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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » availability of transporters on 24th century earth
availability of transporters on 24th century earth [message #27404] Mi, 04 Mai 2005 05:18
Matty-o  
Hey.

I was driving down I-94 in the Detroit area recently, and something popped
into my head. I thought to myself, "Hey. This road would probably be
useless to the people of the 24th century in the Trek universe. People
probably just beam to and from work.". But do they?
What would the main mode of transportation be in the 24th century? Personal
vehicles of some sort? Light rail (or the 24th century equivalent;
anti-grav "rail", perhaps), or the transporter? I'd like to concentrate on
the transporter....
What role does the transporter play in 24th century society? Do most (or
all) earth civilians have a "home transporter"? Are they available
(legally) to civilians, but too expensive for most people? (as an aside, I
can't accept the notion that there isn't "money" in 24th century earth.
Something money-like is ESSENTIAL to differentiate between a brain surgeon
and a bus boy, and between a bus boy and somebody who is too lazy to work).
Are home transporters illegal altogether, reserved for Starfleet and
Federation officials? Or, is there a place similar to an airport or a bus
terminal, where you can go, pay 50 bucks, and beam yourself from Detroit to
Sydney, Australia for a vacation?

Thoughts?

Matty-o
Re: availability of transporters on 24th century earth [message #27410 ] Mi, 04 Mai 2005 07:57
Mark Fergerson  
Matty-o wrote:
> Hey.
>
> I was driving down I-94 in the Detroit area recently, and something popped
> into my head. I thought to myself, "Hey. This road would probably be
> useless to the people of the 24th century in the Trek universe. People
> probably just beam to and from work.". But do they?
> What would the main mode of transportation be in the 24th century? Personal
> vehicles of some sort? Light rail (or the 24th century equivalent;
> anti-grav "rail", perhaps), or the transporter? I'd like to concentrate on
> the transporter....
> What role does the transporter play in 24th century society? Do most (or
> all) earth civilians have a "home transporter"? Are they available
> (legally) to civilians, but too expensive for most people? (as an aside, I
> can't accept the notion that there isn't "money" in 24th century earth.
> Something money-like is ESSENTIAL to differentiate between a brain surgeon
> and a bus boy, and between a bus boy and somebody who is too lazy to work).
> Are home transporters illegal altogether, reserved for Starfleet and
> Federation officials? Or, is there a place similar to an airport or a bus
> terminal, where you can go, pay 50 bucks, and beam yourself from Detroit to
> Sydney, Australia for a vacation?
>
> Thoughts?

Yeah, I thought this had been covered. Transporter platforms on
every third or fourth street corner, all citizens get so many
credits (per transport or per distance?), otherwise most people use
public transport (monorails, shullteoid vehicles) to and from major
destinations like spaceports.

Mark L. Fergerson
Re: availability of transporters on 24th century earth [message #27415 ] Mi, 04 Mai 2005 09:49
Ghostmagic  
Matty-o wrote:
> Hey.
>
> I was driving down I-94 in the Detroit area recently, and something popped
> into my head. I thought to myself, "Hey. This road would probably be
> useless to the people of the 24th century in the Trek universe. People
> probably just beam to and from work.". But do they?
> What would the main mode of transportation be in the 24th century? Personal
> vehicles of some sort? Light rail (or the 24th century equivalent;
> anti-grav "rail", perhaps), or the transporter? I'd like to concentrate on
> the transporter....
> What role does the transporter play in 24th century society? Do most (or
> all) earth civilians have a "home transporter"? Are they available
> (legally) to civilians, but too expensive for most people? (as an aside, I
> can't accept the notion that there isn't "money" in 24th century earth.
> Something money-like is ESSENTIAL to differentiate between a brain surgeon
> and a bus boy, and between a bus boy and somebody who is too lazy to work).
> Are home transporters illegal altogether, reserved for Starfleet and
> Federation officials? Or, is there a place similar to an airport or a bus
> terminal, where you can go, pay 50 bucks, and beam yourself from Detroit to
> Sydney, Australia for a vacation?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Matty-o
>
>
I've thought of that myself. I think most people still use land based
transportation. Partly because I remember one DS9 episode where Captain
Sisko is talking to Jake about how he used up a "month's worth of
transporter credits" to beam home every night when he had gone to
college because he was missing his parents. I think this tends to make
sense simply because of the energy consumption required for the transporter.
Re: availability of transporters on 24th century earth [message #28097 ] Do, 05 Mai 2005 04:26
korvette  
Matty-o wrote:
> Hey.
>
> I was driving down I-94 in the Detroit area recently, and something popped
> into my head. I thought to myself, "Hey. This road would probably be
> useless to the people of the 24th century in the Trek universe. People
> probably just beam to and from work.". But do they?
> What would the main mode of transportation be in the 24th century? Personal
> vehicles of some sort? Light rail (or the 24th century equivalent;
> anti-grav "rail", perhaps), or the transporter? I'd like to concentrate on
> the transporter....
> What role does the transporter play in 24th century society? Do most (or
> all) earth civilians have a "home transporter"? Are they available
> (legally) to civilians, but too expensive for most people? (as an aside, I
> can't accept the notion that there isn't "money" in 24th century earth.
> Something money-like is ESSENTIAL to differentiate between a brain surgeon
> and a bus boy, and between a bus boy and somebody who is too lazy to work).
> Are home transporters illegal altogether, reserved for Starfleet and
> Federation officials? Or, is there a place similar to an airport or a bus
> terminal, where you can go, pay 50 bucks, and beam yourself from Detroit to
> Sydney, Australia for a vacation?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Matty-o
>
>

My memory of it is a little fuzzy, but I seem to remember some sort of
subway-type system running near the Academy or Starfleet command from
time to time, though I seem to remember it in DS9. I think they might
use some sort of mass-transit like that within cities or between
neighboring cities.

Transporters might be reserved for more long-distance traveling, such as
what Ben did early on in his Academy time going home for dinner each
night when he first started out.

I've never heard anything to suggest they are illegal or unavailable to
civilians, but I could see some sort of restrictions so people couldn't
just beam anywhere they wanted. We know there is still criminal
activity so you wouldn't want to give a stalker such a tool to use
freely to go after their targets.


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Re: availability of transporters on 24th century earth [message #28422 ] Sa, 07 Mai 2005 13:27
Ron Hubbard  
"Paul Stacy - Captain K'orvette zantai Reshtarc"
<korvette [at] handofkahless.com> wrote in message
news:Lvfee.49024$_t3.6636 [at] tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> Matty-o wrote:
> > Hey.
> >
> > I was driving down I-94 in the Detroit area recently, and something
popped
> > into my head. I thought to myself, "Hey. This road would probably
be
> > useless to the people of the 24th century in the Trek universe.
People
> > probably just beam to and from work.". But do they?
> > What would the main mode of transportation be in the 24th century?
Personal
> > vehicles of some sort? Light rail (or the 24th century equivalent;
> > anti-grav "rail", perhaps), or the transporter? I'd like to
concentrate on
> > the transporter....
> > What role does the transporter play in 24th century society? Do
most (or
> > all) earth civilians have a "home transporter"? Are they available
> > (legally) to civilians, but too expensive for most people? (as an
aside, I
> > can't accept the notion that there isn't "money" in 24th century
earth.
> > Something money-like is ESSENTIAL to differentiate between a brain
surgeon
> > and a bus boy, and between a bus boy and somebody who is too lazy to
work).
> > Are home transporters illegal altogether, reserved for Starfleet and
> > Federation officials? Or, is there a place similar to an airport or
a bus
> > terminal, where you can go, pay 50 bucks, and beam yourself from
Detroit to
> > Sydney, Australia for a vacation?
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Matty-o
> >
> >
>
> My memory of it is a little fuzzy, but I seem to remember some sort of
> subway-type system running near the Academy or Starfleet command from
> time to time, though I seem to remember it in DS9. I think they might
> use some sort of mass-transit like that within cities or between
> neighboring cities.
>
> Transporters might be reserved for more long-distance traveling, such
as
> what Ben did early on in his Academy time going home for dinner each
> night when he first started out.
>
> I've never heard anything to suggest they are illegal or unavailable
to
> civilians, but I could see some sort of restrictions so people
couldn't
> just beam anywhere they wanted. We know there is still criminal
> activity so you wouldn't want to give a stalker such a tool to use
> freely to go after their targets.

There was a DS9 episode where we saw transporter jammers that scramble
transporter signals. Starfleet [probably] uses them in secure
buildings, but whether civilians can buy them is anybody's guess.

Ron
Re: availability of transporters on 24th century earth [message #32418 ] Mi, 11 Mai 2005 02:46
uray  
"Matty-o" <nospam [at] nospam.com> wrote in message
news:yv-dnbwsyPO9ouXfRVn-jw [at] comcast.com...
> Hey.
>
> I was driving down I-94 in the Detroit area recently, and something popped
> into my head. I thought to myself, "Hey. This road would probably be
> useless to the people of the 24th century in the Trek universe. People
> probably just beam to and from work.". But do they?
> What would the main mode of transportation be in the 24th century?
> Personal vehicles of some sort? Light rail (or the 24th century
> equivalent; anti-grav "rail", perhaps), or the transporter? I'd like to
> concentrate on the transporter....
> What role does the transporter play in 24th century society? Do most (or
> all) earth civilians have a "home transporter"? Are they available
> (legally) to civilians, but too expensive for most people? (as an aside, I
> can't accept the notion that there isn't "money" in 24th century earth.
> Something money-like is ESSENTIAL to differentiate between a brain surgeon
> and a bus boy, and between a bus boy and somebody who is too lazy to
> work). Are home transporters illegal altogether, reserved for Starfleet
> and Federation officials? Or, is there a place similar to an airport or a
> bus terminal, where you can go, pay 50 bucks, and beam yourself from
> Detroit to Sydney, Australia for a vacation?
>
> Thoughts?

Larry Niven's Known space series. Transporters in every house brings with
it a score of problems. Can you imagine being "next door" to your boss,
parents, ex wife and everybody else you ever met? Niven also brought up
the concept of "flash crowds". Basically whenever anything interesting
happened anywhere in the world people from all over would start transporting
in creating a flash crowd. The crowd would then bring in criminal elements
looking for opportunities. Pickpocket central.
Re: availability of transporters on 24th century earth [message #32421 ] Mi, 11 Mai 2005 03:52
Snake  
> "Matty-o" <nospam [at] nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:yv-dnbwsyPO9ouXfRVn-jw [at] comcast.com...
>> Hey.
>>
>> I was driving down I-94 in the Detroit area recently, and something
>> popped into my head. I thought to myself, "Hey. This road would
>> probably be useless to the people of the 24th century in the Trek
>> universe. People probably just beam to and from work.". But do they?
>> What would the main mode of transportation be in the 24th century?
>> Personal vehicles of some sort? Light rail (or the 24th century
>> equivalent; anti-grav "rail", perhaps), or the transporter? I'd like to
>> concentrate on the transporter....
>> What role does the transporter play in 24th century society? Do most (or
>> all) earth civilians have a "home transporter"? Are they available
>> (legally) to civilians, but too expensive for most people? (as an aside,
>> I can't accept the notion that there isn't "money" in 24th century earth.
>> Something money-like is ESSENTIAL to differentiate between a brain
>> surgeon and a bus boy, and between a bus boy and somebody who is too lazy
>> to work). Are home transporters illegal altogether, reserved for
>> Starfleet and Federation officials? Or, is there a place similar to an
>> airport or a bus terminal, where you can go, pay 50 bucks, and beam
>> yourself from Detroit to Sydney, Australia for a vacation?

I believe both DS9 and ST:TMP answered those questions, each in their own
way. In TMP Kirk shows up to Starfleet Headquarters on a shuttle. Why
didn't he beam in? And, of all places, he didn't beam in to Starfleet,
where transporters must be a dime-a-dozen. And in the Director's Cut of TMP
we see a number of other shuttlecraft flying around.

In DS9 we see Sisco's father's restaurant. No transporters, all customers
walked in. And Sisco talks about using up all his "transporter rations" to
visit home when he was in the Academy.

It seems the transporter is only used when necessary - I would guess it is a
rather energy-intensive device. Walking and "mass transit" (shuttlecraft)
are used by the majority due to being much less resource intensive - Kirk
came with other passengers on the shuttlecraft to Starfleet Command in TMP.
A large shuttlecraft can easily handle more than a transporter using less
resources, and in Trek everyone seems connected, and concerned, about
everything and everyone else and therefore to do the best thing for
everyone - use less resources - I believe is natural.

The transporters are a luxury to be used when appropriate - very long
distance (across the globe when time is a bit short), emergencies, ground to
space, dignitaries, matters of import. I would guess they are on a
need-to-use basis.
Re: availability of transporters on 24th century earth [message #33062 ] Do, 12 Mai 2005 01:22
George Peatty  
On Wed, 11 May 2005 00:46:48 GMT, "uray" <remove-uray [at] att.net> wrote:

>Larry Niven's Known space series. Transporters in every house brings with
>it a score of problems. Can you imagine being "next door" to your boss,
>parents, ex wife and everybody else you ever met? Niven also brought up
>the concept of "flash crowds". Basically whenever anything interesting
>happened anywhere in the world people from all over would start transporting
>in creating a flash crowd. The crowd would then bring in criminal elements
>looking for opportunities. Pickpocket central.

When Star Trek XXXVIII: The Search for Quality opens (still produced by
Rick Berman, btw), how do you tell who's first in line, when everyone has a
transporter?
Re: availability of transporters on 24th century earth [message #33086 ] Do, 12 Mai 2005 04:41
Snake  
"George Peatty" <pttyg47-1230 [at] copper.net> wrote in message
news:jq4581djfu2dkn2ru6hq6cl5bnjvj53usj [at] 4ax.com...
> On Wed, 11 May 2005 00:46:48 GMT, "uray" <remove-uray [at] att.net> wrote:
>
>>Larry Niven's Known space series. Transporters in every house brings with
>>it a score of problems. Can you imagine being "next door" to your boss,
>>parents, ex wife and everybody else you ever met? Niven also brought up
>>the concept of "flash crowds". Basically whenever anything interesting
>>happened anywhere in the world people from all over would start
>>transporting
>>in creating a flash crowd. The crowd would then bring in criminal
>>elements
>>looking for opportunities. Pickpocket central.
>
> When Star Trek XXXVIII: The Search for Quality opens (still produced by
> Rick Berman, btw), how do you tell who's first in line, when everyone has
> a
> transporter?

ROFL!
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