| Sarek and Amanda [message #66351] |
Do, 23 Juni 2005 22:57 |
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What a pair, huh? Huh?
We learned too little about them from Journey To Babel.
What do we really know about them?
Here's my page about Amanda...
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/amanda.htm
Comments?
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66361 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 00:10 |
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66367 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 01:02 |
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Neon Knight <knightofneon [at] spamex.com> wrote in
news:Xns967EAEACCCE4619knightofneon20 [at] 216.196.97.136:
> ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in news:11bm8h2kpiic248
> [at] news.supernews.com:
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>> What a pair, huh? Huh?
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>> We learned too little about them from Journey To Babel.
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> How does Sarek justify marrying a human? Where is the logic in that?
Why should he have to justify it. There was something about Amanda that
caused him to love her. It was probably her innner strenght. She spend
her life on a world where is would always be considered the outsider in
some quarters. Not being allowed to comfort her son when the taunts of
his peers became to much and having to remain silent when she wanted to
speak her mind about Sarek disowning his son. That takes a great deal of
inner strenght and courage.
--
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Have Fun
Night Spirit
The yellow jester does not play
But gently pulls the strings
And smiles as the puppets dance
In the court of the crimson king.
Blog: http://www.livejournal.com/~hipdale/
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66375 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 03:09 |
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66376 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 03:13 |
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:11bm8h2kpiic248 [at] news.supernews.com...
> What a pair, huh? Huh?
>
> We learned too little about them from Journey To Babel.
>
> What do we really know about them?
>
The real question is why does he keep marrying humans, with his utter
distain for them that he displays?
--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66377 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 03:29 |
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Neon Knight <knightofneon [at] spamex.com> wrote in
news:Xns967ECD17956B619knightofneon20 [at] 216.196.97.136:
> Nightspirit <nightspirit2 [at] removethieearthlink.net> wrote in
> news:d9f10b.33c.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org:
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>> Why should he have to justify it. There was something about Amanda
>> that caused him to love her.
>
> Love???? You don't know much about Vulcans, do you?
Vulcan have emotions they just control them.
--
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Have Fun
Night Spirit
The yellow jester does not play
But gently pulls the strings
And smiles as the puppets dance
In the court of the crimson king.
Blog: http://www.livejournal.com/~hipdale/
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66379 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 04:33 |
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"Nightspirit" <nightspirit2 [at] removethieearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:d9f9ir.110.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org...
> Neon Knight <knightofneon [at] spamex.com> wrote in
> news:Xns967ECD17956B619knightofneon20 [at] 216.196.97.136:
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> > Nightspirit <nightspirit2 [at] removethieearthlink.net> wrote in
> > news:d9f10b.33c.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org:
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> >> Why should he have to justify it. There was something about Amanda
> >> that caused him to love her.
> >
> > Love???? You don't know much about Vulcans, do you?
>
> Vulcan have emotions they just control them.
You beat me to it. I knew that's where that would go. Vulcans never claimed
to be without emotion, they just have rigid controls on them.
>
> --
> ---
> Have Fun
> Night Spirit
>
> The yellow jester does not play
> But gently pulls the strings
> And smiles as the puppets dance
> In the court of the crimson king.
>
> Blog: http://www.livejournal.com/~hipdale/
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66380 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 04:09 |
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66383 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 04:59 |
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"Neon Knight" <knightofneon [at] spamex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns967ED736DA15319knightofneon20 [at] 216.196.97.136...
> Nightspirit <nightspirit2 [at] removethieearthlink.net> wrote in
> news:d9f9ir.110.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org:
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> > Vulcan have emotions they just control them.
>
> Yes, they supress them, so suggesting that Sarek married Amanda because
> he loved her would be "illogical." It would be an admission that he has
> not successfully supressed it, he would not have achieved "kohlinar."
Controling and eliminating are two separate things.
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66385 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 04:42 |
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"Neon Knight" <knightofneon [at] spamex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns967ED736DA15319knightofneon20 [at] 216.196.97.136...
> Nightspirit <nightspirit2 [at] removethieearthlink.net> wrote in
> news:d9f9ir.110.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org:
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>> Vulcan have emotions they just control them.
>
> Yes, they supress them, so suggesting that Sarek married Amanda because
> he loved her would be "illogical." It would be an admission that he has
> not successfully supressed it, he would not have achieved "kohlinar."
Sarek never pursued Kohlinar as far as we know. Kohlinar is a /chosen/
discipline; not every Vulcan goes through the studies and ritual cleansing
of emotions. As a matter of information Sarek shows quite a bit of emotion
in all scenes in which he appears - nicely moderated, but there quite
visibly for those who can sense this. From his actions he has never chosen
Kohlinar - including his disapproval of Spock joining Star Fleet and his
friendship with Kirk and McCoy (which he only reverses in STIV:TVH). A
Vulcan of Kohlinar logic would not voice disapproval - only black or white
logical reasons as to why such decisions are rational.
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66389 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 07:31 |
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Neon Knight wrote:
> Nightspirit <nightspirit2 [at] removethieearthlink.net> wrote in
> news:d9f10b.33c.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org:
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>>Why should he have to justify it. There was something about Amanda
>>that caused him to love her.
>
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> Love???? You don't know much about Vulcans, do you?
What is that supposed to mean?
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66390 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 08:14 |
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ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in
news:11bn6kup6ovp09f [at] news.supernews.com:
> Neon Knight wrote:
>> Nightspirit <nightspirit2 [at] removethieearthlink.net> wrote in
>> news:d9f10b.33c.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org:
>>
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>>>Why should he have to justify it. There was something about Amanda
>>>that caused him to love her.
>>
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>> Love???? You don't know much about Vulcans, do you?
>
> What is that supposed to mean?
>
He's one of those that think Vulcan are emotionless which they are not.
As I explained to him they control them through logic.
--
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Have Fun
Night Spirit
The yellow jester does not play
But gently pulls the strings
And smiles as the puppets dance
In the court of the crimson king.
Blog: http://www.livejournal.com/~hipdale/
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66391 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 08:24 |
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"Neon Knight" <knightofneon [at] spamex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns967ECD17956B619knightofneon20 [at] 216.196.97.136...
> Nightspirit <nightspirit2 [at] removethieearthlink.net> wrote in
> news:d9f10b.33c.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org:
>
>> Why should he have to justify it. There was something about Amanda
>> that caused him to love her.
>
> Love???? You don't know much about Vulcans, do you
I thought we knew he loved her from the that episode in TNG where he was
losing control on his emotions
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66392 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 09:33 |
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kathryn wrote:
> "Neon Knight" <knightofneon [at] spamex.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns967ECD17956B619knightofneon20 [at] 216.196.97.136...
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>>Nightspirit <nightspirit2 [at] removethieearthlink.net> wrote in
>>news:d9f10b.33c.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org:
>>
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>>>Why should he have to justify it. There was something about Amanda
>>>that caused him to love her.
>>
>>Love???? You don't know much about Vulcans, do you
>
>
> I thought we knew he loved her from the that episode in TNG where he was
> losing control on his emotions
That wasn't Amanda, that was Perrin.
FWIW, Spock asks Sarek why he married Amanda in Journey to Babel.
His answer is "at the time, it seemed the logical thing to do."
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66931 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 16:57 |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:uHOue.51190$Vj3.21205 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> kathryn wrote:
>> "Neon Knight" <knightofneon [at] spamex.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns967ECD17956B619knightofneon20 [at] 216.196.97.136...
>>
>>>Nightspirit <nightspirit2 [at] removethieearthlink.net> wrote in
>>>news:d9f10b.33c.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Why should he have to justify it. There was something about Amanda
>>>>that caused him to love her.
>>>
>>>Love???? You don't know much about Vulcans, do you
>>
>>
>> I thought we knew he loved her from the that episode in TNG where he was
>> losing control on his emotions
>
> That wasn't Amanda, that was Perrin.
He mentions Amanda and Spock, too.
> FWIW, Spock asks Sarek why he married Amanda in Journey to Babel.
> His answer is "at the time, it seemed the logical thing to do."
And THAT has fueled fanfic for years... :-)
--
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Laura Ware (bookwormlady [at] earthlink.net)
"The federal judiciary is working like gravity by night and by day, gaining
a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like
a thief over the field of jurisdiction until all shall be usurped from the
States, and the government of all be consolidated into one (i.e.,
federalization)"
- Thomas Jefferson
Visit my blog at http://lauraslook.blogspot.com/
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66934 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 18:20 |
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Laura Ware wrote:
> "Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
> news:uHOue.51190$Vj3.21205 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
>>kathryn wrote:
>>
>>>"Neon Knight" <knightofneon [at] spamex.com> wrote in message
>>>news:Xns967ECD17956B619knightofneon20 [at] 216.196.97.136...
>>>
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>>>>Nightspirit <nightspirit2 [at] removethieearthlink.net> wrote in
>>>>news:d9f10b.33c.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Why should he have to justify it. There was something about Amanda
>>>>>that caused him to love her.
>>>>
>>>>Love???? You don't know much about Vulcans, do you
>>>
>>>
>>>I thought we knew he loved her from the that episode in TNG where he was
>>>losing control on his emotions
>>
>>That wasn't Amanda, that was Perrin.
>
>
> He mentions Amanda and Spock, too.
Right.
>>FWIW, Spock asks Sarek why he married Amanda in Journey to Babel.
>>His answer is "at the time, it seemed the logical thing to do."
>
>
> And THAT has fueled fanfic for years... :-)
Yeah? Never read the stuff myself, writing one was bad enough!
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66938 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 19:57 |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:uHOue.51190$Vj3.21205 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> kathryn wrote:
>> "Neon Knight" <knightofneon [at] spamex.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns967ECD17956B619knightofneon20 [at] 216.196.97.136...
>>
>>>Nightspirit <nightspirit2 [at] removethieearthlink.net> wrote in
>>>news:d9f10b.33c.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Why should he have to justify it. There was something about Amanda
>>>>that caused him to love her.
>>>
>>>Love???? You don't know much about Vulcans, do you
>>
>>
>> I thought we knew he loved her from the that episode in TNG where he was
>> losing control on his emotions
>
> That wasn't Amanda, that was Perrin.
>
> FWIW, Spock asks Sarek why he married Amanda in Journey to Babel.
> His answer is "at the time, it seemed the logical thing to do."
>
> --
> Graham Kennedy
>
> Creator and Author,
> Daystrom Institute Technical Library
> http://www.ditl.org
AH yeah cause Amanda would be dead by then
I should really watch my DVDs
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66942 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 22:35 |
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Every vulcan guy wants earth pussy, few are successful
"Neon Knight" <knightofneon [at] spamex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns967EAEACCCE4619knightofneon20 [at] 216.196.97.136...
> ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in news:11bm8h2kpiic248
> [at] news.supernews.com:
>
>> What a pair, huh? Huh?
>>
>> We learned too little about them from Journey To Babel.
>
> How does Sarek justify marrying a human? Where is the logic in that?
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66943 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 23:11 |
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"Brenda" <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:d9fb7k.1fs.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org...
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> "Nightspirit" <nightspirit2 [at] removethieearthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:d9f9ir.110.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org...
> > Neon Knight <knightofneon [at] spamex.com> wrote in
> > news:Xns967ECD17956B619knightofneon20 [at] 216.196.97.136:
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> > > Nightspirit <nightspirit2 [at] removethieearthlink.net> wrote in
> > > news:d9f10b.33c.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org:
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> > >> Why should he have to justify it. There was something about Amanda
> > >> that caused him to love her.
> > >
> > > Love???? You don't know much about Vulcans, do you?
> >
> > Vulcan have emotions they just control them.
>
> You beat me to it. I knew that's where that would go. Vulcans never
claimed
> to be without emotion, they just have rigid controls on them.
Hmmm, okay I'll be the one to start the war. I am not so sure either of
the words "eliminate" or "control" adequately describe it, and I think it
may make more sense to say Vulcan's don't have emotions. I know Deanna
specifically said "Vulcans have emotions like the rest of us they've just
learned to supress them". But what does that mean? That Vulcans actually
feel an emotion coming on, but then just kind of bury it? Humans do that all
the time, there is nothing special about that. TOS is really no help since
it alternated between the view that Vulcans are emotionless and Vulcans are
overly emotional.
I hate to quote Voyager as canon, but Tuvok's mentoring of Harry seemed
to say that Vulcans learn to see through an event to its essence and free
ones self from emotional judgement about it. In this context it makes more
sense to say Vulcans don't feel emotions at all because emotions never
develop in response to anything. Though they can slip if mental disciplines
are not practiced ala T'Pol in Fusion. Makes more sense to me than the
contradictory way TOS and TNG handled questions about Vulcans.
This also raises the interesting question of what Vulcan children are
like. Since they haven't mastered emotional control yet they must be holy
terrors.
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> > Night Spirit
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> > The yellow jester does not play
> > But gently pulls the strings
> > And smiles as the puppets dance
> > In the court of the crimson king.
> >
> > Blog: http://www.livejournal.com/~hipdale/
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66945 ] |
Fr, 24 Juni 2005 23:30 |
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Once you go green, you never go back.
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 16:35:08 -0400, "Sarge" <Sarge [at] bmik.org> wrote:
>Every vulcan guy wants earth pussy, few are successful
>
>"Neon Knight" <knightofneon [at] spamex.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns967EAEACCCE4619knightofneon20 [at] 216.196.97.136...
>> ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in news:11bm8h2kpiic248
>> [at] news.supernews.com:
>>
>>> What a pair, huh? Huh?
>>>
>>> We learned too little about them from Journey To Babel.
>>
>> How does Sarek justify marrying a human? Where is the logic in that?
>
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #66950 ] |
Sa, 25 Juni 2005 02:41 |
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"RageForTheMachine" <rageforthemachine [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:JF_ue.8803$NX4.6414 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
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> "Brenda" <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> > "Nightspirit" <nightspirit2 [at] removethieearthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:d9f9ir.110.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org...
> > > Neon Knight <knightofneon [at] spamex.com> wrote in
> > > news:Xns967ECD17956B619knightofneon20 [at] 216.196.97.136:
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> > > > Nightspirit <nightspirit2 [at] removethieearthlink.net> wrote in
> > > > news:d9f10b.33c.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org:
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> > > >> Why should he have to justify it. There was something about Amanda
> > > >> that caused him to love her.
> > > >
> > > > Love???? You don't know much about Vulcans, do you?
> > >
> > > Vulcan have emotions they just control them.
> >
> > You beat me to it. I knew that's where that would go. Vulcans never
> claimed
> > to be without emotion, they just have rigid controls on them.
>
> Hmmm, okay I'll be the one to start the war. I am not so sure either
of
> the words "eliminate" or "control" adequately describe it, and I think it
> may make more sense to say Vulcan's don't have emotions.
*shrug* It doesn't matter how we choose to describe it, there are several
instances
in trek where it's made clear that Vulcans control their emotions and
instead use
logic to make decisions. No where does it state they have no emotions. So
whether
we thinks it's been portrayed as such or not, it remains that trek
establishes they
do indeed have emotions they just have rigid controls on them.
No war. Trek.
I know Deanna
> specifically said "Vulcans have emotions like the rest of us they've just
> learned to supress them". But what does that mean? That Vulcans actually
> feel an emotion coming on, but then just kind of bury it? Humans do that
all
> the time, there is nothing special about that. TOS is really no help since
> it alternated between the view that Vulcans are emotionless and Vulcans
are
> overly emotional.
> I hate to quote Voyager as canon, but Tuvok's mentoring of Harry
seemed
> to say that Vulcans learn to see through an event to its essence and free
> ones self from emotional judgement about it. In this context it makes more
> sense to say Vulcans don't feel emotions at all because emotions never
> develop in response to anything. Though they can slip if mental
disciplines
> are not practiced ala T'Pol in Fusion. Makes more sense to me than the
> contradictory way TOS and TNG handled questions about Vulcans.
> This also raises the interesting question of what Vulcan children are
> like. Since they haven't mastered emotional control yet they must be holy
> terrors.
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> > > Night Spirit
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> > > The yellow jester does not play
> > > But gently pulls the strings
> > > And smiles as the puppets dance
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #68566 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 00:48 |
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Graham Kennedy wrote:
> Laura Ware wrote:
>> And THAT has fueled fanfic for years... :-)
>
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> Yeah? Never read the stuff myself, writing one was bad enough!
You wrote one? Can I read it?
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #68567 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 00:49 |
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Sarge wrote:
> Every vulcan guy wants earth pussy
Hell yes! Earth women are hot! :) Everybody knows that! :)
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #68568 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 00:54 |
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RageForTheMachine wrote:
> Hmmm, okay I'll be the one to start the war. I am not so sure either of
> the words "eliminate" or "control" adequately describe it, and I think it
> may make more sense to say Vulcan's don't have emotions. I know Deanna
> specifically said "Vulcans have emotions like the rest of us they've just
> learned to supress them". But what does that mean?
It means that Vulcans do have emotions, they just learn to suppress them.
> That Vulcans actually
> feel an emotion coming on, but then just kind of bury it? Humans do that all
> the time, there is nothing special about that. TOS is really no help since
> it alternated between the view that Vulcans are emotionless and Vulcans are
> overly emotional.
No, TOS was the series that established that Vulcans are not usually
emotional, because they have been trained to suppress it. TOS started
everything Trek-related, including Vulcans.
> I hate to quote Voyager as canon
Doesn't ~everybody~?
> but Tuvok's mentoring of Harry seemed
> to say that Vulcans learn to see through an event to its essence and free
> ones self from emotional judgement about it. In this context it makes more
> sense to say Vulcans don't feel emotions at all because emotions never
> develop in response to anything. Though they can slip if mental disciplines
> are not practiced ala T'Pol in Fusion. Makes more sense to me than the
> contradictory way TOS and TNG handled questions about Vulcans.
Vulcans have emotions, they just learn to suppress them. That's not
new. That's the way Vulcans have always been.
> This also raises the interesting question of what Vulcan children are
> like. Since they haven't mastered emotional control yet they must be holy
> terrors.
Well, yeah.
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #68608 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 07:04 |
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:11c10t6sb8nsk75 [at] news.supernews.com...
> RageForTheMachine wrote:
>
>> Hmmm, okay I'll be the one to start the war. I am not so sure either
>> of
>> the words "eliminate" or "control" adequately describe it, and I think it
>> may make more sense to say Vulcan's don't have emotions. I know Deanna
>> specifically said "Vulcans have emotions like the rest of us they've just
>> learned to supress them". But what does that mean?
>
> It means that Vulcans do have emotions, they just learn to suppress them.
So that means Vulcans actually experience emotions? To say a person
has emotions is to say they feel them. To say a person has emotions but
doesn't feel them is like saying someone is in terrible pain, they just
aren't feeling it. I don't believe Vulcans actually feel emotions and then
surpress them. We all know Vulcans are naturally prone to intense emotions,
but that doesn't mean they still fell them.
>
>> That Vulcans actually
>> feel an emotion coming on, but then just kind of bury it? Humans do that
>> all
>> the time, there is nothing special about that. TOS is really no help
>> since
>> it alternated between the view that Vulcans are emotionless and Vulcans
>> are
>> overly emotional.
>
> No, TOS was the series that established that Vulcans are not usually
> emotional, because they have been trained to suppress it. TOS started
> everything Trek-related, including Vulcans.
Lately I have been thinking that TOS should not be viewed as canon.
>
>> I hate to quote Voyager as canon
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> Doesn't ~everybody~?
>
>> but Tuvok's mentoring of Harry seemed
>> to say that Vulcans learn to see through an event to its essence and free
>> ones self from emotional judgement about it. In this context it makes
>> more
>> sense to say Vulcans don't feel emotions at all because emotions never
>> develop in response to anything. Though they can slip if mental
>> disciplines
>> are not practiced ala T'Pol in Fusion. Makes more sense to me than the
>> contradictory way TOS and TNG handled questions about Vulcans.
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> Vulcans have emotions, they just learn to suppress them. That's not new.
> That's the way Vulcans have always been.
So what you are saying is Vulcans surpress their emotions?
>
>> This also raises the interesting question of what Vulcan children are
>> like. Since they haven't mastered emotional control yet they must be holy
>> terrors.
>
> Well, yeah.
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #68609 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 07:22 |
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Matthew Aiello wrote:
> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote
>>Vulcans do have emotions, they just learn to suppress them.
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> So that means Vulcans actually experience emotions?
Yes.
> To say a person
> has emotions is to say they feel them.
They learn to not feel them. There would be no need for that if they
had none at all.
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #68610 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 07:23 |
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Matthew Aiello wrote:
> To say a person has emotions but
> doesn't feel them is like saying someone is in terrible pain, they just
> aren't feeling it.
No arguement.
> I don't believe Vulcans actually feel emotions and then
> surpress them. We all know Vulcans are naturally prone to intense emotions,
> but that doesn't mean they still fell them.
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>>TOS was the series that established that Vulcans are not usually
>>emotional, because they have been trained to suppress it. TOS started
>>everything Trek-related, including Vulcans.
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>
> Lately I have been thinking that TOS should not be viewed as canon.
LOL good one. :) Maybe you are right. ::jiggle:: :)
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| Re: Sarek and Amanda [message #69992 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 13:39 |
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"Matthew Aiello" <rageforthemachine [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:eT4we.12857$pa3.9935 [at] newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> It means that Vulcans do have emotions, they just learn to suppress them.
> So that means Vulcans actually experience emotions? To say a person
> has emotions is to say they feel them. To say a person has emotions but
> doesn't feel them is like saying someone is in terrible pain, they just
> aren't feeling it. I don't believe Vulcans actually feel emotions and then
> surpress them. We all know Vulcans are naturally prone to intense
> emotions, but that doesn't mean they still fell them.
They feel emotions. There are many level of emotional suppression
available; you still experience them but do not allow them to be physical
expressed. They stay at the level of emotional suppression where the
emotion is created but it is controlled at the conscious level, controlling
it at the subconscious/conscious interface before it fully emerges into the
consciousness - this location is the most effective for that level of
control
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