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Maybe WE are the elves [message #67903] So, 26 Juni 2005 18:56
Sean  
Perhaps our (Cro-Magnon) delicate features, slender bone structure,
more nimble body movements and "enhanced" thought patterns might have
seemed "fey" (ie, "elven-like") to the more heavy-set Neanderthals;
would they have known us as the "Fair Folk"?

And since "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic" (--Arthur C. Clarke) our clever Magdalenian creations
might have seemed magical compared to their Mousterian artifacts.

Who knows, they might even have called us the "First Born" in their
mythology -- truly ironic considering that they preceded us
by at least 70,000 years.

Of course there could have been three prominent inter-marriages
between the two species with children (assuming genetic compatibility)
of mixed race, faced with an irrevocable choice to which people
they would belong.

Sean
Re: Maybe WE are the elves [message #67904 ] So, 26 Juni 2005 19:44
Prai Jei  
Sean (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message
<42BEE1C6.938EC69B [at] no.spam>:

> Perhaps our (Cro-Magnon) delicate features, slender bone structure,
> more nimble body movements and "enhanced" thought patterns might have
> seemed "fey" (ie, "elven-like") to the more heavy-set Neanderthals;
> would they have known us as the "Fair Folk"?
>
> And since "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
> from magic" (--Arthur C. Clarke) our clever Magdalenian creations
> might have seemed magical compared to their Mousterian artifacts.
>
> Who knows, they might even have called us the "First Born" in their
> mythology -- truly ironic considering that they preceded us
> by at least 70,000 years.
But we "awoke" first perhaps?

> Of course there could have been three prominent inter-marriages
> between the two species with children (assuming genetic compatibility)
> of mixed race, faced with an irrevocable choice to which people
> they would belong.

Neanderthals differed in physical appearance from us, and presumably each
would be seen as rather ugly and repugnant to the other. But in Tolkien,
Elves and Men have no obvious species-wide differences, else Beren, Tuor
and Aragorn would not have found their respective elven brides so
overwhelmingly beautiful.

Interestingly, if you analyse the word as "ne-ander-thal", the last element
is German for "valley" (English "dale") after the valley where the
specimens were found, but the other two look like Greek for "new man".
Rather ironic considering the name relates to an ancient forerunner of
modern man.
--
A couple of questions. How do I stop the wires short-circuiting, and what's
this nylon washer for?

Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply
Re: Maybe WE are the elves [message #67912 ] Mo, 27 Juni 2005 01:27
Gregory Hernandez  
One of the few interesting bits from the animated version of "Return of the
King" was the suggestion that Hobbits grew taller and their genes
intermingled with Man.

"Sean" <no.spam [at] no.spam> wrote in message news:42BEE1C6.938EC69B [at] no.spam...
> Perhaps our (Cro-Magnon) delicate features, slender bone structure,
> more nimble body movements and "enhanced" thought patterns might have
> seemed "fey" (ie, "elven-like") to the more heavy-set Neanderthals;
> would they have known us as the "Fair Folk"?
>
> And since "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
> from magic" (--Arthur C. Clarke) our clever Magdalenian creations
> might have seemed magical compared to their Mousterian artifacts.
>
> Who knows, they might even have called us the "First Born" in their
> mythology -- truly ironic considering that they preceded us
> by at least 70,000 years.
>
> Of course there could have been three prominent inter-marriages
> between the two species with children (assuming genetic compatibility)
> of mixed race, faced with an irrevocable choice to which people
> they would belong.
>
> Sean
Re: Maybe WE are the elves [message #68889 ] Mo, 27 Juni 2005 16:42
Tux Wonder-Dog  
Sean wrote:

> Perhaps our (Cro-Magnon) delicate features, slender bone structure,
> more nimble body movements and "enhanced" thought patterns might have
> seemed "fey" (ie, "elven-like") to the more heavy-set Neanderthals;
> would they have known us as the "Fair Folk"?

Nah. We're the lightly-built bruisers who interfered with their hunting
territories.
>
> And since "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
> from magic" (--Arthur C. Clarke) our clever Magdalenian creations
> might have seemed magical compared to their Mousterian artifacts.

Nah, it was the jewellery that we wore, the teeth and stones and suchlike
that would've dazzled them. It's only after homo sapiens turned up that
homo neandertalensis started using decorations.
>
> Who knows, they might even have called us the "First Born" in their
> mythology -- truly ironic considering that they preceded us
> by at least 70,000 years.

I don't think they bothered with mythology. Mythology is a disease of
language, or language a disease of mythology, depending on who wyou're
talking with, and I don't think they had the neurological or psychological
equipment for it.
>
> Of course there could have been three prominent inter-marriages
> between the two species with children (assuming genetic compatibility)
> of mixed race, faced with an irrevocable choice to which people
> they would belong.

Would make an interesting story. Write it. Do some Fanfic. :-)
>
> Sean

Wesley Parish
--
"Good, late in to more rewarding well."  "Well, you tonight.  And I was
lookintelligent woman of Ming home.  I trust you with a tender silence."  I
get a word into my hands, a different and unbelike, probably - 'she
fortunate fat woman', wrong word.  I think to me, I justupid.
Let not emacs meta-X dissociate-press write your romantic dialogs...!!!
Re: Maybe WE are the elves [message #68893 ] Mo, 27 Juni 2005 18:48
AC  
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:56:04 GMT,
Sean <no.spam [at] no.spam> wrote:
> Perhaps our (Cro-Magnon) delicate features, slender bone structure,
> more nimble body movements and "enhanced" thought patterns might have
> seemed "fey" (ie, "elven-like") to the more heavy-set Neanderthals;
> would they have known us as the "Fair Folk"?
>
> And since "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
> from magic" (--Arthur C. Clarke) our clever Magdalenian creations
> might have seemed magical compared to their Mousterian artifacts.
>
> Who knows, they might even have called us the "First Born" in their
> mythology -- truly ironic considering that they preceded us
> by at least 70,000 years.
>
> Of course there could have been three prominent inter-marriages
> between the two species with children (assuming genetic compatibility)
> of mixed race, faced with an irrevocable choice to which people
> they would belong.

What would you like me to say? Would you like a polite response, or an
honest one?

--
mightymartianca [at] hotmail.com
Re: Maybe WE are the elves [message #72703 ] Fr, 01 Juli 2005 19:13
androgynouspauly  
Sean wrote:
> Perhaps our (Cro-Magnon) delicate features, slender bone structure,
> more nimble body movements and "enhanced" thought patterns


Me.



>might have seemed "fey" (ie, "elven-like") to the more heavy-set >Neanderthals;


Shane Pearson.
Re: Maybe WE are the elves [message #72880 ] So, 03 Juli 2005 18:12
Matthew Woodcraft  
In article <42BEE1C6.938EC69B [at] no.spam>, Sean <no.spam [at] no.spam> wrote:
>Perhaps our (Cro-Magnon) delicate features, slender bone structure,
>more nimble body movements and "enhanced" thought patterns might have
>seemed "fey" (ie, "elven-like") to the more heavy-set Neanderthals;
>would they have known us as the "Fair Folk"?

I don't believe in that sort of direct correspondence, but it does seem
plausible to me that stories about Neanderthals meeting Cro-Magnons had
some part in the makeup of Tolkien's stories about the first meetings
of Men and Elves, just as dinosaur 'mythology' crept in in a couple of
places.

-M-
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