| real world Minas Tirith [message #67817] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 13:23 |
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Just saw this real world spitting image of Minas Tirith on tv. Ok, it
doesn't have seven rings and it's a seaside location, but I thought you
might enjoy a look at the Mont St. Michel in the Normandy, France.
Stunning location, if you ask me.
http://www.pbase.com/francist/le_mont_stmichelle_mont_stmich el&page=all
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #67818 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 15:06 |
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Hardy Hestert wrote:
> Just saw this real world spitting image of Minas Tirith on tv. Ok, it
> doesn't have seven rings and it's a seaside location, but I thought you
> might enjoy a look at the Mont St. Michel in the Normandy, France.
> Stunning location, if you ask me.
>
> http://www.pbase.com/francist/le_mont_stmichelle_mont_stmich el&page=all
That's not Minas Tirith. I thought it was Camelot (or maybe it was
Launcelot's home - something from the Morte d'Arthur, anyway).
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derek
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #67819 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 15:36 |
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It does resemble Tolkien's rendering of Minas Tirith to a certain
degree.
I don't know if he was ever in that area, though.
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #67823 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 17:46 |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 06:36:50 -0700, Michael wrote:
> It does resemble Tolkien's rendering of Minas Tirith to a certain
> degree.
You really should learn to quote some of the text which you are replying
to. Then people might know what you are talking about.
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If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
Linux Registered User #327951
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #67827 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 18:59 |
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You really should learn to keep your nose out of other people's affairs.
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #67828 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 19:16 |
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Dan wrote a typically news group condescending piece of smarf.
> [deleted]
There was no need to quote the text in this discussion, Dan, as the
subject line makes it clear I was following up to the Hardy Hestert
thread.
Of course, if you want you to ask Google to stop improving their
interface, I'll be most appreciative.
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #67829 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 19:22 |
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do you really mean that? Really, really, I mean.
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #67834 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 20:46 |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:16:01 -0700, Michael wrote:
> Of course, if you want you to ask Google to stop improving their
> interface, I'll be most appreciative.
Do you lack the computer/technical competence to use a real newsreader
application? Why do you post from Google Groups, anyway?
--
If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
Linux Registered User #327951
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #67840 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 22:51 |
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"Hardy Hestert" <hestert [at] t-online.de> wrote in message
news:42BBED22.598E8B8 [at] t-online.de...
> Just saw this real world spitting image of Minas Tirith on tv. Ok, it
> doesn't have seven rings and it's a seaside location, but I thought you
> might enjoy a look at the Mont St. Michel in the Normandy, France.
> Stunning location, if you ask me.
>
> http://www.pbase.com/francist/le_mont_stmichelle_mont_stmich el&page=all
http://addlaseyne.free.fr/etoiles/ImgChp1/Grand/8_Mont_St_Mi chel.jpg
check out this link
wow, a reason to go to France!
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #67841 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 23:01 |
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Dan C wrote on June 24:
>Do you lack the computer/technical competence to use a real newsreader
>application? Why do you post from Google Groups, anyway?
Portability. Ease of access.
I put up with the sucky improvements in interface design because,
frankly, I never met a newsreader yet that didn't get progressively
worse with each upgrade as well.
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #67848 ] |
Sa, 25 Juni 2005 00:17 |
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Michael [at] xenite.org wrote in
news:1119646916.799632.306850 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> Dan C wrote on June 24:
>>Do you lack the computer/technical competence to use a real
>>newsreader application? Why do you post from Google Groups,
>>anyway?
>
> Portability. Ease of access.
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> I put up with the sucky improvements in interface design because,
> frankly, I never met a newsreader yet that didn't get
> progressively worse with each upgrade as well.
Use xnews, which is easily portable between machines (just copy the
folder over). It's also reached its final version, having last been
updated in 2002, and having reached a point that its creator deems
ideal for his own use.
http://xnews.newsguy.com/
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Cheers, ymt.
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #67850 ] |
Sa, 25 Juni 2005 01:41 |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:01:56 -0700, Michael wrote:
>>Do you lack the computer/technical competence to use a real newsreader
>>application? Why do you post from Google Groups, anyway?
> I put up with the sucky improvements in interface design because,
> frankly, I never met a newsreader yet that didn't get progressively
> worse with each upgrade as well.
Then stop upgrading it. Assuming you are using Windows, I hear that Forte
Agent and Xnews are nice, not to mention the Mozilla Thunderbird
email/newsgroups app...
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If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
Linux Registered User #327951
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #67852 ] |
Sa, 25 Juni 2005 02:17 |
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"Hardy Hestert" <hestert [at] t-online.de> wrote in message
news:42BBED22.598E8B8 [at] t-online.de...
> Just saw this real world spitting image of Minas Tirith on tv. Ok, it
> doesn't have seven rings and it's a seaside location, but I thought you
> might enjoy a look at the Mont St. Michel in the Normandy, France.
> Stunning location, if you ask me.
>
> http://www.pbase.com/francist/le_mont_stmichelle_mont_stmich el&page=all
I believe the model for the throne room of MT was modelled after the
Romanesque church of Vezalay.
see: www.roman.net/vezalay/vezalay.htm
There is a picture of the sanctuary that struck me as Denethor's domain!
Sue
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #67858 ] |
Sa, 25 Juni 2005 03:50 |
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In alt.fan.tolkien Hardy Hestert <hestert [at] t-online.de> wrote:
: Just saw this real world spitting image of Minas Tirith on tv. Ok, it
: doesn't have seven rings and it's a seaside location, but I thought you
: might enjoy a look at the Mont St. Michel in the Normandy, France.
: Stunning location, if you ask me.
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: http://www.pbase.com/francist/le_mont_stmichelle_mont_stmich el&page=all
Not sure what the most Minas-Tirith-like cities are...Macchu Picchu
is hilly and with layers of walls too...but what gets me about Mont
St. Michel is that,across the English Channel,is a place with the
same name in English (St. Michael's Mount) and similar tidal status
(for centuries,Mont St. Michel has been connected to the mainland by
a causeway at high tide,the long-flooded plain around it exposed only
at low tide;while St. Michael's Mount is an island at high tide and
a causeway appears at low tide).
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #67862 ] |
Sa, 25 Juni 2005 05:12 |
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Hardy Hestert wrote:
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> Just saw this real world spitting image of Minas Tirith on tv...
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> http://www.pbase.com/francist/le_mont_stmichelle_mont_stmich el&page=all
Le Grande Rue looks a bit like Dragon Alley in _Harry Potter_.
Sean
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #67891 ] |
So, 26 Juni 2005 01:21 |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 03:12:36 GMT, Sean <no.spam [at] no.spam> wrote:
>Hardy Hestert wrote:
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>> Just saw this real world spitting image of Minas Tirith on tv...
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>> http://www.pbase.com/francist/le_mont_stmichelle_mont_stmich el&page=all
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>Le Grande Rue looks a bit like Dragon Alley in _Harry Potter_.
>
>Sean
There has never been a mention of "Dragon Alley" in any Harry Potter
book. We have seen and read about Diagon and Knockturn Alleys,
though.
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #67892 ] |
So, 26 Juni 2005 01:24 |
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Derek Broughton wrote:
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[Mont St-Michel]
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> That's not Minas Tirith. I thought it was Camelot (or maybe it was
> Launcelot's home - something from the Morte d'Arthur, anyway).
In Mary Stewart's Arthurian novel _The Wicked Day_ it's the hideout
for a gang of outlaws, led by a giant, who rape & murder Elen /
Elaine. She attributes the legendary kernel of the episode to
Geoffrey of Monmouth rather than to Malory.
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Odysseus
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #68885 ] |
Mo, 27 Juni 2005 15:28 |
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Michael [at] xenite.org wrote:
> It does resemble Tolkien's rendering of Minas Tirith to a certain
> degree.
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> I don't know if he was ever in that area, though.
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a) yes, I believe he was, during WWI, though I may be misremembering
b) no matter in any case, Mont St. Michel was and is famous and was
often depicted in art, described in manuscripts and texts Tolkien was
familiar with, and accessible by boat from England, and once
photography was widespread, often photographed and ued in movies
But I agree with you--I don't think MSM is a direct influence on
Tolkien's depiction of Minas Tirith, but it certainly is on Jackson's
depiction of the city.
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #70309 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 14:31 |
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Both have spires; there the resemblence ends. MSM is out in the sea,
that is the opposite of MT which is built into the mountains. MSM is a
pretty monastery, MT is a rock-hard castle.
Google the castle in Salzburg, that is much more similar.
Masada is somehat similar, though much more barren.
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| Re: real world Minas Tirith [message #74602 ] |
Mi, 06 Juli 2005 17:24 |
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sugrifin wrote:
[real world Minas Tirith]
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> I believe the model for the throne room of MT was modelled after the
> Romanesque church of Vezalay.
> see: www.roman.net/vezalay/vezalay.htm
> There is a picture of the sanctuary that struck me as Denethor's domain!
> Sue
Hi!
I don't find the inside of St. Vezelay too similar to the throne room of
Minas Tirith. Perhaps I haven't found the picture you referred to yet
since the link above shows me an error404 only.
St. Vezelay seems to be romanesque on the step to gothic as far as I can
tell while Minas Tirith looks altogehter very romanesque.
regards - gerriT
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