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Fantasy » alt.fan.tolkien » Dan C sends malicious e-mails
| Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #67874] |
Sa, 25 Juni 2005 13:13 |
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witness:
From: "Dan C" <youmustbejoking [at] invalid.lan> Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: The discovery of my google-bombs!
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:09:31 -0500
To: "Chief Inspector of Prisms" <androgynouspauly [at] yahoo.co.uk>
"How about you just shut the f--k up and quit posting your bullsh-t in
newsgroups, asswipe, before you get hurt or something. Get the f--k
out of here." (my quotes and censorship added)
Ha ha ha, you know what, I might be scared if it wasn't so funny. So
what you gonna do...come round my place and start whacking me over the
head with your hardback Silmarillion. LOL!
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #68896 ] |
Mo, 27 Juni 2005 19:27 |
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He also lies and flames in the news groups. So what?
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #68900 ] |
Mo, 27 Juni 2005 20:11 |
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Michael [at] xenite.org wrote:
> He also lies and flames in the news groups. So what?
just letting the group know that this Dan C newbie has a dark side to
him.
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #68908 ] |
Mo, 27 Juni 2005 23:11 |
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CHALK FLEW UP wrote June 27:
> Mich... [at] xenite.org wrote:
> > He also lies and flames in the news groups. So what?
>
> just letting the group know that this Dan C
> newbie has a dark side to him.
Very good. I'm sure all the Tolkien scholars have made a note in their
little black books, right next to the entries:
"Softrat. Nothing useful to say in a Tolkien discussion, but wastes
time for fun.
"Swain, Larry. Nothing useful to say in a Tolkien discussion, but
grinds axes for fun."
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #70331 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 21:02 |
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Michael [at] xenite.org wrote:
> CHALK FLEW UP wrote June 27:
>
>>Mich... [at] xenite.org wrote:
>>
>>>He also lies and flames in the news groups. So what?
>>
>>just letting the group know that this Dan C
>>newbie has a dark side to him.
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>
> Very good. I'm sure all the Tolkien scholars have made a note in their
> little black books, right next to the entries:
>
> "Softrat. Nothing useful to say in a Tolkien discussion, but wastes
> time for fun.
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> "Swain, Larry. Nothing useful to say in a Tolkien discussion, but
> grinds axes for fun."
>
OOO, a triple insult! Course, I haven't had to pay to have my
writings about Tolkien published.
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #70353 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 23:06 |
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Larry Swain wrote June 28:
> OOO, a triple insult! Course, I haven't had to
> pay to have my writings about Tolkien published.
Nor have I, Larry.
Not that I would expect you to be honest about me or anything else
anyway.
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #70844 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 00:58 |
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Michael [at] xenite.org wrote:
> Larry Swain wrote June 28:
>
>> OOO, a triple insult! Course, I haven't had to
>>pay to have my writings about Tolkien published.
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>
> Nor have I, Larry.
>
> Not that I would expect you to be honest about me or anything else
> anyway.
Ah yes, the ol' "you're dishonest" nonsense. But I see that I do owe
you an apology there. I know Xlibris as a vanity press and since that
is where Visualizing Middle Earth was published, I followed your earlier
advice and connected the dots. So this is a perfect example of how dot
connecting is not a good way to go about discussing the uruk-hai and
your claim and argument based on your dot connecting is therefore
fallacious and erroneous.
So, let me amend my comment and say "I haven't had to self publish my
writings about Tolkien." or tout my own horn about what a Tolkien
scholar I am. I find your web page hilarious where you claim to be this
widely recognized authority, but I've not seen you cited in a single
scholarly article on Tolkien or book....maybe you could point us to some
authorities who reference your work Michael.
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #70852 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 02:04 |
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Larry Swain wrote on June 29:
> Ah yes, the ol' "you're dishonest" nonsense. But I see that I do owe you an apology
> there. I know Xlibris as a vanity press and since that is where Visualizing Middle Earth
> was published, I followed your earlier advice and connected the dots.
Larry, you're incapable of connecting the dots.
VISUALIZING MIDDLE-EARTH (there is a hyphen in "Middle-earth", btw) was
published in 2000, when Xlibris had a program whereby people could
publish books for free.
Yes, I took the free option.
But the majority of the essays had been written under contract, so the
first publication rights had already been used, and I wasn't risking
anything. So, I did not have to self-publish my writings about
Tolkien, either. I simply did so as a means of reaching a secondary
market. The book has sold well through the years and is considered
exceptional for self-published books (and given that my agent has
negotiated foreign rights for the book, I'd say it was a pretty good
deal).
So, keep amending your snide little remarks, and eventually you may
approach the truth.
But here is some advice I have given you in past: get some facts before
shooting your mouth off, because you really have no clue as to what
you're talking about.
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #70854 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 02:23 |
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I find it humorous that such an honored group that sees the greatness
in tolkiens works argues and bickers excessivley, this group is meant
to talk about the ingenius works of middle earth was it not?
>From now on why dont we try to keep that in mind and keep opinions that
arent related directley to tolkiens works to ourselves. theres really
no need for any of this, theres enough drama in the real world lets not
have it here.
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #70857 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 02:33 |
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Aurious wrote on June 29:
> I find it humorous that such an honored group that sees the greatness in tolkiens works
> argues and bickers excessivley, this group is meant to talk about the ingenius works of
> middle earth was it not?
>
> From now on why dont we try to keep that in mind and keep opinions that arent related
> directley to tolkiens works to ourselves. theres really no need for any of this, theres
> enough drama in the real world lets not have it here.
You're asking a hardened group of flamers to stop flaming.
Just look at the way they treat anyone who expresses a point of view
they don't like.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.fan.tolkien/msg/f49f e423728e8fa4?dmode=source&hl=en
[You're actual understanding of the relationship of LotR to Silm is,
um, well, ludicrous and impossible to support. But please do tell me
again how I don't know what I'm talking about.]
Aaron Clausen just likes to bash people.
Larry Swain, as I indicated elsewhere, grinds axes. He'll lie and use
half-truths and ridicule to smear anyone's reputation.
He never actually uses honestly presented facts to make his arguments,
though, so it's very difficult to take him seriously.
In any event, you're not going to get any cooperation out of this
crowd. They like their flame wars.
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #70862 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 03:13 |
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Perhaps,...Utopia is a hard place to find, especially in this day and
age. Out of curiosity....is their any creators in this group(people who
have thought up and created a world of their own). One of the reasons I
admire Tolkien is how well he put together a world and left those many
mysteries
that we find ourselves
trying to explain years after the books were published. He was truly a
grand creator.
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #70864 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 06:07 |
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On 29 Jun 2005 17:23:15 -0700, "Aurious" <theblackcygnus [at] msn.com>
wrote:
>I find it humorous that such an honored group that sees the greatness
>in tolkiens works argues and bickers excessivley, this group is meant
>to talk about the ingenius works of middle earth was it not?
>>From now on why dont we try to keep that in mind and keep opinions that
>arent related directley to tolkiens works to ourselves. theres really
>no need for any of this, theres enough drama in the real world lets not
>have it here.
Are you really my Aunt Harriet?
the softrat
"Honi soit qui mal y pense."
mailto:softrat [at] pobox.com
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Profanity: The linguistic crutch of inarticulate bastards
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71278 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 15:05 |
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Michael [at] xenite.org wrote:
>
> You're asking a hardened group of flamers to stop flaming.
>
> Just look at the way they treat anyone who expresses a point of view
> they don't like.
*rolls her eyes* Anyone who thinks this is a "hardened group of
flamers" either doesn't spend enough time on the net where there are
regular vicious arguments, or is using the definition of "everyone who
disagrees with me is a flamer", or hasn't noticed that the nastiest
arguments come out of his own keyboard. Arguments can get heated here,
sometimes, and AC and I went a couple rounds when I was new, but
"hardened group of flamers" this is not. In fact, most of the time it's
pretty mellow.
Sheesh.
Or maybe I just spend too much time amongst a bunch of
hyper-argumentative groups.
Michelle
Flutist
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71280 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 15:06 |
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Aurious wrote:
> I find it humorous that such an honored group that sees the greatness
> in tolkiens works argues and bickers excessivley,
Excessively??? You don't read many newsgroups, do you? This is almost all
politeness. Even the Softrat, who can't help being gratuitously nasty, at
least tends to know what he's talking about. There's only a couple of
people who need to be permanently killfiled - the originator of this thread
being one of them.
--
derek
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71281 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 15:16 |
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In alt.fan.tolkien Derek Broughton <news [at] pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> Aurious wrote:
>> I find it humorous that such an honored group that sees the greatness
>> in tolkiens works argues and bickers excessivley,
> Excessively??? You don't read many newsgroups, do you? This is almost all
> politeness. Even the Softrat, who can't help being gratuitously nasty, at
> least tends to know what he's talking about. There's only a couple of
> people who need to be permanently killfiled - the originator of this thread
> being one of them.
Larry?
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71284 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 15:16 |
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Michelle J. Haines wrote:
> Arguments can get heated here,
> sometimes, and AC and I went a couple rounds when I was new, but
> "hardened group of flamers" this is not. In fact, most of the time it's
> pretty mellow.
>
> Sheesh.
>
> Or maybe I just spend too much time amongst a bunch of
> hyper-argumentative groups.
No, this is as mellow as it gets.
--
derek
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71289 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 16:41 |
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Derek Broughton wrote on June 30:
> Excessively??? You don't read many newsgroups, do you? This is almost all
> politeness. Even the Softrat, who can't help being gratuitously nasty, at
> least tends to know what he's talking about.
Slow down there, son. Softrat seldom if ever participates in any
actual Tolkien discussions. His track record for knowing what he's
talking about is about as soft as any newbie's.
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71290 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 16:43 |
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Tamim wrote on June 30:
> In alt.fan.tolkien Derek Broughton <n... [at] pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>
> > Aurious wrote:
> >> I find it humorous that such an honored group that sees the greatness
> >> in tolkiens works argues and bickers excessivley,
> > Excessively??? You don't read many newsgroups, do you? This is almost all
> > politeness. Even the Softrat, who can't help being gratuitously nasty, at
> > least tends to know what he's talking about. There's only a couple of
> > people who need to be permanently killfiled - the originator of this thread
> > being one of them.
>
> Larry?
No, anyone who runs into a discussion as poorly armed and with a
blatant "KICK ME, I'M AN EGOTISTICAL IDIOT" sign plastered all over his
back like Larry does should be left out of the killfiles for the pure
sake of entertainment. His technical blunders and rewrites are always
good for a laugh.
I believe Derek was referring to the "CHALK FLEW UP" screen name.
Reply
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71295 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 17:10 |
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Tamim wrote:
> In alt.fan.tolkien Derek Broughton <news [at] pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>> Aurious wrote:
>
>>> I find it humorous that such an honored group that sees the greatness
>>> in tolkiens works argues and bickers excessivley,
>
>> Excessively??? You don't read many newsgroups, do you? This is almost
>> all
>> politeness. Even the Softrat, who can't help being gratuitously nasty,
>> at
>> least tends to know what he's talking about. There's only a couple of
>> people who need to be permanently killfiled - the originator of this
>> thread being one of them.
>
> Larry?
No, you probably just think he started it because you have Mr.Martinez
killfiled. :-)
--
derek
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71307 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 18:45 |
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Derek Broughton <news [at] pointerstop.ca> wrote in
news:9v7dp2-nta.ln1 [at] othello.pointerstop.ca:
> Michelle J. Haines wrote:
>
>> Arguments can get heated here,
>> sometimes, and AC and I went a couple rounds when I was new,
>> but
>> "hardened group of flamers" this is not. In fact, most of the
>> time it's pretty mellow.
>>
>> Sheesh.
>>
>> Or maybe I just spend too much time amongst a bunch of
>> hyper-argumentative groups.
>
> No, this is as mellow as it gets.
I imagine that alt.fan.mary-jane would be mellower still.
--
Cheers, ymt.
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71308 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 18:46 |
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In rec.arts.books.tolkien Derek Broughton <news [at] pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> No, you probably just think he started it because you have Mr.Martinez
> killfiled. :-)
> --
No, I don't believe in killfiles.
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71310 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 18:52 |
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Tamim <hallaril [at] hotmail.com> wrote in
news:da17lj$5jb$2 [at] oravannahka.helsinki.fi:
> In rec.arts.books.tolkien Derek Broughton <news [at] pointerstop.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> No, you probably just think he started it because you have
>> Mr.Martinez killfiled. :-)
>
> No, I don't believe in killfiles.
But there is abundant empirical proof that they exist.
--
Cheers, ymt.
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71311 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 18:53 |
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What about killphials?
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71312 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 18:55 |
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In alt.fan.tolkien Yuk Tang <jimlaker2 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> Tamim <hallaril [at] hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:da17lj$5jb$2 [at] oravannahka.helsinki.fi:
>> In rec.arts.books.tolkien Derek Broughton <news [at] pointerstop.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No, you probably just think he started it because you have
>>> Mr.Martinez killfiled. :-)
>>
>> No, I don't believe in killfiles.
> But there is abundant empirical proof that they exist.
Since when has proof meant anything to believers?
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71319 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 19:26 |
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Tamim wrote on June 30:
>Since when has proof meant anything to believers?
You have just aptly described the Tolkien News Group Seminar's
philosophy. I wish Google would let me do a .signature. That would be
a cool one.
--
Tolkien News Group Seminar: Rewriting Tolkien the way THEY want him to
read.
"Since when has proof meant anything to believers?" - Tamim, June 30,
2005
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71330 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 21:40 |
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Michael [at] xenite.org wrote:
> Larry Swain wrote on June 29:
>
>>Ah yes, the ol' "you're dishonest" nonsense. But I see that I do owe you an apology
>>there. I know Xlibris as a vanity press and since that is where Visualizing Middle Earth
>>was published, I followed your earlier advice and connected the dots.
>
>
> Larry, you're incapable of connecting the dots.
Only you could turn an apology of sorts into an insult! To think I once
offered you an olive branch in all sincerity, not that you'd know what
sincerity was. But anyway, the proof is in the pudding, ol' son, and
you've connected dots that ought not be connected, so apparently you
lack the same skill you charge me with. MOre projection on our part.
>
> VISUALIZING MIDDLE-EARTH (there is a hyphen in "Middle-earth", btw) was
> published in 2000, when Xlibris had a program whereby people could
> publish books for free.
>
> Yes, I took the free option.
I thought I covered that above, perhaps not in the excruciating detail,
but covered nonetheless.
>
> But the majority of the essays had been written under contract, so the
> first publication rights had already been used, and I wasn't risking
> anything. So, I did not have to self-publish my writings about
> Tolkien, either.
Simple logic ol' son: THE MAJORITY, not all, the essays were written
under contract. In so far as not all of them were and you
self-published the collection, you've self-published your writings about
TOlkien. QED. And let's not forget your first hilarious foray into
things Tolkien.
I simply did so as a means of reaching a secondary
> market. The book has sold well through the years and is considered
> exceptional for self-published books (and given that my agent has
> negotiated foreign rights for the book, I'd say it was a pretty good
> deal).
No, not really, it just means that the person you pay to be your agent
is a good negotiator, so you chose your agent well. It doesn't say a
thing about the book.
> But here is some advice I have given you in past: get some facts before
> shooting your mouth off, because you really have no clue as to what
> you're talking about.
Tell you what Mikey, the day you "get some facts" and follow your own
advice, perhaps I'll consider giving you any credence whatsoever.
Otherwise your just an unattractive, self-promoting, gormless git still
single after all these years.
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71333 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 21:42 |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:05:01 -0600, "Michelle J. Haines"
<mhaines_enigo [at] enigo.com> wrote:
>Or maybe I just spend too much time amongst a bunch of
>hyper-argumentative groups.
Nope. You just fell for another fallacious argument from Michael
Wormtongue.
the softrat
"Honi soit qui mal y pense."
mailto:softrat [at] pobox.com
--
What you have to do is take the bull by the teeth.
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71343 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 22:30 |
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the softrat wrote on June 30:
> Nope. You just fell for another fallacious argument from Michael Wormtongue.
Let me get this straight. I refer to all the flaming in the news
group, Michelle rolls her eyes and says the equivalent of, "Flaming?
What flaming?", and you claim she has fallen "for another fallacious
argument from Michael Wormtongue".
Softrate, your capacity to look completely stupid AND malicious at the
same time is as potent as ever.
--
Tolkien News Group Seminar: Rewriting Tolkien the way THEY want him to
read.
"Since when has proof meant anything to believers?" - Tamim, June 30,
2005
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71345 ] |
Do, 30 Juni 2005 22:39 |
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Larry Swain wrote on June 30:
> Simple logic ol' son:
Larry, you're incapable of understanding logic.
> THE MAJORITY, not all, the essays were written under contract. In so far as not all of
> them were and you self-published the collection,
Wrong again. One essay in VISUALIZING MIDDLE-EARTH was written
specifically for a fan site that requested it.
They published it. I simply didn't charge for it.
You seriously need to take a chill pill and just give it up. I am NOT
going to reply the vast majority of your postings. You have more than
aptly demonstrated not only an extremely poor grasp of the basic facts
of the Tolkien texts, but also a total desire to use every discussion
available to discredit me as a Tolkien writer.
You couldn't reach a significant portion of my readership with your
backhanded compliments if you visited every Tolkien forum on the
Internet, Larry. So it really doesn't matter to me how often you trot
out your childish verbal slaps here in the flame groups.
You would do yourself far more credit to get some real facts together,
to start behaving like an honest, civil human being, and to stop hoping
you can somehow drag me down into that One Great Debate you keep hoping
for.
You'll never get it, Larry, and the sad thing is that you don't realize
that you are the only reason why you'll never get into a Great Debate.
You're incapable of structuring an argument well enough to hold up to
any sort of close review.
Put a little more effort into learning and understanding Tolkien, and
less into your Get Michael campaign, and you might one day advance to
the ranks of the David Day-quality loremasters.
Who knows? Maybe you'll live long enough to graduate from that group,
if you behave and concentrate on keeping the facts separate from your
fictions.
--
Tolkien News Group Seminar: Rewriting Tolkien the way THEY want him to
read.
"Since when has proof meant anything to believers?" - Tamim, June 30,
2005
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71351 ] |
Fr, 01 Juli 2005 00:48 |
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Larry Swain <theswain [at] operamail.com> wrote:
[about MM]
> And let's not forget your first hilarious foray
> into things Tolkien.
Do you mean that e-book collection of essays?
Or something before that?
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #71387 ] |
Fr, 01 Juli 2005 08:26 |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:05:01 -0600,
Michelle J. Haines <mhaines_enigo [at] enigo.com> wrote:
> Michael [at] xenite.org wrote:
>>
>> You're asking a hardened group of flamers to stop flaming.
>>
>> Just look at the way they treat anyone who expresses a point of view
>> they don't like.
>
> *rolls her eyes* Anyone who thinks this is a "hardened group of
> flamers" either doesn't spend enough time on the net where there are
> regular vicious arguments, or is using the definition of "everyone who
> disagrees with me is a flamer", or hasn't noticed that the nastiest
> arguments come out of his own keyboard. Arguments can get heated here,
> sometimes, and AC and I went a couple rounds when I was new, but
> "hardened group of flamers" this is not. In fact, most of the time it's
> pretty mellow.
>
> Sheesh.
>
> Or maybe I just spend too much time amongst a bunch of
> hyper-argumentative groups.
Don't feed the troll. He's here because no one else wants to play with him
anymore. He firmly believes that he knows the mind of Tolkien, and if you
don't simply roll over and agree with him, you're a flamer. He's pathetic,
worthless and now simply takes positions that he knows will infuriate
people.
If you've got a killfile, use it and make this troll disappear.
--
mightymartianca [at] hotmail.com
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #72681 ] |
Fr, 01 Juli 2005 16:07 |
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Yuk Tang wrote on June 30:
> Derek Broughton <n... [at] pointerstop.ca> wrote in
news:9v7dp2-nta.ln1 [at] othello.pointerstop.ca:
> > Michelle J. Haines wrote:
> >> Arguments can get heated here,
> >> sometimes, and AC and I went a couple rounds when I was new,
> >> but
> >> "hardened group of flamers" this is not. In fact, most of the
> >> time it's pretty mellow.
>
> >> Sheesh.
>
> >> Or maybe I just spend too much time amongst a bunch of
> >> hyper-argumentative groups.
>
> > No, this is as mellow as it gets.
>
> I imagine that alt.fan.mary-jane would be mellower still.
Hm.
Well, now that Aaron has decided to crank up the heat a little, he'll
probably be trolling several threads here for flames.
--
Tolkien News Group Seminar: Rewriting Tolkien the way THEY want him to
read.
"Since when has proof meant anything to believers?" - Tamim, June 30,
2005
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| Re: Dan C sends malicious e-mails [message #72885 ] |
So, 03 Juli 2005 19:27 |
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Michael [at] xenite.org wrote:
> Tamim wrote on June 30:
>
>>In alt.fan.tolkien Derek Broughton <n... [at] pointerstop.ca> wrote:
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>>>Aurious wrote:
>>>
>>>>I find it humorous that such an honored group that sees the greatness
>>>>in tolkiens works argues and bickers excessivley,
>>>
>>>Excessively??? You don't read many newsgroups, do you? This is almost all
>>>politeness. Even the Softrat, who can't help being gratuitously nasty, at
>>>least tends to know what he's talking about. There's only a couple of
>>>people who need to be permanently killfiled - the originator of this thread
>>>being one of them.
>>
>>Larry?
>
>
> No, anyone who runs into a discussion as poorly armed and with a
> blatant "KICK ME, I'M AN EGOTISTICAL IDIOT" sign plastered all over his
> back like Michael does should be left out of the killfiles for the pure
> sake of entertainment. His technical blunders and rewrites are always
> good for a laugh.
>
> I believe Derek was referring to the "CHALK FLEW UP" screen name.
Aw Michael, you do care!! I'm touched!! Course I learned it all from
you....
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So, 03 Juli 2005 19:28 |
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Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
> Larry Swain <theswain [at] operamail.com> wrote:
>
> [about MM]
>
>
>>And let's not forget your first hilarious foray
>>into things Tolkien.
>
>
> Do you mean that e-book collection of essays?
> Or something before that?
That'll do for starters.....
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So, 03 Juli 2005 20:06 |
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Michael [at] xenite.org wrote:
> Larry Swain wrote on June 30:
>
>>Simple logic ol' son:
>
>
> Larry, you're incapable of understanding logic.
>
>
>>THE MAJORITY, not all, the essays were written under contract. In so far as not all of
>>them were and you self-published the collection,
>
>
> Wrong again. One essay in VISUALIZING MIDDLE-EARTH was written
> specifically for a fan site that requested it.
>
> They published it. I simply didn't charge for it.
Funny thing though Mikey, from your own web page: "First, it is a
successful self-published collection of essays...", you describe it in
the terms I did....a self-published collection of essays.
>
> You seriously need to take a chill pill and just give it up. I am NOT
> going to reply the vast majority of your postings.
Like I care if you do or not....proving you wrong, or even agreeing with
you when I think you're right, and just plain making fun of you has
nothing to do with whether you interact or not. YOu should know that by
now.
You have more than
> aptly demonstrated not only an extremely poor grasp of the basic facts
> of the Tolkien texts,
According to you, EVERYONE but you has done this, so I figure I'm in
good company.
but also a total desire to use every discussion
> available to discredit me as a Tolkien writer.
Nope, had many, many discussions here and in other fora where, shock and
awe Mikey, you've not even come up in the discussion. I know that you
must reeling now to discover that you are not the center of everyone's
Tolkien universe, but there ya go.
You discredit yourself very well on your own, you don't need my help to
do it.
>
> You couldn't reach a significant portion of my readership with your
> backhanded compliments if you visited every Tolkien forum on the
> Internet, Larry.
So? YOu seem to think I care about you one way or the other. These
little exchanges when you show up somewhere like this are entertaining,
but you've shown your true colors Michael and just aren't worth the
effort. If poor suckers think of you as a valid Tolkien commentator,
well that's their problem, not mine.
So it really doesn't matter to me how often you trot
> out your childish verbal slaps here in the flame groups.
Cool! Then you don't mind!! That's great that I have your apathy and
so carte blanche! Course I have to wonder, as someone else did here,
why if you have so many readers across so wide a spectrum who laud the
great MM you come here where few like you and where you state
perpetually you don't like to be involved....sounds like you need our
attention more than you wish to admit.
>
> You would do yourself far more credit to get some real facts together,
> to start behaving like an honest, civil human being,
Tried that Michael....I have offered you sincerely the ol' olive branch,
and you returned it with invective of a kind I can only try to emulate.
and to stop hoping
> you can somehow drag me down into that One Great Debate you keep hoping
> for.
Oh, that's funny!! I'm surprised you've popped up here, since the only
places you debate are places where you can kick anyone who can prove you
wrong off the site, showing what a pathetic little soul you are. As for
my desires, I have no need for "the one Great Debate" with you, I just
wish you'd stop lieing about one of my favorite authors is all.
>
> You'll never get it, Larry, and the sad thing is that you don't realize
> that you are the only reason why you'll never get into a Great Debate.
See? Now not only do you lie about Tolkien, you even lie about me.
> You're incapable of structuring an argument well enough to hold up to
> any sort of close review.
Well, Michael, you should know all about argument since you engage in
several fallacies just about every post. I figure you must be the
expert then.
>
> Put a little more effort into learning and understanding Tolkien, and
> less into your Get Michael campaign,
I know you think you're the center of all things Tolkien, Michael, but I
have no "Get Michael" campaign. If you show up somewhere like here or
other places I'm subscribed and post nonsense, I'll probably respond.
But other than that, you're just a pathetic little man who thinks people
are interested in him and what he has to say.
and you might one day advance to
> the ranks of the David Day-quality loremasters.
Aw, shucks, Michael, you do too much credit!
> Who knows? Maybe you'll live long enough to graduate from that group,
> if you behave and concentrate on keeping the facts separate from your
> fictions.
>
Yeah, and maybe not even have to self-publish my work or write web pages
tooting my own horn because no one else will...won't that be grand to
be at your level. Can hardly wait.
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