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Fantasy » alt.fan.dragons » And again with the research
And again with the research [message #3833] Fr, 25 März 2005 19:42
Lady Xelerej  
Ok. I've picked some quotes from my other post, and yet again have
some questions.

Arcaton posted that tannin, catnip, senokot, figs, and liquorice should
be tested for, but after looking through multiple herbal/medical
resources, I can't find anything that would warrant that. I know the
most popular use for some of those is as a laxative, but I don't make
the connection for why this could negatively alter job performance. Or
rather, alter it any more than any other medication for a health
problem would.

I think I meant my question to ask "what constitutes an *abused* drug
that should be tested for?" Something not taken in response to a
credible doctor's suggestion or order.

And another tidbit I'll also spark elsewhere. What do you think of the
decision that anyone working at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid
Services is required to be a non-smoker? Lose the habit or lose the
job. Article here:
http://www.fedsmith.com/articles/articles.showarticle.db.php ?intArticleID=302
Should be "Smokers need not apply".

And again, if anyone knows a more appropriate place for this, please
tell me! Thanks.

Lady Xelerej Amarthrandil
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Re: And again with the research [message #3866 ] Sa, 26 März 2005 08:48
Lord Flame Stryke  
On 25 Mar 2005, Lady Xelerej was found to have scratched
news:1111776176.946632.94720 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com on a rock in
alt.fan.dragons:

> Ok. I've picked some quotes from my other post, and yet again have
> some questions.
> Arcaton posted that tannin, catnip, senokot, figs, and liquorice
> should be tested for, but after looking through multiple
> herbal/medical resources, I can't find anything that would warrant
> that. I know the most popular use for some of those is as a laxative,
> but I don't make the connection for why this could negatively alter
> job performance. Or rather, alter it any more than any other
> medication for a health problem would.
> I think I meant my question to ask "what constitutes an *abused* drug
> that should be tested for?" Something not taken in response to a
> credible doctor's suggestion or order.

Seroquel is a prescription medication. Should I be denied work because
I take it? The answer is no, so long as I take it at an appropriate
time. If I took it just before going to work, it would make me
increadibly drowsy, and therefore would affect my work performance
negatively. If I take it at night when I get home from work, however,
it doesn't negatively affect my work performance.

Smoking also causes a detrimental effect to work performance, as it
"calms" people by sedating them, thus they're not as alert as they need
to be.

Pot and such also negatively affect the mind, and as such should be
banned.

And you'll notice that it's only the smokers that seem to be resisting
the loudest about not being able to smoke. But non-smokers are
complaining about other aspects. How much time do I get for breaks as a
non-smoker? 15 minutes for a morning break, a half-hour lunch, and 15
minutes for an afternoon break, for a total of 1 hour in an 8 hour
shift. How much time does a smoker get for breaks? They get the same
hour as me, plus 5-minute smoke breaks every half hour for a total of 2
hours and 20 minutes break time. If I take 2 hours of break time, I get
dinged for an hour, but the smokers get paid for that extra hour of
break time? How is that fair?

> And another tidbit I'll also spark elsewhere. What do you think of
> the decision that anyone working at the Centers for Medicare and
> Medicaid Services is required to be a non-smoker? Lose the habit or
> lose the job. Article here:
> http://www.fedsmith.com/articles/articles.showarticle.db.php ?
intArticle
> ID=302
> Should be "Smokers need not apply".

See above. If you're smoking, you're not working. If you're working in
the medicair and medicaid industries, you're dealing with people on a
regular basis who may be deathly allergic to cigarette smoke or tobacco.
If I am so, should I either risk my life by getting the drugs I need or
by not getting the drugs I need? the answer is neither.

And, yes, I am very opinionated about this. I drive for a living, so I
need to be on top of everything in my job. So do those others who
drive. If they're smoking, they're concentrating on their cigartette
instead of the road in front and to the sides.

Lord Flame Stryke

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Re: And again with the research [message #3890 ] Sa, 26 März 2005 21:39
Arcaton  
Lord Flame Stryke <FlameStryke [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96258725AB0EDragonFyre [at] 24.71.223.159...
[gone for a puff]
> And, yes, I am very opinionated about this. I drive for a living, so I
> need to be on top of everything in my job. So do those others who
> drive. If they're smoking, they're concentrating on their cigartette
> instead of the road in front and to the sides.

Famous last words: "it's OK I can light my own"

Arcaton
Bronchial to the max

>
> Lord Flame Stryke
>
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> Flame Stryke's Windex® Factory, Lord Balloonmaker, Borrower of the Ebony
> Wood Fife from Luxatos, Accepter of the Small Statue of a Green Dragon
> Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper, Employer of a miniature
> Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic Ever-Bill from SeaKing,
> Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o, Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep
>
> --
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> Rogers
Re: And again with the research [message #3893 ] Sa, 26 März 2005 21:57
Amethyst  
On 25-Mar-2005, "Lady Xelerej" <Xelerej [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

> I think I meant my question to ask "what constitutes an *abused* drug
> that should be tested for?" Something not taken in response to a
> credible doctor's suggestion or order.

Well vitamins don't fall into that category of being prescribed by a Doctor,
although they can but most often aren't.... so should vitamins be considered
an abused drug? Or would those just be ignored, even though you can
overdose on certain vitamins...

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Re: And again with the research [message #3906 ] So, 27 März 2005 16:43
Scott L  
Amethyst wrote:

>
> On 25-Mar-2005, "Lady Xelerej" <Xelerej [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think I meant my question to ask "what constitutes an abused drug
> > that should be tested for?" Something not taken in response to a
> > credible doctor's suggestion or order.
>
> Well vitamins don't fall into that category of being prescribed by a
> Doctor, although they can but most often aren't.... so should
> vitamins be considered an abused drug? Or would those just be
> ignored, even though you can overdose on certain vitamins...

I have seen where vitamins were prescribed by a doctor. It happened in
my room-mate's case. He kept feeling ill, lack of energy, sever
headaches, and so on. Missed a lot of work. After going to the doctor
and having numerous tests he was diagnosed as being malnourished. The
doctor prescribed a regimen of nutrients; a year later he's fit as a
fiddle!

Just a Monkey,

Scott,

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Re: And again with the research [message #3922 ] Mo, 28 März 2005 02:09
Arcaton  
Scott L <spamtrap644 [at] insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:XDz1e.108787$Ze3.10763 [at] attbi_s51...
> Amethyst wrote:
>
> >
> > On 25-Mar-2005, "Lady Xelerej" <Xelerej [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I think I meant my question to ask "what constitutes an abused drug
> > > that should be tested for?" Something not taken in response to a
> > > credible doctor's suggestion or order.
> >
> > Well vitamins don't fall into that category of being prescribed by a
> > Doctor, although they can but most often aren't.... so should
> > vitamins be considered an abused drug? Or would those just be
> > ignored, even though you can overdose on certain vitamins...
>
> I have seen where vitamins were prescribed by a doctor. It happened in
> my room-mate's case. He kept feeling ill, lack of energy, sever
> headaches, and so on. Missed a lot of work. After going to the doctor
> and having numerous tests he was diagnosed as being malnourished. The
> doctor prescribed a regimen of nutrients; a year later he's fit as a
> fiddle!

I take vits...
is that why I have a Viol temperament?

Arcaton
indulging in random violins and Sax wherever he goes...
>
> Just a Monkey,
>
> Scott,
>
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Re: And again with the research [message #3947 ] Mo, 28 März 2005 21:29
Lady Xelerej  
*WHUMP!*

Lady Xel, who should be going to her history class just now.
Re: And again with the research [message #3951 ] Di, 29 März 2005 00:38
Arcaton  
Lady Xelerej <Xelerej [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1112038156.721519.285770 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> *WHUMP!*
>
> Lady Xel, who should be going to her history class just now.
>
only one?
AA
Re: And again with the research [message #4000 ] Di, 29 März 2005 23:36
Lady Xelerej  
One was all I had time for. I could give you a few more if you'd like
though. *snirg*

Lady Xel
Re: And again with the research [message #4001 ] Di, 29 März 2005 23:43
Lady Xelerej  
I only had time for one then. But I could give you more now if you'd
like them. . .

Lady Xel, wondering if Arc takes one *WHUMP* or two.
Re: And again with the research [message #4002 ] Di, 29 März 2005 23:45
Lady Xelerej  
>Well vitamins don't fall into that category of being prescribed by a
Doctor,
>although they can but most often aren't.... so should vitamins be
considered
>an abused drug? Or would those just be ignored, even though you can
>overdose on certain vitamins...

But are vitamins a common thing to overdose on? I don't think you get
any sort of buzz or other desirable effect from ODing on those. Please
correct me if I'm wrong though; I might be able to add another
paragraph with it to annoy my teacher.

Lady Xel, paper at least 2 pgs over the minimum and counting. . .
Re: And again with the research [message #4021 ] Mi, 30 März 2005 12:42
Lord Flame Stryke  
On 29 Mar 2005, Lady Xelerej was found to have scratched
news:1112132579.983521.214460 [at] l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com on a rock in
alt.fan.dragons:

> I only had time for one then. But I could give you more now if you'd
> like them. . .
> Lady Xel, wondering if Arc takes one *WHUMP* or two.

Sorry, the rules of the Anvil state that you can only use it in direct
reply to the post in which it was earned.....



Lord Flame Stryke

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Re: And again with the research [message #4022 ] Mi, 30 März 2005 12:45
Lord Flame Stryke  
On 29 Mar 2005, Lady Xelerej was found to have scratched
news:1112132750.907272.275060 [at] l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com on a rock in
alt.fan.dragons:

>>Well vitamins don't fall into that category of being prescribed by a
> Doctor,
>>although they can but most often aren't.... so should vitamins be
> considered
>>an abused drug? Or would those just be ignored, even though you can
>>overdose on certain vitamins...
> But are vitamins a common thing to overdose on? I don't think you get
> any sort of buzz or other desirable effect from ODing on those.
> Please correct me if I'm wrong though; I might be able to add another
> paragraph with it to annoy my teacher.
> Lady Xel, paper at least 2 pgs over the minimum and counting. . .

You can, in fact, overdose on vitamins. Most do nothing, but there are
a few that can be harmful if not fatal..... See
http://chemo.net/newpage35.htm as an example (first site on Google
searching for "vitamin overdose").



Lord Flame Stryke

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Re: And again with the research [message #4046 ] Mi, 30 März 2005 22:41
Lady Xelerej  
>You can, in fact, overdose on vitamins. Most do nothing, but >there
are a few that can be harmful if not fatal.....

Yes, I know. But my point is, there isn't any desirable temporary
effect from doing so, as there is from, say, marijuana. No buzz, see?
If someone is overdosing on vits for the express purpose of getting the
harmful/fatal outcome, then their problem is not drug related, it's
more likely psychological, and not an issue for my narrowed paper. I
could probably do a reasonable job on psych problems in the workplace,
but that wasn't a topic option for me. Pity too, because I find those
of passing interest. Nothing I'd be willing to base a career on
though.

Lady Xel
Re: And again with the research [message #4067 ] Do, 31 März 2005 09:12
Lord Flame Stryke  
On 30 Mar 2005, Lady Xelerej was found to have scratched
news:1112215296.736490.300060 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com on a rock in
alt.fan.dragons:

>>You can, in fact, overdose on vitamins. Most do nothing, but >there
> are a few that can be harmful if not fatal.....
> Yes, I know. But my point is, there isn't any desirable temporary
> effect from doing so, as there is from, say, marijuana. No buzz, see?

I'm sure there can be benefits from taking a larger dose than
recommended over a short term, which can become toxic in the long term.



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Statue of a Green Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper,
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Re: And again with the research [message #4101 ] Fr, 01 April 2005 06:40
Lady Xelerej  
>> Yes, I know. But my point is, there isn't any desirable temporary
>> effect from doing so, as there is from, say, marijuana. No buzz,
>>see?
>I'm sure there can be benefits from taking a larger dose than
>recommended over a short term, which can become toxic in the long
>term.

Nope, found it in a book today. Vitamin A is the dangerous one and it
just puts you in a coma after destroying your liver and kidneys. Any
others are just gotten rid of as waste.

Lady Xel
Re: And again with the research [message #4107 ] Fr, 01 April 2005 09:01
Lord Flame Stryke  
On 31 Mar 2005, Lady Xelerej was found to have scratched
news:1112330421.846909.133560 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com on a rock in
alt.fan.dragons:

>>> Yes, I know. But my point is, there isn't any desirable temporary
>>> effect from doing so, as there is from, say, marijuana. No buzz,
>>>see?
>>I'm sure there can be benefits from taking a larger dose than
>>recommended over a short term, which can become toxic in the long
>>term.
> Nope, found it in a book today. Vitamin A is the dangerous one and it
> just puts you in a coma after destroying your liver and kidneys. Any
> others are just gotten rid of as waste.

"Vitamins such as A, E and D are fat-soluble which means that excess
quantities above the recommended daily amount can accumulate in the
body. In effect, you could be overdosing on these vitamins by taking
several supplements a day."
( http://www.ivillage.co.uk/dietandfitness/nutrition/vitamins/ qas/0,,250_
184600,00.html)

Thus it's not just Vitamin A that's "the dangerous one". And, no, I'm
not attacking you or your posts, just posting bits that I find that are
relative..... Perhaps I should just argue with your teacher for
you..... };=8Þ



Lord Flame Stryke

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Re: And again with the research [message #4134 ] So, 03 April 2005 00:28
Arcaton  
Lady Xelerej <Xelerej [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1112330421.846909.133560 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> Yes, I know. But my point is, there isn't any desirable temporary
> >> effect from doing so, as there is from, say, marijuana. No buzz,
> >>see?
> >I'm sure there can be benefits from taking a larger dose than
> >recommended over a short term, which can become toxic in the long
> >term.
>
> Nope, found it in a book today. Vitamin A is the dangerous one and it
> just puts you in a coma after destroying your liver and kidneys. Any
> others are just gotten rid of as waste.
>
> Lady Xel
>
A, eh?

AA
Re: And again with the research [message #4302 ] Sa, 09 April 2005 23:29
Amethyst  
On 27-Mar-2005, "Scott L" <spamtrap644 [at] insightbb.com> wrote:

> I have seen where vitamins were prescribed by a doctor. It happened in
> my room-mate's case. He kept feeling ill, lack of energy, sever
> headaches, and so on. Missed a lot of work. After going to the doctor
> and having numerous tests he was diagnosed as being malnourished. The
> doctor prescribed a regimen of nutrients; a year later he's fit as a
> fiddle!

But most generally, vitamins aren't prescribed by a dr... which would not
fall into the category previously specified... and yes, I do know that on
some instances vitamins can be prescribed, or strongly suggested, as in my
case, calcium, by a dr. But then, as was brought up in later posts...
there's really no benefits from popping excessive amounts of vitamins since
you don't get high from them...so probably shouldn't even be considered
something that needed to be tested for in a drug test... I wonder if
excessive protein in the urine would skew a drug test... nahhh... probably
not... probably not sugar either...

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Re: And again with the research [message #4309 ] So, 10 April 2005 06:18
Scott L  
Amethyst wrote:

>
> On 27-Mar-2005, "Scott L" <spamtrap644 [at] insightbb.com> wrote:
>
> > I have seen where vitamins were prescribed by a doctor. It
> > happened in my room-mate's case. He kept feeling ill, lack of
> > energy, sever headaches, and so on. Missed a lot of work. After
> > going to the doctor and having numerous tests he was diagnosed as
> > being malnourished. The doctor prescribed a regimen of nutrients;
> > a year later he's fit as a fiddle!
>
> But most generally, vitamins aren't prescribed by a dr... which would
> not fall into the category previously specified... and yes, I do know
> that on some instances vitamins can be prescribed, or strongly
> suggested, as in my case, calcium, by a dr. But then, as was brought
> up in later posts... there's really no benefits from popping
> excessive amounts of vitamins since you don't get high from them...so
> probably shouldn't even be considered something that needed to be
> tested for in a drug test... I wonder if excessive protein in the
> urine would skew a drug test... nahhh... probably not... probably not
> sugar either...

Actually, it would depend on the type of proteins the body is spilling.
Most drugs and such are proteins of a sort themselves, and certaiun
presences of bodily waste at certain quantities is considered
indicative of drug use.

Just a Monkey,

Scott,

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Re: And again with the research [message #4317 ] So, 10 April 2005 13:01
Lord Flame Stryke  
On 09 Apr 2005, Amethyst was found to have scratched
news:2PX5e.15725$yg7.12006 [at] attbi_s51 on a rock in alt.fan.dragons:

>> I have seen where vitamins were prescribed by a doctor. It happened
>> in my room-mate's case. He kept feeling ill, lack of energy, sever
>> headaches, and so on. Missed a lot of work. After going to the
>> doctor and having numerous tests he was diagnosed as being
>> malnourished. The doctor prescribed a regimen of nutrients; a year
>> later he's fit as a fiddle!
> But most generally, vitamins aren't prescribed by a dr... which would
> not fall into the category previously specified... and yes, I do know
> that on some instances vitamins can be prescribed, or strongly
> suggested, as in my case, calcium, by a dr. But then, as was brought
> up in later posts... there's really no benefits from popping excessive
> amounts of vitamins since you don't get high from them...so probably
> shouldn't even be considered something that needed to be tested for in
> a drug test... I wonder if excessive protein in the urine would skew
> a drug test... nahhh... probably not... probably not sugar either...

On the subject of controlled substances and drug tests and the like:
one of our drivers totalled a truck by jacknifing it into a ditch while
putting out a cigarette. Now tell me smoking doesn't affect your work
performance.....



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Re: And again with the research [message #4329 ] So, 10 April 2005 22:10
Amethyst  
On 9-Apr-2005, "Scott L" <spamtrap644 [at] insightbb.com> wrote:

> Actually, it would depend on the type of proteins the body is spilling.
> Most drugs and such are proteins of a sort themselves, and certaiun
> presences of bodily waste at certain quantities is considered
> indicative of drug use.

If that is the case, then why can't a kidney specialist tell what kind of
protein is being spilled into the urine... (nope, not drugs) because it's a
high amount.. and has been for years now... now if it was a female, then
protein in the urine is very bad if they are pregnant, because it is an
indication that amniotic fluids may be leaking from the placenta and the
baby may be in danger.... but since it is a male, I don't think that's the
case...and I'm not going to suggest what type of protein I think it
is...although the kidney specialist laughed and said I might be quite
right... and he would eventually grow out of it... unfortunately, because
of it, he can't get health insurance, only high risk insurance which costs
more than he makes in a month!! Ah well.. one of these days he'll get a
full time job that has health insurance...

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Re: And again with the research [message #4331 ] So, 10 April 2005 22:34
Arcaton  
Lord Flame Stryke <FlameStryke [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 09 Apr 2005, Amethyst was found to have scratched
> news:2PX5e.15725$yg7.12006 [at] attbi_s51 on a rock in alt.fan.dragons:
>
> >> I have seen where vitamins were prescribed by a doctor. It happened
> >> in my room-mate's case. He kept feeling ill, lack of energy, sever
> >> headaches, and so on. Missed a lot of work. After going to the
> >> doctor and having numerous tests he was diagnosed as being
> >> malnourished. The doctor prescribed a regimen of nutrients; a year
> >> later he's fit as a fiddle!
> > But most generally, vitamins aren't prescribed by a dr... which would
> > not fall into the category previously specified... and yes, I do know
> > that on some instances vitamins can be prescribed, or strongly
> > suggested, as in my case, calcium, by a dr. But then, as was brought
> > up in later posts... there's really no benefits from popping excessive
> > amounts of vitamins since you don't get high from them...so probably
> > shouldn't even be considered something that needed to be tested for in
> > a drug test... I wonder if excessive protein in the urine would skew
> > a drug test... nahhh... probably not... probably not sugar either...
>
> On the subject of controlled substances and drug tests and the like:
> one of our drivers totalled a truck by jacknifing it into a ditch while
> putting out a cigarette. Now tell me smoking doesn't affect your work
> performance.....

Next time don't go for a truck wheel just step on the thing.

Arcaton
*hears the tale wagging the dogend*

>
>
>
> Lord Flame Stryke
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> Viriatha, Owner of Flame Stryke's Windex® Factory, Lord Balloonmaker,
> Borrower of the Ebony Wood Fife from Luxatos, Accepter of the Small
> Statue of a Green Dragon Covered in Ice Cream Toppings from Juniper,
> Employer of a miniature Jester doll from SeaKing, Bearer of the Magic
> Ever-Bill from SeaKing, Carrier of the gold piece from whisper: o,
> Builder of Dragon Fyre Keep
>
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> "How many seconds are there in a year? If I tell you there are 3.155 x
> 10^7, you won't even try to remember it. On the other hand, who could
> forget that, to within half a percent, pi seconds is a nanocentury." --
> Tom Duff, Bell Labs
Re: And again with the research [message #4358 ] Mo, 11 April 2005 03:48
Scott L  
Amethyst wrote:

>
> On 9-Apr-2005, "Scott L" <spamtrap644 [at] insightbb.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually, it would depend on the type of proteins the body is
> > spilling. Most drugs and such are proteins of a sort themselves,
> > and certaiun presences of bodily waste at certain quantities is
> > considered indicative of drug use.
>
> If that is the case, then why can't a kidney specialist tell what
> kind of protein is being spilled into the urine... (nope, not drugs)
> because it's a high amount.. and has been for years now... now if it
> was a female, then protein in the urine is very bad if they are
> pregnant, because it is an indication that amniotic fluids may be
> leaking from the placenta and the baby may be in danger.... but since
> it is a male, I don't think that's the case...and I'm not going to
> suggest what type of protein I think it is...although the kidney
> specialist laughed and said I might be quite right... and he would
> eventually grow out of it... unfortunately, because of it, he can't
> get health insurance, only high risk insurance which costs more than
> he makes in a month!! Ah well.. one of these days he'll get a full
> time job that has health insurance...

Because there are too many proteins in general. Any test would have to
be specific. For instance, in my case, I have a chronic kidney
condition that causes my kidneys to filter too much protein out of my
blood - it almost killed me. As a result a given test would produce
protein signatures all over the board. However, drug tests look for
certain quantities of specific signatures, leaving the rest uncounted.

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Re: And again with the research [message #4420 ] Di, 12 April 2005 21:14
Amethyst  
On 10-Apr-2005, "Scott L" <spamtrap644 [at] insightbb.com> wrote:

> Because there are too many proteins in general. Any test would have to
> be specific. For instance, in my case, I have a chronic kidney
> condition that causes my kidneys to filter too much protein out of my
> blood - it almost killed me. As a result a given test would produce
> protein signatures all over the board. However, drug tests look for
> certain quantities of specific signatures, leaving the rest uncounted.

Yes, but protein in any form in the urine is not a good thing....although
the kidney specialist told us that 99% of the time, it isn't a life
threatening issue... although it seems in your case you're in the 1%... but
then you may have also had other indications or side effects that aren't
present in my son.... so sorry to hear about your condition, I do hope
there is something you can take to help with it... I myself can't take
Ibuprofen due to a lodged kidney stone that left quite a bit of scar tissue
in my kidney (it was there for a good 20 years before it finally decided to
cause some problems, like getting lodged in the uretha, course the next 2
after that pretty much did the same thing... before finding out that my body
because it wasn't producing estrogen, was pulling calcium out of my body and
flushing it into my kidneys and making stones... so now besides the
estrogen, I drink decaffinated beverages, and take cranberry tablets...
knock on wood, it has helped, haven't had another stone in about 8 years or
so.. and they were getting expensive, let me tell you... )

As for the drug tests, I know there are plenty of medicines that will cause
an abnormal reading... but then we aren't talking about the prescribed
ones... laugh... we're talking about the illegal ones... of which I have no
experience with... other than in controlled settings, like a hospital, and
morphine has the unpleasant side effect of making the tip of your nose itch
like crazy!!

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