| Almost Missed It - Soul of Star Trek - Alternative Futures [message #57441] |
Do, 09 Juni 2005 00:24 |
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This is good reading.!
http://soulofstartrek.blogspot.com/2005_05_29_soulofstartrek _archive.html
Numan
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| Re: Almost Missed It - Soul of Star Trek - Alternative Futures [message #57446 ] |
Do, 09 Juni 2005 02:09 |
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"Numan" <tbrdmann [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:meKpe.1928$I14.1739 [at] newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
> This is good reading.!
>
> http://soulofstartrek.blogspot.com/2005_05_29_soulofstartrek _archive.html
Good read indeed.
"Maybe it's a generational thing as well. GR's strong views on conflict and
peace were tested in real war; he had actually flown aircraft, and been a
cop on the street. Other producers and writers for the original series had
real world backgrounds. Members of the original cast had experienced real
prejudice (although members of subsequent casts likely did as well), and
several were political activists who put their beliefs into practice. The
producers and writers of the later series seem to have been in television
their whole careers."
This is the reason, IMO, that gave TOS it's realism in the way the
characters interacted with each other. Writers and producers had real life
experiences, now a days they go to school and come out in their profession
with the piece of paper to "prove" it. Can one imagine a ex military pilot
and police officer trying to pitch a series now? He would be laughed out of
the boardroom by the "professional" writers and producers, as he had no
credentials and obviously didn't know how to get along in the entertainment
industry because he was out experiencing life instead of going to school for
4 or 5 years.
--
Qa'pla
Kweeg
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
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| Re: Almost Missed It - Soul of Star Trek - Alternative Futures [message #57453 ] |
Do, 09 Juni 2005 03:39 |
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in article BMLpe.1606514$6l.320004 [at] pd7tw2no, Kweeg at kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca
wrote on 6/8/05 7:09 PM:
> "Numan" <tbrdmann [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:meKpe.1928$I14.1739 [at] newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
>> This is good reading.!
>>
>> http://soulofstartrek.blogspot.com/2005_05_29_soulofstartrek _archive.html
> Good read indeed.
> "Maybe it's a generational thing as well. GR's strong views on conflict and
> peace were tested in real war; he had actually flown aircraft, and been a
> cop on the street. Other producers and writers for the original series had
> real world backgrounds. Members of the original cast had experienced real
> prejudice (although members of subsequent casts likely did as well), and
> several were political activists who put their beliefs into practice. The
> producers and writers of the later series seem to have been in television
> their whole careers."
>
> This is the reason, IMO, that gave TOS it's realism in the way the
> characters interacted with each other. Writers and producers had real life
> experiences, now a days they go to school and come out in their profession
> with the piece of paper to "prove" it. Can one imagine a ex military pilot
> and police officer trying to pitch a series now? He would be laughed out of
> the boardroom by the "professional" writers and producers, as he had no
> credentials and obviously didn't know how to get along in the entertainment
> industry because he was out experiencing life instead of going to school for
> 4 or 5 years.
The only problem with this tripe is that it supposes that Roddenberry was in
fact a writer. He was a HORRID writer. I'd also say that almost all of
Roddenberry's stories about himself smack of self-aggrandizement at best and
wildly lying at worst.
When he DID write he did so horribly that Paramount wisely took him out of
the process, witness the horrible TMP and first two abysmal seasons of TNG.
What's really wrong with Trek is Paramount is cheap and just let B&B lazily
run it into the ground. Trying to keep the franchise going nonstop was
mistake because it introduced tired, hackneyed writing into the franchise
just trying to keep up with the weekly, 22-26 episode a season cycle.
"Franchise-fatigue" indeed!
--
"I've often said that the difference between British and American SF TV
series is that the British ones have three-dimensional characters and
cardboard spaceships, while the Americans do it the other way around."
-- Ross Smith
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| Re: Almost Missed It - Soul of Star Trek - Alternative Futures [message #58203 ] |
Do, 09 Juni 2005 16:53 |
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"Elvis Gump" <elvisgump.NO [at] SPAM.fastmail.us> wrote in message
news:BECD07EE.73C19%elvisgump.NO [at] SPAM.fastmail.us...
> in article BMLpe.1606514$6l.320004 [at] pd7tw2no, Kweeg at kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca
> wrote on 6/8/05 7:09 PM:
>
>> "Numan" <tbrdmann [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:meKpe.1928$I14.1739 [at] newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
>>> This is good reading.!
>>>
>>> http://soulofstartrek.blogspot.com/2005_05_29_soulofstartrek _archive.html
>
>> Good read indeed.
>> "Maybe it's a generational thing as well. GR's strong views on conflict
>> and
>> peace were tested in real war; he had actually flown aircraft, and been a
>> cop on the street. Other producers and writers for the original series
>> had
>> real world backgrounds. Members of the original cast had experienced real
>> prejudice (although members of subsequent casts likely did as well), and
>> several were political activists who put their beliefs into practice. The
>> producers and writers of the later series seem to have been in television
>> their whole careers."
>>
>> This is the reason, IMO, that gave TOS it's realism in the way the
>> characters interacted with each other. Writers and producers had real
>> life
>> experiences, now a days they go to school and come out in their
>> profession
>> with the piece of paper to "prove" it. Can one imagine a ex military
>> pilot
>> and police officer trying to pitch a series now? He would be laughed out
>> of
>> the boardroom by the "professional" writers and producers, as he had no
>> credentials and obviously didn't know how to get along in the
>> entertainment
>> industry because he was out experiencing life instead of going to school
>> for
>> 4 or 5 years.
>
> The only problem with this tripe is that it supposes that Roddenberry was
> in
> fact a writer. He was a HORRID writer. I'd also say that almost all of
> Roddenberry's stories about himself smack of self-aggrandizement at best
> and
> wildly lying at worst.
>
> When he DID write he did so horribly that Paramount wisely took him out of
> the process, witness the horrible TMP and first two abysmal seasons of
> TNG.
>
> What's really wrong with Trek is Paramount is cheap and just let B&B
> lazily
> run it into the ground. Trying to keep the franchise going nonstop was
> mistake because it introduced tired, hackneyed writing into the franchise
> just trying to keep up with the weekly, 22-26 episode a season cycle.
>
> "Franchise-fatigue" indeed!
> --
> "I've often said that the difference between British and American SF TV
> series is that the British ones have three-dimensional characters and
> cardboard spaceships, while the Americans do it the other way around."
> -- Ross Smith
I like the idea of either Frakes or Burton taking over. I am SURE they would
do it justice.
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| Re: Almost Missed It - Soul of Star Trek - Alternative Futures [message #58211 ] |
Do, 09 Juni 2005 18:01 |
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Numan wrote:
> "Elvis Gump" <elvisgump.NO [at] SPAM.fastmail.us> wrote in message
> news:BECD07EE.73C19%elvisgump.NO [at] SPAM.fastmail.us...
>
>>in article BMLpe.1606514$6l.320004 [at] pd7tw2no, Kweeg at kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca
>>wrote on 6/8/05 7:09 PM:
>>
>>
>>>"Numan" <tbrdmann [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>news:meKpe.1928$I14.1739 [at] newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
>>>
>>>>This is good reading.!
>>>>
>>>> http://soulofstartrek.blogspot.com/2005_05_29_soulofstartrek _archive.html
>>
>>>Good read indeed.
>>>"Maybe it's a generational thing as well. GR's strong views on conflict
>>>and
>>>peace were tested in real war; he had actually flown aircraft, and been a
>>>cop on the street. Other producers and writers for the original series
>>>had
>>>real world backgrounds. Members of the original cast had experienced real
>>>prejudice (although members of subsequent casts likely did as well), and
>>>several were political activists who put their beliefs into practice. The
>>>producers and writers of the later series seem to have been in television
>>>their whole careers."
>>>
>>>This is the reason, IMO, that gave TOS it's realism in the way the
>>>characters interacted with each other. Writers and producers had real
>>>life
>>>experiences, now a days they go to school and come out in their
>>>profession
>>>with the piece of paper to "prove" it. Can one imagine a ex military
>>>pilot
>>>and police officer trying to pitch a series now? He would be laughed out
>>>of
>>>the boardroom by the "professional" writers and producers, as he had no
>>>credentials and obviously didn't know how to get along in the
>>>entertainment
>>>industry because he was out experiencing life instead of going to school
>>>for
>>>4 or 5 years.
>>
>>The only problem with this tripe is that it supposes that Roddenberry was
>>in
>>fact a writer. He was a HORRID writer. I'd also say that almost all of
>>Roddenberry's stories about himself smack of self-aggrandizement at best
>>and
>>wildly lying at worst.
>>
>>When he DID write he did so horribly that Paramount wisely took him out of
>>the process, witness the horrible TMP and first two abysmal seasons of
>>TNG.
>>
>>What's really wrong with Trek is Paramount is cheap and just let B&B
>>lazily
>>run it into the ground. Trying to keep the franchise going nonstop was
>>mistake because it introduced tired, hackneyed writing into the franchise
>>just trying to keep up with the weekly, 22-26 episode a season cycle.
>>
>>"Franchise-fatigue" indeed!
>>--
>>"I've often said that the difference between British and American SF TV
>>series is that the British ones have three-dimensional characters and
>>cardboard spaceships, while the Americans do it the other way around."
>>-- Ross Smith
>
>
> I like the idea of either Frakes or Burton taking over. I am SURE they would
> do it justice.
I personally don't have any problem with handing it to Manny Coto,
although Frakes or Burton would be ok as well.
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