| Farscape is the new Trek [message #34565] |
Sa, 14 Mai 2005 12:19 |
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Roddenberry's vision of Star Trek died with Roddenberry.
Berman and Braga produced some good Next Generation episodes,
but even in the last seasons, for every good episode there
was a stupid, cliched, babble-filled time travel/holodeck/etc
episode to make up for it.
Deep Space 9 tried to be something new, that failed. Then
it tried to be Babylon 5, but couldn't. Then it tried to
be Next Generation, but failed. Then it tried to be everything
to everyone with huge story arcs that no one cared about,
and it crashed and burned.
Voyager tried to return to Star Trek 'roots', but B&B's
interpretation of what those roots were, were not what
they actually were. Social context went right out the
window in favor of technology, borg, and Q-based idiocy.
Exploration and fake technology does not a Star Trek make.
And now this new series doesn't even have the Trek name
attached because it's been dirtied so much by B&B's aimless
flailing. A famous actor has been signed for the first time
ever in order to attract attention. The only aspect of
Voyager that worked, tits and ass, has been implemented
in this show in the form of Vulcan baywatch babe t'painful
t'watch. The entire premise seems like an act of desperation.
Farscape, the brilliant show on the Sci-Fi channel that has
been going strong for 3 seasons now (with a 4th forthcoming),
embodies everything that the Star Trek of the 60s, and
Roddenberry's Trek: Next Generation did. Social context has
been firmly established with a fish-out-of-water scenario,
but cliche has been avoided by the show's adherence to one
rule: it remains internally consistent. Characters' motivations
are not centered around artificially advancing the plot, but
rather they are centered around what gains them the most
utility. It is excellently done, the moral dilemmas presented
are far edgier and far more relevant than anything seen on Trek
in the past 6 years, techno-babble is kept to a minimum, and
the cheesy Trek stuff - lame plot devices like the holodeck,
bad action scenes, etc. have been tossed out the window in
favor of solid plotting and modern action.
If Roddenberry came back to life today, I think I know
what he'd be looking forward to, and it would be the 4th
season of Farscape, not ''Enterprise''.
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| Re: Farscape is the new Trek [message #34567 ] |
Sa, 14 Mai 2005 13:01 |
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| Re: Farscape is the new Trek [message #34568 ] |
Sa, 14 Mai 2005 13:03 |
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> Farscape, the brilliant show on the Sci-Fi channel that has
> been going strong for 3 seasons now (with a 4th forthcoming),
> embodies everything that the Star Trek of the 60s, and
> Roddenberry's Trek: Next Generation did. Social context has
> been firmly established with a fish-out-of-water scenario,
> but cliche has been avoided by the show's adherence to one
> rule: it remains internally consistent. Characters' motivations
> are not centered around artificially advancing the plot, but
> rather they are centered around what gains them the most
> utility. It is excellently done, the moral dilemmas presented
> are far edgier and far more relevant than anything seen on Trek
> in the past 6 years, techno-babble is kept to a minimum, and
> the cheesy Trek stuff - lame plot devices like the holodeck,
> bad action scenes, etc. have been tossed out the window in
> favor of solid plotting and modern action.
Um Farscape was cancelled last year
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| Re: Farscape is the new Trek [message #34572 ] |
Sa, 14 Mai 2005 14:05 |
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Welcome to 3 years ago. You been living in a cave?
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| Re: Farscape is the new Trek [message #34574 ] |
Sa, 14 Mai 2005 14:40 |
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Tim Weaver <tmw99999BYTE_ME_SPAMERS [at] gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns965647839750F0Z0thecheeseclub0Z0 [at] comcast.dca.giganews.com:
> Jenny wrote:
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>> Farscape, the brilliant show on the Sci-Fi channel that has
>> been going strong for 3 seasons now (with a 4th forthcoming),
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> Wha?!?
Time loop. Keep an eye out for Jean-Claude Van Damme.
--
"I'm just very selective about the reality I accept" -- Calvin
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| Re: Farscape is the new Trek [message #34590 ] |
Sa, 14 Mai 2005 16:37 |
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In article <Xns9656581568B02xxxxxxxxx [at] 216.196.97.136>, Rick Savoia
<oh [at] mystarsandgarters.com> wrote:
> Tim Weaver <tmw99999BYTE_ME_SPAMERS [at] gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Xns965647839750F0Z0thecheeseclub0Z0 [at] comcast.dca.giganews.com:
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> > Jenny wrote:
> >
> >> Farscape, the brilliant show on the Sci-Fi channel that has
> >> been going strong for 3 seasons now (with a 4th forthcoming),
> >
> > Wha?!?
>
> Time loop. Keep an eye out for Jean-Claude Van Damme.
Or agents.
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| Re: Farscape is the new Trek [message #34592 ] |
Sa, 14 Mai 2005 16:44 |
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"Jenny" <jenny [at] 4dom.com> writes:
>Farscape, the brilliant show on the Sci-Fi channel that has
>been going strong for 3 seasons now (with a 4th forthcoming),
>embodies everything that the Star Trek of the 60s, and
Did this post fall out of a particularly sad and ironic little time warp? *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
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| Re: Farscape is the new Trek [message #34593 ] |
Sa, 14 Mai 2005 16:44 |
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"Rick Savoia" <oh [at] mystarsandgarters.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9656581568B02xxxxxxxxx [at] 216.196.97.136...
> Tim Weaver <tmw99999BYTE_ME_SPAMERS [at] gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Xns965647839750F0Z0thecheeseclub0Z0 [at] comcast.dca.giganews.com:
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> > Jenny wrote:
> >
> >> Farscape, the brilliant show on the Sci-Fi channel that has
> >> been going strong for 3 seasons now (with a 4th forthcoming),
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> > Wha?!?
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> Time loop. Keep an eye out for Jean-Claude Van Damme.
>
Cmdr. Data has started cheating at poker!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Farscape is the new Trek [message #34611 ] |
Sa, 14 Mai 2005 19:01 |
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"kathryn" <nospam [at] here.com> wrote in message
news:d64luf$j76$1 [at] nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
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> Um Farscape was cancelled last year
But Ben Browder and Claudia Black will have starring roles in the next
season of StarGate:SG-1 on SciFi!
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| Re: Farscape is the new Trek [message #34628 ] |
Sa, 14 Mai 2005 21:28 |
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Face it Scapers, nobody gives a fuck about that show.
Its highly touted TV movie bombed and failed to create a buzz - the same
type of buzz that made TNG, X-Files, Buffy, BSG, SG1 hits.
--
--- "Damn dirty fleas..."
--- "Ever notice that at the start of a cartoon, Casper has no friends, and
by the end, he has some. Yet, in the next cartoon, he's friendless again?
Therefore, I think Casper is a soul-sucking-vampire-ghost."
--- Proud loser of TWO 2004 RSPW Poster Awards
--- 3rd Highest Vote-Getter in KORSPW 2005
--- Space (Animal) Hero #1 of the 1950's and 60's
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| Re: Farscape is the new Trek [message #34698 ] |
So, 15 Mai 2005 11:25 |
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> Roddenberry's vision of Star Trek died with Roddenberry.
you dont know shit nerdlinger
>
> Deep Space 9 tried to be something new, that failed. Then
> it tried to be Babylon 5, but couldn't. Then it tried to
> be Next Generation, but failed. Then it tried to be everything
> to everyone with huge story arcs that no one cared about,
> and it crashed and burned.
DS9 is considered by many to be the best TV Trek ever, so where are you
plulling your facts from?
> If Roddenberry came back to life today, I think I know
> what he'd be looking forward to, and it would be the 4th
> season of Farscape, not ''Enterprise''.
nah, i think he would look forward to getting beating the nerd who rags on
him and his creativity.
MrB
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| Re: Farscape is the new Trek [message #34704 ] |
So, 15 Mai 2005 13:31 |
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"SyVyN11" <711robhorine [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:_9qhe.982$M36.689 [at] newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
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> "kathryn" <nospam [at] here.com> wrote in message
> news:d64luf$j76$1 [at] nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
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>> Um Farscape was cancelled last year
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> But Ben Browder and Claudia Black will have starring roles in the next
> season of StarGate:SG-1 on SciFi!
Sci fi actors do seem to pop up in other sci fi shows don't they
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| Re: Farscape is the new Trek [message #34771 ] |
So, 15 Mai 2005 21:44 |
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kathryn wrote:
> "SyVyN11" <711robhorine [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:_9qhe.982$M36.689 [at] newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
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>>"kathryn" <nospam [at] here.com> wrote in message
>>news:d64luf$j76$1 [at] nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
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>>>Um Farscape was cancelled last year
>>
>>But Ben Browder and Claudia Black will have starring roles in the next
>>season of StarGate:SG-1 on SciFi!
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> Sci fi actors do seem to pop up in other sci fi shows don't they
They're not talented enough to be on real shows.
--
Rockboy
Everybody's all right
Everything is automatic
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| Re: Farscape is the new Trek [message #34902 ] |
Di, 17 Mai 2005 00:15 |
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"kathryn" <nospam [at] here.com> wrote in message
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> "SyVyN11" <711robhorine [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:_9qhe.982$M36.689 [at] newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
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>> "kathryn" <nospam [at] here.com> wrote in message
>> news:d64luf$j76$1 [at] nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
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>>> Um Farscape was cancelled last year
>>
>> But Ben Browder and Claudia Black will have starring roles in the next
>> season of StarGate:SG-1 on SciFi!
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> Sci fi actors do seem to pop up in other sci fi shows don't they
>
actually its' the very small pool of talent that lives up there where SG1,
atlantis, smallville, ect are filmed
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