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Marry! [message #79004] Di, 12 Juli 2005 13:57
NSH  
in Harry Potter 7 harry will mary with hermione it's true...........
Re: Marry! [message #79005 ] Di, 12 Juli 2005 14:03
NSH  
Excuseme (in Harry Potter 7 harry will marry with hermione it's
true........... )
Re: Marry! [message #79006 ] Di, 12 Juli 2005 14:38
Line Platz Sheridan  
"NSH" wrote:
> Excuseme (in Harry Potter 7 harry will marry with hermione it's
> true........... )
>

I find this very hard to believe, as book 7 hasn't been written yet.

Also, JKR has hinted that Ron and Hermione will be an item. Not very likely
for Harry to steal his best friends girlfriend.

Line
Re: Marry! [message #79025 ] Di, 12 Juli 2005 18:14
Louis Epstein  
Line Platz Sheridan <sheridan [at] paradis.dk> wrote:
:
: "NSH" wrote:
:> Excuseme (in Harry Potter 7 harry will marry with hermione it's
:> true........... )
:>
:
: I find this very hard to believe, as book 7 hasn't been written yet.

Well,she has started it,I think...;)

: Also, JKR has hinted that Ron and Hermione will be an item. Not very likely
: for Harry to steal his best friends girlfriend.
:
: Line

Not very appropriate for a leading lady to wind up with
a sidekick instead of the hero either!

We don't know if Ron and Hermione will both survive
book 7 either...

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Re: Marry! (Hermione's feelings) [message #79049 ] Di, 12 Juli 2005 19:33
Max Wilson  
Line Platz Sheridan wrote:
> Also, JKR has hinted that Ron and Hermione will be an item. Not very likely
> for Harry to steal his best friends girlfriend.

I just don't think there's any chemistry there. Hermione is clearly
fond of Ron, and it's even possible that she is/was attracted to him at
some point, but if so she's clearly gotten over it just as Ginny has
gotten over Harry.

"Because Cho spends half her time crying these days," said Hermione
vaguely. "She does it at mealtimes, in the loos, alll over the place."

"You'd think a bit of kissing would cheer her up," said Ron,
grinning.

"Ron," said Hermione in a dignified voice, dipping the point of her
quill into her ink pot, "you are the most insensitive wart I have ever
had the misfortune to meet."

[snip: How Cho is feeling. Cedric & Harry conflict, afraid she'll be
thrown off the Quidditch team.]

A slightly stunned silence greeted the end of this speech, then Ron
said, "One person can't feel all that at once, they'd explode."

"Just because you've got the emotional range of a teaspoon doesn't
mean we all have," said Hermione nastily, picking up her quill again.

This is not the kind of thing you say to a guy you're crushing on. She
didn't just say he was _insensitive_ (i.e. to her hypothetical feelings
for him), she said he wasn't _capable_ of complex feelings. This is
right after Cho just kissed Harry in the DA room, and she's pretty
wound up--writing an enormous letter to Viktor, trying to act really
neutral to Harry and Ron--she's feeling a lot of conflicting emotions
herself and so she takes Ron's dismissal of feelings personally. If she
ever was attracted to Ron, this kind of thing would highlight the
differences in their respective emotional maturity levels and thus kill
the attraction pretty quickly. But it makes a lot more sense to me that
she's conflicted because she's jealous (she grew up thinking of herself
as the "smart, ugly girl" even though she's not now) and is ashamed of
that jealousy because Harry's her friend. Harry's never shown the
slightest overt interest in her--he viewed the "Harry and Hermione"
gossip in GoF with nothing but bemusement--and so she wants to be happy
for him about Cho but she's also feeling bad about herself.

Or look at her reaction to the Christmas presents.

On their way downstairs they met Hermione. "Thanks for the book,
Harry! I've been wanting that New Theory of Numerology for ages! And
that perfume is really unusual, Ron."

"No problem," said Ron.

Wait a minute! If a girl likes a boy, and he gives her perfume for
Christmas, what's her reaction going to be? (Even if he manages to
choose a totally goofy odor.) He's just affirmed her femininity--she's
going to be thrilled! "Thank you so much for the perfume, Ron! It's
just exactly what I've been wanting!" But instead she musters up a
pleasant, "That perfume is really unusual, Ron." She appreciates the
thought but would probably rather die than wear it; fortunately Ron
seems to miss the implication. He really is thick, emotionally. Maybe
Harry _did_ just happen to select the thing she wanted more, but her
reaction is also consistent with getting a present you like from
someone you really care for.

(I'm NOT saying that Hermione doesn't care for Ron. But Harry was her
first friend at Hogwarts and he's special to her--this isn't all about
romance either, which is why she gets conflicted about Cho.)

One more random piece of data. When Harry shows up at No. 12 Grimmauld
Place, Hermione throws herself onto him "in a hug that nearly knocked
him flat" and squeezes him for a whole paragraph.

"HARRY! Ron, he's here, Harry's here! We didn't hear you arrive! Oh,
how /are/ you? Are you all right? Have you been furious with us? I bet
you have, I know our letters were useless--but we couldn't tell you
anything, Dumbledore made us swear we wouldn't, oh we've so much to
tell you, and you've got to tell us--the dementors! When we heard--and
that Ministry hearing--it's just outrageous, I've looked it all up,
they can't expel you, they just can't, there's provision in the Decree
for the Restriction of Underage Sorcery for the use of magic in
life-threating situations--" [Ron interrupts and she finally lets go,
beaming.]

Harry wonders what Ron and Hermione have been doing together all summer
without him. What do you want to bet Hermione spends a lot of time
talking about Harry? (She doesn't do it onstage, of course, but Viktor
in GoF certainly seems to hear a lot about Harry from her...)

Max Wilson
Re: Marry! (Hermione's feelings) [message #79075 ] Di, 12 Juli 2005 23:05
Alex Walters  
They suvive. its not lickly one of the three main characters is going to
die, it would kill the end of the series

"Max Wilson" <wilson.max [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1121189636.538714.206990 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Line Platz Sheridan wrote:
>> Also, JKR has hinted that Ron and Hermione will be an item. Not very
>> likely
>> for Harry to steal his best friends girlfriend.
>
> I just don't think there's any chemistry there. Hermione is clearly
> fond of Ron, and it's even possible that she is/was attracted to him at
> some point, but if so she's clearly gotten over it just as Ginny has
> gotten over Harry.
>
> "Because Cho spends half her time crying these days," said Hermione
> vaguely. "She does it at mealtimes, in the loos, alll over the place."
>
> "You'd think a bit of kissing would cheer her up," said Ron,
> grinning.
>
> "Ron," said Hermione in a dignified voice, dipping the point of her
> quill into her ink pot, "you are the most insensitive wart I have ever
> had the misfortune to meet."
>
> [snip: How Cho is feeling. Cedric & Harry conflict, afraid she'll be
> thrown off the Quidditch team.]
>
> A slightly stunned silence greeted the end of this speech, then Ron
> said, "One person can't feel all that at once, they'd explode."
>
> "Just because you've got the emotional range of a teaspoon doesn't
> mean we all have," said Hermione nastily, picking up her quill again.
>
> This is not the kind of thing you say to a guy you're crushing on. She
> didn't just say he was _insensitive_ (i.e. to her hypothetical feelings
> for him), she said he wasn't _capable_ of complex feelings. This is
> right after Cho just kissed Harry in the DA room, and she's pretty
> wound up--writing an enormous letter to Viktor, trying to act really
> neutral to Harry and Ron--she's feeling a lot of conflicting emotions
> herself and so she takes Ron's dismissal of feelings personally. If she
> ever was attracted to Ron, this kind of thing would highlight the
> differences in their respective emotional maturity levels and thus kill
> the attraction pretty quickly. But it makes a lot more sense to me that
> she's conflicted because she's jealous (she grew up thinking of herself
> as the "smart, ugly girl" even though she's not now) and is ashamed of
> that jealousy because Harry's her friend. Harry's never shown the
> slightest overt interest in her--he viewed the "Harry and Hermione"
> gossip in GoF with nothing but bemusement--and so she wants to be happy
> for him about Cho but she's also feeling bad about herself.
>
> Or look at her reaction to the Christmas presents.
>
> On their way downstairs they met Hermione. "Thanks for the book,
> Harry! I've been wanting that New Theory of Numerology for ages! And
> that perfume is really unusual, Ron."
>
> "No problem," said Ron.
>
> Wait a minute! If a girl likes a boy, and he gives her perfume for
> Christmas, what's her reaction going to be? (Even if he manages to
> choose a totally goofy odor.) He's just affirmed her femininity--she's
> going to be thrilled! "Thank you so much for the perfume, Ron! It's
> just exactly what I've been wanting!" But instead she musters up a
> pleasant, "That perfume is really unusual, Ron." She appreciates the
> thought but would probably rather die than wear it; fortunately Ron
> seems to miss the implication. He really is thick, emotionally. Maybe
> Harry _did_ just happen to select the thing she wanted more, but her
> reaction is also consistent with getting a present you like from
> someone you really care for.
>
> (I'm NOT saying that Hermione doesn't care for Ron. But Harry was her
> first friend at Hogwarts and he's special to her--this isn't all about
> romance either, which is why she gets conflicted about Cho.)
>
> One more random piece of data. When Harry shows up at No. 12 Grimmauld
> Place, Hermione throws herself onto him "in a hug that nearly knocked
> him flat" and squeezes him for a whole paragraph.
>
> "HARRY! Ron, he's here, Harry's here! We didn't hear you arrive! Oh,
> how /are/ you? Are you all right? Have you been furious with us? I bet
> you have, I know our letters were useless--but we couldn't tell you
> anything, Dumbledore made us swear we wouldn't, oh we've so much to
> tell you, and you've got to tell us--the dementors! When we heard--and
> that Ministry hearing--it's just outrageous, I've looked it all up,
> they can't expel you, they just can't, there's provision in the Decree
> for the Restriction of Underage Sorcery for the use of magic in
> life-threating situations--" [Ron interrupts and she finally lets go,
> beaming.]
>
> Harry wonders what Ron and Hermione have been doing together all summer
> without him. What do you want to bet Hermione spends a lot of time
> talking about Harry? (She doesn't do it onstage, of course, but Viktor
> in GoF certainly seems to hear a lot about Harry from her...)
>
> Max Wilson
>
Re: Marry! [message #79080 ] Di, 12 Juli 2005 23:59
Therese  
and ron marries moaning Myrtle
"NSH" <lordpotter2005 [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1121169459.264799.123660 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> in Harry Potter 7 harry will mary with hermione it's true...........
and ron marries moaning Myrtle LOL

>
Re: Marry! (Hermione's feelings) [message #79082 ] Mi, 13 Juli 2005 00:02
Therese  
Why not, JKR has already said she dosent want to write any more Harry books,
if Harry is Dead, no more books..... all tied up in a neat little package
"Alex Walters" <Alex.Walters1 [at] btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:db1bb3$ahf$1 [at] nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> They suvive. its not lickly one of the three main characters is going to
> die, it would kill the end of the series
>
> "Max Wilson" <wilson.max [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1121189636.538714.206990 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Line Platz Sheridan wrote:
>>> Also, JKR has hinted that Ron and Hermione will be an item. Not very
>>> likely
>>> for Harry to steal his best friends girlfriend.
>>
>> I just don't think there's any chemistry there. Hermione is clearly
>> fond of Ron, and it's even possible that she is/was attracted to him at
>> some point, but if so she's clearly gotten over it just as Ginny has
>> gotten over Harry.
>>
>> "Because Cho spends half her time crying these days," said Hermione
>> vaguely. "She does it at mealtimes, in the loos, alll over the place."
>>
>> "You'd think a bit of kissing would cheer her up," said Ron,
>> grinning.
>>
>> "Ron," said Hermione in a dignified voice, dipping the point of her
>> quill into her ink pot, "you are the most insensitive wart I have ever
>> had the misfortune to meet."
>>
>> [snip: How Cho is feeling. Cedric & Harry conflict, afraid she'll be
>> thrown off the Quidditch team.]
>>
>> A slightly stunned silence greeted the end of this speech, then Ron
>> said, "One person can't feel all that at once, they'd explode."
>>
>> "Just because you've got the emotional range of a teaspoon doesn't
>> mean we all have," said Hermione nastily, picking up her quill again.
>>
>> This is not the kind of thing you say to a guy you're crushing on. She
>> didn't just say he was _insensitive_ (i.e. to her hypothetical feelings
>> for him), she said he wasn't _capable_ of complex feelings. This is
>> right after Cho just kissed Harry in the DA room, and she's pretty
>> wound up--writing an enormous letter to Viktor, trying to act really
>> neutral to Harry and Ron--she's feeling a lot of conflicting emotions
>> herself and so she takes Ron's dismissal of feelings personally. If she
>> ever was attracted to Ron, this kind of thing would highlight the
>> differences in their respective emotional maturity levels and thus kill
>> the attraction pretty quickly. But it makes a lot more sense to me that
>> she's conflicted because she's jealous (she grew up thinking of herself
>> as the "smart, ugly girl" even though she's not now) and is ashamed of
>> that jealousy because Harry's her friend. Harry's never shown the
>> slightest overt interest in her--he viewed the "Harry and Hermione"
>> gossip in GoF with nothing but bemusement--and so she wants to be happy
>> for him about Cho but she's also feeling bad about herself.
>>
>> Or look at her reaction to the Christmas presents.
>>
>> On their way downstairs they met Hermione. "Thanks for the book,
>> Harry! I've been wanting that New Theory of Numerology for ages! And
>> that perfume is really unusual, Ron."
>>
>> "No problem," said Ron.
>>
>> Wait a minute! If a girl likes a boy, and he gives her perfume for
>> Christmas, what's her reaction going to be? (Even if he manages to
>> choose a totally goofy odor.) He's just affirmed her femininity--she's
>> going to be thrilled! "Thank you so much for the perfume, Ron! It's
>> just exactly what I've been wanting!" But instead she musters up a
>> pleasant, "That perfume is really unusual, Ron." She appreciates the
>> thought but would probably rather die than wear it; fortunately Ron
>> seems to miss the implication. He really is thick, emotionally. Maybe
>> Harry _did_ just happen to select the thing she wanted more, but her
>> reaction is also consistent with getting a present you like from
>> someone you really care for.
>>
>> (I'm NOT saying that Hermione doesn't care for Ron. But Harry was her
>> first friend at Hogwarts and he's special to her--this isn't all about
>> romance either, which is why she gets conflicted about Cho.)
>>
>> One more random piece of data. When Harry shows up at No. 12 Grimmauld
>> Place, Hermione throws herself onto him "in a hug that nearly knocked
>> him flat" and squeezes him for a whole paragraph.
>>
>> "HARRY! Ron, he's here, Harry's here! We didn't hear you arrive! Oh,
>> how /are/ you? Are you all right? Have you been furious with us? I bet
>> you have, I know our letters were useless--but we couldn't tell you
>> anything, Dumbledore made us swear we wouldn't, oh we've so much to
>> tell you, and you've got to tell us--the dementors! When we heard--and
>> that Ministry hearing--it's just outrageous, I've looked it all up,
>> they can't expel you, they just can't, there's provision in the Decree
>> for the Restriction of Underage Sorcery for the use of magic in
>> life-threating situations--" [Ron interrupts and she finally lets go,
>> beaming.]
>>
>> Harry wonders what Ron and Hermione have been doing together all summer
>> without him. What do you want to bet Hermione spends a lot of time
>> talking about Harry? (She doesn't do it onstage, of course, but Viktor
>> in GoF certainly seems to hear a lot about Harry from her...)
>>
>> Max Wilson
>>
>
>
Re: Marry! [message #79102 ] Mi, 13 Juli 2005 02:40
Notifier Deamon  
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
Re: Marry! (Hermione's feelings) [message #79114 ] Mi, 13 Juli 2005 03:12
Louis Epstein  
Therese <tcundy [at] optusnet.com.au> wrote:
: Why not, JKR has already said she dosent want to write any more Harry books,
: if Harry is Dead, no more books..... all tied up in a neat little package

And Ron dying would make Harry & Hermione more logical,
even if all the R/H 'shippers started practicing necromancy
in a fit of pique...

: "Alex Walters" <Alex.Walters1 [at] btopenworld.com> wrote in message
: news:db1bb3$ahf$1 [at] nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
:> They suvive. its not lickly one of the three main characters is going to
:> die, it would kill the end of the series
:>
:> "Max Wilson" <wilson.max [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
:> news:1121189636.538714.206990 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
:>> Line Platz Sheridan wrote:
:>>> Also, JKR has hinted that Ron and Hermione will be an item. Not very
:>>> likely
:>>> for Harry to steal his best friends girlfriend.
:>>
:>> I just don't think there's any chemistry there. Hermione is clearly
:>> fond of Ron, and it's even possible that she is/was attracted to him at
:>> some point, but if so she's clearly gotten over it just as Ginny has
:>> gotten over Harry.
:>>
:>> "Because Cho spends half her time crying these days," said Hermione
:>> vaguely. "She does it at mealtimes, in the loos, alll over the place."
:>>
:>> "You'd think a bit of kissing would cheer her up," said Ron,
:>> grinning.
:>>
:>> "Ron," said Hermione in a dignified voice, dipping the point of her
:>> quill into her ink pot, "you are the most insensitive wart I have ever
:>> had the misfortune to meet."
:>>
:>> [snip: How Cho is feeling. Cedric & Harry conflict, afraid she'll be
:>> thrown off the Quidditch team.]
:>>
:>> A slightly stunned silence greeted the end of this speech, then Ron
:>> said, "One person can't feel all that at once, they'd explode."
:>>
:>> "Just because you've got the emotional range of a teaspoon doesn't
:>> mean we all have," said Hermione nastily, picking up her quill again.
:>>
:>> This is not the kind of thing you say to a guy you're crushing on. She
:>> didn't just say he was _insensitive_ (i.e. to her hypothetical feelings
:>> for him), she said he wasn't _capable_ of complex feelings. This is
:>> right after Cho just kissed Harry in the DA room, and she's pretty
:>> wound up--writing an enormous letter to Viktor, trying to act really
:>> neutral to Harry and Ron--she's feeling a lot of conflicting emotions
:>> herself and so she takes Ron's dismissal of feelings personally. If she
:>> ever was attracted to Ron, this kind of thing would highlight the
:>> differences in their respective emotional maturity levels and thus kill
:>> the attraction pretty quickly. But it makes a lot more sense to me that
:>> she's conflicted because she's jealous (she grew up thinking of herself
:>> as the "smart, ugly girl" even though she's not now) and is ashamed of
:>> that jealousy because Harry's her friend. Harry's never shown the
:>> slightest overt interest in her--he viewed the "Harry and Hermione"
:>> gossip in GoF with nothing but bemusement--and so she wants to be happy
:>> for him about Cho but she's also feeling bad about herself.
:>>
:>> Or look at her reaction to the Christmas presents.
:>>
:>> On their way downstairs they met Hermione. "Thanks for the book,
:>> Harry! I've been wanting that New Theory of Numerology for ages! And
:>> that perfume is really unusual, Ron."
:>>
:>> "No problem," said Ron.
:>>
:>> Wait a minute! If a girl likes a boy, and he gives her perfume for
:>> Christmas, what's her reaction going to be? (Even if he manages to
:>> choose a totally goofy odor.) He's just affirmed her femininity--she's
:>> going to be thrilled! "Thank you so much for the perfume, Ron! It's
:>> just exactly what I've been wanting!" But instead she musters up a
:>> pleasant, "That perfume is really unusual, Ron." She appreciates the
:>> thought but would probably rather die than wear it; fortunately Ron
:>> seems to miss the implication. He really is thick, emotionally. Maybe
:>> Harry _did_ just happen to select the thing she wanted more, but her
:>> reaction is also consistent with getting a present you like from
:>> someone you really care for.
:>>
:>> (I'm NOT saying that Hermione doesn't care for Ron. But Harry was her
:>> first friend at Hogwarts and he's special to her--this isn't all about
:>> romance either, which is why she gets conflicted about Cho.)
:>>
:>> One more random piece of data. When Harry shows up at No. 12 Grimmauld
:>> Place, Hermione throws herself onto him "in a hug that nearly knocked
:>> him flat" and squeezes him for a whole paragraph.
:>>
:>> "HARRY! Ron, he's here, Harry's here! We didn't hear you arrive! Oh,
:>> how /are/ you? Are you all right? Have you been furious with us? I bet
:>> you have, I know our letters were useless--but we couldn't tell you
:>> anything, Dumbledore made us swear we wouldn't, oh we've so much to
:>> tell you, and you've got to tell us--the dementors! When we heard--and
:>> that Ministry hearing--it's just outrageous, I've looked it all up,
:>> they can't expel you, they just can't, there's provision in the Decree
:>> for the Restriction of Underage Sorcery for the use of magic in
:>> life-threating situations--" [Ron interrupts and she finally lets go,
:>> beaming.]
:>>
:>> Harry wonders what Ron and Hermione have been doing together all summer
:>> without him. What do you want to bet Hermione spends a lot of time
:>> talking about Harry? (She doesn't do it onstage, of course, but Viktor
:>> in GoF certainly seems to hear a lot about Harry from her...)
:>>
:>> Max Wilson
:>>
:>
:

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Re: Marry! (Hermione's feelings) [message #79143 ] Mi, 13 Juli 2005 06:01
ThePhoenixEffect  
I agree. I have doubts about Ron/Hermione at least on Hermione's side
because of her actions in OoTP.

J.K. Rowling's favorite author is Jane Austen, especially her
novel,<i>Emma</i>, and the book that she said that had the most
influence on Harry Potter was <i>The Little White Horse</I>.

After reading some Jane Austen (Pride and Prejudice/Emma) and The
Little White Horse, I find it very difficult to believe why JKR would
write Ron/Hermione.

BTW, a comic illustration of the Post-Cho Kiss scene can be found here:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/runeharmonic/
Re: Marry! (Hermione's feelings) [message #79144 ] Mi, 13 Juli 2005 06:01
ThePhoenixEffect  
I agree. I have doubts about Ron/Hermione at least on Hermione's side
because of her actions in OoTP.

J.K. Rowling's favorite author is Jane Austen, especially her
novel,<i>Emma</i>, and the book that she said that had the most
influence on Harry Potter was <i>The Little White Horse</I>.

After reading some Jane Austen (Pride and Prejudice/Emma) and The
Little White Horse, I find it very difficult to believe why JKR would
write Ron/Hermione.

BTW, a comic illustration of the Post-Cho Kiss scene can be found here:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/runeharmonic/
Re: Marry! [message #81193 ] Fr, 15 Juli 2005 12:15
Deevo  
"NSH" <lordpotter2005 [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1121169459.264799.123660 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> in Harry Potter 7 harry will mary with hermione it's true...........
>
Well assuming for just a moment that this isn't a fairly ordinary attempt at
a lame troll we face a couple of obvious problems here. Firstly, even
though I'm fairly sure the ultimate decision on who'll live, die and pair up
is pretty well decided by Jo I doubt that knowledge will be made public till
the release of book seven.

Secondly, and I'll undoubtably attract flames from some of the more rabid
shipper types out there for saying this, short of a major characher change
in either or both Harry and Hermione the chances of them becoming a couple
are prertty slim, they are simply too incompatable to be romantically
attracted to one another. I don't say it's impossible, just highly unlikely
IMO.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm
Re: Marry! (Hermione's feelings) [message #81194 ] Fr, 15 Juli 2005 12:26
Deevo  
"ThePhoenixEffect" <ThePhoenixEffect [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1121223899.003920.178100 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I agree. I have doubts about Ron/Hermione at least on Hermione's side
> because of her actions in OoTP.
>
Can you specify? She was certainly quite protective and helpful toward
Harry in the book but it would be fair to say she's been that way toward him
from day dot. Of the two boys it's safe to say that Harry is certainly in
more need of help and protection so this could really only come down to
friendship.

> J.K. Rowling's favorite author is Jane Austen, especially her
> novel,<i>Emma</i>, and the book that she said that had the most
> influence on Harry Potter was <i>The Little White Horse</I>.
>
> After reading some Jane Austen (Pride and Prejudice/Emma) and The
> Little White Horse, I find it very difficult to believe why JKR would
> write Ron/Hermione.

I'm not familiar with the Austin works, can you give me a brief summary
perhaps.

Personally I can't see a Hermione and Harry romance coming forward, but if
it were to I'm sure Jo can write it in such a manner that it'll make perfect
sense. As romance is hardly the primary focus of the books I don't doubt
I'll enjoy the remaining two regardless.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm
Re: Marry! (Hermione's feelings) [message #81211 ] Fr, 15 Juli 2005 17:21
Max Wilson  
Deevo wrote:
> "ThePhoenixEffect" <ThePhoenixEffect [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1121223899.003920.178100 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >I agree. I have doubts about Ron/Hermione at least on Hermione's side
> > because of her actions in OoTP.
> >
> Can you specify? She was certainly quite protective and helpful toward
> Harry in the book but it would be fair to say she's been that way toward him
> from day dot. Of the two boys it's safe to say that Harry is certainly in
> more need of help and protection so this could really only come down to
> friendship.

Have you noticed the physical interaction between Harry and Hermione?
It's been going up for the past few books.

Statistics taken from
http://talk.portkey.org/index.php?s=aecf5c1b1628fa46e5153352 76303fc2&showtopic=10200&st=30

Interaction words:
brush, bump
catch, clasp, clench, clinch, cling, clung, clutch
drag
embrace, elbow
grab, grasp, graze, grip, grope
haul, hold, hug
kiss
massage
nudge
pat, peck, pull, push, poke
seize, shake, snatch, squeeze, stroke
touch, tug
wrench

[begin table]
--------------------------Ootp------Gof------Poa------Cos--- ---Ps------total
Hermione-> harry------14----------8--------9---------0---------2------- -33
Harry-> Hermione------12----------2--------2---------1---------1---- ----18
total---------------------26---------10------11---------1--- ------3--------51

Ron-> Harry-------------4----------3---------3---------3---------1 ---------14
Harry-> Ron-------------2----------3---------1---------2---------2-- -------10
total---------------------6----------6---------4---------5-- -------3---------24

Hermione-> Ron--------2----------1---------2---------0---------0------- --5
Ron-> Hermione--------0----------1---------0---------0---------0-- -------1
total---------------------2----------2---------2----------0- --------0--------6

Harry-> Ginny----------0----------0---------0----------2---------0-- -------2
Ginny-> harry-----------0----------0---------0----------0---------0- --------0
total---------------------0----------0---------0----------2- --------0---------2

Cho-> Harry------------3---------0----------0----------0---------0 ----------3
Harry-> Cho-------------0---------0---------0----------0---------0-- --------0
total---------------------3---------0----------0----------0- --------0----------3

Krum-> Hermione-------0---------2---------------------------------- -------2
Hermione-> Krum-------0---------0-------------------------------------- ---0
total----------------------0---------2---------------------- -------------------2

Hermione->Harry shows the number of interaction initiated from Hermione
towards Harry.
[end table]

Not only is there four times as much physical interaction in OOTP
between Hermione and Harry as between Ron and Harry (and eight times as
much as between Ron and Hermione), but it's been building steadily for
the last several books. Statistics on eye contact are similar. Note as
well that Harry initiates contact about as often as Hermione; it's a
balanced relationship. Harry isn't extraordinarily self-aware in terms
of his feelings--e.g. when Hermione "knocks him flat" with a hug at the
beginning of OOTP, he gets a warm glow inside but isn't aware of it (it
isn't mentioned in the text until it goes away, a page later)--so it's
not surprising that the text never comments on the touching. Still, he
always notices what her eyes are doing (bright, shining with tears,
narrowed) much more than any other character. Basically, Harry feels
closer to Hermione than to anyone else, without consciously realizing
it. You can argue about whether that's romantic or platonic closeness,
if you're the kind of person who believes there's a difference between
the two. But there isn't any of this chemistry between Hermione and
Ron. A match there is less likely IMHO than Hermione having no match at
all.

I've always wondered why nobody talks about Ron and Luna. She certainly
seems to have a thing for him--she thinks his Goyle joke is hilarious
beyond all out of proportion to its actual amusement value, and she's
always watching him--at least in a teenager sense.

Max Wilson
Re: Marry! (Hermione's feelings) [message #81218 ] Fr, 15 Juli 2005 17:37
Joe Curwen  
In article <1121440900.177145.230160 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Max Wilson
says...
>
<<SNIP>>
>

>brush, bump
>catch, clasp, clench, clinch, cling, clung, clutch
>drag
>embrace, elbow
>grab, grasp, graze, grip, grope
>haul, hold, hug
>kiss
>massage
>nudge
>pat, peck, pull, push, poke
>seize, shake, snatch, squeeze, stroke
>touch, tug
>wrench


This is about the dirtiest post I have ever read. Please bear in mind that there
are CHILDREN who also read this group.

--
Joe
Re: Marry! (Hermione's feelings) [message #81219 ] Fr, 15 Juli 2005 17:34
Joe Curwen  
In article <42d79989 [at] quokka.wn.com.au>, Deevo says...
>
>"ThePhoenixEffect" <ThePhoenixEffect [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1121223899.003920.178100 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

<<SNIP>>
>
>> J.K. Rowling's favorite author is Jane Austen, especially her
>> novel,<i>Emma</i>, and the book that she said that had the most
>> influence on Harry Potter was <i>The Little White Horse</I>.
>>
>> After reading some Jane Austen (Pride and Prejudice/Emma) and The
>> Little White Horse, I find it very difficult to believe why JKR would
>> write Ron/Hermione.
>
>I'm not familiar with the Austin works, can you give me a brief summary
>perhaps.

PhoenixEffect comes up with a pretty good point here. You can see something of
both Pride and Prejudice and Emma in the Harry Potter series.

In PaP, you have a vain, arrogant jerk of a guy who falls for a particular girl.
This girl, unlike all the other girls this guy knows, doesn't fall at his feet
and doesn't return his affections. So he changes himself to become worthy of
her. She overcomes her initial conceptions of him as he does so, and in the end
they marry.

Sound familiar? It is, in broad strokes, the story of James and Lily's romance,
I think.

In Emma, you got a guy and a girl who are friends. They always tease each other,
always quick to point out each other's mistakes and flaws. The words hurt though
- the girl comes to realize that his words of criticism hits home with her in a
way that nobody else's do. This makes her angry, makes her uncomfortable, but in
the end it makes her a better person. She finally realizes that she loves him
when she can't bring herself to set him up with another girl.

The OP says this describes, or will describe Harry and Hermione, but I think it
describes Ron and Hermione.

HTH

--
Joe
Re: Marry! (Hermione's feelings) [message #81228 ] Fr, 15 Juli 2005 19:21
Max Wilson  
Joe Curwen wrote:
> In article <1121440900.177145.230160 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Max Wilson
> says...
> >
> <<SNIP>>
> >
>
> >brush, bump
> >catch, clasp, clench, clinch, cling, clung, clutch
> >drag
> >embrace, elbow
> >grab, grasp, graze, grip, grope
> >haul, hold, hug
> >kiss
> >massage
> >nudge
> >pat, peck, pull, push, poke
> >seize, shake, snatch, squeeze, stroke
> >touch, tug
> >wrench
>
>
> This is about the dirtiest post I have ever read. Please bear in mind that there
> are CHILDREN who also read this group.

Excuse me? There's nothing dirty in the above except in your own mind.
These are all the words used in the text search of JKR's books, which
are also read by CHILDREN.

I'm certain I'm being trolled...

Max Wilson
Engaged spoiler [message #81291 ] Sa, 16 Juli 2005 05:59
Therese  
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Bill is marrying Phlem oops i mean fleur delacour
Re: Marry! (Hermione's feelings) [message #81330 ] Sa, 16 Juli 2005 11:18
Rakina  
Just wanted to back you up on this one, Max.
I never read such utter rubbish in my life as the criticism you got!
If those words are filthy, then Jo Rowling's work is filthy (though no
doubt some religious extremists of various types would agree with
that).
People like the poster should be excluded from the group because
they're incapable of civilised rational debate.
Sue.

Max Wilson wrote:
> Joe Curwen wrote:
> > In article <1121440900.177145.230160 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Max Wilson
> > says...
> > >
> > <<SNIP>>
> > >
> >
> > >brush, bump
> > >catch, clasp, clench, clinch, cling, clung, clutch
> > >drag
> > >embrace, elbow
> > >grab, grasp, graze, grip, grope
> > >haul, hold, hug
> > >kiss
> > >massage
> > >nudge
> > >pat, peck, pull, push, poke
> > >seize, shake, snatch, squeeze, stroke
> > >touch, tug
> > >wrench
> >
> >
> > This is about the dirtiest post I have ever read. Please bear in mind that there
> > are CHILDREN who also read this group.
>
> Excuse me? There's nothing dirty in the above except in your own mind.
> These are all the words used in the text search of JKR's books, which
> are also read by CHILDREN.
>
> I'm certain I'm being trolled...
>
> Max Wilson
Re: Marry! (Hermione's feelings) [message #101522 ] Mi, 03 August 2005 19:53
consul  
Joe Curwen wrote:
> In article <1121440900.177145.230160 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Max Wilson
> <<SNIP>>
>>brush, bump
>>catch, clasp, clench, clinch, cling, clung, clutch
>>drag
>>embrace, elbow
>>grab, grasp, graze, grip, grope
>>haul, hold, hug
>>kiss
>>massage
>>nudge
>>pat, peck, pull, push, poke
>>seize, shake, snatch, squeeze, stroke
>>touch, tug
>>wrench
> This is about the dirtiest post I have ever read. Please bear in mind that there
> are CHILDREN who also read this group.

How did "snog" not make this list?!?!?!
--
"... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For within these Trials, we
shall do what needs to be done."
--till next time, Jameson Stalanthas Yu -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>
Re: Marry! (Hermione's feelings) [message #101532 ] Mi, 03 August 2005 20:08
NINADSE  
Joe Curwen wrote:
> In article <42d79989 [at] quokka.wn.com.au>, Deevo says...
> >
> >"ThePhoenixEffect" <ThePhoenixEffect [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1121223899.003920.178100 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> <<SNIP>>
> >
> >> J.K. Rowling's favorite author is Jane Austen, especially her
> >> novel,<i>Emma</i>, and the book that she said that had the most
> >> influence on Harry Potter was <i>The Little White Horse</I>.
> >>
> >> After reading some Jane Austen (Pride and Prejudice/Emma) and The
> >> Little White Horse, I find it very difficult to believe why JKR would
> >> write Ron/Hermione.
> >
> >I'm not familiar with the Austin works, can you give me a brief summary
> >perhaps.
>
> PhoenixEffect comes up with a pretty good point here. You can see something of
> both Pride and Prejudice and Emma in the Harry Potter series.
>
> In PaP, you have a vain, arrogant jerk of a guy who falls for a particular girl.
> This girl, unlike all the other girls this guy knows, doesn't fall at his feet
> and doesn't return his affections. So he changes himself to become worthy of
> her. She overcomes her initial conceptions of him as he does so, and in the end
> they marry.
>
> Sound familiar? It is, in broad strokes, the story of James and Lily's romance,
> I think.
>
> In Emma, you got a guy and a girl who are friends. They always tease each other,
> always quick to point out each other's mistakes and flaws. The words hurt though
> - the girl comes to realize that his words of criticism hits home with her in a
> way that nobody else's do. This makes her angry, makes her uncomfortable, but in
> the end it makes her a better person. She finally realizes that she loves him
> when she can't bring herself to set him up with another girl.
>
> The OP says this describes, or will describe Harry and Hermione, but I think it
> describes Ron and Hermione.
>
> HTH
>
> --
> Joe

Joe, every word you post just makes me love you more. I would also add
that in Emma, it's only when Emma believes that Mr. Knightley is headed
toward a match with Harriet that Emma fully realizes how much she loves
him (hello, Ron and Lavander?).

Remember also Hermione's reaction to Harry FINALLY kissing Ginny.
Hermione positively beams, which is a strange reaction indeed if the
H/H shippers are correct.
Re: Marry! [message #103843 ] Sa, 06 August 2005 07:26
marli_0000  
I think Ron is going to propose to Hermione in Book 7.

Marli.
Re: Marry! [message #104130 ] So, 07 August 2005 04:01
NINADSE  
marli_0000 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> I think Ron is going to propose to Hermione in Book 7.
>
> Marli.

Hey, let's at least start with an "Oi, Hermy! Kiss me, already!"
Re: Marry! [message #104138 ] So, 07 August 2005 05:21
marli_0000  
I didn't say "when" in book 7. :) I think it's possible that he
could go from being the "least experienced" of the trio to being the
first one to marry. His Mum and Dad got married early, so why not?

I figure that their first kiss will happen between the books, and
Hermione might be the one to initiate things. (she kissed him in OotP)
Bill and Fleur's wedding will take place fairly early on in the book,
and they're old enough to toast the newlyweds with something stronger
than butterbeer....


I can see why Ron's attracted to Hermione. What I don't quite see is
why she would be attracted to him. He seems to me to be the "nice guy"
girls don't see as boyfriend material.

Unless she's been harboring a crush on him since he knocked out the
troll in Book 1.
Re: Marry! [message #104186 ] So, 07 August 2005 11:16
Phil Turner  
In <1123384900.084526.123300 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "marli_0000 [at] hotmail.com" <marli_0000 [at] hotmail.com> writes:

>I didn't say "when" in book 7. :) I think it's possible that he
>could go from being the "least experienced" of the trio to being the
>first one to marry. His Mum and Dad got married early, so why not?

>I figure that their first kiss will happen between the books, and
>Hermione might be the one to initiate things. (she kissed him in OotP)
>Bill and Fleur's wedding will take place fairly early on in the book,
>and they're old enough to toast the newlyweds with something stronger
>than butterbeer....


>I can see why Ron's attracted to Hermione. What I don't quite see is
>why she would be attracted to him. He seems to me to be the "nice guy"
>girls don't see as boyfriend material.

> Unless she's been harboring a crush on him since he knocked out the
>troll in Book 1.

Before that, possibly, since it was because of his comments that
she was crying in the toilets in the first place.

--
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Re: Marry! [message #104295 ] So, 07 August 2005 19:28
NINADSE  
marli_0000 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> I can see why Ron's attracted to Hermione. What I don't quite see is
> why she would be attracted to him. He seems to me to be the "nice guy"
> girls don't see as boyfriend material.

I married one of those "nice" red-haired boys myself, and couldn't be
happier about it. Hermione lives in books, while Ron couldn't be more
in the "real" world if he stapled himself to the grass. There's a very
nice balance between the two. Even the fact that Ron is constantly
challenging her logic actually helps Hermione, because it forces her to
solidify her argument and tie off any loose ends.

Ron is also one of those boys who is almost universally liked by his
contemporaries - he fits in well, and has sort of an easy personality.
Hermione is not a very good "mixer", and I'm sure his casual (and
successful) way of relating to others is also attractive to her. Ron
is also very, very stable, and unlikely to go off on freakish starts.
Re: Marry! (Hermione's feelings) [message #252881 ] Mi, 19 April 2006 06:50
Sky Rider  
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 10:53:50 -0700, ~consul
<consul [at] INVALIDdolphins-cove.com> looked at Ron with an evil Grint in
his eye and said :

>Joe Curwen wrote:
>> In article <1121440900.177145.230160 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Max Wilson
>> <<SNIP>>

>> This is about the dirtiest post I have ever read. Please bear in mind that there
>> are CHILDREN who also read this group.

>How did "snog" not make this list?!?!?!

There was a long thread last year about what 'snogging' actually
meant.... our Yankee cousins were mystified iirc :D

Oh... hang on.... this *is* that thread!! Geez... has it been *that*
long since I posted here last??
--

You *can* make money on the net!

Visit http://www.blogme.arpss
.... and look in Beginners Corner.
Re: Marry! (Hermione's feelings) [message #253030 ] Fr, 21 April 2006 20:35
Phil  
Don't tell me "snog" is making the yanks get all upright (snigger) and
righteous !
What about the word "shag" (not the unknown-anywher-outside-USA dance, by
the way) ?
Fall a'faint ? ;-)

"Sky Rider" <home [at] therange.com> wrote in message
news:e1gb42lhi0u9mds8ttv7pd2getslrkv0lt [at] 4ax.com...
> On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 10:53:50 -0700, ~consul
> <consul [at] INVALIDdolphins-cove.com> looked at Ron with an evil Grint in
> his eye and said :
>
>>Joe Curwen wrote:
>>> In article <1121440900.177145.230160 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Max
>>> Wilson
>>> <<SNIP>>
>
>>> This is about the dirtiest post I have ever read. Please bear in mind
>>> that there
>>> are CHILDREN who also read this group.
>
>>How did "snog" not make this list?!?!?!
>
> There was a long thread last year about what 'snogging' actually
> meant.... our Yankee cousins were mystified iirc :D
>
> Oh... hang on.... this *is* that thread!! Geez... has it been *that*
> long since I posted here last??
> --
>
> You *can* make money on the net!
>
> Visit http://www.blogme.arpss
> ... and look in Beginners Corner.
Re: Marry! (Hermione's feelings) [message #253050 ] Sa, 22 April 2006 00:35
Deevo  
"Phil" <phil_k [at] lycos.co.uk> wrote in message
news:WB92g.294699$zk4.20507 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Don't tell me "snog" is making the yanks get all upright (snigger) and
> righteous !
> What about the word "shag" (not the unknown-anywher-outside-USA dance, by
> the way) ?
> Fall a'faint ? ;-)

Yes, quite amusing isn't it. The British have such charming euphamisms.
--
Deevo
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