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Omni Magazine Article [message #78792] Mi, 13 Juli 2005 00:30
Dill Harper  
Around about 1980, Omni magazine published an article in which the
author argued that dragons really did exist. At the time I was struck by
the logic of many points made. I would like to find a copy of the
article to use as a teaching tool. Anyone know of it? Thanks.
Re: Omni Magazine Article [message #78793 ] Mi, 13 Juli 2005 01:02
Zarris  
Dill Harper wrote:
> Around about 1980, Omni magazine published an article in which the
> author argued that dragons really did exist. At the time I was struck by
> the logic of many points made. I would like to find a copy of the
> article to use as a teaching tool. Anyone know of it? Thanks.

did a quick search to find it seems thier official site has been
hijacked to point to a p0rn site (least thats what it looks like to
me)... see other legimate results pointing to the same site...

.... nevermind.. that /is/ their site... omni is just a scientific
spinoff of what appears to be a p0rn publisher? how odd...

either way,, didnt find anything exactly as you described (one
mentioned a dragon in passing thought to the actual point). (and theirs
nothing on their site either)

--
Zarris
(being rare)
Re: Omni Magazine Article [message #78794 ] Mi, 13 Juli 2005 03:49
Draco18s  
In article <h4CdnSfipr4Q2UnfRVn-vg [at] adelphia.com>, dill280 [at] yahoo.com says...
> Around about 1980, Omni magazine published an article in which the
> author argued that dragons really did exist. At the time I was struck by
> the logic of many points made. I would like to find a copy of the
> article to use as a teaching tool. Anyone know of it? Thanks.

I found a copy, how much is the original article, I don't know.
Pulled from: http://www.astroamerica.com/t-drag.html

------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------
So long as we're here, we'll pass along the best theory we ever heard about
the possibility of actual dragons, which, as we recall, was in an old copy
of Omni magazine:

According to the article, dragons were creatures with hugely overdeveloped
stomachs. Since stomachs produce hydrochloric acid & this acid breaks down
into hydrogen gas, this meant that dragons were essentially giant lighter-
than-air gas bags.

Well, dragons couldn't just go & burp out excess gas the way we do - if the
hydrogen ignited, they'd go up like the Hindenburg. So dragons ignited &
burnt the gas as they vented it, in a controlled fashion, which was seen by
terrified townsfolk as fire breathing.

From this also came the myth that swords plunged into a dragon melted. It's
the natural reaction of metal to concentrated hydrochloric acid. It's also
the reason there's so few dragon remains: The acid in the stomach at death
ate the flesh up, or perhaps at death the remaining gas ignited & burned it
up. In any case, dragons would have had very light, fragile bones, very
light bodies, very weakly developed muscles, so, minus the gas, there just
wasn't a lot to a dragon. There are very few old bird remains for the same
reason, & dragons must have been even more fragile.

For these reasons also, their liking for bare, craggy cliffs. If it wasn't
bare before he got there, he'd burn up everything around it, just burping
normally. And since, aside from their breath (the worst case of bad breath
of all time), they had very few defenses, isolated places were important to
them.

Presumably a reptile, they would be sluggish in the morning & probably
heavier than air as well, having lost some hydrogen overnight. So it's
likely dragons would vent some of their remaining hydrogen to warm
themselves the morning & get their systems going. This could also account
for their prevalence in northern Europe, which is otherwise too cold for
large reptiles.

Wings would have helped circulate warmed air in those drafty caves, but
otherwise would not have been large or powerful. They would not have been
feathered. They would have been more like bat wings, even though bats are
mammals. Dragon wings were used primarily for steering, not propulsion &
were presumably adequate for a dragon's needs.

As to a dragon's liking for young virgin females, I cannot say. Since so
much of what dragons were reputed to be matches the giant stomach gas bag
theory, it's hard to write off virgin feasts as just another myth. It might
well be that young girls had some particular odor that interested dragons,
or it might be that young boys put up more of a struggle. It could be that
dragons needed a lot of meat protein to keep themselves afloat & that small
furry mammals (dogs, cats, etc.) were too small or the fur got in the way of
digestion, and it could be that full grown humans were just too heavy to
carry off. Leaving undefended small girls as a dragon's first choice at
mealtime. People who are clever with physics & math could answer this
question: What volume of hydrogen gas is needed to carry away a kicking &
screaming 40 pound person? If this is how dragons got fed, then we presume
they could generate the necessary additional hydrogen within a very few
seconds, so a dragon with prey would be a very bloated affair.

Anyway, there are a lot of old accounts of dragons & some reputed dragon
remains here & there. It's not entirely impossible that dragons once existed
as real creatures. I'm indebted to the author of the Omni article for these
insights & would appreciate if any browser happens to know who he/she is.

--
Draco18s
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"Yum!" |> v-v-v-v |>
| , , .|. | n | .|.
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(q p),-| | HERSHEY'S | |'-._ ))
/_(/ | | CHO|"|LIT | | ) '-.___//
---W"W----'-'----'-'----'-'----------'--------------
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Re: Omni Magazine Article [message #78811 ] Mi, 13 Juli 2005 17:07
Dill Harper  
Omni was part of the Penthouse magazine group in the 1970's and 1980's.


Zarris wrote:
>
> Dill Harper wrote:
>
>>Around about 1980, Omni magazine published an article in which the
>>author argued that dragons really did exist. At the time I was struck by
>>the logic of many points made. I would like to find a copy of the
>>article to use as a teaching tool. Anyone know of it? Thanks.
>
>
> did a quick search to find it seems thier official site has been
> hijacked to point to a p0rn site (least thats what it looks like to
> me)... see other legimate results pointing to the same site...
>
> ... nevermind.. that /is/ their site... omni is just a scientific
> spinoff of what appears to be a p0rn publisher? how odd...
>
> either way,, didnt find anything exactly as you described (one
> mentioned a dragon in passing thought to the actual point). (and theirs
> nothing on their site either)
>
Re: Omni Magazine Article [message #78824 ] Do, 14 Juli 2005 16:15
Lord Nargus StreamWar  
In the wind of Alfandria, a signal detected by a megical receiver. The
signal is said to be from Draco18s
<draco18s_DOES_NOT [at] LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com> with following message:

>In article <h4CdnSfipr4Q2UnfRVn-vg [at] adelphia.com>, dill280 [at] yahoo.com says...
>> Around about 1980, Omni magazine published an article in which the
>> author argued that dragons really did exist. At the time I was struck by
>> the logic of many points made. I would like to find a copy of the
>> article to use as a teaching tool. Anyone know of it? Thanks.
>
>I found a copy, how much is the original article, I don't know.
>Pulled from: http://www.astroamerica.com/t-drag.html
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------
>*snipsnip*

Mmm....that look almost like Animal Planet's version to me. Although I
think I have seem theory like this already in the old dragon website I
forgot the name already. Maybe some recall what's the name? It's quite
a well-known website.

--
Lord Nargus StreamWarrior
Force of Darkness, Master of the Evil,
Warrior of Good, and Knight Dragon of the Stream
Blue Eastern Water Dragon
Dragon/Human/Velociraptor Shifter depending on want

Owner of the Gold Pendent with his name and the Black Shadow Pendent from Lady Shadow
Noble Guardian Knight to Lady Viriatha, Owner of One of Lady Viriatha's Yupyups

Wingbrother to Ceralor J'hadrin, Rethala, Starblade, Mondariloth, Raeadh`ani, Sunka'hetanka, Malystryxx, Joe
Knight Dragon of the East, Guardian of SeaCastle, and Mixer of Everything

DragonCode: DC2.De[~Dw/H/Sv] Gm L W T Phwflv Sks,wl Cbl,eau Bfl A Fr++ N"water and mountain" M(r-v+) H+ $ Fc/f R++ Ac+ J+ S- I# V+++![water magic only] Q--[I can use telepathy] Tc++ Df++ E~
Dragon Classification Project: http://www.dragonsempire.com/info/classify
Re: Omni Magazine Article [message #78830 ] Do, 14 Juli 2005 17:41
Draco18s  
In article <kpscd1dnpid4cc88p7ed3dctscp5pf2sac [at] 4ax.com>, nargus_411
[at] hotmail.com says...
> In the wind of Alfandria, a signal detected by a megical receiver. The
> signal is said to be from Draco18s
> <draco18s_DOES_NOT [at] LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com> with following message:
>
> >In article <h4CdnSfipr4Q2UnfRVn-vg [at] adelphia.com>, dill280 [at] yahoo.com says...
> >> Around about 1980, Omni magazine published an article in which the
> >> author argued that dragons really did exist. At the time I was struck by
> >> the logic of many points made. I would like to find a copy of the
> >> article to use as a teaching tool. Anyone know of it? Thanks.
> >
> >I found a copy, how much is the original article, I don't know.
> >Pulled from: http://www.astroamerica.com/t-drag.html
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------
> >*snipsnip*
>
> Mmm....that look almost like Animal Planet's version to me. Although I
> think I have seem theory like this already in the old dragon website I
> forgot the name already. Maybe some recall what's the name? It's quite
> a well-known website.

I would be willing to say that Animal Planet used that article as a main
(I.E. only) source.

--
Draco18s
DC2.Dw Gm L- W- T Phvwalt Sks Cag^ Bco|# A- Fr Nu M--- O H+ $ Fo R+++ Ac+ J+
S+ I-# V++ Q++ Tc+++[C++]/Tc--- E+

"Yum!" |> v-v-v-v |>
| , , .|. | n | .|.
'. |_/| | |'''''''''''| | \
(q p),-| | HERSHEY'S | |'-._ ))
/_(/ | | CHO|"|LIT | | ) '-.___//
---W"W----'-'----'-'----'-'----------'--------------
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Re: Omni Magazine Article [message #78833 ] Do, 14 Juli 2005 22:05
Kalos Kalyre  
Lord Nargus StreamWarrior wrote:
[snip]
> Mmm....that look almost like Animal Planet's version to me. Although I
> think I have seem theory like this already in the old dragon website I
> forgot the name already. Maybe some recall what's the name? It's quite
> a well-known website.

Can you tell us more about the site? I've seen quite a few "old dragon
websites"


--
-Kalos

Peace and peppermint cheesecake to all.

My Dragon Code (version 2.6): DC2.Dw Gm L- W-- T Phwaplt Sks,wl,bh
Cja-\bz,v~ Bfl A- Fr- N? M--- O H++ $~ F+~ R* Ac++ J+ S---! U- I---# V--
Q---! Tc++[QBASIC] E+
My genus, as classified by the Dragon Classification Project: class
Xenosauria (Gr. xeno=strange, saur=lizard), subclass Pterosauria (Lizard
Dragon), order Squamadraconia (Scales Dragon), suborder Draconia
(Western Dragon), family Pterodraconia (General Western Dragon), (no
genus name yet)

"Although Planet's native life is based, like Earth's on right-handed
DNA and codes for all the same amino acids, the inevitable chemical and
structural difference from a billion years of evolution in an alien
environment render the native plant life highly poisonous to humans.
Juicy ripe grapefruits may look appealing, but a mouthful of
organo-nitrates will certainly change your mind in a hurry." -Sid
Meier's Alpha Centauri, by Firaxis Games
Re: Omni Magazine Article [message #78835 ] Do, 14 Juli 2005 23:02
Zarris  
Lord Nargus StreamWarrior wrote:
> In the wind of Alfandria, a signal detected by a megical receiver. The
> signal is said to be from Draco18s
> <draco18s_DOES_NOT [at] LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com> with following message:
>
> >In article <h4CdnSfipr4Q2UnfRVn-vg [at] adelphia.com>, dill280 [at] yahoo.com says...
> >> Around about 1980, Omni magazine published an article in which the
> >> author argued that dragons really did exist. At the time I was struck by
> >> the logic of many points made. I would like to find a copy of the
> >> article to use as a teaching tool. Anyone know of it? Thanks.
> >
> >I found a copy, how much is the original article, I don't know.
> >Pulled from: http://www.astroamerica.com/t-drag.html
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------
> >*snipsnip*
>
> Mmm....that look almost like Animal Planet's version to me. Although I
> think I have seem theory like this already in the old dragon website I
> forgot the name already. Maybe some recall what's the name? It's quite
> a well-known website.

if im correct... someone wrote a fantasy book that also siad the same
thing... suposed to be somewhat well known... but cant remember what it
was or who its by...

>
> --
> Lord Nargus StreamWarrior

--
Zarris
Re: Omni Magazine Article [message #78840 ] Do, 14 Juli 2005 23:53
Pyros Rutilicus  
At Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:02:58 GMT, "Zarris" <WaterfallFinder [at] aol.com>
hissed:

<chomp>
>> Mmm....that look almost like Animal Planet's version to me. Although
>> I think I have seem theory like this already in the old dragon
>> website I forgot the name already. Maybe some recall what's the name?
>> It's quite a well-known website.

draconian.com, maybe? They have some descriptions of dragon
physiology...as well as quite a few more ads than the last time I
visited; ick.

> if im correct... someone wrote a fantasy book that also siad the same
> thing... suposed to be somewhat well known... but cant remember what
> it was or who its by...

"The Flight of Dragons", by Peter Dickinson.
(It was a book first...then there was a children's movie by the same name
that took elements from both that and Dickson's "The Dragon and the
George".)

The Animal Planet special seemed to take a lot of ideas from Dickinson's
book.
http://animal.discovery.com/convergence/dragons/index.html
(apologies for the massive abuse of Flash...)

--
Pyros Rutilicus
---------------
DC2.Dw~ Gm L40f75w W- T- Sks,wl Cre-,eau Bfl A Fr++ Nm R+ Ac++ J+ Tc++ E-
Proud Owner of One Ponder Point
Scales protect many times better than flesh, but ironically, as long as
I wear this flesh I am safe, whereas if I were to show my true self I
would be vulnerable...
"Thoughts of [an annoying human] still make my teeth itch."
--D. J. Heinrich, The Dragon's Tomb
Re: Omni Magazine Article [message #78851 ] Fr, 15 Juli 2005 10:29
Draco18s  
In article <Xns9693977725904pyrosrutilicushotmai [at] 64.164.98.7>,
pyrosrutilicusNO [at] gmailSPAM.comORIWILLEATYOU says...
> At Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:02:58 GMT, "Zarris" <WaterfallFinder [at] aol.com>
> hissed:

> (apologies for the massive abuse of Flash...)

The KidsWB and Disney sites are abuses of flash. I know that everything
they do could have been accomplished with animated gifs.

--
Draco18s
DC2.Dw Gm L- W- T Phvwalt Sks Cag^ Bco|# A- Fr Nu M--- O H+ $ Fo R+++ Ac+ J+
S+ I-# V++ Q++ Tc+++[C++]/Tc--- E+

"Yum!" |> v-v-v-v |>
| , , .|. | n | .|.
'. |_/| | |'''''''''''| | \
(q p),-| | HERSHEY'S | |'-._ ))
/_(/ | | CHO|"|LIT | | ) '-.___//
---W"W----'-'----'-'----'-'----------'--------------
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Re: Omni Magazine Article [message #80706 ] Fr, 15 Juli 2005 13:59
Dreamseeker  
The Flight of Dragons movie has been one of my favorites since I was
little. ^_^ I still need to read the books, though...

Another interesting dragon site is here: http://www.colba.net/~tempest/

--
Dreamseeker

DC2.D Gf L12f13t30w W- T Phfltvw Sks,wk Cau [at] gr- Bzz A-- Fr-- Na
M(r---v-) H++ $ F+o/j R+++ Ac+ J++ S++ U- I V+ Q+[empathy] Tc E++

"Always be polite to a dragon. It's harder than it sounds. Dragon
etiquette is incredibly complicated, and if you make a mistake, the
dragon eats you."
Re: Omni Magazine Article [message #83349 ] Mo, 18 Juli 2005 12:53
Lord Nargus StreamWar  
In the wind of Alfandria, a signal detected by a megical receiver. The
signal is said to be from Kalos Kalyre <kaloskalyre [at] comcast.net> with
following message:

>Lord Nargus StreamWarrior wrote:
>[snip]
>> Mmm....that look almost like Animal Planet's version to me. Although I
>> think I have seem theory like this already in the old dragon website I
>> forgot the name already. Maybe some recall what's the name? It's quite
>> a well-known website.
>
>Can you tell us more about the site? I've seen quite a few "old dragon
>websites"

I got where it is now! I meant Draconian.com! }:=8P
I believe you may have seem it anyway ^^

http://draconian.com/

--
Lord Nargus StreamWarrior
Force of Darkness, Master of the Evil,
Warrior of Good, and Knight Dragon of the Stream
Blue Eastern Water Dragon
Dragon/Human/Velociraptor Shifter depending on want

Owner of the Gold Pendent with his name and the Black Shadow Pendent from Lady Shadow
Noble Guardian Knight to Lady Viriatha, Owner of One of Lady Viriatha's Yupyups

Wingbrother to Ceralor J'hadrin, Rethala, Starblade, Mondariloth, Raeadh`ani, Sunka'hetanka, Malystryxx, Joe
Knight Dragon of the East, Guardian of SeaCastle, and Mixer of Everything

DragonCode: DC2.De[~Dw/H/Sv] Gm L W T Phwflv Sks,wl Cbl,eau Bfl A Fr++ N"water and mountain" M(r-v+) H+ $ Fc/f R++ Ac+ J+ S- I# V+++![water magic only] Q--[I can use telepathy] Tc++ Df++ E~
Dragon Classification Project: http://www.dragonsempire.com/info/classify
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