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Science Fiction » alt.fan.douglas-adams » Movie Review
| Movie Review [message #248] |
Sa, 09 April 2005 16:30 |
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In case you don't keep an eye on it, Simo has posted reviews of the
movie at www.planetmagrathea.com
Not good news..
--
D.
"The Sphynx of the Caverns is the deadliest of all.
It possesses the head of a snake,
the body of a snake
and the feet of a snake."
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| Re: Movie Review [message #249 ] |
Sa, 09 April 2005 18:38 |
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Hmm, not too good when he writes:
"And this film, I'm very sorry to report, is bad. Really bad. You just
won't believe how vastly, staggeringly, jaw-droppingly bad it is. I
mean, you might think that The Phantom Menace was a hopelessly
misguided attempt to reinvent a much-loved franchise by people who,
though well-intentioned, completely failed to understand what made the
original popular - but that's just peanuts to the Hitchhiker's movie.
Oh I hope he is wrong. :(
scojo
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| Re: Movie Review [message #250 ] |
Sa, 09 April 2005 18:44 |
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I hope this isn't what the Judge Dredd film was to Judge Dredd/2000AD
comic fans. Now that was bad. It can't be worse than that.
scojo
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| Re: Movie Review [message #252 ] |
Sa, 09 April 2005 19:15 |
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Gusty wrote:
> In case you don't keep an eye on it, Simo has posted reviews of the
> movie at www.planetmagrathea.com
>
> Not good news..
>
This is a disturbing review, I quite enjoyed the look of the trailers
(Although a bit too Americanised).
Kie,
"Life, don't talk to me about life."
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| Re: Movie Review [message #253 ] |
Sa, 09 April 2005 19:49 |
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In the two thousand and fifth year of Bob, Kieran John's voice said the
following, in wonderful perfect quadrophonic sound with distortion levels so
low as to make a man weep:
> Gusty wrote:
>
>> In case you don't keep an eye on it, Simo has posted reviews of the
>> movie at www.planetmagrathea.com
>>
>> Not good news..
>
> This is a disturbing review, I quite enjoyed the look of the trailers
> (Although a bit too Americanised).
Problem is, it's Simo. If there is one journalist you can trust to 'get'
how the fan's going to react, it's him.
Bobdamn it.
--
John Coxon
A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
Email: john[dot]coxon[at]gmail[dot]com
Website: http://alphacentauri.8k.com
Missing footnotes: http://www.nut.house.cx/cgi-bin/nemowiki.pl?ISFN
ZZ9 - the official HHGG appreciation society: http://www.zz9.org/
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| Re: Movie Review [message #255 ] |
Sa, 09 April 2005 20:10 |
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> Not good news..
Personally, I reckon it's incredibly good news, because any self-respecting
fan will see it at the cinema regardless, but now they'll be extremely
nervous about what to expect.
And that's exactly how I felt at a pre-screening over a month ago.
Sure, I'd visited the sets, fondled the props, gazed in wonder at the
storyboards and concept art, met the cast and crew, and run about in blind
panic outside Moorgate tube station during the destruction of Earth, but I
was still worried.
What if I didn't like it? Or even worse, what if I *did* like it - but only
because they'd made a film that only *true* Hitchhiker fans would love and
understand, and that everyone else just ignored?
I needn't have worried.
I loved it.
Especially all the new material. Five years ago, Douglas burst into our
office, plonked himself down in an armchair, and started printing stuff from
his powerbook. "Here", he enthused, "tell me what you think of this!". As
each page peeled off the printer, I read it, jaw sufficiently agape to
swallow a rodent whole, and passed it on to my equally eager teammates.
It was the Vogshpere slapstick scene, and Douglas had been writing it on the
plane over to London. And he was asking *us* what we thought of it. And
there it was, even funnier on the big screen than it had been in our office.
In fact, I rather wished there was more new stuff, for two reasons. Firstly,
there's not nearly enough of Douglas's material in the world, so the more
the merrier. And secondly, the old stuff kept making me cry. (Mostly at the
thought that Douglas couldn't see it, but also at the relief that it was
actually, finally, unbelievably on a cinema screen, and that they hadn't,
for example, forgotten to put film in the cameras).
But, to be honest, your best bet is to ignore everything I've said, and just
go and see it, because even if you want to nail the production team to
inverted crosses for blaspheming the gospel according to your signed
leather-bound ultimate edition, you won't see another movie like this for a
*long* time :-)
Cheers,
Sean.
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"You're a character in a soap opera for which only you have the script"
-- DNA
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| Re: Movie Review [message #257 ] |
Sa, 09 April 2005 21:39 |
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Reason not withstanding the universe continued unabated and Sean D.
Sollé spoke forth:
>> Not good news..
>
>Personally, I reckon it's incredibly good news, because any self-respecting
>fan will see it at the cinema regardless, but now they'll be extremely
>nervous about what to expect.
>
>And that's exactly how I felt at a pre-screening over a month ago.
>
>Sure, I'd visited the sets, fondled the props, gazed in wonder at the
>storyboards and concept art, met the cast and crew, and run about in blind
>panic outside Moorgate tube station during the destruction of Earth, but I
>was still worried.
>
>What if I didn't like it? Or even worse, what if I *did* like it - but only
>because they'd made a film that only *true* Hitchhiker fans would love and
>understand, and that everyone else just ignored?
>
>I needn't have worried.
>
>I loved it.
>
>Especially all the new material. Five years ago, Douglas burst into our
>office, plonked himself down in an armchair, and started printing stuff from
>his powerbook. "Here", he enthused, "tell me what you think of this!". As
>each page peeled off the printer, I read it, jaw sufficiently agape to
>swallow a rodent whole, and passed it on to my equally eager teammates.
>
>It was the Vogshpere slapstick scene, and Douglas had been writing it on the
>plane over to London. And he was asking *us* what we thought of it. And
>there it was, even funnier on the big screen than it had been in our office.
>
>In fact, I rather wished there was more new stuff, for two reasons. Firstly,
>there's not nearly enough of Douglas's material in the world, so the more
>the merrier. And secondly, the old stuff kept making me cry. (Mostly at the
>thought that Douglas couldn't see it, but also at the relief that it was
>actually, finally, unbelievably on a cinema screen, and that they hadn't,
>for example, forgotten to put film in the cameras).
>
>But, to be honest, your best bet is to ignore everything I've said, and just
>go and see it, because even if you want to nail the production team to
>inverted crosses for blaspheming the gospel according to your signed
>leather-bound ultimate edition, you won't see another movie like this for a
>*long* time :-)
>
Hi Sean,
Long time and all that...
Thanks for the comments, it's nice to get some more of the "view from
inside" coming out. I hope you don't mind I also copied your message
to the DAC forum wher there is a lot of discussion on this.
Obviously Mike's review puts into words what many long time fans have
feared the movies would become - a Holywood-ized caricature of the
radio series/book/whatever.
I know a lot of fans are also concerned that the procuction team have
messed with Douglas' work and your mail seems to put lie to that - if
the gospel has been f***ed with, it appears that Douglas did it
himself to make the movie more palatable to Holywood.
That doesn't make it good any more than that any new Douglas material
is automatically good.
I really hope the movie is good, that it is sucessful and, if it
brings Douglas's work to a wider audience, that can only be a good
thing.
I don't think the review will stop any dedicated fan from seeing the
movie.
--
D.
"The Sphynx of the Caverns is the deadliest of all.
It possesses the head of a snake,
the body of a snake
and the feet of a snake."
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| Re: Movie Review [message #258 ] |
Sa, 09 April 2005 22:17 |
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I have tonight booked tickets to see the preview at Birmingham's
Electric Cinema, complete with a Q and A session with, guess who? M.J.
Simpson.
I wonder what THAT is going to be like!
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| Re: Movie Review [message #259 ] |
Sa, 09 April 2005 22:19 |
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I have tonight booked tickets to see the preview at Birmingham's
Electric Cinema, complete with a Q and A session with, guess who? M.J.
Simpson.
I wonder what THAT is going to be like!
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| Re: Movie Review [message #260 ] |
Sa, 09 April 2005 22:54 |
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<booby [at] myself.com> wrote
> I hope this isn't what the Judge Dredd film was to Judge Dredd/2000AD
> comic fans. Now that was bad. It can't be worse than that.
I thought that was OK apart from the annoying unnecessary changes they
made - like JD taking his helmet off ! CRIMINAL ! They changed Fergie in to
some kind of comic side-kick too.
Steve M
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| Re: Movie Review [message #261 ] |
Sa, 09 April 2005 22:57 |
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"Gusty" <gustywinds [at] btopenworld.com> wrote
> In case you don't keep an eye on it, Simo has posted reviews of the
> movie at www.planetmagrathea.com
>
> Not good news..
Hmmmm, so let's see now ..."This review is based on a substantially complete
version of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy shown to a small group of
journalists in London on 31st March 2005".
So the review was posted probably on April 1st ?
.........
!!!!
Steve M
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| Re: Movie Review [message #262 ] |
So, 10 April 2005 00:30 |
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Steve Marshall wrote:
> "Gusty" <gustywinds [at] btopenworld.com> wrote
>
>
>>In case you don't keep an eye on it, Simo has posted reviews of the
>>movie at www.planetmagrathea.com
>>
>>Not good news..
>
>
>
> Hmmmm, so let's see now ..."This review is based on a substantially complete
> version of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy shown to a small group of
> journalists in London on 31st March 2005".
>
> So the review was posted probably on April 1st ?
>
> ........
>
>
> !!!!
Sorry, no. The review was posted April 9th.
See Planet Magrathea yourself.
Best
Kåre
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| Re: Movie Review [message #264 ] |
So, 10 April 2005 03:37 |
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In article <Upudne7yCqmahsXfRVnygw [at] eclipse.net.uk>, Sean D. Sollé wrote:
>> Not good news..
> I loved it.
Thanks for that Sean. I honestly don't know what to expect. I
(and I suspect a fair few of us here) have had low expectations
of it for a long time. Of late, with the movie trailers and the
site (especially the UK one), I had begun to feel that this may
actually be good. Now, reading Simo's review has put me back in
the place where I was when I first heard that the movie would
still be made.
I am going to see it with the lowest of expectations so as to
not get disappointed if it is every bit as awful as the review
says it is.
Sid
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s i d at n e r t e dot n e t
http://www.nerte.net
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| Re: Movie Review [message #266 ] |
So, 10 April 2005 10:45 |
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pris200 [at] hotmail.com wrote in message news:<1113077857.911846.163150 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>...
> I have tonight booked tickets to see the preview at Birmingham's
> Electric Cinema, complete with a Q and A session with, guess who? M.J.
> Simpson.
> I wonder what THAT is going to be like!
VERY interesting.
Apart from anything else, it will give me a chance to see the film in
its completely finished version with an audience. I'm hoping that
might let me view it differently, though I don't expect it to
significantly swing my opinion.
For those who can't make Birmingham, I will also be introducing a
screening at Leicester Phoenix Arts in June.
MJ Simpson
www.planetmagrathea.com
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| Re: Movie Review [message #277 ] |
So, 10 April 2005 19:54 |
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Gusty wrote:
>
> I really hope the movie is good, that it is sucessful and, if it
> brings Douglas's work to a wider audience, that can only be a good
> thing.
>
> I don't think the review will stop any dedicated fan from seeing the
> movie.
It won't stop me!
--
Tian
Friday in Palo Alto we had a fossil fools action at the Ford
Dealership. Check out my pictures of the event by clicking
on the picture of Orange cheerleaders at the top of this page:
http://tian.greens.org
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| Re: Movie Review [message #278 ] |
So, 10 April 2005 23:29 |
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"Tian Harter" <DontBeFuelish [at] aol.com29558052> wrote in message
news:d3bpbn$f4o$1 [at] domitilla.aioe.org...
> Gusty wrote:
>> I don't think the review will stop any dedicated fan from seeing the
>> movie.
>
> It won't stop me!
Me either. The way I figure it, somebody was bound to dislike it, just like
others are bound to love it like MJ said. Shit happens.
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| Re: Movie Review [message #279 ] |
So, 10 April 2005 20:36 |
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I think we gave up our option to be upset when we knew that money was being
sought to fund the film.
I believe that this had gone on for several years and they couldn't find any
until now. Given that 15 million ( yes MILLION ) copies of the Hitchhiker's
guide have been sold world wide this should have created a very large fan
base. Let's say of the 15M only 10% or 1.5 million became interested enough
to want to see a film done properly, and further suppose they would pay the
price of a paperback to do so this gives us 1,500,000 * $7 = $10,500,000
more than sufficient to make a start on filming especially since this movie
screams INDEPENDENT not mainstream. Mainstream will always give us movies
like Judge Dredd or Tankgirl, watered down for the mass market.
We live in an age where a suitably motivate SMALL group of people could
not only set up the company needed to house this project but could film it,
produce it and market it all using techniques that many of us already use.
Consider the manner in which The lord of the rings was approached, wouldn't
we all have preferred that?
Nope, we screwed the pooch on this one and I am ashamed to say I am one of
the worst offenders. FUCK.
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| Re: Movie Review [message #280 ] |
So, 10 April 2005 23:45 |
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"harry palmer" <rob [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:Eme6e.106$nK5.14 [at] newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
<snipped>
> Nope, we screwed the pooch on this one and I am ashamed to say I am one of
> the worst offenders. FUCK.
>
>
>
Can you say "rant"?
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| Re: Movie Review [message #283 ] |
So, 10 April 2005 21:58 |
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Gusty wrote ...
> Thanks for the comments, it's nice to get some more of the "view from
> inside" coming out.
Glad to be of service. It's really nice finally to be allowed to talk about
the movie - though I should point out that my "view from the inside" mostly
consisted of the occasional visit to Elstree to go "ooh!" and "ahh!" and
"wow!" a lot, and standing chatting about industrial control systems in a
large room full of glue just long enough to miss the day's filming that we'd
especially come to see.
To be honest though, I felt somewhat of a fraud the first time we visited
the production offices. Sure we'd read the books, digitized the radio
series, used the towel and written the computer game. And yes, we'd worked
with Douglas for something approaching 20% of his career, had as many
lunches with him as we had hot dinners, and tagged along on bits of his
world tours. But the folks at Elstree were actually making the film.
A real film, with storyboards, and props, and concept art, and endless lists
of minutely detailed things, and they showed it all to us, and asked "What
do you think?"
Actually, that's not strictly true.
First they offered us cups of tea and biscuits and listened politely to me
banging on and on about the Infocom game until Tim elbowed me in the ribs,
and *then* they showed us everything. And I felt like a complete charlatan
because they had clearly not only read the books, bought all the towels off
eBay and rendered a guide entry after the Willow Pattern, but were asking
questions ("what's Arthur Dent's full postal address?") that took us rather
longer than we'd like to answer.
It seemed like we were getting an awful lot more out of the arrangement than
the production team were - we'd get tea, jammy dodgers and extensive
prop-fondling opportunities, and they got a bunch of geeks taking up their
time and getting under their feet while they were trying to, oh, get the
perfect stained concrete effect - "still not quite squalid enough?" - on the
Vogon bridge.
And then the filming stopped, and everything went quiet, and we were really
right back in the same boat as every other fan, worrying, speculating,
crossing our fingers that it was going to be as great as it had looked on
the set.
> many long time fans have feared the movies would become
> a Holywood-ized caricature of the radio series/book/whatever.
Well, believe me, I felt exactly the same - and then some. Everything we'd
seen on set was so amazing that I was dreading hearing about it floundering
in front of non-fan focus groups and being "revised".
But the closest I thought the movie came to Hollywood was the typeface of
the "Welcome to Magrathea" sign.
It's not a caricature, but neither is it a remake. It's Hitchhiker's as a
movie, and it's like *nothing* you've seen before. But then the original
radio series was like nothing I'd heard before, and that's what made it so
absolutely fantastic :-)
> if the gospel has been f***ed with, it appears that Douglas did it
> himself to make the movie more palatable to Holywood.
Good grief, no! Douglas reworked the story because that's what he loved
doing! He was exactly the same on Starship Titanic - you wouldn't *believe*
how many iterations that went through. As soon as Douglas came up with a fab
new idea, he'd bound into the programmers' office, ask us what we thought,
was it possible, could we expect players to use two mice to solve a puzzle,
and how soon could we put it in? It was the best and worst thing about
working at TDV - brilliant because you'd get an endless stream of original
Douglas Adams ideas, and horrible because we didn't have the time to use
even a tenth of them.
> That doesn't make it good any more than that any new Douglas material
> is automatically good.
Well, it depends what you want, really. I can't imagine anyone's daft enough
to expect a word-perfect retelling of the books or TV or radio series -
surely that's what books and DVDs and iPods are for? (Unless I missed the
memo about all the original versions being rounded up and ritually burned
;-).
If you want a damn fine Hitchhiker's movie, something that you as a fan (and
hence contributor to the original success of Hitchhiker) can be bloody proud
of, and something that your non-fan friends will enjoy and finally
understand what you've been going on about for the last twenty-something
years, then this is it.
Cheers,
Sean.
--
"I'd forgotten it was all your fault." - DNA
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| Re: Movie Review [message #284 ] |
So, 10 April 2005 22:40 |
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Sean D. Sollé wrote:
> Gusty wrote ...
>
>
> Well, it depends what you want, really. I can't imagine anyone's daft enough
> to expect a word-perfect retelling of the books or TV or radio series -
> surely that's what books and DVDs and iPods are for? (Unless I missed the
> memo about all the original versions being rounded up and ritually burned
> ;-).
>
Absolutely spot on mate. I for one do *not* want to sit in a cinema and
find myself lip-syncing along with a bunch of new actors reading the
original lines. I don't want an updated version of the TV series with
decent SFX. I want a new version of the Hitchhikers story, coz that's
what Douglas would have done. To be honest I don't care what's been
left out or changed, as long as the spirit is there, and as long as it's
a good film in its own right, I'll be happy.
I'm sorry MJ didn't like it - I think when it comes down to it, the
better you know the material, the more polarised you're going to be in
the love it / hate it stakes. I don't think any die-hard fans are going
to be coming away thinking "it was OK".
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Gaz
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| Re: Movie Review [message #288 ] |
Mo, 11 April 2005 00:37 |
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"Chris Casino" <ccasino [at] rcn.com> wrote in message
news:tv-dnfncfJXR6cTfRVn-sw [at] rcn.net...
>
> "harry palmer" <rob [at] aol.com> wrote in message
> news:Eme6e.106$nK5.14 [at] newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
>
> <snipped>
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> > Nope, we screwed the pooch on this one and I am ashamed to say I am one
of
> > the worst offenders. FUCK.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Can you say "rant"?
>
>
Yep, but I can also say "missed opportunity" as well.
Merchandizing alone will get Disney millions let alone Dvd sales etc.
ho hum
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| Re: Movie Review [message #289 ] |
Mo, 11 April 2005 01:21 |
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"Kaare Fiedler Christiansen" <news [at] kaarefc.dk> wrote
> > So the review was posted probably on April 1st ?
> >
>
> Sorry, no. The review was posted April 9th.
>
Damn ! Wishful thinking on my part. Oh well :o(
Steve M
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| Re: Movie Review [message #290 ] |
Mo, 11 April 2005 01:43 |
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"MJ Simpson" <mjs2000 [at] ntlworld.com> wrote
>
> Apart from anything else, it will give me a chance to see the film in
> its completely finished version with an audience. I'm hoping that
> might let me view it differently, though I don't expect it to
> significantly swing my opinion.
It seems a shame but it looks like the film industry has produced just the
sort of film you can expect the film industry to turn out. It is exactly why
people like myself were concerned.
It sounds like they have made a film of the story of HHGG and I never really
liked HHGG for the storyline. The beauty for most people is, I think, in the
articulate wit and humour and the wonderful outlook on life which parodies
certain viewpoints and attitudes and indeed science. If they've cut the
beautiful lines that Douglas wrote in favour of telling the story then they
have lost the plot.
I still hope to enjoy the film, but if they have changed things so much I
don't think I will.
Steve M
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| Re: Movie Review [message #356 ] |
Mi, 13 April 2005 11:42 |
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John Coxon <rogue_nine_1988 [at] hotmail.com> hit the keyboard.
Afterwards the following was on the screen:
> In the two thousand and fifth year of Bob, Kieran John's voice said
> the following, in wonderful perfect quadrophonic sound with distortion
> levels so low as to make a man weep:
>
>> Gusty wrote:
>>
>>> In case you don't keep an eye on it, Simo has posted reviews of the
>>> movie at www.planetmagrathea.com
>>>
>>> Not good news..
>> This is a disturbing review, I quite enjoyed the look of the
>> trailers (Although a bit too Americanised).
>
> Problem is, it's Simo. If there is one journalist you can trust to
> 'get' how the fan's going to react, it's him.
Unfortunately that seems true. I still hope this is a one-time miss
from him...
> Bobdamn it.
Shouldn't Bob see the movie before he can damn it?
/Rasmus
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