child must land back on her feet and love real
people and the real world. indeed, the figures she saw in her fantasy
of oz were archetypes of real people in the real world. wizard of oz
says if you look at reality closely, it's full of color and heroes and
arch-villains and love and adventure and music.
harry potter, on the other hand, encourages kids to totally lose
themselves in the fantasy world. it's a one-way ticket or the roach
motel; kids check in but they don't check out.
also, wizard of oz is a truly great great work of art, something you
can't say for harry potter books or movies which are crass moneysucking
enterprises. indeed, rowling is both the witch and wizard ripping off
kids and their parents. her army of publishing and promotional flying
monkeys have taken over the world and are abducting the real capacity
for imagination among kids.
also, there was only ONE 'wizard of oz'. harry potter keeps coming and
coming off the assembly line, invading and invading, colonizing and
colonizing, cloning and cloning. it's sad that kids and parents
haven't seen thru the b.s. by now.
maybe we are living in a celebrity culture where if someone becomes big
and popular, we wanna maintain the aura of 'greatness' indefinitely.
so, oprah has been turned into superduper ultra-wise mammy woman. so,
donald trump the scumbum is hailed as the genius tycoon of all time.
so, muhammad ali wasn't only a great boxer but one of the finest
noblest human beings that ever lived. so rush limbaugh has his clone of
dittoheads. mindless and slavish drones we've all become.
the sad thing about potter phenom is that harry isn't even real but a
fictional character--virtual celebrity?--, a dorkyass kid at that.
also, this slavish devotion is targeted at kids who are just beginning
to read. so impressionable kibblers are filled mush from the very
start.
also, never mind the pope and, yes, some hysterical christian fundies.
i don't know why secular adults refuse to look at this phenom with
clearer heads and see it for what it is: crass commercialization of
child entertainment industry and conformization of imagination among
kids.
as for 'i dream of jimmie' and 'bewitched', they were comedies aimed at
adults. it was all for laughs. same with 'hogan's heroes'. yes, it has
funny nazis--were real-life nazis so funny?--but, adults understand
stuff like this and see it for what it is.
but, imagine a kind of 'hogan's heroes' children's books for kids where
kids are introduced to nazis who are mainly fun and even lovable in
their ineptness? not so funny.
>
> Frankly, if I had a kid, I just be happy he/she was interested in
> putting down the Nintendo or the DVD remote long enough to read a book.
the problem is harry potter books are the literary equivalent of
nintendo games. it pulls kids into some generic, plastic, and
manufactured fantasy world which serves as an escape from reality to an
alternative world.
wizard of oz and alice in wonderland pulled kids into strange places to
bring them back out to reality with fuller understanding and
appreciation of reality. i'll bet every kid is delighted when dorothy
comes back home and is with her family, friends and smelly pigs again.
but, pottheads wanna be stuck in alternate reality with its magic
tricks forever and ever. they are like the jack nicholson in 'the
shining'. they don't ever wanna leave, and they have no inkling of
what dark forces are really controlling and moneypulating their souls.
rowling is a crass greedy bitchwitch woman, and she has the world by
its balls. she is the maconalds, bill gates, and hollywood of
children's entertainment. and, the forces-that-be in publishing love
her cuz they don't have to worry about offering kids something truly
original, inspirational, poetic, or beautiful. all they need do is
promote rowling like the latest variation of McRib or the latest
windows software. and kids are hooked.
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