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Science Fiction » alt.fan.douglas-adams » First official scene from the movie - Follow this link:
First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #348] Mi, 13 April 2005 09:44
Chris Casino  
It's the new scene on Vogsphere with the flyswatters and it's hilarious, go
check it out here:

http://movies.channel.aol.com/franchise/firstlook.adp

It's available in QuickTime and AOL format both with Dial-Up and Broadband.
Enjoy. It's funny as hell.

--
"To a new world of Gods and monsters!"
Ernest Thesiger, the Bride of Frankenstein
Universal Pictures, 1935

"If there's anything more important than my ego around here, I want it
caught and shot now!"
Zaphod Beeblebrox, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!"
Mandy Patinkin, The Princess Bride
MGM Pictures, 1987

"When I was born and the doctor slapped me, I knocked him out and took a cab
home!"
"Rowdy" Roddy Piper

"Have you ever talked to a corpse? It's BORING!"
Jack Goodman
An American Werewolf in London
Universal Pictures 1981
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #366 ] Mi, 13 April 2005 19:17
Kaare Fiedler Christi  
Chris Casino wrote:
> It's the new scene on Vogsphere with the flyswatters and it's hilarious, go
> check it out here:
>
> http://movies.channel.aol.com/franchise/firstlook.adp
>
> It's available in QuickTime and AOL format both with Dial-Up and Broadband.
> Enjoy. It's funny as hell.

Ups:
- I like the Marvin costume. It works quite well, I think.
- Mos Def is definately not playing a smart-ass black dude
- ... uhm ... I'm out of ups!

Downs:
- This is absolutely not Hitchhiker's humour as I perceive it. I have to
go along with Simo on this one and say that this is slapstick without
any real humour in it. If it had had some clever spoken passages it
might have been funny, but it doesn't.
- That hat Zaphod is wearing is stupid - Zaphod may have been deemed the
worst sentient dresser, but he always tried to look cool! Is that hat
cool? No way!
- Marvin's voice worked quite well on the website, but the single
comment here sound exactly like dthe worst reviews I have seen said.
It's not depressed. It's purely abusive.
- Arthur being asked for a plan to rescue Trillian and actually having
one? That's not exactly how I perceive the relationship between
Arthur, Ford and Zaphod.
- There wasn't one single funny line in all this, the way I see it.

I had actually lived up a little after Sean D Sollé's posting. Now it
seems I am going to agree with Simo. Oh dear me, oh dear me! I do hope
it goes uphill from here!

Best
Kåre
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #378 ] Do, 14 April 2005 02:43
alt.fan.douglas-adams  
Kaare wrote:

> Marvin's voice worked quite well on the website, but the single
> comment here sound exactly like dthe worst reviews I have seen said.
> It's not depressed. It's purely abusive.

"It amazes me how you can manage to live in anything that small."

"Ah," said Arthur, "abuse."

"Yes," confirmed Marvin.

> - There wasn't one single funny line in all this, the way I see it.

Oh well, never mind.

Sean.

--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day." -- DNA
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #380 ] Do, 14 April 2005 08:35
Gaz  
Chris Casino wrote:
> It's the new scene on Vogsphere with the flyswatters and it's hilarious, go
> check it out here:
>
> http://movies.channel.aol.com/franchise/firstlook.adp
>
> It's available in QuickTime and AOL format both with Dial-Up and Broadband.
> Enjoy. It's funny as hell.
>

Thanks for this - I really enjoyed it.

Arthur seems to actually be contributing to the story, rather than
spending most of the time in the background watching the story happen,
which I think is a positive change.

The character of Ford seems to have been nicely nailed.

Zaphod's line - "Zarquon! What was that?" is just absolutely perfect.

Marvin comes across as having just the right amount of depression and
contempt for others.

And there's nothing wrong with a bit of slapstick humour - it worked for
me in Shaun of The Dead anyway, and it works for me in this scene.

All in all, to me it has the look and feel of hitchhikers, which is what
I'm looking for in this film much more than a religious reproduction of
every detail. Looking forward to seeing more.

--
Gaz
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #384 ] Do, 14 April 2005 17:37
Chris Casino  
"Gaz" <Gaz [at] BY.co.uk> wrote in message
news:zao7e.11686$G8.11610 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Thanks for this - I really enjoyed it.
>
> Arthur seems to actually be contributing to the story, rather than
> spending most of the time in the background watching the story happen,
> which I think is a positive change.

Some people will get mad at me for this, but if Arthur Dent were ever going
to be a movie hero, he had to be someone who contributed to the story. He
had to actually eventually adapt to life in space, which he did even in the
last three or so books. Because fans like us would enjoy him just being how
he always is, but regular movie goers simply would not stand for it because
they wouldn't understand why the hell they're watching him.

> The character of Ford seems to have been nicely nailed.

Kaare said there was no HHGG-esque lines in that scene, but I direct you to
Ford's line, "I checked the Guide for the best way to rescue a prisoner from
Vogsphere - it said don't." Ford seems, from the trailers, to be more
affectionate, but most of the time he's pretty stone faced and at that
point, Mos has a pretty nice stone faced look to him.

> Zaphod's line - "Zarquon! What was that?" is just absolutely perfect.

I was always so taken with Sam Rockwell that after he was announced, I'd
thrown out anybody else I'd wanted to play the part.

> Marvin comes across as having just the right amount of depression and
> contempt for others.

I think so too. I always thought Alan Rickman had a terrific voice to play a
robot and to some people he sounded too abusive, but to me he nailed it.

> And there's nothing wrong with a bit of slapstick humour - it worked for
> me in Shaun of The Dead anyway, and it works for me in this scene.
>
> All in all, to me it has the look and feel of hitchhikers, which is what
> I'm looking for in this film much more than a religious reproduction of
> every detail. Looking forward to seeing more.
>
> --
> Gaz

You know, some folks at the old TDV said this scene was written by Douglas
five years ago on the plane back to London and he bounced into their office
so he could print out pages and read it to him - I figure if the master
himself scripted it and they left it in, what harm's been done?
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #385 ] Do, 14 April 2005 17:59
Gaz  
Chris Casino wrote:

>
> Kaare said there was no HHGG-esque lines in that scene, but I direct you to
> Ford's line, "I checked the Guide for the best way to rescue a prisoner from
> Vogsphere - it said don't." Ford seems, from the trailers, to be more
> affectionate, but most of the time he's pretty stone faced and at that
> point, Mos has a pretty nice stone faced look to him.
>
>

I'd also point out that Ford uses his towel as a weapon to trap the
face-slapping thing - which to me is as good as any HHGG-esque line!

--
Gaz
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #388 ] Do, 14 April 2005 18:19
Kaare Fiedler Christi  
Sean D. Sollé wrote:
> Kaare wrote:
>
>
>>Marvin's voice worked quite well on the website, but the single
>>comment here sound exactly like dthe worst reviews I have seen said.
>>It's not depressed. It's purely abusive.
>
>
> "It amazes me how you can manage to live in anything that small."
>
> "Ah," said Arthur, "abuse."
>
> "Yes," confirmed Marvin.

I know Marvin had lines like that. The point is not the lines. It's the
voice. I'm not discussing the lines. The voice of Marvin should be
depressed. It didn't sound depressed to me. But it was a minor point.

>>- There wasn't one single funny line in all this, the way I see it.
>
> Oh well, never mind.

Please point me to a funny line in the bit. There is lot's of slapstick
effect, but all the dialogue seemed to miss the humour that always made
me love Douglas Adams' work.

For instance, Ford's line "Nobody think..." etc. just begs for making
some remark worthy of Douglas Adams, but it never comes.

I just looked at the clip again, and realised, that if you removed
Zaphod's stupid hat he looks okay. Especially when he rasies his arm to
speak, that's truly Zaphod (except for the missing head, of course).
That was at least one more plus-thing.

Admittedly, Marvin's voice was a little better than I remembered it. I
guess I will have to let go of Stephen Moore :-)

Best
Kåre
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #389 ] Do, 14 April 2005 18:22
Kaare Fiedler Christi  
Chris Casino wrote:

<snip>

> You know, some folks at the old TDV said this scene was written by Douglas
> five years ago on the plane back to London and he bounced into their office
> so he could print out pages and read it to him - I figure if the master
> himself scripted it and they left it in, what harm's been done?

At this point I have to agree with Simo, that anything made by DNA
himself is not great by default. Also, who knows what lines accompanied
the original scene? Anything may have changed.

Best
Kåre
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #390 ] Do, 14 April 2005 18:23
Kaare Fiedler Christi  
Gaz wrote:
> Chris Casino wrote:
>
>>
>> Kaare said there was no HHGG-esque lines in that scene, but I direct
>> you to Ford's line, "I checked the Guide for the best way to rescue a
>> prisoner from Vogsphere - it said don't." Ford seems, from the
>> trailers, to be more affectionate, but most of the time he's pretty
>> stone faced and at that point, Mos has a pretty nice stone faced look
>> to him.

Okay, that is an okay variation on the old "What to do if yuou want ot
get a lift from a Vogon"-entry, although it didn't seem very well
delivered, I have to admit it's there.

> I'd also point out that Ford uses his towel as a weapon to trap the
> face-slapping thing - which to me is as good as any HHGG-esque line!

Now, there I have to agree. I can't believe I forgot to mention that on
my "good"-list.

Best
Kåre
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #393 ] Do, 14 April 2005 20:24
Kieran John  
Kaare Fiedler Christiansen wrote:
> Gaz wrote:
>
>> Chris Casino wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Kaare said there was no HHGG-esque lines in that scene, but I direct
>>> you to Ford's line, "I checked the Guide for the best way to rescue a
>>> prisoner from Vogsphere - it said don't." Ford seems, from the
>>> trailers, to be more affectionate, but most of the time he's pretty
>>> stone faced and at that point, Mos has a pretty nice stone faced look
>>> to him.
>
>
> Okay, that is an okay variation on the old "What to do if yuou want ot
> get a lift from a Vogon"-entry, although it didn't seem very well
> delivered, I have to admit it's there.
>
>> I'd also point out that Ford uses his towel as a weapon to trap the
>> face-slapping thing - which to me is as good as any HHGG-esque line!
>
>
> Now, there I have to agree. I can't believe I forgot to mention that on
> my "good"-list.
>
> Best
> Kåre

'fraid I'm going to have to side with Kaare on this one (I can't do the
squiggly "a" thingy), I thought it looked very disapointing. The fan boy
in me is screaming to actually like it but I didn't find the scene
funny. And sadly this seems to be the scene they're promoting most!

Kie,
"Life, don't talk to me about life."
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #394 ] Do, 14 April 2005 21:01
Gaz  
Kaare Fiedler Christiansen wrote:
> Chris Casino wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> You know, some folks at the old TDV said this scene was written by
>> Douglas five years ago on the plane back to London and he bounced into
>> their office so he could print out pages and read it to him - I figure
>> if the master himself scripted it and they left it in, what harm's
>> been done?
>
>
> At this point I have to agree with Simo, that anything made by DNA
> himself is not great by default. Also, who knows what lines accompanied
> the original scene? Anything may have changed.
>
> Best
> Kåre

I think this sort of thing is going to cause much debate over the film -
because DNA isn't here any more, people are going to automatically
assume that anything "bad" in the film *must* be something that was
changed from DNA's version, and anything "good" is something of his that
was left in. Without seeing every iteration of the script, we'll never
know whether or not half the stuff that sucks was just Douglas having a
bad day...

--
Gaz
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #396 ] Do, 14 April 2005 21:43
alt.fan.douglas-adams  
> who knows what lines accompanied the original scene?

Me. Jim. Tim. Shim.

> Anything may have changed.

Except it hasn't - not in the final print, anyway.

This trailer, however, has been edited ever so slightly.

The complete scene has a fyvtugyl ybatre cnhfr nf Neguhe gjvtf jung'f
unccravat, naq nfxf Mncubq jung ur guvaxf, which means the comic timing has
lost a slight edge.

Also missing is the bireurnq fubg fubjvat gur tnat ehaavat guebhtu n frn bs
cnqqyrf.

Something else worth bearing in mind is that you haven't seen is the setup.
When they're first nobneq Wrygm'f fuvc, nsgre Neguhe unf ernq gur thvqr
ragel ba Ibtbaf, Sbeq nqqf: "Gurl pna'g guvax, gurl pna'g vzntvar, zbfg bs
gurz pna'g rira fcryy. Gurl whfg eha guvatf".

But most important of all, vf gur wbxr gung Qbhtynf unf cynlrq ba nyy gur
xarr-wrexref bhg gurer.

Juvyr vg'f cerggl boivbhf gung gur jubyr cbvag bs guvf fprar vf gb rkcynva
*ubj* gur ragver Ibtba enpr raqrq hc nf Sbeq qrfpevorq gurz, rirelbar frrzf
gb or pnyyvat gur qrivprf "sylfjnggref". Gurl'er abg. Gurl'er FYNC FGVPXF.

Naq gung, lbh frr, vf gur *erny* wbxr va guvf fprar. Qbhtynf fgnegrq jvgu n
terng vqrn - Ibtba orunivbhe univat orra qryvorengryl rapbhentrq gb ribyir
ol na rkgreany sbepr (juvpu va vgfrys, vf n ersrerapr gb n fprar va n
pregnva zbivr gung jr nyy xabj Qbhtynf nqberq) - naq vzcyrzragrq vg va gur
zbfg yhqvpebhf naq fyncfgvpx znaare, xabjvat shyy jryy jung crbcyr'f
ernpgvba jbhyq or.


> And sadly this seems to be the scene they're promoting most!

"Such subtlety ..." said Slartibartfast, "one has to admire it."

Cheers,

Sean.

--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day." -- DNA
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #397 ] Do, 14 April 2005 22:08
Gaz  
Sean D. Sollé wrote:

> Gurl'er FYNC FGVPXF.
>

Doh! Of course they are! I can't believe I didn't get that. And
*that* is why DNA was a friggin genius.

Thanks for that! :-)

--
Gaz
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #400 ] Fr, 15 April 2005 02:49
Chris Casino  
"Kaare Fiedler Christiansen" <news [at] kaarefc.dk> wrote in message
news:d3m55m$ier$1 [at] domitilla.aioe.org...
>
> Please point me to a funny line in the bit. There is lot's of slapstick
> effect, but all the dialogue seemed to miss the humour that always made me
> love Douglas Adams' work.

"I checked the Guide for the best way to rescue a prisoner from Vogsphere -
it said don't." Ford Prefect.
>
> For instance, Ford's line "Nobody think..." etc. just begs for making some
> remark worthy of Douglas Adams, but it never comes.

Because they were trying to avoid getting hit by those things again, hence
no speech.


> I just looked at the clip again, and realised, that if you removed
> Zaphod's stupid hat he looks okay. Especially when he rasies his arm to
> speak, that's truly Zaphod (except for the missing head, of course). That
> was at least one more plus-thing.

I always felt that way. Kare, I don't know where you'll find it in your
country, but I suggest you rent "Confessions of a Dangerous Mind" to see the
great Sam in action, wherein he gives a truly Beeblebroxian perfromance.
Even MJ said so (of course this was before he saw the film, but I digress).

> Admittedly, Marvin's voice was a little better than I remembered it. I
> guess I will have to let go of Stephen Moore :-)
>
> Best
> Kåre

Yeah, it's painful, isn't it? It was hard for me too, but I'd always wanted
Rickman in the movie somehow, and I was a tad bit disappointed that Stephen
wasn't Marvin - but Alan Rickman is one of the greatest living actors alive
today and I'd always hoped he'd be in the movie somehow (in fact, if John
Malkovich hadn't been cast, Humma Kavula sounds like a role he could have
played pretty well) and I thought the moment he was announced that he had a
perfect voice for a robot. Of course not everybody's going to feel that way
and I can't change their minds.

Oh, well. I guess I'll just sit in a corner and rust :-)
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #404 ] Fr, 15 April 2005 08:33
Tom Zylkin  
I don't think you guys actually get the obvious joke: that these things
actually are "slapsticks"...

Kaare Fiedler Christiansen wrote:

> Sean D. Sollé wrote:
>
>> Kaare wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Marvin's voice worked quite well on the website, but the single
>>> comment here sound exactly like dthe worst reviews I have seen said.
>>> It's not depressed. It's purely abusive.
>>
>>
>>
>> "It amazes me how you can manage to live in anything that small."
>>
>> "Ah," said Arthur, "abuse."
>>
>> "Yes," confirmed Marvin.
>
>
> I know Marvin had lines like that. The point is not the lines. It's
> the voice. I'm not discussing the lines. The voice of Marvin should be
> depressed. It didn't sound depressed to me. But it was a minor point.
>
>>> - There wasn't one single funny line in all this, the way I see it.
>>
>>
>> Oh well, never mind.
>
>
> Please point me to a funny line in the bit. There is lot's of
> slapstick effect, but all the dialogue seemed to miss the humour that
> always made me love Douglas Adams' work.
>
> For instance, Ford's line "Nobody think..." etc. just begs for making
> some remark worthy of Douglas Adams, but it never comes.
>
> I just looked at the clip again, and realised, that if you removed
> Zaphod's stupid hat he looks okay. Especially when he rasies his arm
> to speak, that's truly Zaphod (except for the missing head, of
> course). That was at least one more plus-thing.
>
> Admittedly, Marvin's voice was a little better than I remembered it. I
> guess I will have to let go of Stephen Moore :-)
>
> Best
> Kåre
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #406 ] Fr, 15 April 2005 09:31
earthnative  
Juvyr vg'f cerggl boivbhf gung gur jubyr cbvag bs guvf fprar vf gb
rkcynva
*ubj* gur ragver Ibtba enpr raqrq hc nf Sbeq qrfpevorq gurz, rirelbar
frrzf
gb or pnyyvat gur qrivprf "sylfjnggref". Gurl'er abg. Gurl'er FYNC
FGVPXF.

I dunno about anyone else, but this was blindingly obvious to me as the
point the very first time I saw this scene in the god-awfull US
trailer. And at that point I didn't know what planet they were on, the
context of the scene, or anything.

But my first thought was nonetheless "njrfbzr. fyncfgvpx pbzrql
vaibyivat fynccvat fgvpxf. gung'f gbb pyrire ol unys"

Wheee :)

..../Nemo
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #428 ] Sa, 16 April 2005 12:45
Kaare Fiedler Christi  
Tom Zylkin wrote:
> I don't think you guys actually get the obvious joke: that these things
> actually are "slapsticks"...

Uhm, eh. Ha ha?

Best
Kåre
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #430 ] Sa, 16 April 2005 12:50
Kaare Fiedler Christi  
Sean D. Sollé wrote:
>>Anything may have changed.
>
>
> Except it hasn't - not in the final print, anyway.
>
> This trailer, however, has been edited ever so slightly.

Yay! Yay! That posting just put all my expectations up a notch! Thank
you, Sean, your posts tend to do that!

(Also mixing ROT13 and normal text had a hilarious effect. I kept
reading two ROT13'ed words before noticing)

Best
Kåre
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #431 ] Sa, 16 April 2005 13:00
John Coxon  
In the two thousand and fifth year of Bob, Kaare Fiedler Christiansen's
voice said the following, in wonderful perfect quadrophonic sound with
distortion levels so low as to make a man weep:

> Sean D. Sollé wrote:
>
>> Gaz wrote:
>>
>>> Anything may have changed.
>>
>> Except it hasn't - not in the final print, anyway.
>>
>> This trailer, however, has been edited ever so slightly.
>
> Yay! Yay! That posting just put all my expectations up a notch! Thank
> you, Sean, your posts tend to do that!
>
> (Also mixing ROT13 and normal text had a hilarious effect. I kept
> reading two ROT13'ed words before noticing)

That's when you know you've been here too long, when you have difficulty
noticing ROT13 compared to English...

--
John Coxon

A mathematician is a machine for converting coffee into theorems.

Email: john[dot]coxon[at]gmail[dot]com
Website: http://alphacentauri.8k.com
Missing footnotes: http://www.nut.house.cx/cgi-bin/nemowiki.pl?ISFN
ZZ9 - the official HHGG appreciation society: http://www.zz9.org/
Re: First official scene from the movie - Follow this link: [message #497 ] Mo, 18 April 2005 22:45
Dave Adalian  
Oh! I've peed myself! Somewhere, DNA is giggling.


Chiggy.


"Chris Casino" <ccasino [at] rcn.com> wrote in message
news:lNCdndk2z-4qPsHfRVn-2Q [at] rcn.net...
> It's the new scene on Vogsphere with the flyswatters and it's hilarious,
> go check it out here:
>
> http://movies.channel.aol.com/franchise/firstlook.adp
>
> It's available in QuickTime and AOL format both with Dial-Up and
> Broadband. Enjoy. It's funny as hell.
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