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Wierd secret writing [message #71891]

So, 03 Juli 2005 16:26

Skycloud

http://www.copycoder.com/

Re: Wierd secret writing [message #71892 ]

So, 03 Juli 2005 18:14

Freakstone

"Skycloud" <me [at] privacy.com> wrote in message
news:3iqb5lFmn2umU1 [at] individual.net...
> http://www.<deleted>.com/

Yeah, amazing encryption. All you have to do to decrypt the bloody message
if you intercept it is spend a fiver in a nearby shop, as all the copycoders
are identical.

What a load of bollocks!

Though, of course, the flipside of this is that if enough people are
intelligent enough to realise this, the thing won't sell very well and
they'll stop making it, so that's one situation in which the less secure a
method of encryption is, the more secure it makes it.

Oh, by the way, it's i before e, except after c, or where the i and e
together don't make an ee sound, like in weird.

--
Fræk
> SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue > 0
0 rows returned

Re: Wierd secret writing [message #71893 ]

So, 03 Juli 2005 18:36

Skycloud

"Freakstone" <cfreestone [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3iqh82Fmub89U1 [at] individual.net...
> "Skycloud" <me [at] privacy.com> wrote in message
> news:3iqb5lFmn2umU1 [at] individual.net...
> > http://www.<deleted>.com/
>
Hi Mr Freakstone,

> Yeah, amazing encryption. All you have to do to decrypt the bloody
message
> if you intercept it is spend a fiver in a nearby shop, as all the
copycoders
> are identical.
>
> What a load of bollocks!
>

Yep, a load of bollocks that cost me 5 yrs of original work and £15K to
develop - have to agree, bit of a shame really... But then I wonder, have
you the brain to recognise true bollocks when you see it ? Have you
yourself ever created something new from scratch and then tried to sell it?
It sure isn't as easy as the instant put-down.

> Though, of course, the flipside of this is that if enough people are
> intelligent enough to realise this, the thing won't sell very well and
> they'll stop making it, so that's one situation in which the less secure a
> method of encryption is, the more secure it makes it.
>
Clearly, although you're if you were bright enough to see this (like
everyone else), you're not bright enough to see this is also an advantage.
One common code means copycoder 'clubs' become possible where nobody in the
group feels left out. This is a toy, mainly for kids and teens. Nothing
else.

> Oh, by the way, it's i before e, except after c, or where the i and e
> together don't make an ee sound, like in weird.
>

Why, spot the mistake! Well done, I'm impressed. Now go back to sleep.

Steve

Re: Wierd secret writing [message #71894 ]

So, 03 Juli 2005 19:01

Kaare Fiedler Christi

Skycloud wrote:

<snip>

> Yep, a load of bollocks that cost me 5 yrs of original work and £15K to
> develop

You spent £15K and five yesrs to develop it, and then resort to spam to
try to sell it? A word of advice: Get out of the v1agra-gang and try
using real advertising in magazines and such, where you don't lose more
reputation than you gain...

By the way, it intrigues me that you actually reply to these messages -
it makes me assume that you only posted this message to a select set of
unfortunate news groups. Why did you select afda?

Best
Kåre

Re: Wierd secret writing [message #71895 ]

So, 03 Juli 2005 19:30

Skycloud

"Kaare Fiedler Christiansen" <news [at] kaarefc.dk> wrote in message
news:42c819fd$0$643$edfadb0f [at] dread16.news.tele.dk...
> Skycloud wrote:

Hiya!

>
> You spent £15K and five yesrs to develop it, and then resort to spam to
> try to sell it? A word of advice: Get out of the v1agra-gang and try
> using real advertising in magazines and such, where you don't lose more
> reputation than you gain...

Advice well taken and (in principle) fully agreed with. I admit this is a
form of advertising and this is not good 'usenetiqette' (have I spelled that
right Mr Freakstone? ;) However I'm _not_ blithely crossposting to loads of
ngs and as you can see, am around to receive the sh*t when it hits the fan.
Marketing a new venture the conventional way is prohibitively expensive, and
when selling something people don't already know exists and thus go looking
for - it's incredibly ineffective. I've tried all the usual methods already
both on and off the net. Call me desperate if you like...

>
> By the way, it intrigues me that you actually reply to these messages -
> it makes me assume that you only posted this message to a select set of
> unfortunate news groups. Why did you select afda?

Dunno really.. maybe I expected to encounter souls here with an offbeat and
original approach to life...with an open mind for unusual ideas... ??

Cheers

Steve

Re: Wierd secret writing [message #71896 ]

So, 03 Juli 2005 20:32

Kaare Fiedler Christi

Skycloud wrote:
> "Kaare Fiedler Christiansen" <news [at] kaarefc.dk> wrote in message
> news:42c819fd$0$643$edfadb0f [at] dread16.news.tele.dk...
>
>>Skycloud wrote:
>
>
> Hiya!
>
>
>>You spent £15K and five yesrs to develop it, and then resort to spam to
>>try to sell it? A word of advice: Get out of the v1agra-gang and try
>>using real advertising in magazines and such, where you don't lose more
>>reputation than you gain...
>
>
> Advice well taken and (in principle) fully agreed with. I admit this is a
> form of advertising and this is not good 'usenetiqette' (have I spelled that
> right Mr Freakstone? ;) However I'm _not_ blithely crossposting to loads of
> ngs and as you can see, am around to receive the sh*t when it hits the fan.
> Marketing a new venture the conventional way is prohibitively expensive, and
> when selling something people don't already know exists and thus go looking
> for - it's incredibly ineffective. I've tried all the usual methods already
> both on and off the net. Call me desperate if you like...

Well, to me it means I will never ever buy this product, simply because
anything marketed by someone who even knows the "rules" but chooses to
ignore them makes me loose any sort of trust in that company. Sorry, but
you have lost at least one prospective customer.

I'm sorry, but since you have just admitted that you full-willingly
spammed (even if it was a politer spam than the usual, and even if you
are around to answer) has resulted in a mail to abuse [at] individual.net.

I realize that you think you did only a minor thing, but think of it
this way: You are a very small company. There are literally hundreds of
thousands of companies your size around the globe. Imagine every one of
them deciding that it would do no harm that they advertised on
newsgroups. The net result would be that real messages would drown in
advertising and newsgroups would soon die out.

There is only one reason why that is not the current situation, and that
is that advertising is not tolerated. Thus we see mostly advertising
from the more seedy parts of the business, and even that is almost
always filtered out before hitting the users.

Since news.individual.net has a strict non-spam policy, I suspect your
account will be terminated. I hope you didn't pay the full-year fee,
otherwise this may have been a very expensive advertising campaign for you.

>>By the way, it intrigues me that you actually reply to these messages -
>>it makes me assume that you only posted this message to a select set of
>>unfortunate news groups. Why did you select afda?
>
>
> Dunno really.. maybe I expected to encounter souls here with an offbeat and
> original approach to life...with an open mind for unusual ideas... ??

That's the point really. It's not unusual. Just very, very rude.

Best
Kåre

Re: Wierd secret writing [message #71898 ]

So, 03 Juli 2005 20:57

Skycloud

Guilty as charged, your honour. :-(

S

==========================
"Kaare Fiedler Christiansen" <news [at] kaarefc.dk> wrote in message
news:da9avv$aj5$1 [at] domitilla.aioe.org...
> Skycloud wrote:
> > "Kaare Fiedler Christiansen" <news [at] kaarefc.dk> wrote in message
> > news:42c819fd$0$643$edfadb0f [at] dread16.news.tele.dk...
> >
> >>Skycloud wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hiya!
> >
> >
> >>You spent £15K and five yesrs to develop it, and then resort to spam to
> >>try to sell it? A word of advice: Get out of the v1agra-gang and try
> >>using real advertising in magazines and such, where you don't lose more
> >>reputation than you gain...
> >
> >
> > Advice well taken and (in principle) fully agreed with. I admit this
is a
> > form of advertising and this is not good 'usenetiqette' (have I spelled
that
> > right Mr Freakstone? ;) However I'm _not_ blithely crossposting to
loads of
> > ngs and as you can see, am around to receive the sh*t when it hits the
fan.
> > Marketing a new venture the conventional way is prohibitively expensive,
and
> > when selling something people don't already know exists and thus go
looking
> > for - it's incredibly ineffective. I've tried all the usual methods
already
> > both on and off the net. Call me desperate if you like...
>
> Well, to me it means I will never ever buy this product, simply because
> anything marketed by someone who even knows the "rules" but chooses to
> ignore them makes me loose any sort of trust in that company. Sorry, but
> you have lost at least one prospective customer.
>
> I'm sorry, but since you have just admitted that you full-willingly
> spammed (even if it was a politer spam than the usual, and even if you
> are around to answer) has resulted in a mail to abuse [at] individual.net.
>
> I realize that you think you did only a minor thing, but think of it
> this way: You are a very small company. There are literally hundreds of
> thousands of companies your size around the globe. Imagine every one of
> them deciding that it would do no harm that they advertised on
> newsgroups. The net result would be that real messages would drown in
> advertising and newsgroups would soon die out.
>
> There is only one reason why that is not the current situation, and that
> is that advertising is not tolerated. Thus we see mostly advertising
> from the more seedy parts of the business, and even that is almost
> always filtered out before hitting the users.
>
> Since news.individual.net has a strict non-spam policy, I suspect your
> account will be terminated. I hope you didn't pay the full-year fee,
> otherwise this may have been a very expensive advertising campaign for
you.
>
> >>By the way, it intrigues me that you actually reply to these messages -
> >>it makes me assume that you only posted this message to a select set of
> >>unfortunate news groups. Why did you select afda?
> >
> >
> > Dunno really.. maybe I expected to encounter souls here with an offbeat
and
> > original approach to life...with an open mind for unusual ideas... ??
>
> That's the point really. It's not unusual. Just very, very rude.
>
> Best
> Kåre

Re: Wierd secret writing [message #71899 ]

So, 03 Juli 2005 21:13

Freakstone

"Skycloud" <me [at] privacy.com> wrote in message
news:3iqqpsFmk0bjU1 [at] individual.net...
> Guilty as charged, your honour. :-(

See, even open minded and friendly people like the regulars in afda don't
like spam and will respond to it in a negative way, whether it's your own
product or not. Getting hot under the collar because someone responds to
your spam post about your product when you didn't even make it clear that it
was yours, serves only to make you less popular.

You're in business, you need to get used to the fact that some people will
like your product, some won't, and also that there are good ways of
marketing, and bad ones. Today, let's hope, you've learned both lessons.

Good luck with the copycoder, I'm sure the kids will love it.

--
Fræk
> SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue > 0
0 rows returned

Re: Wierd secret writing [message #71900 ]

So, 03 Juli 2005 21:28

Skycloud

--> Good luck with the copycoder, I'm sure the kids will love it.
>

Aw thanks ! Lesson learned. And thanks for putting me on the straight and
narrow. Good luck to you all here too, in my remaining moments while I still
retain the power of newsgroup speech....

S.

Re: Wierd secret writing [message #73634 ]

Di, 05 Juli 2005 01:48

Frankymole

Freakstone wrote:
> "Skycloud" <me [at] privacy.com> wrote in message
> news:3iqqpsFmk0bjU1 [at] individual.net...
>> Guilty as charged, your honour. :-(
>
> See, even open minded and friendly people like the regulars in afda
> don't like spam and will respond to it in a negative way, whether
> it's your own product or not. Getting hot under the collar because
> someone responds to your spam post about your product when you didn't
> even make it clear that it was yours, serves only to make you less
> popular.
>
> You're in business, you need to get used to the fact that some people
> will like your product, some won't, and also that there are good ways
> of marketing, and bad ones. Today, let's hope, you've learned both
> lessons.
>
> Good luck with the copycoder, I'm sure the kids will love it.
>
>> SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue > 0
> 0 rows returned

Whatever happened to word of mouth? Worked for businesses way back when and
still does round here (the UK) for services we actually need. If he'd come
here (the newsgroup) and mentioned a personal invitation to JUST the members
of this forum, inviting them to visit his site where more details could be
obtained, and enclosed all that briefly in a sig to an on-topic post, his
reputation may have been enhanced.

I've still not got a bloody clue what the product is meant to be, though!
--
Frankymole

Re: Wierd secret writing [message #73670 ]

Do, 07 Juli 2005 12:01

John Coxon

On 05/07/2005 00:48, five wild Event Maelstroms swirled in vicious storms of
unreason and Frankymole spewed up:

> I've still not got a bloody clue what the product is meant to be, though!

I second this emotion.

--
John Coxon

"IRTA 'Virgins suck even more'." - MEow (afdaniain)

Email: john[dot]coxon[at]gmail[dot]com
Website: http://alphacentauri.8k.com
Missing footnotes: http://www.nut.house.cx/cgi-bin/nemowiki.pl?ISFN
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Re: Wierd secret writing [message #75521 ]

So, 10 Juli 2005 01:17

Edward

Frankymole wrote:
> Freakstone wrote:
>
>>"Skycloud" <me [at] privacy.com> wrote in message
>>news:3iqqpsFmk0bjU1 [at] individual.net...
>>
>>>Guilty as charged, your honour. :-(
>>
>>See, even open minded and friendly people like the regulars in afda
>>don't like spam and will respond to it in a negative way, whether
>>it's your own product or not. Getting hot under the collar because
>>someone responds to your spam post about your product when you didn't
>>even make it clear that it was yours, serves only to make you less
>>popular.
>>
>>You're in business, you need to get used to the fact that some people
>>will like your product, some won't, and also that there are good ways
>>of marketing, and bad ones. Today, let's hope, you've learned both
>>lessons.
>>
>>Good luck with the copycoder, I'm sure the kids will love it.
>>
>>
>>>SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue > 0
>>
>>0 rows returned
>
>
> Whatever happened to word of mouth? Worked for businesses way back when and
> still does round here (the UK) for services we actually need. If he'd come
> here (the newsgroup) and mentioned a personal invitation to JUST the members
> of this forum, inviting them to visit his site where more details could be
> obtained, and enclosed all that briefly in a sig to an on-topic post, his
> reputation may have been enhanced.
>
> I've still not got a bloody clue what the product is meant to be, though!

Well it looks like a way for kids to send secret messages to one
another, the messages are created by distorting an image of the message
text printed using Comic Sans, and they can only be read by placing a £5
piece of plastic template over the top undo the distortions and fill in
the gaps.

The idea is quite ingenious. Using software to create a message that can
be read by a mass manufactured physical item. The ability to encode
messages with the decoder and a photocopier is also interesting, it
might have really taken off a decade ago, but I think its time has passed.

In an age where kids as young as 8 already have mobile phones and are
well used to sending each other messages for a few pence a time I can't
see this selling very well. It reminds me of the woman on The Apprentice
who insisted her "Secret Signals" "toy" would be a big seller over self
destructing robot toys.

The website design looks rather awkward and dated too.

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