| Quandary Phase - Is it just me, or... [message #38683] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 15:02 |
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[having now listened to the first three eps]
Is it just me, or does the material of the book SLATFATF just not lend
itself to being adapted into the format of the Radio HHGTTG?
Perhaps its because they've tried to compress the whole story into 4
episodes, but it just doesn't seem to 'work' very well.
For example, the scene in which Arthur goes home and, basically,
describes everything in the house out loud so we, the audience, know
what's going on is just wrong for the format. It wouldn't have been
done in the primary or secondary phases. I'm not sure how it could have
been done differently, but it just seems wrong to me.
The Tertiary phase seemed to work a bit better as there were usually
several characters in any given scene so the dialogue could set the
scene, but not in bits of the Quandary phase.
Gripe over.
Ric.
ps Nice to have Stephen Fry in the radio series though... :o)
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| Re: Quandary Phase - Is it just me, or... [message #38689 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 15:17 |
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On 18/05/2005 14:02, five wild Event Maelstroms swirled in vicious storms of
unreason and frantic [at] notme.com spewed up:
> [having now listened to the first three eps]
>
> Is it just me, or does the material of the book SLATFATF just not lend
> itself to being adapted into the format of the Radio HHGTTG?
>
> Perhaps its because they've tried to compress the whole story into 4
> episodes, but it just doesn't seem to 'work' very well.
>
> For example, the scene in which Arthur goes home and, basically,
> describes everything in the house out loud so we, the audience, know
> what's going on is just wrong for the format. It wouldn't have been
> done in the primary or secondary phases. I'm not sure how it could have
> been done differently, but it just seems wrong to me.
>
> The Tertiary phase seemed to work a bit better as there were usually
> several characters in any given scene so the dialogue could set the
> scene, but not in bits of the Quandary phase.
SLATFATF and MH were written as books. The first two phases were written
for radio, and LTUAE was adapted from a Doctor Who movie treatment that DNA
had written and not gotten done.
SLATFATF and MH will be the two radio series which don't work as well as the
others because they weren't written to be on telly/radio, they were literary
works.
That makes sense, I think.
--
John Coxon
I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be without sponges.
Email: john[dot]coxon[at]gmail[dot]com
Website: http://alphacentauri.8k.com
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| Re: Quandary Phase - Is it just me, or... [message #38694 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 15:51 |
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frantic [at] notme.com wrote in news:1116418499.681700.310030
[at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
>
> [having now listened to the first three eps]
>
> Is it just me, or does the material of the book SLATFATF just not lend
> itself to being adapted into the format of the Radio HHGTTG?
>
> Perhaps its because they've tried to compress the whole story into 4
> episodes, but it just doesn't seem to 'work' very well.
>
> For example, the scene in which Arthur goes home and, basically,
> describes everything in the house out loud so we, the audience, know
> what's going on is just wrong for the format. It wouldn't have been
> done in the primary or secondary phases. I'm not sure how it could
> have been done differently, but it just seems wrong to me.
>
> The Tertiary phase seemed to work a bit better as there were usually
> several characters in any given scene so the dialogue could set the
> scene, but not in bits of the Quandary phase.
>
> Gripe over.
I'm just disappointed that they didn't play "Tunnel of Love" in this
week's episode. I know there was pseudo-Dire Straits playing in the
background, but then it went and spoiled it with strings instead of a
cool guitar solo :o(
--
iain
afda [at] imb.clara.net http://www.zootle.net/afda/
"how can you say that iain is a furyy fpevcg?!" - kristen
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| Re: Quandary Phase - Is it just me, or... [message #38695 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 16:02 |
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On 18/05/2005 14:51, five wild Event Maelstroms swirled in vicious storms of
unreason and iain spewed up:
> I'm just disappointed that they didn't play "Tunnel of Love" in this
> week's episode. I know there was pseudo-Dire Straits playing in the
> background, but then it went and spoiled it with strings instead of a
> cool guitar solo :o(
Copyright issues, I suspect.
--
John Coxon
I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be without sponges.
Email: john[dot]coxon[at]gmail[dot]com
Website: http://alphacentauri.8k.com
Missing footnotes: http://www.nut.house.cx/cgi-bin/nemowiki.pl?ISFN
ZZ9 - the official HHGG appreciation society: http://www.zz9.org/
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| Re: Quandary Phase - Is it just me, or... [message #38698 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 16:12 |
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iain <afda [at] imb.clara.net> hit the keyboard.
Afterwards the following was on the screen:
> I'm just disappointed that they didn't play "Tunnel of Love" in this
> week's episode. I know there was pseudo-Dire Straits playing in the
> background, but then it went and spoiled it with strings instead of a
> cool guitar solo :o(
Sure - still Fat Sam just had to mix it together afterwards like with
the Marving-humming-Pink-Floyd bit :-)
/Rasmus
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Stop the trolling. Make code, not war.
- Dana Lacoste
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| Re: Quandary Phase - Is it just me, or... [message #38701 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 17:21 |
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Rasmus Bøg Hansen wrote:
> iain <afda [at] imb.clara.net> hit the keyboard.
> Afterwards the following was on the screen:
>
>
>>I'm just disappointed that they didn't play "Tunnel of Love" in this
>>week's episode. I know there was pseudo-Dire Straits playing in the
>>background, but then it went and spoiled it with strings instead of a
>>cool guitar solo :o(
>
>
> Sure - still Fat Sam just had to mix it together afterwards like with
> the Marving-humming-Pink-Floyd bit :-)
>
> /Rasmus
>
Hmmmm....Now there's a challenge....Edit out the background music while
leaving the vocals in-tact and replace with a different piece of
music....Might be possible, depending how much overlaying of tracks
tehre is....A job for the weekend methinks...
--
www.fixaphoto.co.uk
for photographic restorations
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| Re: Quandary Phase - Is it just me, or... [message #38703 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 17:46 |
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Fat Sam <janetandsam [at] beeteeinternet.co.uk> wrote in news:3f14skF5eahiU1
[at] individual.net:
> Rasmus Bøg Hansen wrote:
>>
>> Sure - still Fat Sam just had to mix it together afterwards like with
>> the Marving-humming-Pink-Floyd bit :-)
>>
>> /Rasmus
>>
> Hmmmm....Now there's a challenge....Edit out the background music
> while leaving the vocals in-tact and replace with a different piece of
> music....Might be possible, depending how much overlaying of tracks
> tehre is....A job for the weekend methinks...
Or possibly, get the 5.1 surround sound mix, and hope that the dialogue
and music are on different channels...
--
iain
afda [at] imb.clara.net http://www.zootle.net/afda/
"how can you say that iain is a furyy fpevcg?!" - kristen
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| Re: Quandary Phase - Is it just me, or... [message #38704 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 17:53 |
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iain wrote:
> Fat Sam <janetandsam [at] beeteeinternet.co.uk> wrote in news:3f14skF5eahiU1
> [at] individual.net:
>
>
>>Rasmus Bøg Hansen wrote:
>>
>>>Sure - still Fat Sam just had to mix it together afterwards like with
>>>the Marving-humming-Pink-Floyd bit :-)
>>>
>>>/Rasmus
>>>
>>
>>Hmmmm....Now there's a challenge....Edit out the background music
>>while leaving the vocals in-tact and replace with a different piece of
>>music....Might be possible, depending how much overlaying of tracks
>>tehre is....A job for the weekend methinks...
>
>
> Or possibly, get the 5.1 surround sound mix, and hope that the dialogue
> and music are on different channels...
>
Ahaaaah...Good idea...
Out of interest, can I get a show of hands here....How many people would
like the episode with the correct piece of music inserted....
--
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| Re: Quandary Phase - Is it just me, or... [message #38718 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 22:53 |
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<frantic [at] notme.com> wrote
> Is it just me, or does the material of the book SLATFATF just not lend
> itself to being adapted into the format of the Radio HHGTTG?
>
> Perhaps its because they've tried to compress the whole story into 4
> episodes, but it just doesn't seem to 'work' very well.
>
For me the background music is all wrong. Far too much of that string
keyboard stuff. They paid a great deal of attention to the background noises
previously which is one of the reasons it sounded so good.
Also they cut too much. The narrator could have done some of the
narrating-the-book bits instead of chopping them or having Arthur act
stupid. What about that bit with Arthur eating the other bloke's biscuits ?
Classic Adams humour !
I think these are really difficult to translate to radio as they have less
dialogue and less guide entries. They were written in a style more typical
of novels than the previous books. For me the work needs more animation and
that could be done with the background SFX as much as anything.
It's nice to listen to these, but they aren't the quality of the old series
and don't have the humour, style or intrigue.
Steve M
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| Re: Quandary Phase - Is it just me, or... [message #38724 ] |
Do, 19 Mai 2005 01:38 |
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Steve Marshall wrote:
> <frantic [at] notme.com> wrote
>
>
>>Is it just me, or does the material of the book SLATFATF just not lend
>>itself to being adapted into the format of the Radio HHGTTG?
>>
>>Perhaps its because they've tried to compress the whole story into 4
>>episodes, but it just doesn't seem to 'work' very well.
>>
>
>
> For me the background music is all wrong. Far too much of that string
> keyboard stuff. They paid a great deal of attention to the background noises
> previously which is one of the reasons it sounded so good.
> Also they cut too much. The narrator could have done some of the
> narrating-the-book bits instead of chopping them or having Arthur act
> stupid. What about that bit with Arthur eating the other bloke's biscuits ?
> Classic Adams humour !
I always thought that was Dirk Gently?!?!
Am I confused?
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| Re: Quandary Phase - Is it just me, or... [message #38725 ] |
Do, 19 Mai 2005 01:59 |
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"Fat Sam" <janetandsam [at] beeteeinternet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f220fF5jhc1U1 [at] individual.net...
> Steve Marshall wrote:
>
>> What about that bit with Arthur eating the other bloke's biscuits ?
>> Classic Adams humour !
>
> I always thought that was Dirk Gently?!?!
>
> Am I confused?
>
Well, yes, you are, but we won't go into that. The biscuits thing is a
story Arthur tells Fenchurch to prove how weird his life is when he's first
met her.
Chiggy.
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| Re: Quandary Phase - Is it just me, or... [message #38726 ] |
Do, 19 Mai 2005 02:14 |
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Dave Adalian wrote:
> "Fat Sam" <janetandsam [at] beeteeinternet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3f220fF5jhc1U1 [at] individual.net...
>
>>Steve Marshall wrote:
>>
>>
>>>What about that bit with Arthur eating the other bloke's biscuits ?
>>>Classic Adams humour !
>>
>>I always thought that was Dirk Gently?!?!
>>
>>Am I confused?
>>
>
>
> Well, yes, you are, but we won't go into that. The biscuits thing is a
> story Arthur tells Fenchurch to prove how weird his life is when he's first
> met her.
Aaaaah, of course it is.....LOL....Sorry....
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| Re: Quandary Phase - Is it just me, or... [message #38727 ] |
Do, 19 Mai 2005 02:29 |
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Fat Sam <janetandsam [at] beeteeinternet.co.uk> wrote in
news:3f220fF5jhc1U1 [at] individual.net:
> Steve Marshall wrote:
>> <frantic [at] notme.com> wrote
>>
>>
>>>Is it just me, or does the material of the book SLATFATF just not
>>>lend itself to being adapted into the format of the Radio HHGTTG?
>>>
>>>Perhaps its because they've tried to compress the whole story
>>>into 4 episodes, but it just doesn't seem to 'work' very well.
>>>
>>
>>
>> For me the background music is all wrong. Far too much of that
>> string keyboard stuff. They paid a great deal of attention to the
>> background noises previously which is one of the reasons it
>> sounded so good. Also they cut too much. The narrator could have
>> done some of the narrating-the-book bits instead of chopping them
>> or having Arthur act stupid. What about that bit with Arthur
>> eating the other bloke's biscuits ? Classic Adams humour !
>
> I always thought that was Dirk Gently?!?!
>
> Am I confused?
>
As I remember it, it's something Arthur relates to Fenchurch. Possibly
in the park. I can't remember when because I keep imagining it's while
waiting for her train, but that's probably only because both the story
and that scene involve sitting in similar establishments.
peter
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| Re: Quandary Phase - Is it just me, or... [message #38732 ] |
Do, 19 Mai 2005 08:16 |
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"Fat Sam" <janetandsam [at] beeteeinternet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f14skF5eahiU1 [at] individual.net...
> Hmmmm....Now there's a challenge....Edit out the background music while
> leaving the vocals intact and replace with a different piece of
> music....Might be possible, depending how much overlaying of tracks tehre
> is....A job for the weekend methinks...
--
"Perhaps you can do what I can do," he said, and walked straight out of her
upstairs front door.
The record got to the good bit.
--
For me that was one of the best parts of the book.
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| Re: Quandary Phase - Is it just me, or... [message #39939 ] |
Do, 19 Mai 2005 23:48 |
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"Peter.QLD" <a [at] b.c> wrote
> >
> As I remember it, it's something Arthur relates to Fenchurch. Possibly
> in the park. I can't remember when because I keep imagining it's while
> waiting for her train, but that's probably only because both the story
> and that scene involve sitting in similar establishments.
Hitchhiker's is full of such funny stories - little gems ! I think it has
already been shown that it doesn't matter what order they come in ;o)
Steve M
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| Re: Quandary Phase - Is it just me, or... [message #44566 ] |
Fr, 20 Mai 2005 12:14 |
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"Steve Marshall" <sdm [at] atmosBlockA.plus.com> wrote in news:428bac81$0$26106
$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net:
> What about that bit with Arthur eating the other bloke's biscuits ?
> Classic Adams humour !
You'll be pleased to know that the biscuits story is on the CD.
--
iain
afda [at] imb.clara.net http://www.zootle.net/afda/
"how can you say that iain is a furyy fpevcg?!" - kristen
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| Re: Quandary Phase - Is it just me, or... [message #44577 ] |
Fr, 20 Mai 2005 18:46 |
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"iain" <afda [at] imb.clara.net> wrote in message
news:Xns965C724618E3D3DF4614 [at] 217.158.240.10...
> "Steve Marshall" <sdm [at] atmosBlockA.plus.com> wrote in news:428bac81$0$26106
> $ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net:
>
>> What about that bit with Arthur eating the other bloke's biscuits ?
>> Classic Adams humour !
>
> You'll be pleased to know that the biscuits story is on the CD.
It happened to DNA in 1976, according to Salmon of Doubt.
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| Re: Quandary Phase - Is it just me, or... [message #49021 ] |
Fr, 27 Mai 2005 09:50 |
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"Fat Sam" <janetandsam [at] beeteeinternet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f16nfF5ekpvU1 [at] individual.net...
> iain wrote:
>> Fat Sam <janetandsam [at] beeteeinternet.co.uk> wrote in news:3f14skF5eahiU1
>> [at] individual.net:
>>
>>
>>>Rasmus Bøg Hansen wrote:
>>>
>>>>Sure - still Fat Sam just had to mix it together afterwards like with
>>>>the Marving-humming-Pink-Floyd bit :-)
>>>>
>>>>/Rasmus
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hmmmm....Now there's a challenge....Edit out the background music while
>>>leaving the vocals in-tact and replace with a different piece of
>>>music....Might be possible, depending how much overlaying of tracks tehre
>>>is....A job for the weekend methinks...
>>
>>
>> Or possibly, get the 5.1 surround sound mix, and hope that the dialogue
>> and music are on different channels...
>>
> Ahaaaah...Good idea...
> Out of interest, can I get a show of hands here....How many people would
> like the episode with the correct piece of music inserted....
>
Me shows hands somewhat belatedly but apparently before everyone else if
that makes sense.
Peter.
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