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John Shocked [message #28197] Do, 05 Mai 2005 16:16
Nightspirit  
John Shocked, isn't worth repling to because as a troll he becomes boring
way to fast, (maybe that's not the only department he comes to fast in),
just killfile him and move on in a few days he will move on.
--
Have Fun,

Night Spirit

Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and quite good
with ketchup.

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~hipdale2/Riverton_Common.HTML

BSG Blog: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cylon12/
Re: John Shocked [message #28199 ] Do, 05 Mai 2005 17:12
Graham Kennedy  
nightspirit wrote:

> John Shocked, isn't worth repling to because as a troll he becomes boring
> way to fast, (maybe that's not the only department he comes to fast in),
> just killfile him and move on in a few days he will move on.

Amen. Like I said, the man is a troll. It's doubtful
he believes the things he says (if he was that stupid
he wouldn't be able to tie his own shoes, let alone
use a computer), he just wants to stir up trouble.

It happened in the BSG group - if people take the bait,
this group will be nothing but "gay conspiracy" threads
for months to come.

It's even happening in the Doctor Who NG now - different
posting name, same old rubbish about how Who is promoting
the "gay agenda".

He's trying to con you all, people. Will you fall for it?

--
Graham Kennedy

Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
Re: John Shocked [message #28200 ] Do, 05 Mai 2005 17:19
Wouter Valentijn  
nightspirit wrote:
> John Shocked, isn't worth repling to because as a troll he becomes
> boring way to fast, (maybe that's not the only department he comes to
> fast in), just killfile him and move on in a few days he will move on.

He currently resides in my kill-file.

--
www.Wouter.Valentijn.name
www.zeppodunsel.nl
www.scifics.com
www.nksf.nl
liam=mail
Re: John Shocked [message #28201 ] Do, 05 Mai 2005 17:19
Jaxtraw  
"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:bJqee.33536$qK3.2322 [at] fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> nightspirit wrote:
>
> > John Shocked, isn't worth repling to because as a troll he becomes
boring
> > way to fast, (maybe that's not the only department he comes to fast in),
> > just killfile him and move on in a few days he will move on.
>
> Amen. Like I said, the man is a troll. It's doubtful
> he believes the things he says (if he was that stupid
> he wouldn't be able to tie his own shoes, let alone
> use a computer), he just wants to stir up trouble.
>
> It happened in the BSG group - if people take the bait,
> this group will be nothing but "gay conspiracy" threads
> for months to come.
>
> It's even happening in the Doctor Who NG now - different
> posting name, same old rubbish about how Who is promoting
> the "gay agenda".
>
> He's trying to con you all, people. Will you fall for it?
>

It doesn't seem like trolling to me, stupid and annoying as it is. He seems
more like a genuine lunatic. Also, John's writing style seems different to
that of "Fairplay" who's filling r.a.d. with gay conspiracy bilge. May be
the same person tho. Haven't seen mention in a Fairplay post of "your Son"
:)

Ian
Re: John Shocked [message #28202 ] Do, 05 Mai 2005 17:24
Graham Kennedy  
Jaxtraw wrote:

> It doesn't seem like trolling to me, stupid and annoying as it is. He seems
> more like a genuine lunatic. Also, John's writing style seems different to
> that of "Fairplay" who's filling r.a.d. with gay conspiracy bilge. May be
> the same person tho. Haven't seen mention in a Fairplay post of "your Son"
> :)

I'm not at all certain it's the same guy, but it
does seem odd that three different sci-fi NGs
have all become targets within the space of a
couple of months. Perhaps a group of friends?

Anyway, whatever. I've plonked him - and I almost
NEVER use my killfile, my whole life I've only had
half a dozen people in it. I'll be killing any
threads he starts, so people can do as they wish.

--
Graham Kennedy

Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
Re: John Shocked [message #28229 ] Do, 05 Mai 2005 22:22
Jaxtraw  
"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:9Vqee.33539$qK3.27799 [at] fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Jaxtraw wrote:
>
> > It doesn't seem like trolling to me, stupid and annoying as it is. He
seems
> > more like a genuine lunatic. Also, John's writing style seems different
to
> > that of "Fairplay" who's filling r.a.d. with gay conspiracy bilge. May
be
> > the same person tho. Haven't seen mention in a Fairplay post of "your
Son"
> > :)
>
> I'm not at all certain it's the same guy, but it
> does seem odd that three different sci-fi NGs
> have all become targets within the space of a
> couple of months. Perhaps a group of friends?
>
> Anyway, whatever. I've plonked him - and I almost
> NEVER use my killfile, my whole life I've only had
> half a dozen people in it. I'll be killing any
> threads he starts, so people can do as they wish.
>

Well, there's the possibility that they're all from some group or other,
maybe religiously motivated. It's a bit tinfoil hat but possible that some
idiot pressure group are trying to create a "grass roots" feeling that
there's all this evil perversity in mainstream TV as part of the general
desire by some people to fling us all back into Victorian times (that'll be
widespread child prostitution then). They could be hoping to use these
threads as "evidence" that sci-fi fans are discussing these imaginary
issues, in the hope that this will add credence to some claim or other that
TV needs to be more heavily censored.

Like I say tho, that's a tinfoil hat POV. Even if it's right, it'd be some
tiny group of loopies. John and his Son certainly seems a few sandwiches
short of a picnic, mind.

Anyway, look on the bright side, at least this group hasn't yet suffered the
ravings of D4n13l M1n. He makes John and his Son look positively benign by
comparison. (NB I've munged the above name so he can't find that he's been
mentioned here on Google).

Ian
Re: John Shocked [message #28233 ] Do, 05 Mai 2005 22:50
Graham Kennedy  
Jaxtraw wrote:

> Well, there's the possibility that they're all from some group or other,
> maybe religiously motivated. It's a bit tinfoil hat but possible that some
> idiot pressure group are trying to create a "grass roots" feeling that
> there's all this evil perversity in mainstream TV as part of the general
> desire by some people to fling us all back into Victorian times (that'll be
> widespread child prostitution then). They could be hoping to use these
> threads as "evidence" that sci-fi fans are discussing these imaginary
> issues, in the hope that this will add credence to some claim or other that
> TV needs to be more heavily censored.
>
> Like I say tho, that's a tinfoil hat POV. Even if it's right, it'd be some
> tiny group of loopies. John and his Son certainly seems a few sandwiches
> short of a picnic, mind.

I doubt they have that much of an agenda. I have a mental
image of three or four teenagers trying to stir up trouble
becuase they have nothing better to do.

> Anyway, look on the bright side, at least this group hasn't yet suffered the
> ravings of D4n13l M1n. He makes John and his Son look positively benign by
> comparison. (NB I've munged the above name so he can't find that he's been
> mentioned here on Google).

Or whatsisname, that Jeri Ryan fanatic who used to post here
about five or six years ago. Now that guy was a loon. He
ended up getting arrested for pestering her as I recall.
They guy used to start ten or twenty new threads a *day*,
filled with all sorts of oddball stuff about his "relationship"
with her.

--
Graham Kennedy

Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
Re: John Shocked [message #28238 ] Do, 05 Mai 2005 23:00
Nightspirit  
Graham Kennedy <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in
news:JGvee.29183$Cq2.18685 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk:

> Jaxtraw wrote:
>
>> Well, there's the possibility that they're all from some group or
>> other, maybe religiously motivated. It's a bit tinfoil hat but
>> possible that some idiot pressure group are trying to create a "grass
>> roots" feeling that there's all this evil perversity in mainstream TV
>> as part of the general desire by some people to fling us all back
>> into Victorian times (that'll be widespread child prostitution then).
>> They could be hoping to use these threads as "evidence" that sci-fi
>> fans are discussing these imaginary issues, in the hope that this
>> will add credence to some claim or other that TV needs to be more
>> heavily censored.
>>
>> Like I say tho, that's a tinfoil hat POV. Even if it's right, it'd be
>> some tiny group of loopies. John and his Son certainly seems a few
>> sandwiches short of a picnic, mind.
>
> I doubt they have that much of an agenda. I have a mental
> image of three or four teenagers trying to stir up trouble
> becuase they have nothing better to do.
>
What ever happened to book reports, term papers science and math home
work?


--
Have Fun,

Night Spirit

Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and quite good
with ketchup.

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~hipdale2/Riverton_Common.HTML

BSG Blog: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cylon12/
Re: John Shocked [message #28244 ] Do, 05 Mai 2005 23:18
Graham Kennedy  
nightspirit wrote:

> Graham Kennedy <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in
> news:JGvee.29183$Cq2.18685 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk:
>
>
>>Jaxtraw wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Well, there's the possibility that they're all from some group or
>>>other, maybe religiously motivated. It's a bit tinfoil hat but
>>>possible that some idiot pressure group are trying to create a "grass
>>>roots" feeling that there's all this evil perversity in mainstream TV
>>>as part of the general desire by some people to fling us all back
>>>into Victorian times (that'll be widespread child prostitution then).
>>>They could be hoping to use these threads as "evidence" that sci-fi
>>>fans are discussing these imaginary issues, in the hope that this
>>>will add credence to some claim or other that TV needs to be more
>>>heavily censored.
>>>
>>>Like I say tho, that's a tinfoil hat POV. Even if it's right, it'd be
>>>some tiny group of loopies. John and his Son certainly seems a few
>>>sandwiches short of a picnic, mind.
>>
>>I doubt they have that much of an agenda. I have a mental
>>image of three or four teenagers trying to stir up trouble
>>becuase they have nothing better to do.
>>
>
> What ever happened to book reports, term papers science and math home
> work?

The most popular current method of doing homework :

1) Type subject of homework into google.
2) Click on first website to come up.
3) Hit "print".
4) Hand in resultant printout.

Conversation then goes something like this :

"This is no good."
"But there's fifteen pages there!"
"Yes, but we don't give extra marks per gram of paper.
And besides, you didn't write it."
"Yes I did!"
"You copied it off a website. The printer even put the
URL on the top of every page."
"Well yeah, but I looked it up! That took ages!"
"No it didn't. You picked the first thing you saw."
"Did not! You can't prove that! I know my rights!"
"I can prove it."
"How?"
"Well for one thing, the assignment was to explain what
is meant by 'The Butterfly Effect'. What you have here
is an article by Roger Ebert discussing a hollywood movie."
"So! You didn't SAY it couldn't be about a movie!"
"Well, we'll discuss it further in your detention."
"I don't DO detentions, my mum says I can't walk home
in the dark and I can't be alone with teachers anyway,
and I did the homework so get stuffed!"

And so on. Now imagine having a conversation rather like
that oh, five or ten times a day. Welcome to MY life.

--
Graham Kennedy

Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
Re: John Shocked [message #28246 ] Do, 05 Mai 2005 23:18
Jaxtraw  
"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:JGvee.29183$Cq2.18685 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Jaxtraw wrote:
>
> > Well, there's the possibility that they're all from some group or other,
> > maybe religiously motivated. It's a bit tinfoil hat but possible that
some
> > idiot pressure group are trying to create a "grass roots" feeling that
> > there's all this evil perversity in mainstream TV as part of the general
> > desire by some people to fling us all back into Victorian times (that'll
be
> > widespread child prostitution then). They could be hoping to use these
> > threads as "evidence" that sci-fi fans are discussing these imaginary
> > issues, in the hope that this will add credence to some claim or other
that
> > TV needs to be more heavily censored.
> >
> > Like I say tho, that's a tinfoil hat POV. Even if it's right, it'd be
some
> > tiny group of loopies. John and his Son certainly seems a few sandwiches
> > short of a picnic, mind.
>
> I doubt they have that much of an agenda. I have a mental
> image of three or four teenagers trying to stir up trouble
> becuase they have nothing better to do.

Well, I did supply a tinfoil hat warning :) Anyone with any sense would know
that Usenet is the last place to try and start a buzz, because hardly anyone
knows it exists and it's only of relevance to Usenetters :)

> > Anyway, look on the bright side, at least this group hasn't yet suffered
the
> > ravings of D4n13l M1n. He makes John and his Son look positively benign
by
> > comparison. (NB I've munged the above name so he can't find that he's
been
> > mentioned here on Google).
>
> Or whatsisname, that Jeri Ryan fanatic who used to post here
> about five or six years ago. Now that guy was a loon. He
> ended up getting arrested for pestering her as I recall.
> They guy used to start ten or twenty new threads a *day*,
> filled with all sorts of oddball stuff about his "relationship"
> with her.
>
> --

It must be a strange kind of hell to live in, to have that kind of utterly
unrequitable obsession... must be pretty scary to be the object of it, too.
I'd make a great famous person in that regard... one thing about looking
like I do is there's no chance of being stalked :)

Ian
Re: John Shocked [message #28253 ] Do, 05 Mai 2005 23:31
Graham Kennedy  
Jaxtraw wrote:

> It must be a strange kind of hell to live in, to have that kind of utterly
> unrequitable obsession... must be pretty scary to be the object of it, too.

I suppose it must. I once read a quote by Jeri Ryan after
she went to her first Trek convention where she said it
"was like diving into an ocean of unconditional love". Which
must be a very nice feeling, *IF* you then get to go home
and relax at the end of the day. Having even one person
giving you that kind of attention 24/7... it must get very
tiring after a while.

Funny, for all the interest I have in Trek I can't say
I've ever particularly wanted to meet any of the actors.
I'm very grateful to them for all that they've given us
over the years, but I can't imagine going to a convention
just because Patrick Stewart or William Shatner was going
to be there. Guess I'm not the stalker type!

> I'd make a great famous person in that regard... one thing about looking
> like I do is there's no chance of being stalked :)

I'm right there with you on that one. I'm now
getting to a point where I'd probably *welcome*
a stalker!

--
Graham Kennedy

Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
Re: John Shocked [message #28299 ] Fr, 06 Mai 2005 05:20
Glassman  
"nightspirit" <nightspirit [at] evilcabal.org> wrote in message
news:d5crpv.174.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org...
>
> John Shocked, isn't worth repling to because as a troll he becomes boring
> way to fast, (maybe that's not the only department he comes to fast in),
> just killfile him and move on in a few days he will move on.
> --
> Have Fun,
>
> Night Spirit
>
>

For those of us that have killfiled him long ago, why would you put his
name in a thread title for us to read all over again? Let it die already...
Re: John Shocked [message #28322 ] Fr, 06 Mai 2005 15:02
John Shocked  
Here is part of the case that proves that Sodomy is
being sold to you and your Son in the Battlestar
Galactica series by the wealthy fatcat Hollywood
Homosexual Neo-Conservatives in Hollywood who control
the series.

=============================

I reprise some of the facts here:

1) This Battlestar Galactica series seems to have a
continuing Homosexual agenda and determination to sell
Homosexuality to the masses, by hook or by crook.
Back In the 3rd episode (Bastille Day) the whole Zerak
relationship was the producers trying to put Apollo
and Zerak in bed together.

The producers feinted with a heterosexual rape, then
hit their true target which was to show Apollo being
dragged to the ground face down in an Oz-like prison
attack. Bastille Day is known in Europe to be a major
celebratory day for European homosexuals. Apparently,
in the next episode, Zerak returns and you better
believe that the producers will be determined to
reestablish and develop the possible Homosexual
relationship between Apollo and Zerak.

Why do you think that the statements "You Bet Your
Arse" and "The Back Door is Open" when such prominent
parts of this weeks script (The Hand Of God), both in
reference to Apollo ?

So if you do not want to be sold Homosexuality by this
series or if you have kids you do not want to be sold
Homosexuality by this series, watch out.

2) Again in the Colonial Day episode the Battlestar
producers show us the side of Apollo they showed us in
episode 3 Bastille Day: Apollo being pulled down to
the ground face down, sunny side up in an Oz-like
grappling with another man. It should be clear now to
everyone watching this series that there is a pattern
in showing these Oz-like scenes where it appears that
Apollo is about to be raped by another man. The
producers of this series are desperate to show at the
very least the symbolism of Sodomy in the series. It
is very important to them.

3) In the BSG last episode of the season, Kobol's
Last Gleaming Part II, the Hollywood Homosexuals in
control of BSG were able to crowbar yet another
Homosexual Rape symbolism scene into the show in the
scene in which Boomer is approached and surrounded by
what appears to be around 5 semi-nude sister Boomer-
copies who appear to be just about to forcibly undress
and rape her.

Her response is "oh no, this is not happening". Many
Homosexuals just love to be the first one to turn
someone, maybe your son, perhaps in that Catholic
Church rectory, onto that special secret intimacy they
promote, for the first time. They are absolutely
loving this scene. They respond to Boomer: "you're
confused and scared... but it's ok", as they forcibly
take off her helmet and start caressing her without
her permission. It appears that she is in the process
of being homosexual gang raped.

You can just imagine this scene in some women's prison
or even some sororities on some campuses with a new
inductee. Anyone seen Reform School Girls with Wendy
O. Williams " ? USA Network used to show it regularly.

Boomer says: "I am not a Cylon". Right there, the
obvious implication was that she was about to say "I
am not a Homosexual". She then says her parents are a
man and a woman: "My parents were Katherine and
Abraham Valerii."

The Boomer-copies then feed her the normal Homosexual
promotional crap that we have heard here, over and
over again, that deep inside, everyone is a
homosexual: "You can't fight destiny, Sharon. It
catches up with you... no matter what you do. Don't
worry about us. We'll see you again. We love you,
sharon. And we always will."

If you listen to these Hollywood Homosexual fatcats
behind BSG, everyone is eventually going to engage in
Homosexual Sex. So Why fight the feeling. Do it now.
Call of the wild, sort of thing.

As these lines were delivered over cable TV, you
better believe that the Hollywood Homosexual fatcats
behind this series were jumping around slapping high
fives. I can just imagine a new Saturday Night Live
Gays In Space episode based on this content, except
what SNL is doing does not appear to have been
approved by the Hollywood Homosexuals fatcats so they
are being a little careful about how close they mirror
the show.

One of the problems with Hollywood Homosexual scenes
like this being crowbar-ed into the script is: Should
we the viewers draw assumptions from this scene about
the direction of the overall story, or take it for
what it is -- the writers' penance to their Hollywood
Homosexual masters for putting up the money for the
production. For example, some here have assumed that
in this scene Boomer is programmed, or re-programmed
to aasassinate William Adama, by this contact with her
Boomer-copy sisters. Some have even claimed that the
taking off of the helmet was significant in that it
further exposed her brain to the telepathic
communications wavelengths being sent to her.

But how can we know for sure when this scene already
serves a totally ulterior motive of the writers and
their Hollywood Homosexual fatcat masters.
========================================

Politics



========================================

"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:bJqee.33536$qK3.2322 [at] fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> nightspirit wrote:
>
> > John Shocked, isn't worth repling to because as a troll he becomes
boring
> > way to fast, (maybe that's not the only department he comes to fast in),
> > just killfile him and move on in a few days he will move on.
>
> Amen. Like I said, the man is a troll. It's doubtful
> he believes the things he says (if he was that stupid
> he wouldn't be able to tie his own shoes, let alone
> use a computer), he just wants to stir up trouble.
>
> It happened in the BSG group - if people take the bait,
> this group will be nothing but "gay conspiracy" threads
> for months to come.
>
> It's even happening in the Doctor Who NG now - different
> posting name, same old rubbish about how Who is promoting
> the "gay agenda".
>
> He's trying to con you all, people. Will you fall for it?
>
> --
> Graham Kennedy
>
> Creator and Author,
> Daystrom Institute Technical Library
> http://www.ditl.org
>
Re: John Shocked [message #28323 ] Fr, 06 Mai 2005 15:04
John Shocked  
As I have stated, the BSG public relations hacks working on this
Newsgroup are desperate to put out the fire, any way
that can be accomplished.
1) Insults, threats and other attempts to intimidate me did not work.
2) False Complaints to my ISP did not work.
3) Now, the only other choice they have is to exploit the weakness and
loneliness of the few true viewers of the BSG series who are left here
leveraging their fake friendship with those left as a bargaining chip to
dissuade them from responding to my messages.

Generally in situations like this the people who are left on these
Newsgroups after all of these personal attack campaigns
have succumbed to the attacks and have been coopted by the
BSG public relations hacks, sheep to herded whichever way
the BSG Hollywood Homosexual hacks lead..

Politics


"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:9Vqee.33539$qK3.27799 [at] fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Jaxtraw wrote:
>
> > It doesn't seem like trolling to me, stupid and annoying as it is. He
seems
> > more like a genuine lunatic. Also, John's writing style seems different
to
> > that of "Fairplay" who's filling r.a.d. with gay conspiracy bilge. May
be
> > the same person tho. Haven't seen mention in a Fairplay post of "your
Son"
> > :)
>
> I'm not at all certain it's the same guy, but it
> does seem odd that three different sci-fi NGs
> have all become targets within the space of a
> couple of months. Perhaps a group of friends?
>
> Anyway, whatever. I've plonked him - and I almost
> NEVER use my killfile, my whole life I've only had
> half a dozen people in it. I'll be killing any
> threads he starts, so people can do as they wish.
>
> --
> Graham Kennedy
>
> Creator and Author,
> Daystrom Institute Technical Library
> http://www.ditl.org
>
Re: John Shocked [message #28324 ] Fr, 06 Mai 2005 15:04
John Shocked  
As I have stated, the BSG public relations hacks working on this
Newsgroup are desperate to put out the fire, any way
that can be accomplished.
1) Insults, threats and other attempts to intimidate me did not work.
2) False Complaints to my ISP did not work.
3) Now, the only other choice they have is to exploit the weakness and
loneliness of the few true viewers of the BSG series who are left here
leveraging their fake friendship with those left as a bargaining chip to
dissuade them from responding to my messages.

Generally in situations like this the people who are left on these
Newsgroups after all of these personal attack campaigns
have succumbed to the attacks and have been coopted by the
BSG public relations hacks, sheep to herded whichever way
the BSG Hollywood Homosexual hacks lead..

Politics


"Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
news:427a3875$0$151$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
> nightspirit wrote:
> > John Shocked, isn't worth repling to because as a troll he becomes
> > boring way to fast, (maybe that's not the only department he comes to
> > fast in), just killfile him and move on in a few days he will move on.
>
> He currently resides in my kill-file.
>
> --
> www.Wouter.Valentijn.name
> www.zeppodunsel.nl
> www.scifics.com
> www.nksf.nl
> liam=mail
>
>
Re: John Shocked [message #28325 ] Fr, 06 Mai 2005 15:05
John Shocked  
As I have stated, the BSG public relations hacks working on this
Newsgroup are desperate to put out the fire, any way
that can be accomplished.
1) Insults, threats and other attempts to intimidate me did not work.
2) False Complaints to my ISP did not work.
3) Now, the only other choice they have is to exploit the weakness and
loneliness of the few true viewers of the BSG series who are left here
leveraging their fake friendship with those left as a bargaining chip to
dissuade them from responding to my messages.

Generally in situations like this the people who are left on these
Newsgroups after all of these personal attack campaigns
have succumbed to the attacks and have been coopted by the
BSG public relations hacks, sheep to herded whichever way
the BSG Hollywood Homosexual hacks lead..

Politics


"Glassman" <jksinrod [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:hnBee.19722$o32.12599 [at] fe09.lga...
>
> "nightspirit" <nightspirit [at] evilcabal.org> wrote in message
> news:d5crpv.174.1 [at] news.evilcabal.org...
> >
> > John Shocked, isn't worth repling to because as a troll he becomes
boring
> > way to fast, (maybe that's not the only department he comes to fast in),
> > just killfile him and move on in a few days he will move on.
> > --
> > Have Fun,
> >
> > Night Spirit
> >
> >
>
> For those of us that have killfiled him long ago, why would you put his
> name in a thread title for us to read all over again? Let it die
already...
>
>
>
>
Re: John Shocked [message #28336 ] Fr, 06 Mai 2005 16:32
Nightspirit  
Graham Kennedy <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in news:X4wee.29209$Cq2.9225
[at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk:

snip

>> What ever happened to book reports, term papers science and math home
>> work?
>
> The most popular current method of doing homework :
>
> 1) Type subject of homework into google.
> 2) Click on first website to come up.
> 3) Hit "print".
> 4) Hand in resultant printout.
>
> Conversation then goes something like this :
>
> "This is no good."
> "But there's fifteen pages there!"
> "Yes, but we don't give extra marks per gram of paper.
> And besides, you didn't write it."
> "Yes I did!"
> "You copied it off a website. The printer even put the
> URL on the top of every page."
> "Well yeah, but I looked it up! That took ages!"
> "No it didn't. You picked the first thing you saw."
> "Did not! You can't prove that! I know my rights!"
> "I can prove it."
> "How?"
> "Well for one thing, the assignment was to explain what
> is meant by 'The Butterfly Effect'. What you have here
> is an article by Roger Ebert discussing a hollywood movie."
> "So! You didn't SAY it couldn't be about a movie!"
> "Well, we'll discuss it further in your detention."
> "I don't DO detentions, my mum says I can't walk home
> in the dark and I can't be alone with teachers anyway,
> and I did the homework so get stuffed!"
>
> And so on. Now imagine having a conversation rather like
> that oh, five or ten times a day. Welcome to MY life.
>

And those excuses have worked how many times with you and the principal?
;-)

I agree that you and your fellow teachers have it bad. I saw something
the other day about how rampant cheating has become in High School. One
of the kids was a very smart yet he cheated out pure laziness.

The problem starts with the parents for allowing them to get away with it.
All a teacher can do is give the assignment an F, (Do they still give
F's?). Until Parents take control of the computer and see to it that their
little darlings actually do the work kids will not learn anything.


--
Have Fun,

Night Spirit

Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and quite good
with ketchup.

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~hipdale2/Riverton_Common.HTML

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Re: John Shocked [message #28337 ] Fr, 06 Mai 2005 16:43
Graham Kennedy  
nightspirit wrote:

> Graham Kennedy <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in news:X4wee.29209$Cq2.9225
> [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk:
>
> snip
>
>
>>>What ever happened to book reports, term papers science and math home
>>>work?
>>
>>The most popular current method of doing homework :
>>
>>1) Type subject of homework into google.
>>2) Click on first website to come up.
>>3) Hit "print".
>>4) Hand in resultant printout.
>>
>>Conversation then goes something like this :
>>
>>"This is no good."
>> "But there's fifteen pages there!"
>>"Yes, but we don't give extra marks per gram of paper.
>>And besides, you didn't write it."
>> "Yes I did!"
>>"You copied it off a website. The printer even put the
>>URL on the top of every page."
>> "Well yeah, but I looked it up! That took ages!"
>>"No it didn't. You picked the first thing you saw."
>> "Did not! You can't prove that! I know my rights!"
>>"I can prove it."
>> "How?"
>>"Well for one thing, the assignment was to explain what
>>is meant by 'The Butterfly Effect'. What you have here
>>is an article by Roger Ebert discussing a hollywood movie."
>> "So! You didn't SAY it couldn't be about a movie!"
>>"Well, we'll discuss it further in your detention."
>> "I don't DO detentions, my mum says I can't walk home
>>in the dark and I can't be alone with teachers anyway,
>>and I did the homework so get stuffed!"
>>
>>And so on. Now imagine having a conversation rather like
>>that oh, five or ten times a day. Welcome to MY life.
>>
>
>
> And those excuses have worked how many times with you and the principal?
> ;-)

More often than you might think. Ultimately, there is
very little that a school can do if a kid simply refuses
to go along with it.

> I agree that you and your fellow teachers have it bad. I saw something
> the other day about how rampant cheating has become in High School. One
> of the kids was a very smart yet he cheated out pure laziness.

Our UK exams tend to be fairly well protected in that respect.
Any important exam isn't held in the classroom, but in a
central hall with kids well separated and constant patrols
of invigilators. There are all sorts of elaborate security
measures on the tests themselves.

It always amuses me to hear of girls offering to sleep
with teachers in US to get good grades. Even if I was
minded to accept an offer like that, and had a student
blind enough to make the offer to somebody who looks like
I do, ultimately there is virtually nothing I could
actually do to help a kid's grades. I could give them
whatever marks I liked on interim tests and report cards
and such, but those count for absolutely nothing in the
long run.

> The problem starts with the parents for allowing them to get away with it.
> All a teacher can do is give the assignment an F, (Do they still give
> F's?). Until Parents take control of the computer and see to it that their
> little darlings actually do the work kids will not learn anything.

Absolutely. You find about a third of parents are
really strongly interested in how their kid is doing
in school; a third or so are reasonably interested,
and the rest are either apathetic or actively hostile
to the school. And just guess which group has the kids
that do best?

--
Graham Kennedy

Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
Re: John Shocked [message #28353 ] Fr, 06 Mai 2005 23:18
Nightspirit  
Graham Kennedy <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in
news:BoLee.39721$Cq2.21365 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk:

> nightspirit wrote:
>
>> Graham Kennedy <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in news:X4wee.29209$Cq2.9225
>> [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk:
>>
>> snip
>>
>>
>>>>What ever happened to book reports, term papers science and math
>>>>home work?
>>>
>>>The most popular current method of doing homework :
>>>
>>>1) Type subject of homework into google.
>>>2) Click on first website to come up.
>>>3) Hit "print".
>>>4) Hand in resultant printout.
>>>
>>>Conversation then goes something like this :
>>>
>>>"This is no good."
>>> "But there's fifteen pages there!"
>>>"Yes, but we don't give extra marks per gram of paper.
>>>And besides, you didn't write it."
>>> "Yes I did!"
>>>"You copied it off a website. The printer even put the
>>>URL on the top of every page."
>>> "Well yeah, but I looked it up! That took ages!"
>>>"No it didn't. You picked the first thing you saw."
>>> "Did not! You can't prove that! I know my rights!"
>>>"I can prove it."
>>> "How?"
>>>"Well for one thing, the assignment was to explain what
>>>is meant by 'The Butterfly Effect'. What you have here
>>>is an article by Roger Ebert discussing a hollywood movie."
>>> "So! You didn't SAY it couldn't be about a movie!"
>>>"Well, we'll discuss it further in your detention."
>>> "I don't DO detentions, my mum says I can't walk home
>>>in the dark and I can't be alone with teachers anyway,
>>>and I did the homework so get stuffed!"
>>>
>>>And so on. Now imagine having a conversation rather like
>>>that oh, five or ten times a day. Welcome to MY life.
>>>
>>
>>
>> And those excuses have worked how many times with you and the
>> principal? ;-)
>
> More often than you might think. Ultimately, there is
> very little that a school can do if a kid simply refuses
> to go along with it.
>
>> I agree that you and your fellow teachers have it bad. I saw
>> something the other day about how rampant cheating has become in High
>> School. One of the kids was a very smart yet he cheated out pure
>> laziness.
>
> Our UK exams tend to be fairly well protected in that respect.
> Any important exam isn't held in the classroom, but in a
> central hall with kids well separated and constant patrols
> of invigilators. There are all sorts of elaborate security
> measures on the tests themselves.
>
> It always amuses me to hear of girls offering to sleep
> with teachers in US to get good grades. Even if I was
> minded to accept an offer like that, and had a student
> blind enough to make the offer to somebody who looks like
> I do, ultimately there is virtually nothing I could
> actually do to help a kid's grades. I could give them
> whatever marks I liked on interim tests and report cards
> and such, but those count for absolutely nothing in the
> long run.

I think that is mostly an urban legend though I'm sure there are a few
girls here in the USA do offer themselves for an "Easy A". It is sad that
a girl will make such an offer and that a teacher would even accept it. I
don't believe being labelled a sex offender the rest of their lives is
worth the cost.

>> The problem starts with the parents for allowing them to get away
>> with it. All a teacher can do is give the assignment an F, (Do they
>> still give F's?). Until Parents take control of the computer and see
>> to it that their little darlings actually do the work kids will not
>> learn anything.
>
> Absolutely. You find about a third of parents are
> really strongly interested in how their kid is doing
> in school; a third or so are reasonably interested,
> and the rest are either apathetic or actively hostile
> to the school. And just guess which group has the kids
> that do best?
>

I would say those that have parents that are very interested in how their
kid are doing.

--
Have Fun,

Night Spirit

Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and quite good
with ketchup.

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~hipdale2/Riverton_Common.HTML

BSG Blog: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cylon12/
Re: John Shocked [message #28417 ] Sa, 07 Mai 2005 10:36
John Shocked  
What I have posted on this forum clearly is on topic.

As I have stated, the BSG public relations hacks working on this
Newsgroup are desperate to put out the fire, any way
that can be accomplished.
1) Insults, threats and other attempts to intimidate me did not work.
2) False Complaints to my ISP did not work.
3) Now, the only other choice they have is to exploit the weakness
and loneliness of the few true viewers of the BSG series who are
left here leveraging their fake friendship with those left as a
bargaining chip to dissuade them from responding to my messages.

Generally in situations like this the people who are left on these
Newsgroups after all of these personal attack campaigns
have succumbed to the attacks and have been coopted by the
BSG public relations hacks, sheep to herded whichever way
the BSG Hollywood Homosexual hacks lead.

These BSG HH hacks threaten Newsgroup members,
claiming they will not converse with anyone who criticizes BSG,
or anyone else who converses with anyone who criticizes
the BSG series.
The joke is: why would anyone want to converse with anyone
whose sole job on this Newsgroup is to support BSG and sell
BSG related products, like DVDs ?

And those wealthy fatcat BSG Hollywood Homosexuals make
their living off chumps/stooges. You think these fatcats are going
to specially stop off their private jet, chauffeur to your house,
shake your hand and thank you for defending their right to
pervert you and your kid ?
You are just another piece of trash to be manipulated and
run over as far as they are concerned.

When I express my free speech on the Scifi web site, they
Ban me from their forum. Get the message what they think
about your right to free speech ?

Politics


"Jaxtraw" <jaxtraw [at] nospamnobigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:427a38b2$0$17681$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
> "Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
> news:bJqee.33536$qK3.2322 [at] fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > nightspirit wrote:
> > > John Shocked, isn't worth repling to because
> > > as a troll he becomes boring way to fast,
> > > (maybe that's not the only department he comes to fast in),
> > > just killfile him and move on in a few days he will move on.
> > Amen. Like I said, the man is a troll. It's doubtful
> > he believes the things he says (if he was that stupid
> > he wouldn't be able to tie his own shoes, let alone
> > use a computer), he just wants to stir up trouble.
> > It happened in the BSG group - if people take the bait,
> > this group will be nothing but "gay conspiracy" threads
> > for months to come.
> > It's even happening in the Doctor Who NG now - different
> > posting name, same old rubbish about how Who is promoting
> > the "gay agenda".
> > He's trying to con you all, people. Will you fall for it?
> It doesn't seem like trolling to me, stupid and annoying as it is. He
seems
> more like a genuine lunatic. Also, John's writing style seems different to
> that of "Fairplay" who's filling r.a.d. with gay conspiracy bilge. May be
> the same person tho. Haven't seen mention in a Fairplay post of "your Son"
> :)
> Ian
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