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Re: An old tradition with a twist! [message #3693] Mi, 23 März 2005 01:54
Zarris  
>>*feels like prey*
>>>
>>> but of course im not wrestling...
>>>
>>> but wouldnt that be canibalism? thought vore was some strange
"ritual"
>>> of eating ones mate...


>There is a popular club among vorephiles in Furcadia, it's called "The
Vore
>Club". While searching for dragon artwork, I found out this site:
>http://www.vortex.orcas.net/ Before this find, I never heard of such a
thing
>like vorephiles. I'm still amazed how I can find new, unuspected and
weird
>ideas while searching for common ones.

............................................................ ...............
more info than i wanted.. and i dint go past the menu page...
especially when i saw "movies" listed...

nother reason why im not exactly fond of furries....

>SHARPSHARK

--
Zarris
Re: An old tradition with a twist! [message #3695 ] Mi, 23 März 2005 02:52
Marrock  
Zarris wrote:
> ............................................................ ...............
> more info than i wanted.. and i dint go past the menu page...
> especially when i saw "movies" listed...
>
> nother reason why im not exactly fond of furries....
>
>

So you'd judge an entire group by the actions of a very few?

That's sad to hear...

--
Good journeys,
Marrock Volsung

Bearer of one Ponder Point

"Fly with me," said the dragon, "live in the depths of the waters and
soar through the sky.
We are not toys for mortals, but spirits that ride the winds and blow
the clouds along." --Lu Kuei Meng

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Re: An old tradition with a twist! [message #3699 ] Mi, 23 März 2005 04:46
Draco18s  
In article <1111539244.371240.249620 [at] l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
WaterfallFinder [at] aol.com says...
> >>*feels like prey*
> >>>
> >>> but of course im not wrestling...
> >>>
> >>> but wouldnt that be canibalism? thought vore was some strange
> "ritual"
> >>> of eating ones mate...
>
>
> >There is a popular club among vorephiles in Furcadia, it's called "The
> Vore
> >Club". While searching for dragon artwork, I found out this site:
> >http://www.vortex.orcas.net/ Before this find, I never heard of such a
> thing
> >like vorephiles. I'm still amazed how I can find new, unuspected and
> weird
> >ideas while searching for common ones.
>
> ............................................................ ..............
> more info than i wanted.. and i dint go past the menu page...
> especially when i saw "movies" listed...

Eugh. The artwork and the RP forums /dedicated/ to it is enough.

> nother reason why im not exactly fond of furries....
All voraphiles are furverts (may be be exactly true, so sue me).
All furverts are furries.
Are then all furries voraphiles?

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Re: An old tradition with a twist! [message #3720 ] Mi, 23 März 2005 16:59
Zarris  
>>
............................................................ ................
>> more info than i wanted.. and i dint go past the menu page...
>> especially when i saw "movies" listed...
>>
>> nother reason why im not exactly fond of furries....
>>
>>

>So you'd judge an entire group by the actions of a very few?

i hasve yet to see the others that you say dont do stuff like that...
if that is the case then all ive sen are those very few... and that
very few is alot...

>That's sad to hear...

>--
>Good journeys,
>Marrock Volsung

--
Zarris
Re: An old tradition with a twist! [message #3721 ] Mi, 23 März 2005 17:00
Zarris  
>> nother reason why im not exactly fond of furries....

>All voraphiles are furverts (may be be exactly true, so sue me).
>All furverts are furries.
>Are then all furries voraphiles?

no, just another thing to add to the list of odd kinky crap they do...

>--

>Draco18s

--
Zarris
Re: An old tradition with a twist! [message #3723 ] Mi, 23 März 2005 17:04
Lord Nargus StreamWar  
In the wind of Alfandria, a signal detected by a megical receiver. The
signal is said to be from Draco18s
<draco18s2_DOES_NOT_ [at] _LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com> with following message:

>In article <1111539244.371240.249620 [at] l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>WaterfallFinder [at] aol.com says...
>> >>*feels like prey*
>> >>>
>> >>> but of course im not wrestling...
>> >>>
>> >>> but wouldnt that be canibalism? thought vore was some strange
>> "ritual"
>> >>> of eating ones mate...
>>
>>
>> >There is a popular club among vorephiles in Furcadia, it's called "The
>> Vore
>> >Club". While searching for dragon artwork, I found out this site:
>> >http://www.vortex.orcas.net/ Before this find, I never heard of such a
>> thing
>> >like vorephiles. I'm still amazed how I can find new, unuspected and
>> weird
>> >ideas while searching for common ones.
>>
>> ............................................................ ..............
>> more info than i wanted.. and i dint go past the menu page...
>> especially when i saw "movies" listed...
>
>Eugh. The artwork and the RP forums /dedicated/ to it is enough.
>
>> nother reason why im not exactly fond of furries....
>All voraphiles are furverts (may be be exactly true, so sue me).
>All furverts are furries.
>Are then all furries voraphiles?

I could say not much of them are voraphiles, at least from what I see.
But I couldn't really deny about the y**ffy things. There seem to be
lots of it, partly or whole. And I have been watching furry network
for quite a long time as well.

I'm not part of it though, so I could completely misunderstood.

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Re: An old tradition with a twist! [message #3739 ] Mi, 23 März 2005 20:30
Marrock  
Zarris wrote:
> ............................................................ ................
>
>>>more info than i wanted.. and i dint go past the menu page...
>>>especially when i saw "movies" listed...
>>>
>>>nother reason why im not exactly fond of furries....
>>>
>>>
>
>
>>So you'd judge an entire group by the actions of a very few?
>
>
> i hasve yet to see the others that you say dont do stuff like that...
> if that is the case then all ive sen are those very few... and that
> very few is alot...
>
And you gathered all this from a brief visit to one website... quite the
Sherlockian leap of logic there.

Maybe if you actually tried to meet a few you'd get a better perspective
on the whole thing, instead of painting the entire group with the same
ugly brush.

--
Good journeys,
Marrock Volsung

Bearer of one Ponder Point

"Fly with me," said the dragon, "live in the depths of the waters and
soar through the sky.
We are not toys for mortals, but spirits that ride the winds and blow
the clouds along." --Lu Kuei Meng

DC2.Dw Gm L42f W T25,000l Phvwalt Sks,wl
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Re: An old tradition with a twist! [message #3744 ] Do, 24 März 2005 02:37
Zarris  
>>>>more info than i wanted.. and i dint go past the menu page...
>>>>especially when i saw "movies" listed...

>>>>nother reason why im not exactly fond of furries....

>>>So you'd judge an entire group by the actions of a very few?

>> i hasve yet to see the others that you say dont do stuff like
that...
>> if that is the case then all ive sen are those very few... and that
>> very few is alot...

>And you gathered all this from a brief visit to one website... quite
the
>Sherlockian leap of logic there.

and how did you conclude that that is the only furry site ive seen?
even my comment suggested otherwise...

>Maybe if you actually tried to meet a few you'd get a better
perspective
>on the whole thing, instead of painting the entire group with the same
>ugly brush.

still would not change that they discust and annoy me...
and i do know one, though he doesnt partake in the oddityness though
used to do vore... and even then it has begun to annoy me...

--
Zarris
Re: An old tradition with a twist! [message #3746 ] Do, 24 März 2005 02:48
Marrock  
Zarris wrote:
>>>>>more info than i wanted.. and i dint go past the menu page...
>>>>>especially when i saw "movies" listed...
>
>
>>>>>nother reason why im not exactly fond of furries....
>
>
>>>>So you'd judge an entire group by the actions of a very few?
>
>
>>>i hasve yet to see the others that you say dont do stuff like
>
> that...
>
>>>if that is the case then all ive sen are those very few... and that
>>>very few is alot...
>
>
>>And you gathered all this from a brief visit to one website... quite
>
> the
>
>>Sherlockian leap of logic there.
>
>
> and how did you conclude that that is the only furry site ive seen?
> even my comment suggested otherwise...
>
>
>>Maybe if you actually tried to meet a few you'd get a better
>
> perspective
>
>>on the whole thing, instead of painting the entire group with the same
>>ugly brush.
>
>
> still would not change that they discust and annoy me...
> and i do know one, though he doesnt partake in the oddityness though
> used to do vore... and even then it has begun to annoy me...
>
Ah, I begin to make sense of it now, it's the old "I'm right and
everyone else is wrong" scenario...

I thought one could come here to get away from the usual intolerance and
ignorance that infects some humans, I now see I was mistaken, though I
do find it interesting how much you sound like those that proclaim all
dragons are evil no matter what evidence one has to the contrary.

I have to ask, are you also "disgusted and annoyed" by those that don't
think like you, by homosexuals, by those whose skin is different from
yours, or is this just a singular instance of ignorance on your part?

And as an aside, I'd be careful of blasting those with fur... since
there are quite a few fur-covered dragons wandering about the edge of
the map.

--
Good journeys,
Marrock Volsung

Bearer of one Ponder Point

"Fly with me," said the dragon, "live in the depths of the waters and
soar through the sky.
We are not toys for mortals, but spirits that ride the winds and blow
the clouds along." --Lu Kuei Meng

DC2.Dw Gm L42f W T25,000l Phvwalt Sks,wl
Cbk\gr-^,fgr--,ebk%,vgr--^>bk^,sgr-^,bgr--^&1bk^,wbk [at] gr-,cag^ Bac A++ Nm
O H $+ R+++! Ac+++ J S+++! U I++ V-- Q+++! Tc+ E---!#
Re: An old tradition with a twist! [message #3755 ] Do, 24 März 2005 05:22
Draco18s  
In article <em4341dqfo69c94k9rqss7qfntk2hvcvbo [at] 4ax.com>, nargus_411
[at] hotmail.com says...
> In the wind of Alfandria, a signal detected by a megical receiver. The
> signal is said to be from Draco18s
> <draco18s2_DOES_NOT_ [at] _LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com> with following message:
>
> >In article <1111539244.371240.249620 [at] l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> >WaterfallFinder [at] aol.com says...
> >> >>*feels like prey*
> >> >>>
> >> >>> but of course im not wrestling...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> but wouldnt that be canibalism? thought vore was some strange
> >> "ritual"
> >> >>> of eating ones mate...
> >>
> >>
> >> >There is a popular club among vorephiles in Furcadia, it's called "The
> >> Vore
> >> >Club". While searching for dragon artwork, I found out this site:
> >> >http://www.vortex.orcas.net/ Before this find, I never heard of such a
> >> thing
> >> >like vorephiles. I'm still amazed how I can find new, unuspected and
> >> weird
> >> >ideas while searching for common ones.
> >>
> >> ............................................................ ..............
> >> more info than i wanted.. and i dint go past the menu page...
> >> especially when i saw "movies" listed...
> >
> >Eugh. The artwork and the RP forums /dedicated/ to it is enough.
> >
> >> nother reason why im not exactly fond of furries....
> >All voraphiles are furverts (may be be exactly true, so sue me).
> >All furverts are furries.
> >Are then all furries voraphiles?

I'm not sure I understand completely, Nargus.

> I could say not much of them are voraphiles, at least from what I see.

....Possibly that "not all furries are voraphile from what you've seen"?
Either way, my statement was logic based. The first two lines are given
(fact) the third is proposed based on the first two, but can not be true,
because it takes only on of a larger category to exist outside the smaller
category and the last statement becomes false, while the first two remain
true.

> But I couldn't really deny about the y**ffy things. There seem to be
> lots of it, partly or whole. And I have been watching furry network
> for quite a long time as well.
>
> I'm not part of it though, so I could completely misunderstood.

Yiff exists like porn does. Everyone politely ignores it and denounces it
publicly, and everyone denies looking at it (whether or not they are telling
the truth is a different matter). It's a byproduct of intelligent life.

On a slightly related note, if it was just made legal it wouldn't be so much
of a problem. *Points at Japan.*

--
Draco18s
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"Yum!" |> v-v-v-v |>
| , , .|. | n | .|.
'. |_/| | |'''''''''''| | \
(q p),-| | HERSHEY'S | |'-._ ))
/_(/ | | CHO|"|LIT | | ) '-.___//
---W"W----'-'----'-'----'-'----------'--------------
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Re: An old tradition with a twist! [message #3774 ] Do, 24 März 2005 15:14
Zarris  
>>>>>>more info than i wanted.. and i dint go past the menu page...
>>>>>>especially when i saw "movies" listed...

>>>>>>nother reason why im not exactly fond of furries....

>>>>>So you'd judge an entire group by the actions of a very few?

>>>>i hasve yet to see the others that you say dont do stuff like

>> that...

>>>>if that is the case then all ive sen are those very few... and that
>>>>very few is alot...

>>>And you gathered all this from a brief visit to one website... quite

>> the

>>>Sherlockian leap of logic there.

>> and how did you conclude that that is the only furry site ive seen?
>> even my comment suggested otherwise...

>>>Maybe if you actually tried to meet a few you'd get a better

>> perspective

>>>on the whole thing, instead of painting the entire group with the
same
>>>ugly brush.

>> still would not change that they discust and annoy me...
>> and i do know one, though he doesnt partake in the oddityness though
>> used to do vore... and even then it has begun to annoy me...

>Ah, I begin to make sense of it now, it's the old "I'm right and
>everyone else is wrong" scenario...

no you dont... just that what furrys do discusts and annoys me. has
nothing to do about "i am right and they are wrong"... just that what
they do annoys and discusts me, so therefore furrys annoy and discusts
me...

>I thought one could come here to get away from the usual intolerance
and
>ignorance that infects some humans, I now see I was mistaken, though I
>do find it interesting how much you sound like those that proclaim all
>dragons are evil no matter what evidence one has to the contrary.

do not jump to conclusions...

>I have to ask, are you also "disgusted and annoyed" by those that
don't
>think like you, by homosexuals, by those whose skin is different from
>yours, or is this just a singular instance of ignorance on your part?

some, it depends on what they are doing and what they are like...

>And as an aside, I'd be careful of blasting those with fur... since
>there are quite a few fur-covered dragons wandering about the edge of
>the map.

i think were talking bout two different definitions of the furry...
some of the furries i talk about dont even have fur... and some that i
dont consider furry do have fur... for mine, it doesnt depend on wheter
they have fur or not, just what they do...

--
Zarris
Re: An old tradition with a twist! [message #3842 ] Fr, 25 März 2005 21:33
Arcaton  
Draco18s <draco18s2_DOES_NOT_ [at] _LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1caab096c7b5089e98970b [at] news.x-privat.org...
> In article <1111539244.371240.249620 [at] l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> WaterfallFinder [at] aol.com says...
> > >>*feels like prey*
> > >>>
> > >>> but of course im not wrestling...
> > >>>
> > >>> but wouldnt that be canibalism? thought vore was some strange
> > "ritual"
> > >>> of eating ones mate...
> >
> >
> > >There is a popular club among vorephiles in Furcadia, it's called "The
> > Vore
> > >Club". While searching for dragon artwork, I found out this site:
> > >http://www.vortex.orcas.net/ Before this find, I never heard of such a
> > thing
> > >like vorephiles. I'm still amazed how I can find new, unuspected and
> > weird
> > >ideas while searching for common ones.
> >
> >
............................................................ ...............
> > more info than i wanted.. and i dint go past the menu page...
> > especially when i saw "movies" listed...
>
> Eugh. The artwork and the RP forums /dedicated/ to it is enough.
>
> > nother reason why im not exactly fond of furries....
> All voraphiles are furverts (may be be exactly true, so sue me).
> All furverts are furries.
> Are then all furries voraphiles?

Check out Gynophagy and the Dolcett archives off the necrobabes.org page

That's vore, but not furry vore. They remove what hair there is with a
blowlamp.

I'm not putting a link in because frankly you want it you can go look for
it.

Ech.

Arcaton

>
> --
> Draco18s
> DC2.Dw Gm L- W- T Phvwalt Sks Cag^ Bco|# A- Fr Nu M--- O H+ $ Fo R+++ Ac+
J+
> S+ I-# V++ Q++ Tc+++[C++]/Tc--- E+
>
> "Yum!" |> v-v-v-v |>
> | , , .|. | n | .|.
> '. |_/| | |'''''''''''| | \
> (q p),-| | HERSHEY'S | |'-._ ))
> /_(/ | | CHO|"|LIT | | ) '-.___//
> ---W"W----'-'----'-'----'-'----------'--------------
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Re: An old tradition with a twist! [message #3843 ] Fr, 25 März 2005 21:36
Arcaton  
Zarris <WaterfallFinder [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1111673670.295599.221000 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>more info than i wanted.. and i dint go past the menu page...
> >>>>>>especially when i saw "movies" listed...
>
> >>>>>>nother reason why im not exactly fond of furries....
>
> >>>>>So you'd judge an entire group by the actions of a very few?
>
> >>>>i hasve yet to see the others that you say dont do stuff like
>
> >> that...
>
> >>>>if that is the case then all ive sen are those very few... and that
> >>>>very few is alot...
>
> >>>And you gathered all this from a brief visit to one website... quite
>
> >> the
>
> >>>Sherlockian leap of logic there.
>
> >> and how did you conclude that that is the only furry site ive seen?
> >> even my comment suggested otherwise...
>
> >>>Maybe if you actually tried to meet a few you'd get a better
>
> >> perspective
>
> >>>on the whole thing, instead of painting the entire group with the
> same
> >>>ugly brush.
>
> >> still would not change that they discust and annoy me...
> >> and i do know one, though he doesnt partake in the oddityness though
> >> used to do vore... and even then it has begun to annoy me...
>
> >Ah, I begin to make sense of it now, it's the old "I'm right and
> >everyone else is wrong" scenario...
>
> no you dont... just that what furrys do discusts and annoys me. has
> nothing to do about "i am right and they are wrong"... just that what
> they do annoys and discusts me, so therefore furrys annoy and discusts
> me...
>
> >I thought one could come here to get away from the usual intolerance
> and
> >ignorance that infects some humans, I now see I was mistaken, though I
> >do find it interesting how much you sound like those that proclaim all
> >dragons are evil no matter what evidence one has to the contrary.
>
> do not jump to conclusions...
>
> >I have to ask, are you also "disgusted and annoyed" by those that
> don't
> >think like you, by homosexuals, by those whose skin is different from
> >yours, or is this just a singular instance of ignorance on your part?
>
> some, it depends on what they are doing and what they are like...
>
> >And as an aside, I'd be careful of blasting those with fur... since
> >there are quite a few fur-covered dragons wandering about the edge of
> >the map.
>
> i think were talking bout two different definitions of the furry...
> some of the furries i talk about dont even have fur... and some that i
> dont consider furry do have fur... for mine, it doesnt depend on wheter
> they have fur or not, just what they do...

In that case is "furries" neccessarily a good description?

Arcaton
not furry BTW
>
> --
> Zarris
>
Re: An old tradition with a twist! [message #3853 ] Sa, 26 März 2005 00:52
Zarris  
Arcaton wrote:
> Zarris <WaterfallFinder [at] aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1111673670.295599.221000 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > >>>>>>more info than i wanted.. and i dint go past the menu page...
> > >>>>>>especially when i saw "movies" listed...
> >
> > >>>>>>nother reason why im not exactly fond of furries....
> >
> > >>>>>So you'd judge an entire group by the actions of a very few?
> >
> > >>>>i hasve yet to see the others that you say dont do stuff like
> >
> > >> that...
> >
> > >>>>if that is the case then all ive sen are those very few... and
that
> > >>>>very few is alot...
> >
> > >>>And you gathered all this from a brief visit to one website...
quite
> >
> > >> the
> >
> > >>>Sherlockian leap of logic there.
> >
> > >> and how did you conclude that that is the only furry site ive
seen?
> > >> even my comment suggested otherwise...
> >
> > >>>Maybe if you actually tried to meet a few you'd get a better
> >
> > >> perspective
> >
> > >>>on the whole thing, instead of painting the entire group with
the
> > same
> > >>>ugly brush.
> >
> > >> still would not change that they discust and annoy me...
> > >> and i do know one, though he doesnt partake in the oddityness
though
> > >> used to do vore... and even then it has begun to annoy me...
> >
> > >Ah, I begin to make sense of it now, it's the old "I'm right and
> > >everyone else is wrong" scenario...
> >
> > no you dont... just that what furrys do discusts and annoys me. has
> > nothing to do about "i am right and they are wrong"... just that
what
> > they do annoys and discusts me, so therefore furrys annoy and
discusts
> > me...
> >
> > >I thought one could come here to get away from the usual
intolerance
> > and
> > >ignorance that infects some humans, I now see I was mistaken,
though I
> > >do find it interesting how much you sound like those that proclaim
all
> > >dragons are evil no matter what evidence one has to the contrary.
> >
> > do not jump to conclusions...
> >
> > >I have to ask, are you also "disgusted and annoyed" by those that
> > don't
> > >think like you, by homosexuals, by those whose skin is different
from
> > >yours, or is this just a singular instance of ignorance on your
part?
> >
> > some, it depends on what they are doing and what they are like...
> >
> > >And as an aside, I'd be careful of blasting those with fur...
since
> > >there are quite a few fur-covered dragons wandering about the edge
of
> > >the map.
> >
> > i think were talking bout two different definitions of the
furry...
> > some of the furries i talk about dont even have fur... and some
that i
> > dont consider furry do have fur... for mine, it doesnt depend on
wheter
> > they have fur or not, just what they do...
>
> In that case is "furries" neccessarily a good description?

well, yes and no...
yes in that thats what they call themselves and is therefore easier to
associate to their actions...
and the no is obvios at this point./..

>
> Arcaton
> not furry BTW
> >
> > --
> > Zarris
> >

--
Zarris
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