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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » OT - Star Wars Confusing!
| OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #37589] |
Di, 17 Mai 2005 17:44 |
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I like Star Wars very much. Not as much
as Trek, but still consider myself a fan.
As a matter of fact, I have all on DVD
including the Clone Wars, which I
watched last night for the first time.
Confusing!
I had forgotten how confused I was
after seeing Attack of the Clones in who
was who and who turned into who later
in the earlier movies. Anyway, I was
hoping someone here knew of a website
that offers a short, sweet, synopsis of
the whole Star Wars Story from start
to finish.
Oh! Is there anyone who isn't going to
see Episode III?
Thank you!
Numan
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #37591 ] |
Di, 17 Mai 2005 17:53 |
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Numan wrote:
> Oh! Is there anyone who isn't going to
> see Episode III?
I'm not. Didn't see Episode II either.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #37593 ] |
Di, 17 Mai 2005 17:54 |
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"Numan" <tbrdmann [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Kjoie.439$VB6.227 [at] newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
> I had forgotten how confused I was
> after seeing Attack of the Clones in who
> was who and who turned into who later
> in the earlier movies. Anyway, I was
> hoping someone here knew of a website
> that offers a short, sweet, synopsis of
> the whole Star Wars Story from start
> to finish.
>
> Oh! Is there anyone who isn't going to
> see Episode III?
Yes, of course I will be. But I really hope that III is of better quality
than I and II. Frankly, I (especially) and II were letdowns - too much SFX,
not enough plot / story. I pretty much puts you to sleep, II - as you say -
bounces around too much and really does not allow the viewer to feel any
pathos towards the characters. If III is not of good story quality I think
Lucas will have a lot of explaining to do (I am sure visually it will be a
tour de force)
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #37596 ] |
Di, 17 Mai 2005 18:07 |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:isoie.58777$a9.31437 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Numan wrote:
>
> > Oh! Is there anyone who isn't going to
> > see Episode III?
>
> I'm not. Didn't see Episode II either.
Ewan McGregor's performance as a young Obi Wan was the outstanding part in
episode 2, IMHO.
For what it's worth, I saw a bit of Ebert and Roper (movie reviewer guys)
who commented Revenge of the Sith is the best one since The Empire Strikes
Back. We'll see I guess.
--
Qa'pla
Kweeg
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #37599 ] |
Di, 17 Mai 2005 18:24 |
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Kweeg wrote:
> "Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
> news:isoie.58777$a9.31437 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
>>Numan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Oh! Is there anyone who isn't going to
>>>see Episode III?
>>
>>I'm not. Didn't see Episode II either.
>
>
> Ewan McGregor's performance as a young Obi Wan was the outstanding part in
> episode 2, IMHO.
> For what it's worth, I saw a bit of Ebert and Roper (movie reviewer guys)
> who commented Revenge of the Sith is the best one since The Empire Strikes
> Back. We'll see I guess.
See, that puts me off because I didn't like Empire Strikes Back
much. I liked Return of the Jedi *much* more. Yes, I know this
is the SW equivalent of thinking Season 2 of Enterprise is the
best Trek ever and DS9 is crap, but I like what I like. The
whole "I am your father" thing fell a bit flat with me; I didn't
see it coming or anything, but it was like "oh, Vader is
Luke's dad. Okay." I was WAY more surprised that Leia was his
sister. And ESB had horribly impractical walking troop carriers
and giant worms living in asteroids, Luke surviving a fall of
several thousand feet... puh-leeze.
Anyway, I saw Episode 1 and it turned me off of the whole SW
thing altogether. As Scotty said, Fool me once...
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #37616 ] |
Di, 17 Mai 2005 23:09 |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:isoie.58777$a9.31437 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Numan wrote:
>
>> Oh! Is there anyone who isn't going to
>> see Episode III?
>
> I'm not. Didn't see Episode II either.
>
> --
> Graham Kennedy
I guess you really don't even have to
because everyone fills the story in
for you after they go see it. So, what
if everyone comes back and tells
you it was the best one out of all of
them? Still a no go for ya? :-)
Any ideas on websites that have a
BRIEF history without people's opinions
thrown in? Just the facts. I could do
a search but will wind up with ads
and opinions galore.
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #37617 ] |
Di, 17 Mai 2005 23:12 |
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"Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:WEoie.1388667$8l.664236 [at] pd7tw1no...
> "Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
> news:isoie.58777$a9.31437 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Numan wrote:
>>
>> > Oh! Is there anyone who isn't going to
>> > see Episode III?
>>
>> I'm not. Didn't see Episode II either.
>
> Ewan McGregor's performance as a young Obi Wan was the outstanding part in
> episode 2, IMHO.
> For what it's worth, I saw a bit of Ebert and Roper (movie reviewer guys)
> who commented Revenge of the Sith is the best one since The Empire Strikes
> Back. We'll see I guess.
>
> --
>
> Qa'pla
> Kweeg
I would agree with him being Obi Wan but think they
could have found a better Anakin. The guy is a good
actor but comes off as a wet blanket in Ep. 2. Now
he may come out with guns a blazin' - kicking ass and
taking names in the next one. We can hope.
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #37618 ] |
Di, 17 Mai 2005 23:13 |
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"Snake" <fluidNOstatesSPAM_REMOVECAPSTOREPLY [at] mindspring.com> wrote in
message news:ftoie.4270$Y36.3435 [at] trndny05...
> "Numan" <tbrdmann [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:Kjoie.439$VB6.227 [at] newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
>> I had forgotten how confused I was
>> after seeing Attack of the Clones in who
>> was who and who turned into who later
>> in the earlier movies. Anyway, I was
>> hoping someone here knew of a website
>> that offers a short, sweet, synopsis of
>> the whole Star Wars Story from start
>> to finish.
>>
>> Oh! Is there anyone who isn't going to
>> see Episode III?
>
> Yes, of course I will be. But I really hope that III is of better quality
> than I and II. Frankly, I (especially) and II were letdowns - too much
> SFX,
> not enough plot / story. I pretty much puts you to sleep, II - as you
> say -
> bounces around too much and really does not allow the viewer to feel any
> pathos towards the characters. If III is not of good story quality I
> think
> Lucas will have a lot of explaining to do (I am sure visually it will be a
> tour de force)
Everything I have heard so far has been positive on this one.
I just wish we had a digital screen close to St. Louis!
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #37621 ] |
Di, 17 Mai 2005 23:41 |
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Numan wrote:
> "Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
> news:isoie.58777$a9.31437 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
>>Numan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Oh! Is there anyone who isn't going to
>>>see Episode III?
>>
>>I'm not. Didn't see Episode II either.
>>
>>--
>>Graham Kennedy
>
>
> I guess you really don't even have to
> because everyone fills the story in
> for you after they go see it. So, what
> if everyone comes back and tells
> you it was the best one out of all of
> them? Still a no go for ya? :-)
Actually I don't really know anybody who likes
Star Wars - or the few who do know that it's not
something I'm into and so don't bring it up. I
still have only the vaguest idea what Episode II
was about.
> Any ideas on websites that have a
> BRIEF history without people's opinions
> thrown in? Just the facts. I could do
> a search but will wind up with ads
> and opinions galore.
Couldn't help with that I'm afraid.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #37622 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 00:30 |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:hytie.11931$2k2.10334 [at] fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Numan wrote:
>
> > "Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
> > news:isoie.58777$a9.31437 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >
> >>Numan wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Oh! Is there anyone who isn't going to
> >>>see Episode III?
> >>
> >>I'm not. Didn't see Episode II either.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Graham Kennedy
> >
> >
> > I guess you really don't even have to
> > because everyone fills the story in
> > for you after they go see it. So, what
> > if everyone comes back and tells
> > you it was the best one out of all of
> > them? Still a no go for ya? :-)
>
> Actually I don't really know anybody who likes
> Star Wars - or the few who do know that it's not
> something I'm into and so don't bring it up. I
> still have only the vaguest idea what Episode II
> was about.
>
About 2 hours too long ;o)
Ian
--
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With shagging in it.
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #37623 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 01:02 |
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 16:24:23 GMT, Graham Kennedy <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote:
>See, that puts me off because I didn't like Empire Strikes Back
>much. I liked Return of the Jedi *much* more. Yes, I know this
>is the SW equivalent of thinking Season 2 of Enterprise is the
>best Trek ever
I agree completely. The only part of .. Jedi I didn't like was Anakin's
final redemption. Otherwise, it is a solid 8 out of 10.
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #37624 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 01:30 |
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"George Peatty" <pttyg47-1230 [at] copper.net> wrote in message
news:1ptk8119o3oes7rr9v6gn5c1e5f0bvca2o [at] 4ax.com...
> On Tue, 17 May 2005 16:24:23 GMT, Graham Kennedy <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote:
>
>>See, that puts me off because I didn't like Empire Strikes Back
>>much. I liked Return of the Jedi *much* more. Yes, I know this
>>is the SW equivalent of thinking Season 2 of Enterprise is the
>>best Trek ever
>
> I agree completely. The only part of .. Jedi I didn't like was Anakin's
> final redemption. Otherwise, it is a solid 8 out of 10.
I was bothered by the idea that you defeat the enemy by being nice. It
doesn't work that way in real life.
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #37626 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 01:36 |
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"Michael Rhino" <news2005 [at] alexanderpics.com> wrote in message
news:y8vie.15462$887.9216 [at] tornado.socal.rr.com...
> "George Peatty" <pttyg47-1230 [at] copper.net> wrote in message
> news:1ptk8119o3oes7rr9v6gn5c1e5f0bvca2o [at] 4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 17 May 2005 16:24:23 GMT, Graham Kennedy <graham [at] ditl.org>
wrote:
> >
> >>See, that puts me off because I didn't like Empire Strikes Back
> >>much. I liked Return of the Jedi *much* more. Yes, I know this
> >>is the SW equivalent of thinking Season 2 of Enterprise is the
> >>best Trek ever
> >
> > I agree completely. The only part of .. Jedi I didn't like was Anakin's
> > final redemption. Otherwise, it is a solid 8 out of 10.
>
> I was bothered by the idea that you defeat the enemy by being nice. It
> doesn't work that way in real life.
Does hacking your enemy with a lightsaber work in real life?
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #37627 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 01:38 |
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"George Peatty" <pttyg47-1230 [at] copper.net> wrote in message
news:1ptk8119o3oes7rr9v6gn5c1e5f0bvca2o [at] 4ax.com...
> On Tue, 17 May 2005 16:24:23 GMT, Graham Kennedy <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote:
>
>>See, that puts me off because I didn't like Empire Strikes Back
>>much. I liked Return of the Jedi *much* more. Yes, I know this
>>is the SW equivalent of thinking Season 2 of Enterprise is the
>>best Trek ever
>
> I agree completely. The only part of .. Jedi I didn't like was Anakin's
> final redemption. Otherwise, it is a solid 8 out of 10.
Agree also. "Empire" was so darkly mooded sometimes it just wasn't
enjoyable. "Return" was, for me, simply more entertaining to watch and a
better film for it IMHO.
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #37629 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 01:42 |
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"Numan" <tbrdmann [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:a7tie.1107$5Z1.744 [at] newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:WEoie.1388667$8l.664236 [at] pd7tw1no...
> > "Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
> > news:isoie.58777$a9.31437 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >> Numan wrote:
> >>
> >> > Oh! Is there anyone who isn't going to
> >> > see Episode III?
> >>
> >> I'm not. Didn't see Episode II either.
> >
> > Ewan McGregor's performance as a young Obi Wan was the outstanding part
in
> > episode 2, IMHO.
> > For what it's worth, I saw a bit of Ebert and Roper (movie reviewer
guys)
> > who commented Revenge of the Sith is the best one since The Empire
Strikes
> > Back. We'll see I guess.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Qa'pla
> > Kweeg
>
> I would agree with him being Obi Wan but think they
> could have found a better Anakin. The guy is a good
> actor but comes off as a wet blanket in Ep. 2. Now
> he may come out with guns a blazin' - kicking ass and
> taking names in the next one. We can hope.
Concur. Hence his nickname, Mannequin Skywalker. Hell the kid in the first
one was a better actor. The other neat thing in Ep 2 was Yoda kickin' ass.
--
Qa'pla
Kweeg
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #37630 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 01:51 |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:XUoie.58779$a9.38211 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Kweeg wrote:
>
> > "Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
> > news:isoie.58777$a9.31437 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >
> >>Numan wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Oh! Is there anyone who isn't going to
> >>>see Episode III?
> >>
> >>I'm not. Didn't see Episode II either.
> >
> >
> > Ewan McGregor's performance as a young Obi Wan was the outstanding part
in
> > episode 2, IMHO.
> > For what it's worth, I saw a bit of Ebert and Roper (movie reviewer
guys)
> > who commented Revenge of the Sith is the best one since The Empire
Strikes
> > Back. We'll see I guess.
>
> See, that puts me off because I didn't like Empire Strikes Back
> much. I liked Return of the Jedi *much* more. Yes, I know this
> is the SW equivalent of thinking Season 2 of Enterprise is the
> best Trek ever and DS9 is crap, but I like what I like. The
> whole "I am your father" thing fell a bit flat with me; I didn't
> see it coming or anything, but it was like "oh, Vader is
> Luke's dad. Okay." I was WAY more surprised that Leia was his
> sister. And ESB had horribly impractical walking troop carriers
> and giant worms living in asteroids, Luke surviving a fall of
> several thousand feet... puh-leeze.
>
> Anyway, I saw Episode 1 and it turned me off of the whole SW
> thing altogether. As Scotty said, Fool me once...
Indeed.
Well if this one is critically acclaimed (and we know what professional
critics are like)
as being as good as the original sequel (ESB) it might boad well for it.
(ESB now that's a good beer too!) Phantom Menace was right down there with
Nemesis (Nemesis is movie forbidden) with the suck factor.
The thing that bothered me the most about ROTJ was then damn "short with no
tails but live in trees" Ewoks.
--
Qa'pla
Kweeg
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #37636 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 04:37 |
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 15:44:42 GMT, "Numan" <tbrdmann [at] sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>Oh! Is there anyone who isn't going to
>see Episode III?
Not many that I know of but most that I know who aren't going to watch
are those that feel cheated from cheap looking Episode 1 (child star
and Jar Jar) or shitty episode 2 (wooden acting, nuff said).
I'm going to watch episode 3 this Thursday (not the midnight opening,
it's too crowded for my taste) as the movie shows promise. If this
movie stinks as badly as the last one, I'm not going to rest until I
get Hayden Christensen and George Lucas' full address and post them on
every single gay sites I can find.
--
When you hear the toilet flush, and hear the words "uh oh", it's already
too late. - by anonymous Mother in Austin, TX
To reply, replace digi.mon with phreaker.net
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #37642 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 08:13 |
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Numan wrote:
> I like Star Wars very much. Not as much
> as Trek, but still consider myself a fan.
> As a matter of fact, I have all on DVD
> including the Clone Wars, which I
> watched last night for the first time.
> Confusing!
>
Why?
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #38396 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 16:39 |
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Jaxtraw wrote:
> "Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
> news:hytie.11931$2k2.10334 [at] fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
>>Numan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
>>>news:isoie.58777$a9.31437 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Numan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Oh! Is there anyone who isn't going to
>>>>>see Episode III?
>>>>
>>>>I'm not. Didn't see Episode II either.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Graham Kennedy
>>>
>>>
>>>I guess you really don't even have to
>>>because everyone fills the story in
>>>for you after they go see it. So, what
>>>if everyone comes back and tells
>>>you it was the best one out of all of
>>>them? Still a no go for ya? :-)
>>
>>Actually I don't really know anybody who likes
>>Star Wars - or the few who do know that it's not
>>something I'm into and so don't bring it up. I
>>still have only the vaguest idea what Episode II
>>was about.
>>
>
>
> About 2 hours too long ;o)
Sounds like TMP!
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #38401 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 18:06 |
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> I had forgotten how confused I was
> after seeing Attack of the Clones in who
> was who and who turned into who later
> in the earlier movies. Anyway, I was
> hoping someone here knew of a website
> that offers a short, sweet, synopsis of
> the whole Star Wars Story from start
> to finish.
Actually just stmbled across this site...it has a few spoilers, actually
more like hints, but will give you a short description of the main
characters
http://msnbc.com/modules/starwars/map/
--
Eric Nichols
Psalm 138:8
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #38414 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 23:44 |
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"Snake" <fluidstates_NO+SPAM [at] REMOVE-ME.verizon.IHATESPAM.SPAM_VAC.com> wrote
in message news:Ifvie.3829$mv5.1364 [at] trndny07...
> "George Peatty" <pttyg47-1230 [at] copper.net> wrote in message
> news:1ptk8119o3oes7rr9v6gn5c1e5f0bvca2o [at] 4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 17 May 2005 16:24:23 GMT, Graham Kennedy <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote:
>>
>>>See, that puts me off because I didn't like Empire Strikes Back
>>>much. I liked Return of the Jedi *much* more. Yes, I know this
>>>is the SW equivalent of thinking Season 2 of Enterprise is the
>>>best Trek ever
>>
>> I agree completely. The only part of .. Jedi I didn't like was Anakin's
>> final redemption. Otherwise, it is a solid 8 out of 10.
>
> Agree also. "Empire" was so darkly mooded sometimes it just wasn't
> enjoyable. "Return" was, for me, simply more entertaining to watch and a
> better film for it IMHO.
Yes, exactly like Nemesis was dark and hardly enjoyable. It would be so
much better to visit some new, uncharted area of space and see fantastic,
visually stunning things in a Trek movie.
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #38415 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 23:46 |
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"Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:ljvie.1395331$6l.440519 [at] pd7tw2no...
> "Numan" <tbrdmann [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:a7tie.1107$5Z1.744 [at] newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>> "Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:WEoie.1388667$8l.664236 [at] pd7tw1no...
>> > "Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
>> > news:isoie.58777$a9.31437 [at] fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> >> Numan wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Oh! Is there anyone who isn't going to
>> >> > see Episode III?
>> >>
>> >> I'm not. Didn't see Episode II either.
>> >
>> > Ewan McGregor's performance as a young Obi Wan was the outstanding part
> in
>> > episode 2, IMHO.
>> > For what it's worth, I saw a bit of Ebert and Roper (movie reviewer
> guys)
>> > who commented Revenge of the Sith is the best one since The Empire
> Strikes
>> > Back. We'll see I guess.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Qa'pla
>> > Kweeg
>>
>> I would agree with him being Obi Wan but think they
>> could have found a better Anakin. The guy is a good
>> actor but comes off as a wet blanket in Ep. 2. Now
>> he may come out with guns a blazin' - kicking ass and
>> taking names in the next one. We can hope.
>
> Concur. Hence his nickname, Mannequin Skywalker. Hell the kid in the first
> one was a better actor. The other neat thing in Ep 2 was Yoda kickin' ass.
>
> --
>
> Qa'pla
> Kweeg
Heck ya! I felt like a ten year old when I saw that. Awesome.
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #38416 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 23:49 |
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"Eric Nichols" <sugarbearnichols [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:NJJie.1307$wb2.757 [at] newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
>> I had forgotten how confused I was
>> after seeing Attack of the Clones in who
>> was who and who turned into who later
>> in the earlier movies. Anyway, I was
>> hoping someone here knew of a website
>> that offers a short, sweet, synopsis of
>> the whole Star Wars Story from start
>> to finish.
>
> Actually just stmbled across this site...it has a few spoilers, actually
> more like hints, but will give you a short description of the main
> characters
> http://msnbc.com/modules/starwars/map/
>
> --
> Eric Nichols
Cool, thank you.
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #38417 ] |
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"David B" <bothecat3 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Numan wrote:
>
>> I like Star Wars very much. Not as much
>> as Trek, but still consider myself a fan.
>> As a matter of fact, I have all on DVD
>> including the Clone Wars, which I
>> watched last night for the first time.
>> Confusing!
>>
>
> Why?
Why do I have the movies? Why am I confused? Or why
do I have the movies even though I am confused?
I guess I have to say, "Pure entertainment and so much
going on." I will watch Episode II and the Clone Wars
one more time before going to see Episode III just so
that I can be clear on what is going on.
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #38418 ] |
Do, 19 Mai 2005 00:34 |
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"Numan" <tbrdmann [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> I like Star Wars very much. Not as much
> as Trek, but still consider myself a fan.
> As a matter of fact, I have all on DVD
> including the Clone Wars, which I
> watched last night for the first time.
> Confusing!
>
> I had forgotten how confused I was
> after seeing Attack of the Clones in who
> was who and who turned into who later
> in the earlier movies. Anyway, I was
> hoping someone here knew of a website
> that offers a short, sweet, synopsis of
> the whole Star Wars Story from start
> to finish.
>
> Oh! Is there anyone who isn't going to
> see Episode III?
>
> Thank you!
> Numan
This header makes thread me laugh, it's like something Ralph Wiggam would
say,
"Mrs. Krabopal, Star Wars is confusing.... I bit the head off my
wookie....."
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Kweeg
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #38419 ] |
Do, 19 Mai 2005 00:57 |
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"Numan" <tbrdmann [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Snake" <fluidstates_NO+SPAM [at] REMOVE-ME.verizon.IHATESPAM.SPAM_VAC.com>
wrote
> in message news:Ifvie.3829$mv5.1364 [at] trndny07...
> > "George Peatty" <pttyg47-1230 [at] copper.net> wrote in message
> > news:1ptk8119o3oes7rr9v6gn5c1e5f0bvca2o [at] 4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 17 May 2005 16:24:23 GMT, Graham Kennedy <graham [at] ditl.org>
wrote:
> >>
> >>>See, that puts me off because I didn't like Empire Strikes Back
> >>>much. I liked Return of the Jedi *much* more. Yes, I know this
> >>>is the SW equivalent of thinking Season 2 of Enterprise is the
> >>>best Trek ever
> >>
> >> I agree completely. The only part of .. Jedi I didn't like was
Anakin's
> >> final redemption. Otherwise, it is a solid 8 out of 10.
> >
> > Agree also. "Empire" was so darkly mooded sometimes it just wasn't
> > enjoyable. "Return" was, for me, simply more entertaining to watch and
a
> > better film for it IMHO.
>
> Yes, exactly like Nemesis was dark and hardly enjoyable. It would be so
> much better to visit some new, uncharted area of space and see fantastic,
> visually stunning things in a Trek movie.
>
>
Nemesis failed because genre movies only work when the hero is facing their
nemesis, a villain with a rich back story, the vanquishing of whom by the
hero is a personal matter. Making a Batman movie? Gotta get the Joker.
Spiderman? Gotta be the Green Goblin. TNG...?
Well sadly, they vanquished their nemesis (the Borg) two movies back and
sheesh, we is all outta villains. Trying to create a nemesis in the space of
a movie, as they tried rather obviously with Nemesis, doesn't work. The
audience don't know who this bald guy is when they walk in, they don't have
time to start caring who he is before the movie's end.
The only other way to do it is what they did with TWOK. They *told* everyone
beforehand that this Khan geezer was Kirk's arch enemy and, in those halcyon
days before people had a wall full of VHS tapes of TOS, we believed the
hype, because most of us had only seen Space Seed once or twice and had no
way to watch it again, and realise that Khan was actually just an average
Villain Of The Week kinda guy. Brilliant marketing, can't do that again, we
all know too much these days.
There aren't any mythic villains left. Picard faced down the Borg, Kirk
faced down the Klingons (who only stepped up to the arch-enemy stump during
ST3, when they killed his son anyway- in fact he had no arch-enemies during
TOS, period) and all that's left are the Romulans really, who are baddies
but nobody's nemesis when you come down to it.
And *that's* why there's no hope of another good Trek movie. We've seen the
Joker and the Penguin, all that's left now are the B-List baddies like Mr.
Freeze.
Ian
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #38426 ] |
Do, 19 Mai 2005 03:51 |
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"Jaxtraw" <jaxtraw [at] nospamnobigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> Nemesis failed because genre movies only work when the hero is facing
> their
> nemesis, a villain with a rich back story, the vanquishing of whom by the
> hero is a personal matter. Making a Batman movie? Gotta get the Joker.
> Spiderman? Gotta be the Green Goblin. TNG...?
>
> Well sadly, they vanquished their nemesis (the Borg) two movies back and
> sheesh, we is all outta villains. Trying to create a nemesis in the space
> of
> a movie, as they tried rather obviously with Nemesis, doesn't work. The
> audience don't know who this bald guy is when they walk in, they don't
> have
> time to start caring who he is before the movie's end.
>
> The only other way to do it is what they did with TWOK. They *told*
> everyone
> beforehand that this Khan geezer was Kirk's arch enemy and, in those
> halcyon
> days before people had a wall full of VHS tapes of TOS, we believed the
> hype, because most of us had only seen Space Seed once or twice and had no
> way to watch it again, and realise that Khan was actually just an average
> Villain Of The Week kinda guy. Brilliant marketing, can't do that again,
> we
> all know too much these days.
(snip)
Excellent points. I really did not concern myself with Shinzon because he
did not seem a threat. Why? (a) I knew nothing about him, (b) he did
nothing (until the very end of the movie) to make me suspect otherwise.
They waited until to very end of the movie to make him look menacing and by
then it was simply too late - you were in "Who cares" territory as a viewer.
TWOK worked, even for non-fans, because they /show/ Khan as a threat, *right
off the bat*. Evilly takes control of Chekov and Terrell. Kills off the
crew of Regula I. Before he even *arrives* at Kirk the plot has already
shown him to be a lethal threat to anyone and anything in his way, and now
Kirk is dead center. Anyone, even a non-fan, could understand that.
Simple, excellent movie writing.
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #38428 ] |
Do, 19 Mai 2005 05:27 |
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 23:57:27 +0100, "Jaxtraw"
<jaxtraw [at] nospamnobigfoot.com> wrote:
>And *that's* why there's no hope of another good Trek movie. We've seen the
>Joker and the Penguin, all that's left now are the B-List baddies like Mr.
>Freeze.
I believe Voyager has stirred a few enemies in the Delta Quadrant. But
I don't see some of them like the Hirogen or the species 8472 coming
over just to wipe out Federation.
And there's still the Dominion in Gamma but I doubt we'd see them
invading Alpha anytime soon after they were nearly wiped out in the
end of DS9 series.
I wonder what's going in in the other galaxies... oh yeah and Q is
still somewhere, who knows what he is up to these day.
Should Paramount choose to create a new TV series, they better ban any
time travelling in the series plot. They were overused in the last 2
series anyhow.
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #38436 ] |
Do, 19 Mai 2005 09:56 |
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"Numan" <tbrdmann [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Oh! Is there anyone who isn't going to
> see Episode III?
Just saw it. Really good. Maybe not good enough to forgive myself for
standing in line for three hours, but worth the price of the ticket. It
makes up for the last two. It was hard to believe it was actually directed
by Lucas.
--
Eric Nichols
Psalm 138:8
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #39247 ] |
Do, 19 Mai 2005 13:44 |
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"Impmon" <impmon [at] digi.mon> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 18 May 2005 23:57:27 +0100, "Jaxtraw"
> <jaxtraw [at] nospamnobigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>>And *that's* why there's no hope of another good Trek movie. We've seen
>>the
>>Joker and the Penguin, all that's left now are the B-List baddies like Mr.
>>Freeze.
>
> I believe Voyager has stirred a few enemies in the Delta Quadrant. But
> I don't see some of them like the Hirogen or the species 8472 coming
> over just to wipe out Federation.
>
> And there's still the Dominion in Gamma but I doubt we'd see them
> invading Alpha anytime soon after they were nearly wiped out in the
> end of DS9 series.
>
> I wonder what's going in in the other galaxies... oh yeah and Q is
> still somewhere, who knows what he is up to these day.
>
> Should Paramount choose to create a new TV series, they better ban any
> time travelling in the series plot. They were overused in the last 2
> series anyhow.
> --
> When you hear the toilet flush, and hear the words "uh oh", it's already
> too late. - by anonymous Mother in Austin, TX
> To reply, replace digi.mon with phreaker.net
I agree with your points made here and the points made elsewhere. I was
wondering if anybody would enjoy watching a movie or a two part episode that
involved a major crisis which pulled together the following characters all
on screen at the same time to overcome some seemingly impossible foe. The
Traveler, The Dowd, Q, The Care Taker, The Talosians, The Organians, and the
Explorers [Unfortunately I can't remember the racial name or if one was even
given] from the center of the Milkyway Galaxy that had sent a probe that
injected knowledge into poor Barclay's head that allowed him to recreate the
equipment in the holodeck that transformed the ship's shields into some kind
of graviton wave generator that ended up catapulting the Enterprise D to the
center of the Milkyway Galaxy nearly instantaneously where they encountered
a floating ghostly head that appeared on the bridge and spoke with Picard
about being explorers and seeking to gain knowledge from those encounters.
Maybe the threat is akin to a system wide slaughter of entire races and
these beings are gathering together to stop who or what ever is doing it.
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #39256 ] |
Do, 19 Mai 2005 18:59 |
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Jaxtraw wrote:
>
> Nemesis failed because genre movies only work when the hero is facing their
> nemesis, a villain with a rich back story, the vanquishing of whom by the
> hero is a personal matter. Making a Batman movie? Gotta get the Joker.
> Spiderman? Gotta be the Green Goblin. TNG...?
But the most successful Trek movie ever is ST IV...
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #39258 ] |
Do, 19 Mai 2005 19:24 |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
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> Jaxtraw wrote:
> >
> > Nemesis failed because genre movies only work when the hero is facing
their
> > nemesis, a villain with a rich back story, the vanquishing of whom by
the
> > hero is a personal matter. Making a Batman movie? Gotta get the Joker.
> > Spiderman? Gotta be the Green Goblin. TNG...?
>
> But the most successful Trek movie ever is ST IV...
>
> --
That's because it isn't really a Trek movie. It's a fish out of water comedy
adventure, which happens to have Star Trek characters in it. It's something
you can only do once, and certainly shouldn't be seen as a "how to make a
successful sci-fi/Trek movie". They avoid the problem of having a weak
adversary because there's no adversary at all. Also, no tension nor
excitement.
I contend that my hypothesis applies to all the other Trek movies, and
indeed to anything similar :)
Ian
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #39267 ] |
Do, 19 Mai 2005 23:24 |
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 16:59:07 GMT, Graham Kennedy <graham [at] ditl.org>
wrote:
>But the most successful Trek movie ever is ST IV...
Because we all knew of the nemesis: pirates who illeally hunted whales
more than 300 years before the movie. =) Actually I think the humor
was the main selling point. Like when Scotty tried to talk to a
Macintosh computer.
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #39268 ] |
Do, 19 Mai 2005 23:27 |
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 08:08:25 GMT, "Eric Nichols"
<sugarbearnichols [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>Just saw it. Really good. Maybe not good enough to forgive myself for
>standing in line for three hours, but worth the price of the ticket. It
>makes up for the last two. It was hard to believe it was actually directed
>by Lucas.
3 hours??? was that the midnight showing? I got to a movie theater
in a small city of Lapeer today at 12:40 pm for a ticket to 1:10 show.
The only line I saw was a short 5 minute wait to get popcorn and
drinks. Of course it wasn't the midnight showing, the midnight
showing was sold out in just about every movie theaters and lines
often taking a day or more streches outside the theaters..
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #39269 ] |
Do, 19 Mai 2005 23:43 |
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Impmon wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2005 16:59:07 GMT, Graham Kennedy <graham [at] ditl.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>>But the most successful Trek movie ever is ST IV...
>
>
> Because we all knew of the nemesis: pirates who illeally hunted whales
> more than 300 years before the movie. =) Actually I think the humor
> was the main selling point. Like when Scotty tried to talk to a
> Macintosh computer.
Indeed.
If I had £600 million spare, I'd make a trilogy in which
the Klingons and Federation finally go to war. A real
knock-down shoot-em-up fight to the finish.
Movie 1 would show the peace between the two breaking down
and tensions rising, culminating in a surprise attack
type of deal where the Klingon fleet attacked DS9 - think
Way of the Warrior meets Pearl Harbour (the event, not the
horrible movie).
Movie 2 would be set one to two years later; the war would
be going badly for the Federation, with the Klingons in a
position to threated some strategic point - Vulcan maybe.
It would focus on the Enterprise-E leading the defending
force in an attempt to turn the tide of battle. Think
"Das Boot" meets "The Battle of Midway".
Movie 3 would be a year or two later and would focus on
Starfleet's move into Klingon territory and the invasion
of the Klingon homeworld. Think "The Longest Day".
I'd make Worf a major character, with divided loyalties
at the very least and possibly even have him going over
to the Klingon side for a while - imagine the character
stuff you could do with that. And with three films you
would have plenty of time to have cameos or minor roles
for Voyager crew, etc.
Plus there's lots of recognition factor - even now, the
Klingons are known to most non-fans as the bad guys of
Star Trek, and even fans see them as ambiguous.
It'll never happen of course. But my, it would be fun.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #39270 ] |
Fr, 20 Mai 2005 00:40 |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:%L7je.19588$2k2.16082 [at] fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Impmon wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 19 May 2005 16:59:07 GMT, Graham Kennedy <graham [at] ditl.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>But the most successful Trek movie ever is ST IV...
> >
> >
> > Because we all knew of the nemesis: pirates who illeally hunted whales
> > more than 300 years before the movie. =) Actually I think the humor
> > was the main selling point. Like when Scotty tried to talk to a
> > Macintosh computer.
>
> Indeed.
>
>
> If I had £600 million spare, I'd make a trilogy in which
> the Klingons and Federation finally go to war. A real
> knock-down shoot-em-up fight to the finish.
>
> Movie 1 would show the peace between the two breaking down
> and tensions rising, culminating in a surprise attack
> type of deal where the Klingon fleet attacked DS9 - think
> Way of the Warrior meets Pearl Harbour (the event, not the
> horrible movie).
>
> Movie 2 would be set one to two years later; the war would
> be going badly for the Federation, with the Klingons in a
> position to threated some strategic point - Vulcan maybe.
> It would focus on the Enterprise-E leading the defending
> force in an attempt to turn the tide of battle. Think
> "Das Boot" meets "The Battle of Midway".
>
> Movie 3 would be a year or two later and would focus on
> Starfleet's move into Klingon territory and the invasion
> of the Klingon homeworld. Think "The Longest Day".
>
> I'd make Worf a major character, with divided loyalties
> at the very least and possibly even have him going over
> to the Klingon side for a while - imagine the character
> stuff you could do with that. And with three films you
> would have plenty of time to have cameos or minor roles
> for Voyager crew, etc.
>
> Plus there's lots of recognition factor - even now, the
> Klingons are known to most non-fans as the bad guys of
> Star Trek, and even fans see them as ambiguous.
>
> It'll never happen of course. But my, it would be fun.
Okay... you write the pitch, I'll draw up a storyboard, and I'll meet you at
the front gates of Paramount, tuesday. :)
Ian
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #39286 ] |
Fr, 20 Mai 2005 04:16 |
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 16:24:23 GMT, Graham Kennedy <graham [at] ditl.org>
>And ESB had horribly impractical walking troop carriers
>and giant worms living in asteroids, Luke surviving a fall of
>several thousand feet... puh-leeze.
See, that's what happens when you apply Trek logic to Star Wars. It's
not compatible. Star Wars is my personal favorite, but I'm a huge
Trek fan as well (I own every episode in one disc form or another --
all 703). In my view approaching Trek like it's Star Wars or vice
versa is like judging The Godfather as if it's Spiderman.
>Anyway, I saw Episode 1 and it turned me off of the whole SW
>thing altogether. As Scotty said, Fool me once...
Well, AOTC was so much better than TPM it's hard to imagine the same
guy did both. I saw ROTS last night and, IMHO, it's a similar leap
between AOTC and ROTS. If you enjoyed the original trilogy
(especially ROTJ, which you seem to) I'd at least give Revenge a shot.
It feels like Lucas has unleashed himself with the PG13 rating -- I'll
be very interested to see what he does after this (kinda hoping it's
not Indiana Jones).
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #39293 ] |
Fr, 20 Mai 2005 05:22 |
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 23:40:55 +0100, "Jaxtraw"
<jaxtraw [at] nospamnobigfoot.com> wrote:
>> It'll never happen of course. But my, it would be fun.
>
>Okay... you write the pitch, I'll draw up a storyboard, and I'll meet you at
>the front gates of Paramount, tuesday. :)
Not next Tuesday I hope. Next Tuesday there's always something
related to Harry Potter. :) Next Tuesday the next book could come out
or the next movie could come out or we get an announcement that Book 7
is done. :) :)
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #39294 ] |
Fr, 20 Mai 2005 05:30 |
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"The Other John" <spamblock [at] blockit.com> wrote in message
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> It feels like Lucas has unleashed himself with the PG13 rating -- I'll
> be very interested to see what he does after this (kinda hoping it's
> not Indiana Jones).
Why not? Harrison Ford himself said he would never do another Han Solo
role, but would jump at the chance of reprising his Indiana Jones role.
Ford really likes the character, so something's got to be fairly decent.
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| Re: OT - Star Wars Confusing! [message #40448 ] |
Fr, 20 Mai 2005 17:01 |
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Jaxtraw wrote:
> Okay... you write the pitch, I'll draw up a storyboard, and I'll meet you at
> the front gates of Paramount, tuesday. :)
Okay, but let's make sure that Berman is well clear
first. I don't want him anywhere near it!
--
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Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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