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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters
| (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #58240] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 03:07 |
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I vote for Worf's son Alexander. Any episode that featured him was a
guaranteed sleeping pill; especially the early episodes when he was a child.
Other notable shit characters:
Wesley Crusher- Also had boring episodes when he was the focus of the show,
only slightly less boring than Alexander.
Quark's brother- Can't remember his name thankfully. Only remember he was
boring.
The entire cast of Voyager.
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #58243 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 03:30 |
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Weasily a.k.a. The Boy.
--
--- "Damn dirty fleas..."
--- "Ever notice that at the start of a cartoon, Casper has no friends, and
by the end, he has some. Yet, in the next cartoon, he's friendless again?
Therefore, I think Casper is a soul-sucking-vampire-ghost."
--- Proud loser of TWO 2004 RSPW Poster Awards
--- 3rd Highest Vote-Getter in KORSPW 2005
--- Space (Animal) Hero #1 of the 1950's and 60's
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #58248 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 07:06 |
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"Captain Pike" <RedumblicansShouldBe [at] gaschambers.com> wrote in message
news:42a8e796$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
> I vote for Worf's son Alexander. Any episode that featured him was a
> guaranteed sleeping pill; especially the early episodes when he was a
child.
>
> Other notable shit characters:
> Wesley Crusher- Also had boring episodes when he was the focus of the
show,
> only slightly less boring than Alexander.
> Quark's brother- Can't remember his name thankfully. Only remember he was
> boring.
> The entire cast of Voyager.
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>
I loved Rom..... not only was he funny as hell, but he managed to bed
the Dabo girl. Now his son was another story.... those eps with the holodeck
lounge singer were awful!
--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #58249 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 07:21 |
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Wesley Crusher: the horror, the horror.
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #58250 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 07:42 |
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Captain Pike wrote:
> I vote for Worf's son Alexander. Any episode that featured him was a
> guaranteed sleeping pill; especially the early episodes when he was a child.
>
> Other notable shit characters:
> Wesley Crusher- Also had boring episodes when he was the focus of the show,
> only slightly less boring than Alexander.
> Quark's brother- Can't remember his name thankfully. Only remember he was
> boring.
> The entire cast of Voyager.
>
>
I can't believe you left out Luxana Troi. What a wretched character
that was. Her friggin' manservant was much more interesting, because he
didn't talk!
I would vote for *all* Ferengi. Creating that race was just damn
stupid. It was a cheap shot at capitalism and it got put into canon.
Thank God we didn't have to have as regular aliens the Binars or those
friggin' little androgynous Moe Howard clones that procreated by rubbing
their privates on a big egg. Ewww, and Riker wanted to F*ck that? Ewww!
--
Gerald
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #58251 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 08:08 |
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"Captain Pike" <RedumblicansShouldBe [at] gaschambers.com> wrote in message
news:42a8e796$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
>I vote for Worf's son Alexander. Any episode that featured him was a
> guaranteed sleeping pill; especially the early episodes when he was a
> child.
>
> Other notable shit characters:
> Wesley Crusher- Also had boring episodes when he was the focus of the
> show,
> only slightly less boring than Alexander.
> Quark's brother- Can't remember his name thankfully. Only remember he was
> boring.
> The entire cast of Voyager.
The entire cast of ST: Enterprise .. talk about put you to sleep
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #58429 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 03:30 |
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Weasily a.k.a. The Boy.
--
--- "Damn dirty fleas..."
--- "Ever notice that at the start of a cartoon, Casper has no friends, and
by the end, he has some. Yet, in the next cartoon, he's friendless again?
Therefore, I think Casper is a soul-sucking-vampire-ghost."
--- Proud loser of TWO 2004 RSPW Poster Awards
--- 3rd Highest Vote-Getter in KORSPW 2005
--- Space (Animal) Hero #1 of the 1950's and 60's
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #58464 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 07:06 |
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"Captain Pike" <RedumblicansShouldBe [at] gaschambers.com> wrote in message
news:42a8e796$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
> I vote for Worf's son Alexander. Any episode that featured him was a
> guaranteed sleeping pill; especially the early episodes when he was a
child.
>
> Other notable shit characters:
> Wesley Crusher- Also had boring episodes when he was the focus of the
show,
> only slightly less boring than Alexander.
> Quark's brother- Can't remember his name thankfully. Only remember he was
> boring.
> The entire cast of Voyager.
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>
I loved Rom..... not only was he funny as hell, but he managed to bed
the Dabo girl. Now his son was another story.... those eps with the holodeck
lounge singer were awful!
--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #58471 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 07:42 |
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Captain Pike wrote:
> I vote for Worf's son Alexander. Any episode that featured him was a
> guaranteed sleeping pill; especially the early episodes when he was a child.
>
> Other notable shit characters:
> Wesley Crusher- Also had boring episodes when he was the focus of the show,
> only slightly less boring than Alexander.
> Quark's brother- Can't remember his name thankfully. Only remember he was
> boring.
> The entire cast of Voyager.
>
>
I can't believe you left out Luxana Troi. What a wretched character
that was. Her friggin' manservant was much more interesting, because he
didn't talk!
I would vote for *all* Ferengi. Creating that race was just damn
stupid. It was a cheap shot at capitalism and it got put into canon.
Thank God we didn't have to have as regular aliens the Binars or those
friggin' little androgynous Moe Howard clones that procreated by rubbing
their privates on a big egg. Ewww, and Riker wanted to F*ck that? Ewww!
--
Gerald
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #58474 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 08:08 |
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"Captain Pike" <RedumblicansShouldBe [at] gaschambers.com> wrote in message
news:42a8e796$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
>I vote for Worf's son Alexander. Any episode that featured him was a
> guaranteed sleeping pill; especially the early episodes when he was a
> child.
>
> Other notable shit characters:
> Wesley Crusher- Also had boring episodes when he was the focus of the
> show,
> only slightly less boring than Alexander.
> Quark's brother- Can't remember his name thankfully. Only remember he was
> boring.
> The entire cast of Voyager.
The entire cast of ST: Enterprise .. talk about put you to sleep
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #58951 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 11:26 |
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"Captain Pike" <RedumblicansShouldBe [at] gaschambers.com> wrote in
news:42a8e796$1_2 [at] x-privat.org:
> I vote for Worf's son Alexander. Any episode that featured him was a
> guaranteed sleeping pill; especially the early episodes when he was a
> child.
>
> Other notable shit characters:
> Wesley Crusher- Also had boring episodes when he was the focus of the
> show, only slightly less boring than Alexander.
> Quark's brother- Can't remember his name thankfully. Only remember he
> was boring.
> The entire cast of Voyager.
>
>
T'pol
Janeway
Kes
Sybock
The betazoid in TINMAN
B-4
Picard's Clone
Tom Paris
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #58954 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 13:09 |
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"Gerald Meazell" <gerald [at] jateramortgage.com> wrote in message
news:8L9qe.3164$%j7.1669 [at] newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
> Captain Pike wrote:
>> I vote for Worf's son Alexander. Any episode that featured him was a
>> guaranteed sleeping pill; especially the early episodes when he was a
>> child.
>>
>> Other notable shit characters:
>> Wesley Crusher- Also had boring episodes when he was the focus of the
>> show,
>> only slightly less boring than Alexander.
>> Quark's brother- Can't remember his name thankfully. Only remember he was
>> boring.
>> The entire cast of Voyager.
>>
>>
>
> I can't believe you left out Luxana Troi. What a wretched character that
> was. Her friggin' manservant was much more interesting, because he didn't
> talk!
>
> I would vote for *all* Ferengi. Creating that race was just damn stupid.
> It was a cheap shot at capitalism and it got put into canon. Thank God we
> didn't have to have as regular aliens the Binars or those friggin' little
> androgynous Moe Howard clones that procreated by rubbing their privates on
> a big egg. Ewww, and Riker wanted to F*ck that? Ewww!
>
> --
> Gerald
The grand negus - as irritating as Jar Jar Binks!
and his right-hand man...the one doing audits of Quark's all the time.
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #58971 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 13:53 |
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"Captain Pike" <RedumblicansShouldBe [at] gaschambers.com> wrote in message
news:42a8e796$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
Neelix
Wesley
Deanna
Dr Crusher
Kes
Riker
Tucker
--
Qa'pla
Kweeg
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #58999 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 16:23 |
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"Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Hafqe.1634055$Xk.114405 [at] pd7tw3no...
> "Captain Pike" <RedumblicansShouldBe [at] gaschambers.com> wrote in message
> news:42a8e796$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
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> Neelix
> Wesley
> Deanna
> Dr Crusher
> Kes
> Riker
> Tucker
> --
>
> Qa'pla
> Kweeg
Then I guess you didn't like "These are the voyages" :-)
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59000 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 16:28 |
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"Moe Howard clones?" Oh, a wise guy! Moe would have appreciated that. :-)
http://www.captkundalini.com/Sounds/bone-head.mp3
"Gerald Meazell" <gerald [at] jateramortgage.com> wrote in message
news:8L9qe.3164$%j7.1669 [at] newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
> Captain Pike wrote:
>> I vote for Worf's son Alexander. Any episode that featured him was a
>> guaranteed sleeping pill; especially the early episodes when he was a
>> child.
>>
>> Other notable shit characters:
>> Wesley Crusher- Also had boring episodes when he was the focus of the
>> show,
>> only slightly less boring than Alexander.
>> Quark's brother- Can't remember his name thankfully. Only remember he was
>> boring.
>> The entire cast of Voyager.
>>
>>
>
> I can't believe you left out Luxana Troi. What a wretched character that
> was. Her friggin' manservant was much more interesting, because he didn't
> talk!
>
> I would vote for *all* Ferengi. Creating that race was just damn stupid.
> It was a cheap shot at capitalism and it got put into canon. Thank God we
> didn't have to have as regular aliens the Binars or those friggin' little
> androgynous Moe Howard clones that procreated by rubbing their privates on
> a big egg. Ewww, and Riker wanted to F*ck that? Ewww!
>
> --
> Gerald
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59009 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 17:42 |
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Wesley Crusher.
Note - Wesley, *not* Wil Wheaton. Wil played him well,
and seems like an extremely nice and level headed guy.
But the character sucked like a warp powered vacuum
cleaner.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59011 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 17:52 |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:qxiqe.131144$g12.51832 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> Wesley Crusher.
>
> Note - Wesley, *not* Wil Wheaton. Wil played him well,
> and seems like an extremely nice and level headed guy.
> But the character sucked like a warp powered vacuum
> cleaner.
Could you expound on that? Thanks.
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59017 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 18:17 |
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"Snake" <fluidNOstatesSPAM_REMOVECAPSTOREPLY [at] mindspring.com> wrote in
message news:VGiqe.535$fa3.57 [at] trndny01...
> "Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
> news:qxiqe.131144$g12.51832 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>
>> Wesley Crusher.
>>
>> Note - Wesley, *not* Wil Wheaton. Wil played him well,
>> and seems like an extremely nice and level headed guy.
>> But the character sucked like a warp powered vacuum
>> cleaner.
>
> Could you expound on that? Thanks.
>
>
Not sure why everybody hated Wes. Possibly because of the gay, lighthearted
nancy boy music they always played during his scenes. Or the dumb ass plot
involving Tal Alpha C. But I guess I never saw what was so awful about him.
He didn't annoy me.
I didn't care for Geordi too much, he was really boring. But the absolute
worst had to be counselor troi. She was originally intended as eye candy but
they developed the character into a mega-annoying whiney menace. "Captain, I
sense anger." No shit, counselor, they just fired at us. Plus, after the
first season what little looks she had completely disappeared as her ass
grew as wide as the view screen.
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59019 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 18:39 |
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Snake wrote:
> "Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
> news:qxiqe.131144$g12.51832 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
>>Wesley Crusher.
>>
>>Note - Wesley, *not* Wil Wheaton. Wil played him well,
>>and seems like an extremely nice and level headed guy.
>>But the character sucked like a warp powered vacuum
>>cleaner.
>
>
> Could you expound on that? Thanks.
Which bit?
I hated Wesley because he was meant to be some
sort of uber-genius, but to make him look that
way the writers frequently just had everybody
else become a complete moron so that Wesley
looked smart in comparison. Like in Naked Now,
where the ship's chief Engineer suddenly can't
even rewire a tractor beam (something that
could be done in seconds in TOS), so Wesley
looks smart for working out how to do it.
And then he destroys a whole Starship and
everybody just congratulates him on solving the
problem that HE created in the first place!
Plus he was utterly realistic in other ways; he
seems to have decided to join Starfleet about
ten seconds after he emerged from the womb.
We barely ever saw him even *talk* to anybody
his own age, let alone actually have friends.
And Captain Picard was his absolute hero, even
though Picard ordered Wesley's father to his
death. Beverley may be able to adjust to that
because she's a grown up and a Starfleet officer,
she knows the score. But what teenaged kid would
not only not hate the man who basically killed
his father, but actually idolises him?
Compare that to Jake Sisko on DS9 - now that
was a *real* kid.
However, none of the above is in any way Wil's
fault. I wouldn't say Wil is the best actor in
the world, but he does a fine job as Wesley;
better than fine given how young he was at the
time. And if you visit his website, he comes
across as a nice guy who is *very* sensible
about the whole "everybody hates Wesley" thing.
(Incidentally, has anybody looked at the groups
this is cross posted to? pro wrestling, star wars,
stargate... I'm cropping them.)
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59021 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 19:04 |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:jnjqe.131508$g12.82447 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Snake wrote:
> > Could you expound on that? Thanks.
>
> Which bit?
>
> I hated Wesley because he was meant to be some
> sort of uber-genius, but to make him look that
> way the writers frequently just had everybody
> else become a complete moron so that Wesley
> looked smart in comparison. Like in Naked Now,
> where the ship's chief Engineer suddenly can't
> even rewire a tractor beam (something that
> could be done in seconds in TOS), so Wesley
> looks smart for working out how to do it.
> And then he destroys a whole Starship and
> everybody just congratulates him on solving the
> problem that HE created in the first place!
>
> Plus he was utterly realistic in other ways; he
> seems to have decided to join Starfleet about
> ten seconds after he emerged from the womb.
> We barely ever saw him even *talk* to anybody
> his own age, let alone actually have friends.
(snip)
Thank you for sharing your views; I now understand them. I must say I do
connect with them except for the tractor beam issue in "The Naked Now", and
here are my thoughts as to why:
(A) the technology - the tractor beam - or implementation of that technology
could be very different from TOS to TNG. For example, the output of the
tractor beam could have been increased exponentially and therefore the
different power delivery systems disallowed easy polarity reversal. Wesley,
IIRC, had to take systems offline to reverse the system and TOS never seemed
to have required those procedures.
(B) Starfleet personnel may have never been trained to reverse the tractor
beam system. Unbelievable, you say? "Relics" proved that, thanks to
regulations, Georgi did not know you could reroute Palmas flow through the
secondary tank. Just because Scotty could do something does not mean others
can automatically - both time and people are different. Regulations may
have been put into place, due to changes in the tractor beam subsystem
design, that state reversal or polarity is not to be made - so, simply, the
techs don't know.
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59022 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 19:14 |
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Kweeg wrote:
> "Captain Pike" <RedumblicansShouldBe [at] gaschambers.com> wrote in message
> news:42a8e796$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
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> Neelix
Hm, I liked him better than a lot of other characters on that show.
Maybe because I watched a lot of "Benson" as a kid. B'nana and most of
the rest, though, whoo....
> Wesley
Not as bad as the internet folks say (It would be hard for anyone to be
here) and tolerable at times. Besides when he was around, Dr. Bev was
usually around, too. (Wesley's mom.. has got it goin' on....)
> Deanna
Was cool when they actually let her do stuff (Chain of Command, Face of
the Enemy)
> Dr Crusher
Not the most horrible actress, and she was gorgeous.
> Kes
Eh.
> Riker
I marked for him. "Frame of Mind" was my favorite Riker ep. Or the one
where that alien kid tried to get him to be his parent.
> Tucker
Not a complaint, but I always felt Malcolm (On Enterprise) was very
underused.
> --
>
> Qa'pla
> Kweeg
> http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59023 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 19:17 |
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"Snake" <fluidNOstatesSPAM_REMOVECAPSTOREPLY [at] mindspring.com> wrote in
message news:cKjqe.437$eC1.170 [at] trndny04...
> (B) Starfleet personnel may have never been trained to reverse the tractor
> beam system. Unbelievable, you say? "Relics" proved that, thanks to
> regulations, Georgi did not know you could reroute Palmas flow
Bah! Plasma flow. Damn spellcheckers.
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59025 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 19:30 |
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Snake wrote:
> Thank you for sharing your views; I now understand them. I must say I do
> connect with them except for the tractor beam issue in "The Naked Now", and
> here are my thoughts as to why:
>
> (A) the technology - the tractor beam - or implementation of that technology
> could be very different from TOS to TNG. For example, the output of the
> tractor beam could have been increased exponentially and therefore the
> different power delivery systems disallowed easy polarity reversal. Wesley,
> IIRC, had to take systems offline to reverse the system and TOS never seemed
> to have required those procedures.
Which would be a really, really stupid thing for the
people who design the things to do. "Hey, let's make
tractor beams ten times as powerful but half as useful!"
If there was a need for such a power increase, and if
it did preclude polarity reversal, then the logical
thing to do would be to build ships with two tractor
beams - one for pulling, one for pushing. It's not like
they are too big to fit or anything, the E-D had at
least three or four of them already.
> (B) Starfleet personnel may have never been trained to reverse the tractor
> beam system. Unbelievable, you say?
Yes, that's exactly what I say.
> "Relics" proved that, thanks to
> regulations, Georgi did not know you could reroute Palmas flow through the
> secondary tank. Just because Scotty could do something does not mean others
> can automatically - both time and people are different. Regulations may
> have been put into place, due to changes in the tractor beam subsystem
> design, that state reversal or polarity is not to be made - so, simply, the
> techs don't know.
Which might be believable if the reversal had been
some clever Scotty thing in TOS. But it isn't; it's
more like "set tractor beams to repel." "Yes sir."
- just like that.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59026 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 19:31 |
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Snake wrote:
> "Snake" <fluidNOstatesSPAM_REMOVECAPSTOREPLY [at] mindspring.com> wrote in
> message news:cKjqe.437$eC1.170 [at] trndny04...
>
>>(B) Starfleet personnel may have never been trained to reverse the tractor
>>beam system. Unbelievable, you say? "Relics" proved that, thanks to
>>regulations, Georgi did not know you could reroute Palmas flow
>
>
> Bah! Plasma flow. Damn spellcheckers.
I figured. But I don't correct people's spelling, for
reasons connected to a saying concerning the
advisability of throwing stones whilst within a
greenhouse.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59027 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 19:54 |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:L6kqe.131739$g12.114136 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Snake wrote:
> Which would be a really, really stupid thing for the
> people who design the things to do. "Hey, let's make
> tractor beams ten times as powerful but half as useful!"
In TMP they increased the phaser output by routing it through the engines.
"When the engines went into antimatter imbalance, the phasers were
automatically cut off".
So in refit Enterprise if the engines go into imbalance - which could happen
after combat damage, say - you have no phasers.
And this makes "sense"?
The technological changes to the tractor emmiter - the Galaxy has one of the
largest tractor emmiters in the fleet - may have required a high-supply
coupling to the EPS system, negating the (easy) possibility of polarity
reversal. What is so impossible to think about? It is a /tractor/, not a
"pusher" beam. Could NX-01 push things away using their grapplers?
Sometimes technology has limitations. I feel you are using your views to
negate the possibility of this occurence.
> If there was a need for such a power increase, and if
> it did preclude polarity reversal, then the logical
> thing to do would be to build ships with two tractor
> beams - one for pulling, one for pushing. It's not like
> they are too big to fit or anything, the E-D had at
> least three or four of them already.
Why is "push" necessary? The ship has engines. Just exactly *how* many
times would you need to push something away from a starship when you should
get the hell out of the way?
It makes no sense.
If you need to move the ship away from something - what a pusher emmiter is
essentially doing - engage the engines and move the ship. Putting a emmiter
to do something fundamentally the engine's operational duty is illogical.
Not only that, the mass (inertia) of the Galaxy might be so high that they
may have figured the tractor emmiters incapable of doing the job against any
substantial object and simply written off the polarity reversal.
It was an emergency with no engines, and they had to do something to the
tractor system unplanned during the tractor system's design. You've never
used technology that did what it was designed for, but not the opposite (yet
seemed reasonable)? Why don't more motorcycles have reverse gear while they
have up to 6 forward ones (backing up a big bike is a pain)? Why, in the
70's, did some cameras have the ability to automatically wind film but not
/rewind/ film? Why do many cars have the ability to power roll down their
windows at a single touch but not power up with a touch?
Technology only does what the people who create it think it should.
> > "Relics" proved that, thanks to
> > regulations, Georgi did not know you could reroute Palmas flow through
the
> > secondary tank. Just because Scotty could do something does not mean
others
> > can automatically - both time and people are different. Regulations may
> > have been put into place, due to changes in the tractor beam subsystem
> > design, that state reversal or polarity is not to be made - so, simply,
the
> > techs don't know.
>
> Which might be believable if the reversal had been
> some clever Scotty thing in TOS. But it isn't; it's
> more like "set tractor beams to repel." "Yes sir."
> - just like that.
Exactly. But that does not guarantee the tractor design of a Galaxy is as
easy as the tractor design of a Constitution. To expect otherwise is a
fallacy. Scotty couldn't believe the design of the dilithium crystal
matrix - and you expect the tractor beams to be the same??
:) Just bouncing theories and hoping to free your mind a bit :P
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59028 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 20:02 |
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Lio Convoy wrote:
> "Captain Pike" <RedumblicansShouldBe [at] gaschambers.com> wrote in
> news:42a8e796$1_2 [at] x-privat.org:
>
>> I vote for Worf's son Alexander. Any episode that featured him was a
>> guaranteed sleeping pill; especially the early episodes when he was a
>> child.
>>
>> Other notable shit characters:
>> Wesley Crusher- Also had boring episodes when he was the focus of the
>> show, only slightly less boring than Alexander.
>> Quark's brother- Can't remember his name thankfully. Only remember he
>> was boring.
>> The entire cast of Voyager.
Neelix!!
>>
>>
>
> T'pol
> Janeway
> Kes
> Sybock
> The betazoid in TINMAN
Deanna?
There was no other Betazoid there.
There was however a human telepath.
He later became mayor of Sunnydale.
> B-4
> Picard's Clone
> Tom Paris
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59031 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 20:17 |
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Snake wrote:
> "Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
> news:L6kqe.131739$g12.114136 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
>>Snake wrote:
>>Which would be a really, really stupid thing for the
>>people who design the things to do. "Hey, let's make
>>tractor beams ten times as powerful but half as useful!"
>
>
> In TMP they increased the phaser output by routing it through the engines.
> "When the engines went into antimatter imbalance, the phasers were
> automatically cut off".
>
> So in refit Enterprise if the engines go into imbalance - which could happen
> after combat damage, say - you have no phasers.
>
> And this makes "sense"?
Yes, given that (a) a ship without warp drive is already
a sitting duck as seen in Elaan of Troyius, so having the
phasers is a bit pointless without the drive, and (b) there
is a backup to the phasers - photon torpedoes. TMP itself
demonstrates that on losing one you just switch to the
other.
> The technological changes to the tractor emmiter - the Galaxy has one of the
> largest tractor emmiters in the fleet -
Er, says who?
> may have required a high-supply
> coupling to the EPS system, negating the (easy) possibility of polarity
> reversal. What is so impossible to think about? It is a /tractor/, not a
> "pusher" beam.
It is *both*, or should be. And as I say, if you have a good
reason to lose the ability, then you put two emitters in - one
for attract, one for repel.
> Could NX-01 push things away using their grapplers?
> Sometimes technology has limitations. I feel you are using your views to
> negate the possibility of this occurence.
Funny, I feel you are using rampant speculation to excuse
the scene.
>>If there was a need for such a power increase, and if
>>it did preclude polarity reversal, then the logical
>>thing to do would be to build ships with two tractor
>>beams - one for pulling, one for pushing. It's not like
>>they are too big to fit or anything, the E-D had at
>>least three or four of them already.
>
>
> Why is "push" necessary? The ship has engines. Just exactly *how* many
> times would you need to push something away from a starship when you should
> get the hell out of the way?
>
> It makes no sense.
And yet it was necessary in this case, and was necessary
in TOS as well.
> If you need to move the ship away from something - what a pusher emmiter is
> essentially doing - engage the engines and move the ship. Putting a emmiter
> to do something fundamentally the engine's operational duty is illogical.
> Not only that, the mass (inertia) of the Galaxy might be so high that they
> may have figured the tractor emmiters incapable of doing the job against any
> substantial object and simply written off the polarity reversal.
>
> It was an emergency with no engines, and they had to do something to the
> tractor system unplanned during the tractor system's design. You've never
> used technology that did what it was designed for, but not the opposite (yet
> seemed reasonable)? Why don't more motorcycles have reverse gear while they
> have up to 6 forward ones (backing up a big bike is a pain)? Why, in the
> 70's, did some cameras have the ability to automatically wind film but not
> /rewind/ film? Why do many cars have the ability to power roll down their
> windows at a single touch but not power up with a touch?
>
> Technology only does what the people who create it think it should.
And creating something that is *less* capable than its
predecessor is bad design (and bad story logic).
>>Which might be believable if the reversal had been
>>some clever Scotty thing in TOS. But it isn't; it's
>>more like "set tractor beams to repel." "Yes sir."
>>- just like that.
>
>
> Exactly. But that does not guarantee the tractor design of a Galaxy is as
> easy as the tractor design of a Constitution. To expect otherwise is a
> fallacy. Scotty couldn't believe the design of the dilithium crystal
> matrix - and you expect the tractor beams to be the same??
No, I expect them to be MORE capable.
> :) Just bouncing theories and hoping to free your mind a bit :P
Free as the air...
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59032 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 20:25 |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:JOkqe.131959$g12.95736 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> And creating something that is *less* capable than its
> predecessor is bad design (and bad story logic).
This is true. But yet we constantly, right now - today - deal with items
less capable than their predecessors. Windows XP CHKDSK utility no longer
gives detail readouts of the hard drive's health during the check - it
deletes the complex log file upon reboot and only enters in a simple error
code into the System Log instead.
How many other examples are out there of features on old products that have
been removed on the new? If you give me some time I'll think of dozens of
new products that removed functions of old.
The world isn't a perfect place :D
> No, I expect them to be MORE capable.
As shown in RL, nothing is guaranteed. An expectation may or may not be
met. We all live with this oxymoron every day in the modern world (:sigh:).
It's frustrating, but I guess that's life.
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59033 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 20:41 |
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Snake wrote:
> "Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
> news:JOkqe.131959$g12.95736 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
>>And creating something that is *less* capable than its
>>predecessor is bad design (and bad story logic).
>
>
> This is true. But yet we constantly, right now - today - deal with items
> less capable than their predecessors. Windows XP CHKDSK utility no longer
> gives detail readouts of the hard drive's health during the check - it
> deletes the complex log file upon reboot and only enters in a simple error
> code into the System Log instead.
>
> How many other examples are out there of features on old products that have
> been removed on the new? If you give me some time I'll think of dozens of
> new products that removed functions of old.
>
> The world isn't a perfect place :D
>
>
>>No, I expect them to be MORE capable.
>
>
> As shown in RL, nothing is guaranteed. An expectation may or may not be
> met. We all live with this oxymoron every day in the modern world (:sigh:).
> It's frustrating, but I guess that's life.
You may live with that, but I don't. I can't think of one
single occasion when I have replaced something with
something else unless that something else was better
than the original.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59034 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 20:46 |
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Captain Pike wrote:
I would vote for any Ferengi.
> I vote for Worf's son Alexander. Any episode that featured him was a
> guaranteed sleeping pill; especially the early episodes when he was a child.
I thougt the character was wasted. It could have been so much more.
> Other notable shit characters:
> Wesley Crusher- Also had boring episodes when he was the focus of the show,
> only slightly less boring than Alexander.
You do realize that Roddenberry created Wesley Crusher after himself?
GR mentioned that at a con before he died.
> Quark's brother- Can't remember his name thankfully. Only remember he was
> boring.
See my above opinion of the Ferengi.
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59037 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 21:32 |
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"Numan" <tbrdmann [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:tnhqe.3194$%j7.634 [at] newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:Hafqe.1634055$Xk.114405 [at] pd7tw3no...
> > "Captain Pike" <RedumblicansShouldBe [at] gaschambers.com> wrote in message
> > news:42a8e796$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
> >
> >
> > Neelix
> > Wesley
> > Deanna
> > Dr Crusher
> > Kes
> > Riker
> > Tucker
> > --
> >
> > Qa'pla
> > Kweeg
>
> Then I guess you didn't like "These are the voyages" :-)
{{;-/>
That would be true.
--
Qa'pla
Kweeg
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59038 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 21:41 |
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Evreyone knows neelix was the most pointless crew member ever! He
should have his own spin off series Star Trek: Neelix (pointless
whatever the frontier). This could save the Star Trek franchise after
the crap that was enterprise!
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59039 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 21:50 |
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"David E. Powell" <David_Powell3006 [at] msn.com> wrote in message
news:1118423641.097129.78060 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Kweeg wrote:
> > "Captain Pike" <RedumblicansShouldBe [at] gaschambers.com> wrote in message
> > news:42a8e796$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
> >
> >
> > Neelix
>
> Hm, I liked him better than a lot of other characters on that show.
> Maybe because I watched a lot of "Benson" as a kid. B'nana and most of
> the rest, though, whoo....
The Nelix as the investigative reporter episode just killed me. Eventually
they got the charactor right, Dr. Phlox.
> > Wesley
>
> Not as bad as the internet folks say (It would be hard for anyone to be
> here) and tolerable at times. Besides when he was around, Dr. Bev was
> usually around, too. (Wesley's mom.. has got it goin' on....)
Oh good, the whiny doctor. Yet another reason to hate him.
> > Deanna
>
> Was cool when they actually let her do stuff (Chain of Command, Face of
> the Enemy)
What a counsellor or a doctor is doing as the "officer of the watch" on the
bridge is beyond me. We never saw Picard or Riker counselling people or
operating on them. But that's another example of the PC gone crazy on TNG.
Bones McCoy was never in the centre seat, he left that to the professionals.
> > Dr Crusher
>
> Not the most horrible actress, and she was gorgeous.
>
> > Kes
>
> Eh.
>
> > Riker
>
> I marked for him. "Frame of Mind" was my favorite Riker ep. Or the one
> where that alien kid tried to get him to be his parent.
>
> > Tucker
>
> Not a complaint, but I always felt Malcolm (On Enterprise) was very
> underused.
Me too.
--
Qa'pla
Kweeg
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59040 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 21:51 |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:X9lqe.132039$g12.67833 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> You may live with that, but I don't. I can't think of one
> single occasion when I have replaced something with
> something else unless that something else was better
> than the original.
Then you live in a singularly lucky world. I just asked 2 other fellows I
work with "Have you ever bought something to replace something else, and
found it worse or missing features?"
Both replied "Yes".
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59041 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 21:58 |
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Snake wrote:
> "Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
> news:X9lqe.132039$g12.67833 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
>>You may live with that, but I don't. I can't think of one
>>single occasion when I have replaced something with
>>something else unless that something else was better
>>than the original.
>
>
> Then you live in a singularly lucky world. I just asked 2 other fellows I
> work with "Have you ever bought something to replace something else, and
> found it worse or missing features?"
>
> Both replied "Yes".
Not lucky - *careful*.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59043 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 22:13 |
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In article <Hafqe.1634055$Xk.114405 [at] pd7tw3no>, Kweeg
(kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca) dropped a +5 bundle of words...
> "Captain Pike" <RedumblicansShouldBe [at] gaschambers.com> wrote in message
> news:42a8e796$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
>
>
> Neelix
> Wesley
> Deanna
> Dr Crusher
> Kes
> Riker
He's a drinking game, so he can't be all bad.
> Tucker
>
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59044 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 22:15 |
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"Captain Pike" <RedumblicansShouldBe [at] gaschambers.com> wrote in message
news:42a8e796$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
>
> The entire cast of Voyager.
Word, talk about the poison pill... this gang of shitcanners nearly have
near ruined the franchise...
Venger
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59050 ] |
Sa, 11 Juni 2005 00:01 |
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"Starshine Moonbeam" <silverbells [at] tacoshells.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d13b06e4f753894989d91 [at] news.alt.net...
> In article <Hafqe.1634055$Xk.114405 [at] pd7tw3no>, Kweeg
> (kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca) dropped a +5 bundle of words...
>
> > "Captain Pike" <RedumblicansShouldBe [at] gaschambers.com> wrote in message
> > news:42a8e796$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
> >
> >
> > Neelix
> > Wesley
> > Deanna
> > Dr Crusher
> > Kes
> > Riker
>
> He's a drinking game, so he can't be all bad.
>
Ya, drink whenever Riker swears - two drinks; three if it's 'hell'; whole
beer if he asks 'what the hell is going on,' and my favourite, drink
whenever Riker walks forward as if he's trying to knock an imaginary door
down with his forehead.
--
Qa'pla
Kweeg
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59051 ] |
Sa, 11 Juni 2005 00:02 |
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"Venger" <venger [at] augustmail.com> wrote in message
news:Bxmqe.2369$I14.621 [at] newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "Captain Pike" <RedumblicansShouldBe [at] gaschambers.com> wrote in message
> news:42a8e796$1_2 [at] x-privat.org...
> >
> > The entire cast of Voyager.
>
> Word, talk about the poison pill... this gang of shitcanners nearly have
> near ruined the franchise...
They did.
--
Qa'pla
Kweeg
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
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| Re: (Poll) Worst Star Trek Characters [message #59052 ] |
Sa, 11 Juni 2005 00:11 |
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> > The entire cast of Voyager.
>
> Word, talk about the poison pill... this gang of shitcanners nearly have
> near ruined the franchise...
>
7 of 9 was the best thing on the show, until they had her start dating
Chocolatay.
Neelix
Wesley
Tasha Yar
Pulaski
Worf turned into a pussy
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