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Fantasy » alt.fan.tolkien » OT: Hitchhiker's guide (Re: Important please read this Thank you)
| OT: Hitchhiker's guide (Re: Important please read this Thank you) [message #30855] |
Mo, 09 Mai 2005 01:00 |
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matjlav45 [at] gmail.com wrote:
> The answer is forty-two.
Speaking of which, I caught _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ last
night and I highly recommend it. As in most book-to-movie instances,
there was some loss of nuance, but apparently Adams had written a good
bit of the screenplay before he died and most of it was right on. I
thought for sure the whale and the bowl of petunias scene wouldn't make
it, but... well, just go see it. Clever graphics as well. (Don't leave
before the credits are done if you go).
--
Bill
"Wise fool"
Gandalf, THE TWO TOWERS
-- The Wise will remove 'se' to reply; the Foolish will not--
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| Re: OT: Hitchhiker's guide (Re: Important please read this Thank you) [message #30859 ] |
Mo, 09 Mai 2005 02:42 |
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On Sun, 08 May 2005 23:00:09 GMT,
Bill O'Meally <OMeallyMD [at] wise.rr.com> wrote:
> matjlav45 [at] gmail.com wrote:
>> The answer is forty-two.
>
> Speaking of which, I caught _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ last
> night and I highly recommend it. As in most book-to-movie instances,
> there was some loss of nuance, but apparently Adams had written a good
> bit of the screenplay before he died and most of it was right on. I
> thought for sure the whale and the bowl of petunias scene wouldn't make
> it, but... well, just go see it. Clever graphics as well. (Don't leave
> before the credits are done if you go).
Heh heh heh. It's high time some other newsgroup had a variant of our movie
struggles. Can't wait to see what happens when the Narnia film comes out.
--
mightymartianca [at] hotmail.com
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| Re: OT: Hitchhiker's guide (Re: Important please read this Thank you) [message #30861 ] |
Mo, 09 Mai 2005 05:59 |
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"AC" wrote:
> [snip]Heh heh heh. It's high time some other newsgroup had a variant of
> our movie
> struggles. Can't wait to see what happens when the Narnia film comes out.
>
how about the film version of James Joyce's Ulysses, featuring Stephen
Rea -- gee, I wonder if they left anything out? Hmmmm...
GRH
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| Re: OT: Hitchhiker's guide (Re: Important please read this Thank you) [message #32158 ] |
Mo, 09 Mai 2005 16:44 |
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> Heh heh heh. It's high time some other newsgroup had a variant of our
movie
> struggles. Can't wait to see what happens when the Narnia film comes out.
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> --
> mightymartianca [at] hotmail.com
How about poor earthsea fans?
Alright it wasn't a film but it did turn a wonderfull s,f&f book into awful
TV
dan
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| Re: OT: Hitchhiker's guide (Re: Important please read this Thank you) [message #32159 ] |
Mo, 09 Mai 2005 17:00 |
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Bill O'Meally wrote:
> matjlav45 [at] gmail.com wrote:
>> The answer is forty-two.
>
> Speaking of which, I caught _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ last
> night and I highly recommend it. As in most book-to-movie instances,
Gah! Philistine. It was NOT a book-to-movie. It was
Radio-to-book-to-TV-to-movie :-)
> there was some loss of nuance, but apparently Adams had written a good
> bit of the screenplay before he died and most of it was right on.
I loved it (and I have heard the radio play, read the books and seen the TV
series). Saw it on Saturday with my wife, who isn't so steeped in the
"lore", and we laughed all the way through it. Halfway, my wife leaned
over and said "what's wrong with these people?" Apparently nobody else saw
the humor.
> I
> thought for sure the whale and the bowl of petunias scene wouldn't make
> it, but... well, just go see it.
It's changed in every incarnation, but it wouldn't be HHGG without the whale
and the petunias. You could as easily remove the number 42 or the phrase
"Don't Panic".
> Clever graphics as well.
I particularly liked Slarti Bardfast's factory.
> (Don't leave before the credits are done if you go).
>
oops :-)
--
derek
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| Re: Hitchhiker's guide (Re: Important please read this Thank you) [message #32165 ] |
Mo, 09 Mai 2005 19:20 |
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"Bill O'Meally" <OMeallyMD [at] wise.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ZRwfe.52453$215.44834 [at] tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> matjlav45 [at] gmail.com wrote:
> > The answer is forty-two.
>
> Speaking of which, I caught _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ last
> night and I highly recommend it. As in most book-to-movie instances,
> there was some loss of nuance, but apparently Adams had written a good
> bit of the screenplay before he died and most of it was right on. I
> thought for sure the whale and the bowl of petunias scene wouldn't make
> it, but... well, just go see it. Clever graphics as well. (Don't leave
> before the credits are done if you go).
>
> --
> Bill
>
> "Wise fool"
> Gandalf, THE TWO TOWERS
> -- The Wise will remove 'se' to reply; the Foolish will not--
>
>
You've raved about the book, caught the BBC radio serial, saw every BBC
episode, lined up for the movie . . . . now . . . . pick up the friggin'
book and READ it ALREADY!!!
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| Re: OT: Hitchhiker's guide (Re: Important please read this Thank you) [message #32196 ] |
Di, 10 Mai 2005 03:26 |
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Derek Broughton wrote:
> Bill O'Meally wrote:
>> Speaking of which, I caught _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ last
>> night and I highly recommend it. As in most book-to-movie instances,
>
> Gah! Philistine. It was NOT a book-to-movie. It was
> Radio-to-book-to-TV-to-movie :-)
Indeed?! I wasn't aware that the radio play came first. Thanks for
making me aware of that.
>
>> there was some loss of nuance, but apparently Adams had written a
>> good bit of the screenplay before he died and most of it was right
>> on.
>
> I loved it (and I have heard the radio play, read the books and seen
> the TV series). Saw it on Saturday with my wife, who isn't so
> steeped in the "lore", and we laughed all the way through it.
> Halfway, my wife leaned over and said "what's wrong with these
> people?" Apparently nobody else saw the humor.
After failing to get my wife to read *any* Tolkien, after trying to read
HHGG (thanks for the abbreviation :-)) to her and looking over to see
her sound asleep before I finished the first page, I sheepishly looked
over to her after the movie was over and said, "well, what did you
think?"(1). To my suprise and great delight, she said, "that was
BRILLIANT!". As a voice teacher, she is now eager to obtain the music
for "So Long and Thanks for All the Fish", exclaiming that it would make
a great closing number for one of her student recitals.
<snip>
>> (Don't leave before the credits are done if you go).
>>
> oops :-)
I guess you'll just have to go see it again!!
(1) proving that Tolkien doesn't have the monopoly on run-on sentences.
:-)
--
Bill
"Wise fool"
Gandalf, THE TWO TOWERS
-- The Wise will remove 'se' to reply; the Foolish will not--
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| Re: OT: Hitchhiker's guide (Re: Important please read this Thank you) [message #32773 ] |
Di, 10 Mai 2005 15:08 |
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Bill O'Meally wrote:
> After failing to get my wife to read *any* Tolkien, after trying to read
> HHGG (thanks for the abbreviation :-))
Don't thank me - the Beeb uses that on their website.
> to her and looking over to see
> her sound asleep before I finished the first page, I sheepishly looked
> over to her after the movie was over and said, "well, what did you
> think?"(1). To my suprise and great delight, she said, "that was
> BRILLIANT!". As a voice teacher, she is now eager to obtain the music
> for "So Long and Thanks for All the Fish", exclaiming that it would make
> a great closing number for one of her student recitals.
I'm not terribly musical, so I'm not sure what it was about that song, but
it was certainly catchy. I was singing it as I left the theatre :-)
>
>>> (Don't leave before the credits are done if you go).
>>>
>> oops :-)
>
> I guess you'll just have to go see it again!!
>
Perhaps, but I'll probably just wait for the DVD now.
--
derek
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| Re: OT: Hitchhiker's guide (Re: Important please read this Thank you) [message #32779 ] |
Di, 10 Mai 2005 19:17 |
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In article <tbo6l2-gib.ln1 [at] othello.pointerstop.ca>, news [at] pointerstop.ca
says...
> Bill O'Meally wrote:
>
> > After failing to get my wife to read *any* Tolkien, after trying to read
> > HHGG (thanks for the abbreviation :-))
>
> Don't thank me - the Beeb uses that on their website.
>
Isn't it H2G2?
--
Pete Gray
Say No to ID Cards <http://www.no2id.net>
<http://www.redbadge.co.uk/no2idcards/>
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| Re: OT: Hitchhiker's guide (Re: Important please read this Thank you) [message #32783 ] |
Di, 10 Mai 2005 20:53 |
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In article <MPG.1ceafd1e8aa7bd5d9896b9 [at] news.zen.co.uk>, Pete Gray
<news [at] redbadge.co.uk> writes
>Isn't it H2G2?
Yes, amongst the cognoscenti, at least !
I'm finally going to go and see it on Sat. (after listening to a couple
of friends raving about it for the past 10 days !) I'm not *that* huge a
fan (I've read the books but I never saw the TV version or heard the
original radio version), but I'm curious - H2G2 was such a "cult" hit
when I was doing my further education computing course (in lieu of A
levels) about 18 years ago (I feel *old* saying that !)...
Michele
==
Without [literature], for me, the world would be, indeed, a howling
desert.
- Henry James
==
Now reading: J M Barrie and the Lost Boys - Andrew Birkin
Defending Middle-earth - Patrick Curry
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| Re: OT: Hitchhiker's guide (Re: Important please read this Thank you) [message #32785 ] |
Di, 10 Mai 2005 21:36 |
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In article <2LvnCjAxMQgCFw17 [at] sassoonery.demon.co.uk>,
michele [at] sassoonery.demon.co.uk says...
> In article <MPG.1ceafd1e8aa7bd5d9896b9 [at] news.zen.co.uk>, Pete Gray
> <news [at] redbadge.co.uk> writes
>
> >Isn't it H2G2?
>
> Yes, amongst the cognoscenti, at least !
>
> I'm finally going to go and see it on Sat. (after listening to a couple
> of friends raving about it for the past 10 days !) I'm not *that* huge a
> fan (I've read the books but I never saw the TV version or heard the
> original radio version), but I'm curious - H2G2 was such a "cult" hit
> when I was doing my further education computing course (in lieu of A
> levels) about 18 years ago (I feel *old* saying that !)...
>
I remember listening to the original radio series in 1978 on compact
cassettes my friend had just recorded. Imagine how old you've just made
*me* feel!
There was one joke in the original radio series that has stuck in my
mind, and wasn't repeated on the LP or TV. When they land on Magrathea
and step out on to the surface, as Arthur is marvelling at being on
another planet there is music playing in the background -- an excerpt
from 'Wish you were here' by Pink Floyd. After a while someone says,
'Hey, this robot can hum like Pink Floyd' and it stops dead. 'What else
can you do Marvin' 'Rock and Roll' -- and he does.
I'll get me coat..
--
Pete Gray
Say No to ID Cards <http://www.no2id.net>
<http://www.redbadge.co.uk/no2idcards/>
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| Re: OT: Hitchhiker's guide (Re: Important please read this Thank you) [message #33589 ] |
Mi, 11 Mai 2005 16:07 |
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Pete Gray wrote:
> In article <2LvnCjAxMQgCFw17 [at] sassoonery.demon.co.uk>,
> michele [at] sassoonery.demon.co.uk says...
>> In article <MPG.1ceafd1e8aa7bd5d9896b9 [at] news.zen.co.uk>, Pete Gray
>> <news [at] redbadge.co.uk> writes
>>
>> >Isn't it H2G2?
>>
>> Yes, amongst the cognoscenti, at least !
So it is. I really only go there for Doctor Who :-)
>>
>> I'm finally going to go and see it on Sat. (after listening to a couple
>> of friends raving about it for the past 10 days !) I'm not *that* huge a
>> fan (I've read the books but I never saw the TV version or heard the
>> original radio version), but I'm curious - H2G2 was such a "cult" hit
>> when I was doing my further education computing course (in lieu of A
>> levels) about 18 years ago (I feel *old* saying that !)...
>>
> I remember listening to the original radio series in 1978 on compact
> cassettes my friend had just recorded. Imagine how old you've just made
> *me* feel!
As did I (it might have been '79). Followed by a big costume party,
attended by a Zaphod with two heads, a Marvin with rows of diodes down his
sides (Electrical engineering students, what more needs to be said...) and
numerous people in bathrobes. We made Pangalactic Gargleblasters in a
large (new - not used!) garbage can (the usual university party drink known
as "Purple Jesus", "Rocket fuel" and no doubt many others), and garnished
it with a large block of dry ice and a gold painted brick wrapped in a
twist of lemon.
--
derek
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| The Narnia Movie (was: OT: Hitchhiker's guide) [message #36627 ] |
So, 15 Mai 2005 04:29 |
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AC wrote:
> Heh heh heh. It's high time some other newsgroup had a variant of our movie
> struggles. Can't wait to see what happens when the Narnia film comes out.
Of course, Narnia is no LotR. Narnia's Christian
allegory is so sledgehammer-obvious that the film
will almost certainly need to tone it down.
-- FotW
Reality is for those who cannot cope with Middle-earth.
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| Re: The Narnia Movie [message #36628 ] |
So, 15 Mai 2005 05:09 |
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Flame of the West wrote:
> AC wrote:
>
>> Heh heh heh. It's high time some other newsgroup had a variant of our
>> movie
>> struggles. Can't wait to see what happens when the Narnia film comes
>> out.
>
>
> Of course, Narnia is no LotR. Narnia's Christian
> allegory is so sledgehammer-obvious that the film
> will almost certainly need to tone it down.
Speaking of movies, does anyone know if Disney still has
the rights for the Prydain-books?
Morgil
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| Re: The Narnia Movie (was: OT: Hitchhiker's guide) [message #36629 ] |
So, 15 Mai 2005 07:19 |
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On Sat, 14 May 2005 22:29:52 -0400, Flame of the West
<jsolinas [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>AC wrote:
>
>> Heh heh heh. It's high time some other newsgroup had a variant of our movie
>> struggles. Can't wait to see what happens when the Narnia film comes out.
>
>Of course, Narnia is no LotR. Narnia's Christian
>allegory is so sledgehammer-obvious that the film
>will almost certainly need to tone it down.
I shouldn't think so. It's certainly no more sledgehammer than all the
Bible stories that have been made into successful films.
--
R. Dan Henry
danhenry [at] inreach.com
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| Re: The Narnia Movie [message #36630 ] |
So, 15 Mai 2005 08:16 |
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R. Dan Henry wrote:
>>Of course, Narnia is no LotR. Narnia's Christian
>>allegory is so sledgehammer-obvious that the film
>>will almost certainly need to tone it down.
>
> I shouldn't think so. It's certainly no more sledgehammer than all the
> Bible stories that have been made into successful films.
But that's different. If you go to see a movie based
on a Bible story, you expect to get a religious message.
I kind of expect Narnia to be pitched as a fantasy story
rather than a religious allegory.
-- FotW
Reality is for those who cannot cope with Middle-earth.
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| Re: The Narnia Movie [message #36633 ] |
So, 15 Mai 2005 11:24 |
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Morgil <morestelx [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> Speaking of movies, does anyone know if Disney still has
> the rights for the Prydain-books?
I thought they already made a movie out of that? Black Cauldron or
something. Are you suggesting they make another movie, or a longer
series of movies?
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| Re: The Narnia Movie (was: OT: Hitchhiker's guide) [message #36641 ] |
So, 15 Mai 2005 16:14 |
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"R. Dan Henry" <danhenry [at] inreach.com> wrote in message
news:kumd81di6nojqat26n84gc0era4cofj2m4 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Sat, 14 May 2005 22:29:52 -0400, Flame of the West
> <jsolinas [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >AC wrote:
> >
> >> Heh heh heh. It's high time some other newsgroup had a variant of our
movie
> >> struggles. Can't wait to see what happens when the Narnia film comes
out.
> >
> >Of course, Narnia is no LotR. Narnia's Christian
> >allegory is so sledgehammer-obvious that the film
> >will almost certainly need to tone it down.
>
> I shouldn't think so. It's certainly no more sledgehammer than all the
> Bible stories that have been made into successful films.
>
> --
> R. Dan Henry
> danhenry [at] inreach.com
True. But biblical movies are aimed at a very specific part of the audience
spectrum. For a movie like Narnia to work there needs to be a more balanced
approach. If you keep the movie in the exact same allegorical category as
the books, you risk alienating all portions of the movie-going populace
(those who do not wish to view proselytization, as well as those who are so
religious that they view any "magical" overtones in a movie as works of the
devil anyways).
It is a fine line to walk, which is why I plan on seeing the movie by myself
before I decide if I will take my son.
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| Re: The Narnia Movie [message #36642 ] |
So, 15 Mai 2005 16:50 |
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Wes šu Flame of the West hal!
> But that's different. If you go to see a movie based
> on a Bible story, you expect to get a religious message.
> I kind of expect Narnia to be pitched as a fantasy story
> rather than a religious allegory.
I read somewhere that Disney has hired the company that marketed /The
Passion of the Christ/ to promote the Narnia films amongst evangelical
Christians. I think that probably means that the religious element
remains quite prominent and overt.
--
Arvind
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| Re: The Narnia Movie [message #36644 ] |
So, 15 Mai 2005 17:15 |
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Baronjosefr posted on 5/15/05 10:14 AM:
> "R. Dan Henry" <danhenry [at] inreach.com> wrote in message
> news:kumd81di6nojqat26n84gc0era4cofj2m4 [at] 4ax.com...
>
>>On Sat, 14 May 2005 22:29:52 -0400, Flame of the West
>><jsolinas [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>AC wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Heh heh heh. It's high time some other newsgroup had a variant of our
>
> movie
>
>>>>struggles. Can't wait to see what happens when the Narnia film comes
>
> out.
>
>>>Of course, Narnia is no LotR. Narnia's Christian
>>>allegory is so sledgehammer-obvious that the film
>>>will almost certainly need to tone it down.
>>
>>I shouldn't think so. It's certainly no more sledgehammer than all the
>>Bible stories that have been made into successful films.
>>
>>--
>>R. Dan Henry
>>danhenry [at] inreach.com
>
>
> True. But biblical movies are aimed at a very specific part of the audience
> spectrum. For a movie like Narnia to work there needs to be a more balanced
> approach. If you keep the movie in the exact same allegorical category as
> the books, you risk alienating all portions of the movie-going populace
> (those who do not wish to view proselytization, as well as those who are so
> religious that they view any "magical" overtones in a movie as works of the
> devil anyways).
>
> It is a fine line to walk, which is why I plan on seeing the movie by myself
> before I decide if I will take my son.
Everyone agrees that there is a lot of Christian content in
the Narnia books. But it isn't like a sledgehammer. It's
not even particularly evangelical; it's just an important
part of the story. Lots of non-Christian people have
enjoyed the books as they are. Why shouldn't the movies be
considered the same way?
Huan, the hound of Valinor
--
Yet at length Draugluin escaped, and fleeing back into the
tower he died before Sauron's feet; and as he died he told
his master: 'Huan is there!'
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| Re: The Narnia Movie [message #36651 ] |
So, 15 Mai 2005 20:09 |
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Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
> Morgil <morestelx [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Speaking of movies, does anyone know if Disney still has
>>the rights for the Prydain-books?
>
>
> I thought they already made a movie out of that? Black Cauldron or
> something. Are you suggesting they make another movie, or a longer
> series of movies?
Why not? There were animated versions of LotR and Narnia
as well before the new movies.
Morgil
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| Re: The Narnia Movie (was: OT: Hitchhiker's guide) [message #36674 ] |
Mo, 16 Mai 2005 09:05 |
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 14:14:03 GMT, "Baronjosefr" <baronjosefr [at] aol.com>
wrote:
>True. But biblical movies are aimed at a very specific part of the audience
>spectrum. For a movie like Narnia to work there needs to be a more balanced
>approach. If you keep the movie in the exact same allegorical category as
>the books, you risk alienating all portions of the movie-going populace
>(those who do not wish to view proselytization, as well as those who are so
>religious that they view any "magical" overtones in a movie as works of the
>devil anyways).
I never had any problems with the Narnia books. I think they're poor
proselytization in any case -- Aslan's too much cooler than Jesus for
that to work.
In any case, it is neither propaganda or allegory (except in The Last
Battle). It's simply that Aslan=Jesus is a character in the novels. I
don't see a problem with that.
--
R. Dan Henry
danhenry [at] inreach.com
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| Re: The Narnia Movie [message #36681 ] |
Mo, 16 Mai 2005 12:13 |
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 15:50:52 +0100, TT Arvind <ttarvind [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Wes šu Flame of the West hal!
>
>> But that's different. If you go to see a movie based
>> on a Bible story, you expect to get a religious message.
>> I kind of expect Narnia to be pitched as a fantasy story
>> rather than a religious allegory.
>
>I read somewhere that Disney has hired the company that marketed /The
>Passion of the Christ/ to promote the Narnia films amongst evangelical
>Christians. I think that probably means that the religious element
>remains quite prominent and overt.
Or that the PR flacks remain as clueless as ever.....
Only time will tell.
the softrat
"Honi soit qui mal y pense."
mailto:softrat [at] pobox.com
--
Pave the planet! One world. One people. One slab of asphalt.
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| Re: The Narnia Movie [message #36685 ] |
Mo, 16 Mai 2005 13:35 |
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"huan" <huanthehound [at] netscaoe.net> wrote in message
news:aGJhe.1127$cP2.734 [at] fe06.lga...
> Baronjosefr posted on 5/15/05 10:14 AM:
> > "R. Dan Henry" <danhenry [at] inreach.com> wrote in message
> > news:kumd81di6nojqat26n84gc0era4cofj2m4 [at] 4ax.com...
> >
> >>On Sat, 14 May 2005 22:29:52 -0400, Flame of the West
> >><jsolinas [at] comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>AC wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Heh heh heh. It's high time some other newsgroup had a variant of our
> >
> > movie
> >
> >>>>struggles. Can't wait to see what happens when the Narnia film comes
> >
> > out.
> >
> >>>Of course, Narnia is no LotR. Narnia's Christian
> >>>allegory is so sledgehammer-obvious that the film
> >>>will almost certainly need to tone it down.
> >>
> >>I shouldn't think so. It's certainly no more sledgehammer than all the
> >>Bible stories that have been made into successful films.
> >>
> >>--
> >>R. Dan Henry
> >>danhenry [at] inreach.com
> >
> >
> > True. But biblical movies are aimed at a very specific part of the
audience
> > spectrum. For a movie like Narnia to work there needs to be a more
balanced
> > approach. If you keep the movie in the exact same allegorical category
as
> > the books, you risk alienating all portions of the movie-going populace
> > (those who do not wish to view proselytization, as well as those who are
so
> > religious that they view any "magical" overtones in a movie as works of
the
> > devil anyways).
> >
> > It is a fine line to walk, which is why I plan on seeing the movie by
myself
> > before I decide if I will take my son.
>
> Everyone agrees that there is a lot of Christian content in
> the Narnia books. But it isn't like a sledgehammer. It's
> not even particularly evangelical; it's just an important
> part of the story. Lots of non-Christian people have
> enjoyed the books as they are. Why shouldn't the movies be
> considered the same way?
Because the Director's interpretation may not be as subtle as the books, and
he may just hit people over the head with it.
>
>
>
> Huan, the hound of Valinor
> --
> Yet at length Draugluin escaped, and fleeing back into the
> tower he died before Sauron's feet; and as he died he told
> his master: 'Huan is there!'
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| Re: The Narnia Movie (was: OT: Hitchhiker's guide) [message #36687 ] |
So, 15 Mai 2005 15:27 |
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Flame of the West wrote:
> AC wrote:
>
>> Heh heh heh. It's high time some other newsgroup had a variant of our
>> movie
>> struggles. Can't wait to see what happens when the Narnia film comes
>> out.
>
> Of course, Narnia is no LotR. Narnia's Christian
> allegory is so sledgehammer-obvious that the film
> will almost certainly need to tone it down.
Why? That would make about as much sense as toning down the Christianity of
"The Passion of the Christ".
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derek
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| Re: The Narnia Movie [message #36688 ] |
So, 15 Mai 2005 15:30 |
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Flame of the West wrote:
> R. Dan Henry wrote:
>
>>>Of course, Narnia is no LotR. Narnia's Christian
>>>allegory is so sledgehammer-obvious that the film
>>>will almost certainly need to tone it down.
>>
>> I shouldn't think so. It's certainly no more sledgehammer than all the
>> Bible stories that have been made into successful films.
>
> But that's different. If you go to see a movie based
> on a Bible story, you expect to get a religious message.
> I kind of expect Narnia to be pitched as a fantasy story
> rather than a religious allegory.
But it IS a religious allegory. It would be utterly ridiculous to sell it
otherwise. Those who've read the books and never grasped the religious
nature, still won't, and those who understand the allegory will be incensed
if it's removed.
And those who haven't read the books just don't count :-)
Personally, I can live without being beaten over the head with religion, but
I know that's central to the books and I'll be greatly disappointed if it
isn't there.
--
derek
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| Re: The Narnia Movie [message #36689 ] |
Mo, 16 Mai 2005 14:11 |
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TT Arvind wrote:
> Wes šu Flame of the West hal!
>
>
>>But that's different. If you go to see a movie based
>>on a Bible story, you expect to get a religious message.
>>I kind of expect Narnia to be pitched as a fantasy story
>>rather than a religious allegory.
>
>
> I read somewhere that Disney has hired the company that marketed /The
> Passion of the Christ/ to promote the Narnia films amongst evangelical
> Christians. I think that probably means that the religious element
> remains quite prominent and overt.
For those interested www.narniaweb.com has plenty of information
of the project (and also a great-looking map). For the tone of
the movie, two things seem important. It is directed by one of
the directors of Shrek movies, and co-producted and supervised
by CS Lewis' stepson Douglas Gresham, who's job is to ensure
that the movie stays faithful to the book and its religious
elements. All and all, it seems like a cool movie in the making.
:-)
Morgil
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| Re: The Narnia Movie (was: OT: Hitchhiker's guide) [message #36693 ] |
Mo, 16 Mai 2005 17:22 |
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In article <davjl2-16f.ln1 [at] othello.pointerstop.ca>,
Derek Broughton <news [at] pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>
>Why? That would make about as much sense as toning down the Christianity of
>"The Passion of the Christ".
Or toning down the anti-religious elements of Pullman's "His Dark Materials"
books? And yet, that is just what the film makers are apparently going
to do, last I heard.
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| Re: The Narnia Movie (was: OT: Hitchhiker's guide) [message #36695 ] |
Mo, 16 Mai 2005 18:09 |
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"Flame of the West" <jsolinas [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:zuWdnburKrS8KRvfRVn-rg [at] comcast.com...
> AC wrote:
>
> > Heh heh heh. It's high time some other newsgroup had a variant of
our movie
> > struggles. Can't wait to see what happens when the Narnia film
comes out.
>
> Of course, Narnia is no LotR. Narnia's Christian
> allegory is so sledgehammer-obvious that the film
> will almost certainly need to tone it down.
>
Oddly enough, *I* never found the allegory "sledgehammer-
obvious", except for a tiny scene in "Dawn Treader" and
the end of "Last Battle".
--
Jette
jette [at] blueyonder.co.uk
"Organised religion is a disease and the most dangerous symptom is
that
those suffering from it believe that infecting others is a Good Thing"
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| Re: The Narnia Movie (was: OT: Hitchhiker's guide) [message #36699 ] |
Mo, 16 Mai 2005 18:40 |
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Michael Urban wrote:
> In article <davjl2-16f.ln1 [at] othello.pointerstop.ca>,
> Derek Broughton <news [at] pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>>
>>Why? That would make about as much sense as toning down the Christianity
>>of "The Passion of the Christ".
>
> Or toning down the anti-religious elements of Pullman's "His Dark
> Materials"
> books? And yet, that is just what the film makers are apparently going
> to do, last I heard.
I don't know it, but I guess so. If you feel you can't honestly depict the
(anti-)religious parts of a book in which they're central, why on earth
would you make a movie of it? Oh well, that's Hollywood.
--
derek
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| Re: The Narnia Movie [message #36702 ] |
Mo, 16 Mai 2005 19:47 |
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 10:30:37 -0300, in alt.fan.tolkien Derek Broughton
<news [at] pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>
>But it IS a religious allegory. It would be utterly ridiculous to sell it
>otherwise.
In case you haven't noticed, the Entertainment Industry thrives on
'utterly ridiculous'.
the softrat
"Honi soit qui mal y pense."
mailto:softrat [at] pobox.com
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A cement mixer collided with a prison van on the Cajon Pass.
Motorists are asked to be on the lookout for sixteen hardened
criminals.
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| Re: The Narnia Movie [message #36706 ] |
Mo, 16 Mai 2005 20:49 |
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Morgil <morestelx [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> For those interested www.narniaweb.com has plenty of information
> of the project (and also a great-looking map).
<snip>
> All and all, it seems like a cool movie in the making.
It does look good. I had a quick look at the trailer, which seemed OK. I
am slightly concerned to see that the battle scenes (very brief in the
book IIRC) are being used as a special effects vehicle, but that is
hardly surprising really, as the same thing happened with the LotR
films.
Christopher
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| Re: The Narnia Movie [message #36709 ] |
Mo, 16 Mai 2005 20:18 |
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the softrat wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2005 10:30:37 -0300, in alt.fan.tolkien Derek Broughton
> <news [at] pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>>
>>But it IS a religious allegory. It would be utterly ridiculous to sell it
>>otherwise.
>
> In case you haven't noticed, the Entertainment Industry thrives on
> 'utterly ridiculous'.
I noted that in a previous post, but I still can't see Narnia selling with
the religion removed.
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derek
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| Re: The Narnia Movie (was: OT: Hitchhiker's guide) [message #36710 ] |
Mo, 16 Mai 2005 23:17 |
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Jette Goldie <jet [at] blueyonder.com.uk> wrote:
> "Flame of the West" <jsolinas [at] comcast.net> wrote :
>> AC wrote:
>>
>>> Heh heh heh. It's high time some other newsgroup had a variant of
>>> our movie struggles. Can't wait to see what happens when the
>>> Narnia film comes out.
>>
>> Of course, Narnia is no LotR. Narnia's Christian
>> allegory is so sledgehammer-obvious that the film
>> will almost certainly need to tone it down.
>
> Oddly enough, *I* never found the allegory "sledgehammer-
> obvious", except for a tiny scene in "Dawn Treader" and
> the end of "Last Battle".
I agree. Glad I'm not the only one to not find the allegory that
obvious. Maybe this might be people over-reacting when they have it
pointed out for them? They 'realise' that it was "obvious", and can't
rid themselves of this new way of thinking about it? [Partly a
tongue-in-cheek observation... :-) ]
Christopher
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| Re: The Narnia Movie [message #36725 ] |
Di, 17 Mai 2005 01:14 |
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On Mon, 16 May 2005 15:18:05 -0300, in alt.fan.tolkien Derek Broughton
<news [at] pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>the softrat wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 May 2005 10:30:37 -0300, in alt.fan.tolkien Derek Broughton
>> <news [at] pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>But it IS a religious allegory. It would be utterly ridiculous to sell it
>>>otherwise.
>>
>> In case you haven't noticed, the Entertainment Industry thrives on
>> 'utterly ridiculous'.
>
>I noted that in a previous post, but I still can't see Narnia selling with
>the religion removed.
Just wait ......
the softrat
"Honi soit qui mal y pense."
mailto:softrat [at] pobox.com
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"If you ever reach total enlightenment while you're drinking a beer,
I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose."
--Jack Handy
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| Re: The Narnia Movie [message #36744 ] |
Di, 17 Mai 2005 10:44 |
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Christopher Kreuzer <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Jette Goldie <jet [at] blueyonder.com.uk> wrote:
>> "Flame of the West" <jsolinas [at] comcast.net> wrote :
>>> Of course, Narnia is no LotR. Narnia's Christian
>>> allegory is so sledgehammer-obvious that the film
>>> will almost certainly need to tone it down.
>> Oddly enough, *I* never found the allegory "sledgehammer-
>> obvious", except for a tiny scene in "Dawn Treader" and
>> the end of "Last Battle".
> I agree. Glad I'm not the only one to not find the allegory that
> obvious.
Hm. I found it pretty obvious. Lewis is really *preaching* to some
degree in Narnia, and I never did like that.
And I have read Narnia only once, and at this time I hadn't figured
out that the LotR (which I had read already a number of times)
contains a lot of religious material, too.
> Maybe this might be people over-reacting when they have it
> pointed out for them?
Well, it was never pointed out for me :-). OTOH, the religious
elements of LotR had to be pointed out for me; I didn't discover them
on my own. But it didn't cause any "I don't like that" reaction at
all, because the religion in LotR is not very obtrusive.
So your theory (even though it's "tongue it cheeck") doesn't work, at
least for me :-)
- Dirk
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| Re: The Narnia Movie (was: OT: Hitchhiker's guide) [message #38172 ] |
Di, 17 Mai 2005 15:01 |
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Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
> Jette Goldie <jet [at] blueyonder.com.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Oddly enough, *I* never found the allegory "sledgehammer-
>> obvious", except for a tiny scene in "Dawn Treader" and
>> the end of "Last Battle".
>
> I agree. Glad I'm not the only one to not find the allegory that
> obvious. Maybe this might be people over-reacting when they have it
> pointed out for them? They 'realise' that it was "obvious", and can't
> rid themselves of this new way of thinking about it? [Partly a
> tongue-in-cheek observation... :-) ]
I'll admit that I first read it in my Jesus-freak days, when I saw religious
allegory in pretty well everything :-)
--
derek
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| Re: The Narnia Movie [message #38190 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 01:34 |
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Dirk Thierbach <dthierbach [at] usenet.arcornews.de> wrote:
> Christopher Kreuzer <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
[Narnia as religious allegory]
>> I agree. Glad I'm not the only one to not find the allegory that
>> obvious.
>
> Hm. I found it pretty obvious. Lewis is really *preaching* to some
> degree in Narnia, and I never did like that.
I forgot to add that I was young (8-9) when I read the Narnia books, so
that might explain it. It was nothing more than a good story to me then.
Christopher
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| Re: The Narnia Movie [message #38195 ] |
Mi, 18 Mai 2005 02:20 |
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On 2005-05-17, Christopher Kreuzer <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <Qbvie.34252$G8.2858 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
> Dirk Thierbach <dthierbach [at] usenet.arcornews.de> wrote:
>> Christopher Kreuzer <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> [Narnia as religious allegory]
>
>>> I agree. Glad I'm not the only one to not find the allegory that
>>> obvious.
>>
>> Hm. I found it pretty obvious. Lewis is really *preaching* to some
>> degree in Narnia, and I never did like that.
>
> I forgot to add that I was young (8-9) when I read the Narnia books, so
> that might explain it. It was nothing more than a good story to me then.
I agree with Christopher; it wasn't at all *obvious* when I read them as
a child. Even as an adult, I'd say that most of it isn't a
"sledgehammer" although the end of DT was a bit contrived.
--
Huan, the hound of Valinor
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| Re: The Narnia Movie [message #40132 ] |
Fr, 20 Mai 2005 08:51 |
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Jette Goldie wrote:
> Oddly enough, *I* never found the allegory "sledgehammer-
> obvious", except for a tiny scene in "Dawn Treader" and
> the end of "Last Battle".
That is odd. Didn't the death and resurrection of
Aslan remind you of anything?
-- FotW
Reality is for those who cannot cope with Middle-earth.
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