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Fantasy » alt.fan.tolkien » Barahir's Ring.
| Barahir's Ring. [message #79619] |
Do, 14 Juli 2005 23:32 |
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First off, does everyone agree that Barahir's Ring was the greatest
historical heirloom still remaining in Middle Earth during the third
age? It has more significance than Glamdring, the White Tree, the
Palantiri, and the Three Rings combined. A lot of people went through
a lot of bull to get that thing through the ages, and it's the most
powerful symbol of the friendship between Men and Elves. Even the
Silmarils didn't see as much play, although obviously they are second
only to the Two Trees in significance.
Secondly, does it seem unlikely to anyone that this item should have
made it all the way to Aragorn? If I were Elwing, I would have given
it to Earendil to help him drive home the point that he was in Valinor
on behalf of both kindreds. Certainly someone there would have
recognized the thing. But instead it goes to one of the twins, and it
just happens to be Elros. Then it gets passed off as a consolation
prize for the throne of Numenor so that it can conveniently pass out of
the "royal line" and eventually come to Elendil. Finally, Arvedui
pawns it off to some dudes who save his life. Man, when someone saves
your life, you give them your right arm or your firstborn; you don't
toss them the Ring of Barahir!! And finally it somehow ends up back at
Rivendell:
"Hey Shards of Narsil, how's it hangin?"
"Hey! Ring of Barahir! Haven't seen you in ages! Well, one anyway."
"Yeah, it's been a while. Whatcha been up to?"
"I'm just sitting here waiting for the King to come again."
"Sweet. Mind if I wait with you?"
"Nah, that's cool."
But I will say one thing. Aragorn scored an ace when he gave it it to
Arwen. (When he gave the RING to Arwen.) That's how you get chicks to
give up their immortality; give em the Ring of Barahir. That ring
helped two guys pick up hot elven ladies. Tuor must've been some kind
of stud to close the deal without it.
-Fingolfinon-
"Insert witty sig here."
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| Re: Barahir's Ring. [message #79622 ] |
Fr, 15 Juli 2005 00:38 |
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Fingolfinon wrote:
[snip]
Secondly, does it seem unlikely to anyone that this item should have
made it all the way to Aragorn? If I were Elwing, I would have given
it to Earendil to help him drive home the point that he was in Valinor
on behalf of both kindreds. Certainly someone there would have
recognized the thing. But instead it goes to one of the twins, and it
just happens to be Elros. Then it gets passed off as a consolation
prize for the throne of Numenor so that it can conveniently pass out of
the "royal line" and eventually come to Elendil. Finally, Arvedui
pawns it off to some dudes who save his life. Man, when someone saves
your life, you give them your right arm or your firstborn; you don't
toss them the Ring of Barahir!! And finally it somehow ends up back at
Rivendell:
[snip]
The Ring of Barahir was the greatest symbol of the friendship between
the Edain and the Eldar, a gift from an Elf to one of the Edain, so I
find it very fitting that it remained in the possession of descendants
of the human branch of the Half-Elven.
=D6jevind
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| Re: Barahir's Ring. [message #99427 ] |
Di, 02 August 2005 15:24 |
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fingolfinon <fingolfinon [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
: First off, does everyone agree that Barahir's Ring was the greatest
: historical heirloom still remaining in Middle Earth during the third
: age? It has more significance than Glamdring, the White Tree, the
: Palantiri, and the Three Rings combined. A lot of people went through
: a lot of bull to get that thing through the ages, and it's the most
: powerful symbol of the friendship between Men and Elves. Even the
: Silmarils didn't see as much play, although obviously they are second
: only to the Two Trees in significance.
:
: Secondly, does it seem unlikely to anyone that this item should have
: made it all the way to Aragorn? If I were Elwing, I would have given
: it to Earendil to help him drive home the point that he was in Valinor
: on behalf of both kindreds. Certainly someone there would have
: recognized the thing. But instead it goes to one of the twins, and it
: just happens to be Elros. Then it gets passed off as a consolation
: prize for the throne of Numenor so that it can conveniently pass out of
: the "royal line" and eventually come to Elendil. Finally, Arvedui
: pawns it off to some dudes who save his life. Man, when someone saves
: your life, you give them your right arm or your firstborn; you don't
: toss them the Ring of Barahir!! And finally it somehow ends up back at
: Rivendell:
:
: "Hey Shards of Narsil, how's it hangin?"
: "Hey! Ring of Barahir! Haven't seen you in ages! Well, one anyway."
: "Yeah, it's been a while. Whatcha been up to?"
: "I'm just sitting here waiting for the King to come again."
: "Sweet. Mind if I wait with you?"
: "Nah, that's cool."
:
: But I will say one thing. Aragorn scored an ace when he gave it it to
: Arwen. (When he gave the RING to Arwen.) That's how you get chicks to
: give up their immortality; give em the Ring of Barahir. That ring
: helped two guys pick up hot elven ladies. Tuor must've been some kind
: of stud to close the deal without it.
:
: -Fingolfinon-
I have to say that I get a bad taste when I see the Tale of Years
declare that Aragorn gave the Ring of Barahir to Arwen (I don't
think it says so anywhere else and I vaguely hope the chronicler
made a mistake).To me,an heirloom of the House is above being any
individual's engagement ring.Just as Windsor Castle is annexed to
the British Crown,not to any incumbent thereof as a person,it
shouldn't be possible for the key heirlooms (the Sceptre of Annuminas
is of not much less significance) to pass from the hands of whoever
is the head of the House.Per Unifnished Tales Aragorn certainly paid
proper respect to the true Elendilmir,why not to the Ring of Barahir?
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
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| Re: Barahir's Ring. [message #99440 ] |
Di, 02 August 2005 23:11 |
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Louis Epstein <le [at] main.put.com> wrote:
<snip>
> I have to say that I get a bad taste when I see the Tale of Years
> declare that Aragorn gave the Ring of Barahir to Arwen (I don't
> think it says so anywhere else and I vaguely hope the chronicler
> made a mistake).
I don't get a bad taste, but I did find it a bit surprising. As you say,
I thought the ancestry of the object made it an heirloom to be handed
down. To be fair, this is probably what happened to it anyway. It is
still in the family, and Arwen doubtless handed it down to her children.
But would it have gone to Eldarion or to the eldest daughter?
> To me,an heirloom of the House is above being any
> individual's engagement ring.Just as Windsor Castle is annexed to
> the British Crown,not to any incumbent thereof as a person,it
> shouldn't be possible for the key heirlooms (the Sceptre of Annuminas
> is of not much less significance) to pass from the hands of whoever
> is the head of the House. Per Unfinished Tales Aragorn certainly paid
> proper respect to the true Elendilmir,why not to the Ring of Barahir?
Maybe to explain this, you have to remember that the Aragorn-Arwen story
was special to Tolkien. It was a retelling of the Luthien-Beren story,
which was inspired in part by his own story, the story of Ronald and
Edith. So for Tolkien, this gift of the Ring from Aragorn to Arwen is a
great honour, rather than a failure to respect the ancestry of the Ring
of Barahir.
Either that, or it is a way of symbolising the reunion of the sundered
lines of the Half-Elven. Arwen, like Aragorn, is a descendent of Elwing
(who was the grand-daughter of Beren), and could be seen to have the
same right to this heirloom as Aragorn.
In essence then, the gift of this ancient heirloom, the Ring of Barahir,
from Aragorn to Arwen, symbolises both the personal union of Aragorn and
Arwen, and the union of the sundered lines of the Half-Elven.
Christopher
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| Re: Barahir's Ring. [message #110481 ] |
So, 14 August 2005 16:59 |
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> In essence then, the gift of this ancient heirloom, the Ring of Barahir,
> from Aragorn to Arwen, symbolises both the personal union of Aragorn and
> Arwen, and the union of the sundered lines of the Half-Elven.
>
I think this is also the completion on the circle which is necesary in any
good story. By giving the ring to Arwen he is passing the ring back to
where it came from. The Ring of Barahir was the ring of Finrod, brother of
Galadriel, grandmother of Arwen.
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