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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » Re: Is there any way to salvage Enterprise Yes, a cast transplant
Re: Is there any way to salvage Enterprise Yes, a cast transplant [message #26645] Di, 03 Mai 2005 01:26
D  
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In article <09wde.8115$yd1.5538 [at] trndny01>, "Maria Vitale"
<nightowl.feaa [at] verizon.net> wrote:

> The only thing that has always been interesting in science fiction
> has been to always look forward and each of the ST series has

You assume that "looking forward" means advancing in time. But science
fiction is more than just the future. It explores different ideas, events,
settings, situations. There is no reason why a successful Trek had to take
place in years after Voyager. The limits placed upon them by previous shows
still exist. They still have to refer to the Federation, Starfleet, etc.


> They had to rush to incorporate many things that they knew would
> not be commonplace for that time period:
>
> -- warp drive above warp 5
> -- tranporter technology for human as opposed to cargo use
> -- replicator technology for food production

They didn't need to incorporate any of this. In fact, in their sloppiness,
they ignored some of it. For instance, in "Broken Bow" we suddenly learned
that the Klingon Empire was located somewhere inside the Oort Cloud. This
was rather ridiculous, because the original series implied that the Klingons
were some distance from Earth. (Even ST:TMP stated that it would take
awhile for V'Ger to travel from Klingon space to Earth, but 100 years
earlier the Klingon Empire was apparently much closer to Earth?)



> They could have gone beyond Voyager's time period or explored
> the whole Section 13 for once. Or even tackled a series revolving
> around young cadets at Starfleet Academy.

But this contradicts what you just wrote. After all, if a successful Trek
had to take place _after_ Voyager, then why are these subjects necessary?
Couldn't they have done a Starfleet Academy show for any time period,
because they would not be running across the galaxy.


> And as much as I personally have always liked Scott Bakula, I
> never bought him as a Starfleet captain, I'm sorry. Completely
> wrong for the part.

Agreed.




D
Re: Is there any way to salvage Enterprise Yes, a cast transplant from Farscape. [message #26650 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 03:06
Jaxtraw  
"D" <Z5rkonic [at] nonearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:pGyde.2787$pe3.1052 [at] newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> ----------
> In article <09wde.8115$yd1.5538 [at] trndny01>, "Maria Vitale"
> <nightowl.feaa [at] verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > The only thing that has always been interesting in science fiction
> > has been to always look forward and each of the ST series has
>
> You assume that "looking forward" means advancing in time. But science
> fiction is more than just the future. It explores different ideas,
events,
> settings, situations. There is no reason why a successful Trek had to
take
> place in years after Voyager. The limits placed upon them by previous
shows
> still exist. They still have to refer to the Federation, Starfleet, etc.
>
>
> > They had to rush to incorporate many things that they knew would
> > not be commonplace for that time period:
> >
> > -- warp drive above warp 5
> > -- tranporter technology for human as opposed to cargo use
> > -- replicator technology for food production
>
> They didn't need to incorporate any of this. In fact, in their
sloppiness,
> they ignored some of it. For instance, in "Broken Bow" we suddenly
learned
> that the Klingon Empire was located somewhere inside the Oort Cloud. This
> was rather ridiculous, because the original series implied that the
Klingons
> were some distance from Earth. (Even ST:TMP stated that it would take
> awhile for V'Ger to travel from Klingon space to Earth, but 100 years
> earlier the Klingon Empire was apparently much closer to Earth?)

Shome mishtake shurely. The Oort Cloud is part of our solar system!

Ian
Re: Is there any way to salvage Enterprise Yes, a cast transplant from Farscape. [message #26653 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 03:59
rgorman  
On Mon, 02 May 2005 23:26:13 GMT, "D" <Z5rkonic [at] nonearthlink.net>
wrote:


>
>They didn't need to incorporate any of this. In fact, in their sloppiness,
>they ignored some of it. For instance, in "Broken Bow" we suddenly learned
>that the Klingon Empire was located somewhere inside the Oort Cloud.

I learned no such thing. But then I know that warp drive moves at the
speed of plot.
Re: Is there any way to salvage Enterprise Yes, a cast [message #26660 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 06:08
ANIM8Rfsk  
in article 4276cdce$0$566$ed2e19e4 [at] ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net, Jaxtraw at
jaxtraw [at] nospamnobigfoot.com wrote on 5/2/05 6:06 PM:

> "D" <Z5rkonic [at] nonearthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:pGyde.2787$pe3.1052 [at] newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> ----------
>> In article <09wde.8115$yd1.5538 [at] trndny01>, "Maria Vitale"
>> <nightowl.feaa [at] verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The only thing that has always been interesting in science fiction
>>> has been to always look forward and each of the ST series has
>>
>> You assume that "looking forward" means advancing in time. But science
>> fiction is more than just the future. It explores different ideas,
> events,
>> settings, situations. There is no reason why a successful Trek had to
> take
>> place in years after Voyager. The limits placed upon them by previous
> shows
>> still exist. They still have to refer to the Federation, Starfleet, etc.
>>
>>
>>> They had to rush to incorporate many things that they knew would
>>> not be commonplace for that time period:
>>>
>>> -- warp drive above warp 5
>>> -- tranporter technology for human as opposed to cargo use
>>> -- replicator technology for food production
>>
>> They didn't need to incorporate any of this. In fact, in their
> sloppiness,
>> they ignored some of it. For instance, in "Broken Bow" we suddenly
> learned
>> that the Klingon Empire was located somewhere inside the Oort Cloud. This
>> was rather ridiculous, because the original series implied that the
> Klingons
>> were some distance from Earth. (Even ST:TMP stated that it would take
>> awhile for V'Ger to travel from Klingon space to Earth, but 100 years
>> earlier the Klingon Empire was apparently much closer to Earth?)
>
> Shome mishtake shurely. The Oort Cloud is part of our solar system!
>
> Ian
>
Yep. But they specifically said how fast ENTERPRISE went, in real world
units, and then how long it took to get to the Klingon home world. Worked
out to about .8 light years.
Re: Is there any way to salvage Enterprise Yes, a cast transplant from Farscape. [message #26662 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 07:49
rgorman  
On Mon, 02 May 2005 21:08:12 -0700, ANIM8Rfsk <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net>
wrote:


>Yep. But they specifically said how fast ENTERPRISE went, in real world
>units, and then how long it took to get to the Klingon home world. Worked
>out to about .8 light years.

And you are still way too impressed by that.
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