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Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #23812] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 05:58
Kevin Saliga  
All in all, I thought the movie was good. I've seen reviews from long-time
fans that said the movie was nothing like the book, and was therefore
terrible. I've seen reviews from people that never read the book that say
it was all inside humor, and only a long-time fan could enjoy it.

As a fan, I liked it. It wasn't the book, the TV show, or the radio series.
And in fact, none of those three were any of the others either. Things
needed to be changed to make the movie appealing to a wider audience. I
think Douglas understood that, and in fact made many of the changes to keep
the balance right.

I hope the movie does well enough to prompt a sequel. But then, I'll be
most nervous! That will be the first remix of the series without Douglas -
that one will be questionable to the end. (Of course, they're doing the new
radio shows, too, so will those be as critical?)

-Kevin
Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #23837 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 09:41
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #26878 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 02:16
Sundog  
The best and simplest argument I've seen against the movie is:

Imagine Monty Python... Americanized.

Eeeeeeeew. Says it all, right there.

------------------------------------------------------------ ----------
www.hitchhikersucks.com


"Kevin Saliga" <ksaliga [at] emdat.com> wrote in message
news:117b9a9ppb0nn8b [at] news.supernews.com...
> All in all, I thought the movie was good. I've seen reviews from
long-time
> fans that said the movie was nothing like the book, and was therefore
> terrible. I've seen reviews from people that never read the book that say
> it was all inside humor, and only a long-time fan could enjoy it.
>
> As a fan, I liked it. It wasn't the book, the TV show, or the radio
series.
> And in fact, none of those three were any of the others either. Things
> needed to be changed to make the movie appealing to a wider audience. I
> think Douglas understood that, and in fact made many of the changes to
keep
> the balance right.
>
> I hope the movie does well enough to prompt a sequel. But then, I'll be
> most nervous! That will be the first remix of the series without
Douglas -
> that one will be questionable to the end. (Of course, they're doing the
new
> radio shows, too, so will those be as critical?)
>
> -Kevin
>
>
Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #26884 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 03:13
Dave Adalian  
It's called Kids in the Hall. North Americanized, yes, but fucking
wonderful. Try it.


Chiggy.

"Sundog" <sundog [at] hitchhikersucks.com> wrote in message
news:Ppzde.444$7U.172 [at] newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
> The best and simplest argument I've seen against the movie is:
>
> Imagine Monty Python... Americanized.
Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #26903 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 10:04
Ammut  
"Kevin Saliga" <ksaliga [at] emdat.com> wrote in message
news:117b9a9ppb0nn8b [at] news.supernews.com...
> All in all, I thought the movie was good. I've seen reviews from
long-time
> fans that said the movie was nothing like the book, and was therefore
> terrible. I've seen reviews from people that never read the book that say
> it was all inside humor, and only a long-time fan could enjoy it.
>
> As a fan, I liked it. It wasn't the book, the TV show, or the radio
series.
> And in fact, none of those three were any of the others either. Things
> needed to be changed to make the movie appealing to a wider audience. I
> think Douglas understood that, and in fact made many of the changes to
keep
> the balance right.
>
> I hope the movie does well enough to prompt a sequel. But then, I'll be
> most nervous! That will be the first remix of the series without
Douglas -
> that one will be questionable to the end. (Of course, they're doing the
new
> radio shows, too, so will those be as critical?)
>
> -Kevin

As a stand-alone movie, it was alright. I wouldn't say "good", but I
wouldn't say "bad". But frankly, as something bearing the name "Hitch
Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy", it left a lot to be desired. That name
represents more than a story, it represents the style in which the story is
told. I found that style depressingly lacking.

-Ammut
Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #27551 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 15:59
Kevin Saliga  
"Ammut" <stace8383 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d57bra$6bf$1 [at] lust.ihug.co.nz...
>
> As a stand-alone movie, it was alright. I wouldn't say "good", but I
> wouldn't say "bad". But frankly, as something bearing the name "Hitch
> Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy", it left a lot to be desired. That name
> represents more than a story, it represents the style in which the story
> is
> told. I found that style depressingly lacking.
>

I had mixed feelings after seeing the movie. After a few days to reflect,
and read some reviews, I discovered that I went into the movie expecting two
movies. I expected to see a movie that was a perfect reflection of the
series, unadulterated Douglas Adams put into film. I also expected to see a
movie that was almost but not entirely completely unlike the book, changed
to be something that was made for film. I didn't realize I was expecting
these things, which totally conflicted with each other. But afterwards, the
extremely improbable happened - I realized I got exactly what I expected - I
got pieces of Adams done fairly well on screen, mixed with totally changed
stuff. Some of it didn't work, but in general it was a good mix.

I imagine I was happy with the movie because I didn't know what to expect -
I went in thinking anything was possible. For those that went in demanding
pure Adams, they got pure crap. For those wanting a sci-fi comedy similar
to Men In Black In Space, they got pure crap. I expected a little bit of
everything, and got just that.

It's really a Catch-22. Unless you want to personally dedicate millions of
dollars to making a film that aligns with your point of view, you've got to
take what you're given. (Insert unintended point-of-view gun joke here.)
The studio wants to not only make back it's investment, but profit from it -
so you're going to have to appeal to a larger audience. If you don't do
that, the movie doesn't get made, and we complain that it's taking so long
to get the movie made, it's stalled!

I can understand creative criticism of a movie - what worked, what didn't,
what you liked, what you didn't like - but to totally trash a movie because
it didn't fit into your pre-conceived notion of what it should be like is a
waste of time. I'm thrilled to death we got to see this movie. Parts could
have been better, but in the end - nothing you change will please everybody.
Which, I guess was my original point.
Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #27552 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 17:04
nacey  
Dave Adalian wrote:
> It's called Kids in the Hall. North Americanized, yes, but fucking
> wonderful. Try it.
>

If I were Canadian, I'd be totally insulted. I'll be insulted for my
Commonwealth Brethren instead. Canada is *nothing* like America.

For a starters, there are far more sane people living there.

But yes - Kids in the Hall is hilarious.

Nancy.
Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #27553 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 17:04
nacey  
Ammut wrote:

> "Kevin Saliga" <ksaliga [at] emdat.com> wrote in message
> news:117b9a9ppb0nn8b [at] news.supernews.com...
>
>>All in all, I thought the movie was good. I've seen reviews from
>
> long-time
>
>>fans that said the movie was nothing like the book, and was therefore
>>terrible. I've seen reviews from people that never read the book that say
>>it was all inside humor, and only a long-time fan could enjoy it.
>>
>>As a fan, I liked it. It wasn't the book, the TV show, or the radio
>
> series.
>
>>And in fact, none of those three were any of the others either. Things
>>needed to be changed to make the movie appealing to a wider audience. I
>>think Douglas understood that, and in fact made many of the changes to
>
> keep
>
>>the balance right.
>>
>>I hope the movie does well enough to prompt a sequel. But then, I'll be
>>most nervous! That will be the first remix of the series without
>
> Douglas -
>
>>that one will be questionable to the end. (Of course, they're doing the
>
> new
>
>>radio shows, too, so will those be as critical?)
>>
>>-Kevin
>
>
> As a stand-alone movie, it was alright. I wouldn't say "good", but I
> wouldn't say "bad". But frankly, as something bearing the name "Hitch
> Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy", it left a lot to be desired. That name
> represents more than a story, it represents the style in which the story is
> told. I found that style depressingly lacking.
>
> -Ammut

You said exactly how I feel in one simple paragraph. Thank you!

Nancy.
Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #27559 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 20:15
Dave Adalian  
"nacey" <nacey [at] nospam.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:427792df$0$12805$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
>
> Dave Adalian wrote:
>> It's called Kids in the Hall. North Americanized, yes, but fucking
>> wonderful. Try it.
>>
>
> If I were Canadian, I'd be totally insulted. I'll be insulted for my
> Commonwealth Brethren instead. Canada is *nothing* like America.
>
> For a starters, there are far more sane people living there.
>
> But yes - Kids in the Hall is hilarious.
>
> Nancy.

You have no idea what you're talking about. This is simply prejudice.
Canada is very much like America, so much so it almost indistinguishable in
many ways. I doubt you've ever visited either.


Chiggy.
Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #27613 ] Mi, 04 Mai 2005 04:05
nacey  
Dave Adalian wrote:

> "nacey" <nacey [at] nospam.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:427792df$0$12805$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
>>
>>Dave Adalian wrote:
>>
>>>It's called Kids in the Hall. North Americanized, yes, but fucking
>>>wonderful. Try it.
>>>
>>
>>If I were Canadian, I'd be totally insulted. I'll be insulted for my
>>Commonwealth Brethren instead. Canada is *nothing* like America.
>>
>>For a starters, there are far more sane people living there.
>>
>>But yes - Kids in the Hall is hilarious.
>>
>>Nancy.
>
>
> You have no idea what you're talking about. This is simply prejudice.
> Canada is very much like America, so much so it almost indistinguishable in
> many ways. I doubt you've ever visited either.

I've been to America, yes, and I know a *lot* of Canadians and learnt a
lot about the culture. Superficially they might be similar but they are
very *very* different.

It's like saying Australians and New Zealanders are the same.

Nancy.
Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #27621 ] Mi, 04 Mai 2005 05:17
Dave Adalian  
"nacey" <nacey [at] nospam.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:42782df5$0$27565$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
>
> Dave Adalian wrote:
>
>> "nacey" <nacey [at] nospam.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:427792df$0$12805$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>
>>>
>>>Dave Adalian wrote:
>>>
>>>>It's called Kids in the Hall. North Americanized, yes, but fucking
>>>>wonderful. Try it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If I were Canadian, I'd be totally insulted. I'll be insulted for my
>>>Commonwealth Brethren instead. Canada is *nothing* like America.
>>>
>>>For a starters, there are far more sane people living there.
>>>
>>>But yes - Kids in the Hall is hilarious.
>>>
>>>Nancy.
>>
>>
>> You have no idea what you're talking about. This is simply prejudice.
>> Canada is very much like America, so much so it almost indistinguishable
>> in many ways. I doubt you've ever visited either.
>
> I've been to America, yes, and I know a *lot* of Canadians and learnt a
> lot about the culture. Superficially they might be similar but they are
> very *very* different.
>
> It's like saying Australians and New Zealanders are the same.

They are very much similar; I say this having known many of them, including
my Australian best friend from high school. And that's still a whopping
slab of bias regarding Americans on your part. All people are much the same
everywhere. It's the behavior, usually bad, of a few high-profile
individuals that gives an impression of difference, and that difference is
what is superficial. Having vastly more real experience than you on the
subject of Americans and Canadians, I believe your opinion is uninformed.


Chiggy.
Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #27626 ] Mi, 04 Mai 2005 06:02
nacey  
Dave Adalian wrote:

> "nacey" <nacey [at] nospam.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:42782df5$0$27565$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
>>
>>Dave Adalian wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"nacey" <nacey [at] nospam.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>>>news:427792df$0$12805$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dave Adalian wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>It's called Kids in the Hall. North Americanized, yes, but fucking
>>>>>wonderful. Try it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If I were Canadian, I'd be totally insulted. I'll be insulted for my
>>>>Commonwealth Brethren instead. Canada is *nothing* like America.
>>>>
>>>>For a starters, there are far more sane people living there.
>>>>
>>>>But yes - Kids in the Hall is hilarious.
>>>>
>>>>Nancy.
>>>
>>>
>>>You have no idea what you're talking about. This is simply prejudice.
>>>Canada is very much like America, so much so it almost indistinguishable
>>>in many ways. I doubt you've ever visited either.
>>
>>I've been to America, yes, and I know a *lot* of Canadians and learnt a
>>lot about the culture. Superficially they might be similar but they are
>>very *very* different.
>>
>>It's like saying Australians and New Zealanders are the same.
>
>
> They are very much similar; I say this having known many of them, including
> my Australian best friend from high school.

Heh. They are *similar*, but they are not the same. That was my point.
They speak different, they call things different things. They do the
same things that most humans do (drink, have sex, have jobs, argue, act
like arseholes and do random extraordinary acts of kindness) but they do
have cultural differences. This was my point concerning Canada.

And that's still a whopping
> slab of bias regarding Americans on your part.

Sorry, it was a joke. Disregard that particular point.

All people are much the same
> everywhere. It's the behavior, usually bad, of a few high-profile
> individuals that gives an impression of difference,

I'm not going to say what provides me with that 'bias', as it'll just
piss people off and cause a shitstorm. I do have a *lot* of American
friends. I've visited the place, become a part of a family there, I
have a deep affection for America.

But it's like loving tigers. You know it's beautiful and majestic but
you also know it can be dangerous and can rip your frigging head off.

<snip>

Having vastly more real experience than you on the
> subject of Americans and Canadians, I believe your opinion is uninformed.

You have absolutely no idea of my experiences since I never told you
what experiences I've had. And just because you've had a 'good friend'
that's Australian, it likewise doesn't mean a lot in the 'proof' department.

Nancy.
Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #29274 ] Mi, 04 Mai 2005 15:46
Kevin Saliga  
Honestly, all you Earthlings look the same to me.

"nacey" <nacey [at] nospam.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:42784947$0$27546$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
>
> Dave Adalian wrote:
>
>> "nacey" <nacey [at] nospam.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:42782df5$0$27565$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>
>>>
>>>Dave Adalian wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"nacey" <nacey [at] nospam.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>>>>news:427792df$0$12805$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Dave Adalian wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>It's called Kids in the Hall. North Americanized, yes, but fucking
>>>>>>wonderful. Try it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>If I were Canadian, I'd be totally insulted. I'll be insulted for my
>>>>>Commonwealth Brethren instead. Canada is *nothing* like America.
>>>>>
>>>>>For a starters, there are far more sane people living there.
>>>>>
>>>>>But yes - Kids in the Hall is hilarious.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nancy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You have no idea what you're talking about. This is simply prejudice.
>>>>Canada is very much like America, so much so it almost indistinguishable
>>>>in many ways. I doubt you've ever visited either.
>>>
>>>I've been to America, yes, and I know a *lot* of Canadians and learnt a
>>>lot about the culture. Superficially they might be similar but they are
>>>very *very* different.
>>>
>>>It's like saying Australians and New Zealanders are the same.
>>
>>
>> They are very much similar; I say this having known many of them,
>> including my Australian best friend from high school.
>
> Heh. They are *similar*, but they are not the same. That was my point.
> They speak different, they call things different things. They do the same
> things that most humans do (drink, have sex, have jobs, argue, act like
> arseholes and do random extraordinary acts of kindness) but they do have
> cultural differences. This was my point concerning Canada.
>
> And that's still a whopping
>> slab of bias regarding Americans on your part.
>
> Sorry, it was a joke. Disregard that particular point.
>
> All people are much the same
>> everywhere. It's the behavior, usually bad, of a few high-profile
>> individuals that gives an impression of difference,
>
> I'm not going to say what provides me with that 'bias', as it'll just piss
> people off and cause a shitstorm. I do have a *lot* of American friends.
> I've visited the place, become a part of a family there, I have a deep
> affection for America.
>
> But it's like loving tigers. You know it's beautiful and majestic but you
> also know it can be dangerous and can rip your frigging head off.
>
> <snip>
>
> Having vastly more real experience than you on the
>> subject of Americans and Canadians, I believe your opinion is uninformed.
>
> You have absolutely no idea of my experiences since I never told you what
> experiences I've had. And just because you've had a 'good friend' that's
> Australian, it likewise doesn't mean a lot in the 'proof' department.
>
> Nancy.
Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #29280 ] Mi, 04 Mai 2005 17:44
Fat Sam  
nacey wrote:
>
>
> Dave Adalian wrote:
>
>> It's called Kids in the Hall. North Americanized, yes, but fucking
>> wonderful. Try it.
>>
>
> If I were Canadian, I'd be totally insulted. I'll be insulted for my
> Commonwealth Brethren instead. Canada is *nothing* like America.
>
> For a starters, there are far more sane people living there.
>
> But yes - Kids in the Hall is hilarious.
>
> Nancy.

Is that the show with the "I'm squashing your head" sketch?

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Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #29292 ] Mi, 04 Mai 2005 19:35
jodelli  
On Tue, 3 May 2005 20:17:07 -0700, "Dave Adalian" <dpalta [at] comcast.net>
wrote:

>They are very much similar; I say this having known many of them, including
>my Australian best friend from high school. And that's still a whopping
>slab of bias regarding Americans on your part. All people are much the same
>everywhere. It's the behavior, usually bad, of a few high-profile
>individuals that gives an impression of difference, and that difference is
>what is superficial. Having vastly more real experience than you on the
>subject of Americans and Canadians, I believe your opinion is uninformed.
>
>
>Chiggy.
>
Having vastly more experience than nearly anybody, anywhere on the
subject of Americans and Canadians, I can say that within the context
of all things earthly, the two peoples are mostly similar. But
Canadians don't have Detroit.

jodelli
Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #29303 ] Mi, 04 Mai 2005 21:31
Fat Sam  
jodelli wrote:
> On Tue, 3 May 2005 20:17:07 -0700, "Dave Adalian" <dpalta [at] comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>They are very much similar; I say this having known many of them, including
>>my Australian best friend from high school. And that's still a whopping
>>slab of bias regarding Americans on your part. All people are much the same
>>everywhere. It's the behavior, usually bad, of a few high-profile
>>individuals that gives an impression of difference, and that difference is
>>what is superficial. Having vastly more real experience than you on the
>>subject of Americans and Canadians, I believe your opinion is uninformed.
>>
>>
>>Chiggy.
>>
>
> Having vastly more experience than nearly anybody, anywhere on the
> subject of Americans and Canadians, I can say that within the context
> of all things earthly, the two peoples are mostly similar. But
> Canadians don't have Detroit.

Okay, either you're the Canadian Ambassador to America, or you're the
American Ambassador to Canada....Which is it? ;-)


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Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #29345 ] Do, 05 Mai 2005 09:04
Dave Adalian  
"jodelli" <jodelli [at] thenuthouse.ca> wrote in message
news:jf1i7119bjjqsj1buo6dsv3ilcm8shp15l [at] 4ax.com...
> On Tue, 3 May 2005 20:17:07 -0700, "Dave Adalian" <dpalta [at] comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>They are very much similar; I say this having known many of them,
>>including
>>my Australian best friend from high school. And that's still a whopping
>>slab of bias regarding Americans on your part. All people are much the
>>same
>>everywhere. It's the behavior, usually bad, of a few high-profile
>>individuals that gives an impression of difference, and that difference is
>>what is superficial. Having vastly more real experience than you on the
>>subject of Americans and Canadians, I believe your opinion is uninformed.
>>
>>
>>Chiggy.
>>
> Having vastly more experience than nearly anybody, anywhere on the
> subject of Americans and Canadians, I can say that within the context
> of all things earthly, the two peoples are mostly similar. But
> Canadians don't have Detroit.
>
> jodelli

They've got B.C., which is a heavy check in the plus column.


Chiggy.
Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #29346 ] Do, 05 Mai 2005 09:07
Dave Adalian  
"Fat Sam" <janetandsam [at] beeteeinternet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3ds8vgF6oml5dU1 [at] individual.net...
>>> It's called Kids in the Hall. North Americanized, yes, but fucking
>>> wonderful. Try it.
>
> Is that the show with the "I'm squashing your head" sketch?

That's the one. Hmm... Flathead!


Chiggy.
Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #29388 ] Do, 05 Mai 2005 20:52
jodelli  
On Wed, 4 May 2005 19:31:29 +0000 (UTC), Fat Sam
>
>Okay, either you're the Canadian Ambassador to America, or you're the
>American Ambassador to Canada....Which is it? ;-)

Both.
Actually, no. I'll leave that to the likes of Mr. Beeblebrox. I'm just
a Canuck who lives on the edge... of Detroit, who deals with people of
both nationalities nearly every single day every day(who's
redundant?), has crossed the border more times than can be recalled(oh
c'mon now), okay, hundreds of times,(no, really), dozen's? (Yeah,
right). Ok, once on the first of July, or was that the fourth...(you
forgot all those games, shows, bars, ski trips, business, etc.) oh
yeah, that's right, well, sometimes, anyway.
Anyway, up until about three and a half years ago I did practically
live in both worlds. That's all, no big deal. There are thousands of
people with more experience than me on the subject of Americans and
Canadians. But in a cast of billions that is an insignificant
percentage.

jodelli
Re: Can't Please All of the People All of the Time [message #29389 ] Do, 05 Mai 2005 20:54
jodelli  
On Thu, 5 May 2005 00:04:49 -0700, "Dave Adalian" <dpalta [at] comcast.net>
wrote:

>They've got B.C., which is a heavy check in the plus column.
>
>
>Chiggy.
>

Oh yeah, it's beautiful out there.

jodelli
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