| COTEOF: Kirk eats meat [message #47518] |
Sa, 28 Mai 2005 03:30 |
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OMG, the symbolism isn't even subtle...
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/baloney.jpg
Two men, one bedroom, and a whole lot of baloney!
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| Re: COTEOF: Kirk eats meat [message #47525 ] |
Sa, 28 Mai 2005 05:08 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
> OMG, the symbolism isn't even subtle...
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> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/baloney.jpg
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> Two men, one bedroom, and a whole lot of baloney!
I swear, that is not photoshopped.
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| Re: COTEOF: Kirk eats meat [message #47528 ] |
Sa, 28 Mai 2005 06:58 |
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:4297C9C5.80901 [at] lauragoodwin.org...
> OMG, the symbolism isn't even subtle...
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> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/baloney.jpg
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> Two men, one bedroom, and a whole lot of baloney!
If that's not proof of Kirk's homo erotic behavior, I don't know what it.
Of course....he could have just been hungry for baloney.
Isn't Spock a vegetarian?
--
Eric Nichols
Psalm 138:8
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| Re: COTEOF: Kirk eats meat [message #47529 ] |
Sa, 28 Mai 2005 07:07 |
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:4297C9C5.80901 [at] lauragoodwin.org...
> OMG, the symbolism isn't even subtle...
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> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/baloney.jpg
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> Two men, one bedroom, and a whole lot of baloney!
Oh yeah, found this and thought of you
http://www.planetout.com/news/letters/?id=324
--
Eric Nichols
Psalm 138:8
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| Re: COTEOF: Kirk eats meat [message #47532 ] |
Sa, 28 Mai 2005 08:02 |
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Eric Nichols wrote:
> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> news:4297C9C5.80901 [at] lauragoodwin.org...
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>>OMG, the symbolism isn't even subtle...
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>>http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/baloney.jpg
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>>Two men, one bedroom, and a whole lot of baloney!
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> Oh yeah, found this and thought of you
> http://www.planetout.com/news/letters/?id=324
Well... speaking of GR and Gays....
1) << We [the interviewers] tell Gene [Roddenberry] something of our
recent interview with Bill [Shatner] and Leonard [Nimoy] - touching on
the Kirk-Spock relationship, and Nimoy's feeling that Kirk was essential
to Spock's life:
"I know you've told us you designed that relationship as 'Two halves
which come together to make a whole'. Is that how you still see it?"
[Roddenberry]: "Oh yes. As I've said, I definitely designed it as a love
relationship. I think that's what we're all about - love, the effort to
reach out to each other. I think that's a lovely thing. Also,
dramatically, I designed Kirk and Spock to complete each other - and in
fact, the Kirk, Spock McCoy triad to be the dramatic embodiment of the
parts of one person: logic, emotion, and the balance between them. You
cannot have an internal monolog on the screen, so that is a way of
personifying it, getting it out where it can be seen - that internal
debate which we all have within. AND I designed Kirk and Spock, as I
told you, as dream images of myself, the two halves. But in terms of the
characters, yes. That closeness... absolutely."
There is also this:
"There's a great deal of writing in the Star Trek movement which
compares the relationship between Alexander and Hephaistion* to the
relationship between Kirk and Spock - focusing on the closeness of the
friendship, the feeling that they would die for one another..."
[Roddenberry]: "Yes, there's certainly some of that - certainly with
love overtones. Deep love. The only difference being, the Greek ideal...
we never suggested in the series... physical love between the two. But
it's the... we certainly had the feeling that the affection was
sufficient for that, if that were the particular style of the 23rd century."
[From: Shatner: Where No Man...: The Authorized Biography of William
Shatner (Chapter 7 - Page 145, 147-8)]
2) Gene Roddenberry: "In the fifth season [of Star Trek: The Next
Generation] viewers will see more of shipboard life [including] Gay crew
members in day-to-day circumstances."
[Interview, The Advocate, 1991]
3) "My attitude toward homosexuality has changed. I came to the
conclusion that I was wrong. I was never someone who hunted down "fags"
as we used to call them on the street. I would, sometimes, say something
anti-homosexual off the top of my head because it was thought, in those
days, to be funny. I never really deeply believed those comments, but I
gave the impression of being thoughtless in these areas. I have, over
many years, changed my attitude about gay men and women." Gene
Roddenberry, to The Humanist, 1991
[From http://www.philosophysphere.com/humanist.html <-- Full interview]
4) << In 1987, veteran Trek writer David Gerrold (author of the
original episode The Trouble with Tribbles) accompanied Gene Roddenberry
to a Star Trek convention in Boston where Roddenberry was asked by some
gay Trek fans if there would be a gay character on The Next Generation.
Roddenberry answered in the affirmative and subsequently brought the
idea up in a staff meeting, reportedly responding to some initial
resistance with the statement "Times have changed and we have got to be
aware of it". Since TNG was a syndicated show, and Paramount had given
Roddenberry the freedom to do whatever he wanted to do, the road seemed
clear. Gerrold developed a story called Blood and Fire that featured a
gay male couple and infectious alien creatures called bloodworms that
were an allegory for AIDS. Roddenberry and the writing staff loved the
story, and Gerrold went on a vacation. What happened when he returned is
described as follows in Star Trek The Next Generation: The Continuing
Mission:
"[Gerold] found that his script was in disfavor. The idealism of
Roddenberry's initial intentions to push the limits of television
story-telling had hit the wall of business concerns. Much of the change
in perception of the script resulted from Paramount's concern that
because the series was syndicated, in some markets it might air in the
afternoon when younger viewers would be part of the audience. Thus the
studio had to weigh the mandate to produce provocative, issues-oriented
episodes against the possible reaction of parents who might not want
their children to see issues they felt were more suited to adult
programing hours.
Though Gerrold fought for his script and it was slated for production,
he also understood his responsibilities as a professional writer under
contract to the series. Thus, he followed the producers' notes to revise
the script by dropping the gay characters.
Though the revised script was not as powerful as the first, more and
more revisions followed. While in television it is not unusual to have
ten or more rounds of revisions on a script, eventually Gerrold's script
was dropped from the production schedule." >>
[From http://www.webpan.com/dsinclair/trek.html]
5) Gene Roddenberry: "I'm sorry I never had a homosexual relationship,"
he remarks pensively, out of the blue, one afternoon, "because I know
that there must be many joys and pleasures and degrees of closeness in
those relationships. I think that I have in a way been cursed by having
picked my particular time period and background and so on, because I
have no doubt that I am capable of homosexualism. As a matter of fact,
remind me, I'm in the midst of making a decision about homosexuality -
male and female - and how we are going to treat it on Star Trek, the
lovely ways in which we will treat it - without defying present average
conditions."
[From Gene Roddenberry; The Last Conversation (by Yvonne Fern, 1994)]
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0520088425/107-693024 1-6153356
<-- buy it
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| Kirk holding phallic symbols (Re: COTEOF: Kirk eats meat) [message #47535 ] |
Sa, 28 Mai 2005 08:37 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/baloney.jpg
Gee, for some reason that picture reminds me of this one...
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/phallic1.jpg
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| Re: Kirk holding phallic symbols (Re: COTEOF: Kirk eats meat) [message #47536 ] |
Sa, 28 Mai 2005 08:48 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
> ToolPackinMama wrote:
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>> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/baloney.jpg
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> Gee, for some reason that picture reminds me of this one...
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> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/phallic1.jpg
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And what about this one?
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/arena-ut.jpg
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| Re: Kirk holding phallic symbols (Re: COTEOF: Kirk eats meat) [message #47537 ] |
Sa, 28 Mai 2005 08:55 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
>>> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/baloney.jpg
>> Gee, for some reason that picture reminds me of this one...
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>> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/phallic1.jpg
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> And what about this one?
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> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/arena-ut.jpg
Then there's this...
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/phallic2.jpg
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| Re: COTEOF: Kirk eats meat [message #47538 ] |
Sa, 28 Mai 2005 09:17 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
> OMG, the symbolism isn't even subtle...
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> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/baloney.jpg
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> Two men, one bedroom, and a whole lot of baloney!
It's even more obvious when they both guiltily scramble to conceal their
activities when Edith busts in, seconds later... LOL
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| Re: COTEOF: Kirk eats meat [message #47539 ] |
Sa, 28 Mai 2005 09:19 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
> OMG, the symbolism isn't even subtle...
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> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/baloney.jpg
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> Two men, one bedroom, and a whole lot of baloney!
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/disbelieve.jpg
You are in good company, Bones, cos I don't believe in her, either. :)
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| Re: COTEOF: Kirk eats meat [message #47541 ] |
Sa, 28 Mai 2005 10:09 |
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You are a deluded and demented nutcase. How's your therapy coming
along? What is it this week? EST? Rolphing? Homeopathy?
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| Re: COTEOF: Kirk eats meat [message #47545 ] |
Sa, 28 Mai 2005 15:47 |
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A pal sent me this link in my email:
http://home.insightbb.com/~zimzum/woohoo_tube.jpg
ROFL!
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| Re: COTEOF: Kirk eats meat [message #47547 ] |
Sa, 28 Mai 2005 16:29 |
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From Roddenberry's own lips:
"... we never suggested in the series... physical love between the two."
Yep, positive proof that there was no Kirk-Spock boning each other.
Thanks to Laura for providing the quote.
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| Re: Kirk holding phallic symbols (Re: COTEOF: Kirk eats meat) [message #47552 ] |
Sa, 28 Mai 2005 18:56 |
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http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/gall.jpg
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| Re: Kirk holding phallic symbols (Re: COTEOF: Kirk eats meat) [message #47554 ] |
Sa, 28 Mai 2005 20:12 |
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"This is my weapon, this is my gun..."
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/spectreguns.jpg
Never confuse the two, boys.
Q: When is a gun not really a gun Dr. Freud?
A: "Do not fear za gun, it won't really hurt you!"
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| Kirk's magical disappearing, reappearing gun (Re: Kirk holding phallicsymbols) [message #47556 ] |
Sa, 28 Mai 2005 20:32 |
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I was trying to catch a snapshot of Kirk confiscating and/or wielding
Sulu's found pistol, when I suddenly realized something astonishing.
Kirk takes the pistol and sticks it down the front of his pants. We
then don't see it at all, no sign of it anywhere - no bulge, nothing -
for most of the episode. Near the end, it magically reappears in his
hand.
He has no holster, no pocket, no purse... where has he been carrying it
all that time!? We are left to wonder!
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| Re: Kirk holding phallic symbols (Re: COTEOF: Kirk eats meat) [message #47557 ] |
Sa, 28 Mai 2005 20:48 |
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LOL! ROFL!
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/nicedog.jpg
You'd better hope that's its tail!
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| Re: Kirk holding phallic symbols (Re: COTEOF: Kirk eats meat) [message #47630 ] |
So, 29 Mai 2005 15:11 |
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:119g51v3u4jp3ee [at] news.supernews.com...
> ToolPackinMama wrote:
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>> ToolPackinMama wrote:
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>>> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/baloney.jpg
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>> Gee, for some reason that picture reminds me of this one...
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>> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/phallic1.jpg
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> And what about this one?
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> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/arena-ut.jpg
Well as long as you're on Arena, don't forget about the mortar launcher :-)
I like your screen caps, they're always fun.
Regards,
-PineTrees
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| Re: Kirk holding phallic symbols (Re: COTEOF: Kirk eats meat) [message #47637 ] |
So, 29 Mai 2005 16:42 |
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PineTrees wrote:
> Well as long as you're on Arena, don't forget about the mortar launcher :-)
Good call!
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> I like your screen caps, they're always fun.
Thank you. :)
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| Re: COTEOF: Kirk eats meat [message #65155 ] |
Mi, 22 Juni 2005 05:30 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/baloney.jpg
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> Two men, one bedroom, and a whole lot of baloney!
LOL! Sorry. Still cracks me up. :)
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