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movie bad. [message #23793] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 02:40
lisalou123  
awful! bad! terrible! do not, I repeat do not see this movie...
yes, the fabric puppets are funny and the bit in the beginning with the
dolphins fools us into thinking this movie might actually not be so
bad... but they leave out some of the very best Adams and add...?
add--garbage.
The credits say this movie is "For Douglas" For Douglas? For Douglas?
Douglas is turning over in his grave right now, cursing Allen Bell
(director) and Karey Kirkpatrick (the other screenwriter), having a
long, hot soak in his tub with a couple of pints.
Re: movie bad. [message #23795 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 02:57
jdcrofts  
Um, just because there's stuff in the movie that wasn't in the books
doesn't mean they made it up completely without douglas' consent... do
you think that the fans of the radio show weren't enraged when the
books were so different? and here you are saying that the books are the
end-all be-all of what douglas adams is. I have read all 5 books
several times, as well as the radio show scripts, and I loved the
movie. Sure, it didn't follow the books verbatim, but it was still a
masterpiece I feel douglas would be proud of.
Re: movie bad. [message #23796 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 03:40
Frankymole  
lisalou123 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> awful! bad! terrible! do not, I repeat do not see this movie...
> yes, the fabric puppets are funny and the bit in the beginning with
> the dolphins fools us into thinking this movie might actually not be
> so bad... but they leave out some of the very best Adams and add...?
> add--garbage.
> The credits say this movie is "For Douglas" For Douglas? For Douglas?
> Douglas is turning over in his grave right now,

He was cremated.

> cursing Allen Bell

Not Alan J.W. Bell?

> (director) and Karey Kirkpatrick (the other screenwriter), having a
> long, hot soak in his tub with a couple of pints.

?

--
Frank
"Nobody will ever win the battle of the sexes. There's too much
fraternizing with the enemy." - Henry Kissinger
Re: movie bad. [message #23806 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 05:23
RobMac  
<lisalou123 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1114994455.405961.17760 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> awful! bad! terrible! do not, I repeat do not see this movie...
> yes, the fabric puppets are funny and the bit in the beginning with the
> dolphins fools us into thinking this movie might actually not be so
> bad... but they leave out some of the very best Adams and add...?
> add--garbage.
The added "garbage" was written by Douglas Adams...I'm sure he'd appreciate
knowing his new approach to his own material (which he's done with every
incarnation) is thought to be garbage.

> The credits say this movie is "For Douglas" For Douglas? For Douglas?
> Douglas is turning over in his grave right now, cursing Allen Bell
> (director) and Karey Kirkpatrick (the other screenwriter), having a
> long, hot soak in his tub with a couple of pints.
>

Being Douglas spent 20+ years writing the movie you saw, it's only because
he died 4 years ago that he can't explain that to you in person.
Re: movie bad. [message #23838 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 09:49
Dirty Steve  
I bet you cry when you masturbate, don't you?


<lisalou123 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1114994455.405961.17760 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> awful! bad! terrible! do not, I repeat do not see this movie...
> yes, the fabric puppets are funny and the bit in the beginning with the
> dolphins fools us into thinking this movie might actually not be so
> bad... but they leave out some of the very best Adams and add...?
> add--garbage.
> The credits say this movie is "For Douglas" For Douglas? For Douglas?
> Douglas is turning over in his grave right now, cursing Allen Bell
> (director) and Karey Kirkpatrick (the other screenwriter), having a
> long, hot soak in his tub with a couple of pints.
>
Re: movie bad. [message #23840 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 10:07
Gaz  
lisalou123 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> awful! bad! terrible! do not, I repeat do not see this movie...

Or, *do* see the movie and make your own mind up.

--
Gaz
Re: movie bad. [message #23841 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 11:06
Kieran John  
lisalou123 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> awful! bad! terrible! do not, I repeat do not see this movie...
> yes, the fabric puppets are funny and the bit in the beginning with the
> dolphins fools us into thinking this movie might actually not be so
> bad... but they leave out some of the very best Adams and add...?
> add--garbage.
> The credits say this movie is "For Douglas" For Douglas? For Douglas?
> Douglas is turning over in his grave right now, cursing Allen Bell
> (director) and Karey Kirkpatrick (the other screenwriter), having a
> long, hot soak in his tub with a couple of pints.
>
So many harsh replies to this e-mail. It's honest and whilst I believe
everyone should go to the cinema to see the movie, I still think this
persons's view stands up.

It IS a bad movie, and those long time posters on here know i've been a
fan of DNA for a good many years.

It was kinda fun but it wasn't Douglas Adams at all, sure some of the
extra bits were wrote by him, and I'm not going to whine about how they
cut some (absolutely brilliant) bits out, in the end it's how they've
translated the jokes that remained and the new material in to a film.
What it boils down to is, for fans and non-fans... it wasn't a brilliant
film and I'd go as far as to say it was bad.

It had severe pacing and plot problems. It didn't make much sense to me,
so god help people who aren't fans of h2g2. The majority of the jokes in
it were plain not funny. It was like a story told in the Hitchhiker's
universe but it wasn't hitchhikers.

There were some great bits... any bits featuring the Guide, Marvin was
cool, the Vogon's looked awesome.

But at least Jim Carrey wasn't Ford Prefect eh?
Re: movie bad. [message #23844 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 12:20
Forrest  
lisalou123 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> awful! bad! terrible!

But better than two(+) of the Star Trek movies, two of the Alien movies,
one of the Naked Gun movies, and Mars Attacks. I could go on.



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Re: movie bad. [message #26840 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 18:42
nacey  
Kieran John wrote:


> But at least Jim Carrey wasn't Ford Prefect eh?

Didn't really need him with the Zaphod we ended up with.

Nancy.
Re: movie bad. [message #26851 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 22:21
Dave Adalian  
ROFL!



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>I bet you cry when you masturbate, don't you?
Re: movie bad. [message #26852 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 22:20
Dave Adalian  
ROFL!



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>I bet you cry when you masturbate, don't you?
Re: movie bad. [message #26854 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 22:42
Fat Sam  
lisalou123 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> awful! bad! terrible! do not, I repeat do not see this movie...

Stop it....Just fucking stop it right now.....

I'm sick of people telling me I must not go and see this film....

I will go and see the film tomorrow afternoon, regardless of what you
tell me to do....

If, in my opinion it is a good film, I will enjoy it....
If, in my opinion it is a bad film, then I won't enjoy it....

However, I will make that decision for myself....You will not make it
for me....


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Re: movie bad. [message #26859 ] Mo, 02 Mai 2005 23:08
Kaare Fiedler Christi  
Forrest wrote:
> lisalou123 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> awful! bad! terrible!
>
>
> But better than two(+) of the Star Trek movies, two of the Alien movies,
> one of the Naked Gun movies, and Mars Attacks. I could go on.

Mars Attacks was okay, and I only think Alien IV was horrible (or has
there been an Alien V I haven't seen?) As for Star Trek, at least two, yes.

Best
Kåre
Re: movie bad. [message #26877 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 02:14
Sundog  
Nonsense. M.J. Simpson is one of the world's leading experts on Douglas and
his work and he couldn't have hated it more. You can read his reviews at
www.planetmagrathea.com or at the link just below, where it is reprinted in
full by permission. I recommend the long version.

I can only surmise that people who think it resembled the books/radio
plays/TV shows in any way simply weren't paying much attention and never
really "got" it in the first place. The movie is an abomination.

-------------------------------------------------
www.hitchhikersucks.com


"RobMac" <rpmccartney [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:s4Odnf8K4KalAOjfRVn-qg [at] comcast.com...
>
> Being Douglas spent 20+ years writing the movie you saw, it's only because
> he died 4 years ago that he can't explain that to you in person.
>
>
Re: movie bad. [message #26881 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 02:45
RobMac  
"Sundog" <sundog [at] hitchhikersucks.com> wrote in message
news:0ozde.442$7U.329 [at] newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
> Nonsense. M.J. Simpson is one of the world's leading experts on Douglas
and
> his work and he couldn't have hated it more. You can read his reviews at
> www.planetmagrathea.com or at the link just below, where it is reprinted
in
> full by permission. I recommend the long version.
>
> I can only surmise that people who think it resembled the books/radio
> plays/TV shows in any way simply weren't paying much attention and never
> really "got" it in the first place. The movie is an abomination.
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> www.hitchhikersucks.com
>
>
> "RobMac" <rpmccartney [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:s4Odnf8K4KalAOjfRVn-qg [at] comcast.com...
> >
> > Being Douglas spent 20+ years writing the movie you saw, it's only
because
> > he died 4 years ago that he can't explain that to you in person.
> >
> >
>
>

Says you. I enjoyed it and at the end of the day THAT'S all that matters.

Why are people like you on a crusade against people who actually ENJOY
something you don't? Don't you have anything better to do?
Re: movie bad. [message #26883 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 03:07
docdude316  
RobMac wrote:
> "Sundog" <sundog [at] hitchhikersucks.com> wrote in message
> news:0ozde.442$7U.329 [at] newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
>
>>Nonsense. M.J. Simpson is one of the world's leading experts on Douglas
>
> and
>
>>his work and he couldn't have hated it more. You can read his reviews at
>>www.planetmagrathea.com or at the link just below, where it is reprinted
> in full by permission. I recommend the long version.

My fiancee is one of the world's leading experts on me that doesn't make
her always right. The Pope is the world's leading expert on Catholics,
does that mean you can't disagree with him? Just because someone is an
expert it doesn't mean they are right. I'd like to know what other
experts such as his family think. I'd also like to know what others who
have writeen books about DNA such as Neil Gaiman think.

-Doc
Re: movie bad. [message #26885 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 03:21
Dave Adalian  
"RobMac" <rpmccartney [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:GdadnaBTJZgzVOvfRVn-2A [at] comcast.com...
>
> "Sundog" <sundog [at] hitchhikersucks.com> wrote in message
> news:0ozde.442$7U.329 [at] newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...

> Says you. I enjoyed it and at the end of the day THAT'S all that matters.
>
> Why are people like you on a crusade against people who actually ENJOY
> something you don't? Don't you have anything better to do?

Good on you, Rob! That's telling it like it is. I think it's bloody
obvious Simpson was done and bored with h2g2 and let his loss of that spark
cloud his opinion. I loved the movie, and the Guide is better off for its
being made.


Chiggy.

P.S.: Are you a fan of Terry Pratchett? Every time I see your name, I
think of Rob Anybody, Big Man of the clan of the Nac Mac Feegle on the
Chalk. Ach! Crivens! You don't have blue skin and trouble leaving pubs,
do you?
Re: movie bad. [message #27541 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 12:27
RobMac  
"Dave Adalian" <dpalta [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Ut2dnYpMPtOGT-vfRVn-hQ [at] comcast.com...
> "RobMac" <rpmccartney [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:GdadnaBTJZgzVOvfRVn-2A [at] comcast.com...
> >
> > "Sundog" <sundog [at] hitchhikersucks.com> wrote in message
> > news:0ozde.442$7U.329 [at] newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
>
> > Says you. I enjoyed it and at the end of the day THAT'S all that
matters.
> >
> > Why are people like you on a crusade against people who actually ENJOY
> > something you don't? Don't you have anything better to do?
>
> Good on you, Rob! That's telling it like it is. I think it's bloody
> obvious Simpson was done and bored with h2g2 and let his loss of that
spark
> cloud his opinion. I loved the movie, and the Guide is better off for its
> being made.
>
>
> Chiggy.
>
> P.S.: Are you a fan of Terry Pratchett? Every time I see your name, I
> think of Rob Anybody, Big Man of the clan of the Nac Mac Feegle on the
> Chalk. Ach! Crivens! You don't have blue skin and trouble leaving pubs,
> do you?
>
>

I have to be honest and say "Terry who?"

I don't have blue skin (except that time I had blue paint spilled on me).

I don't have trouble leaving pubs, there's usually a brutish man who nicely
shows me the ground outside the door. :-)
Re: movie bad. [message #27546 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 15:32
HubCity  
"Sundog" <sundog [at] hitchhikersucks.com> wrote in news:0ozde.442$7U.329
[at] newssvr30.news.prodigy.com:

> M.J. Simpson is one of the world's leading experts on Douglas and
> his work

And not only does he feel that his opinion is the only correct one, his
respect for the *original* work is so flimsy that upon the release of a
single adaptation, he abandons all of it.

Weak.

-HubCity
Re: movie bad. [message #27550 ] Di, 03 Mai 2005 15:47
nacey  
Fat Sam wrote:

> lisalou123 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> awful! bad! terrible! do not, I repeat do not see this movie...
>
>
> Stop it....Just fucking stop it right now.....
>
> I'm sick of people telling me I must not go and see this film....
>
> I will go and see the film tomorrow afternoon, regardless of what you
> tell me to do....
>
> If, in my opinion it is a good film, I will enjoy it....
> If, in my opinion it is a bad film, then I won't enjoy it....
>
> However, I will make that decision for myself....You will not make it
> for me....
>
>
Oh, by all means, go see this movie. If you're a fan, you must. I
don't regret seeing the movie - I actually loved some parts.

But there are just some parts I really really didn't like.

Nancy.
Re: movie bad. [message #29276 ] Mi, 04 Mai 2005 16:25
Fat Sam  
Sundog wrote:
> Nonsense. M.J. Simpson is one of the world's leading experts on Douglas and
> his work and he couldn't have hated it more. You can read his reviews at
> www.planetmagrathea.com or at the link just below, where it is reprinted in
> full by permission. I recommend the long version.

So, Because this guy has written a few books, and knows a bit about the
series, you feel happy to allow him to form your opinions for you?....

> I can only surmise that people who think it resembled the books/radio
> plays/TV shows in any way simply weren't paying much attention and never
> really "got" it in the first place. The movie is an abomination.

Hmmmm....I'm assuming you failed to get the reference to the sheep in
the film then?.....Baaaaaaah!

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Re: movie bad. [message #29277 ] Mi, 04 Mai 2005 16:47
Fat Sam  
Sundog wrote:
> Nonsense. M.J. Simpson is one of the world's leading experts on Douglas and
> his work and he couldn't have hated it more.

Who says this guy is the words leading authority on Douglas
Adams?....Himself, presumably, and a band of sheep have decided to agree
with him....

Okay, he may know more about DNA's private life than me, but frankly, I
don't care much about DNA's private life....I enjoy the stuff he wrote,
but I couldn't care less what he got up to in his spare time....Why
would I?....His private life was private....That's what private means....

So on summary, was he more of an expert about the publicaly available
versions of Douglas Adams' works?....
I sincerely doubt it, and I would challenge the claims that he was....

It sounds to me more like he was a borderline stalker who made a living
off the back of someone elses success....

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Re: movie bad. [message #29281 ] Mi, 04 Mai 2005 17:48
gclapperton  
In article <3ds5k7F6tp1t2U1 [at] individual.net>,
janetandsam [at] beeteeinternet.co.uk (Fat Sam) wrote:

> It sounds to me more like he was a borderline stalker who made a living
> off the back of someone elses success....

A reputable journalist and former editor of SFX if I recall correctly.
Doesn't make him right or wrong - personally I agreed with a lot of his
opinions but found the critique somewhat overwrought, he seemed too close
to it to even approach objectivity.

And no, his opinion doesn't influence mine - and nor should that of any
good journalist. Happy to be set thinking by something they write...

Regards
Guy
Re: movie bad. [message #29282 ] Mi, 04 Mai 2005 18:02
Fat Sam  
gclapperton [at] cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article <3ds5k7F6tp1t2U1 [at] individual.net>,
> janetandsam [at] beeteeinternet.co.uk (Fat Sam) wrote:
>
>
>>It sounds to me more like he was a borderline stalker who made a living
>>off the back of someone elses success....
>
>
> A reputable journalist and former editor of SFX if I recall correctly.
> Doesn't make him right or wrong - personally I agreed with a lot of his
> opinions but found the critique somewhat overwrought, he seemed too close
> to it to even approach objectivity.
>
> And no, his opinion doesn't influence mine - and nor should that of any
> good journalist. Happy to be set thinking by something they write...

Agree with you on that...Good journalism or writing should inspire
further thought and discussion....

<Oolon Quoloophid>
The problems come when people take a persons writing as some sort of
mantra....Then we get into the realms of the bible....An ancient book of
very good short stories, which a bunch of people took a tad too
literally, and as a result of which, spent the next few thousand years
persecuting, torturing, and going to war with other people.
</Oolon Quoloophid>

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Re: movie bad. [message #29310 ] Mi, 04 Mai 2005 22:43
Kaare Fiedler Christi  
Fat Sam wrote:
> Sundog wrote:
>
>> Nonsense. M.J. Simpson is one of the world's leading experts on
>> Douglas and
>> his work and he couldn't have hated it more.
>
> Who says this guy is the words leading authority on Douglas
> Adams?....Himself, presumably, and a band of sheep have decided to agree
> with him....

"Himself" is quite right, himself being of course Douglas Adams, who,
while alive, claimed that MJ Simpson knew a lot more about him (that is
Douglas Adams) then he (again, Douglas Adams) did himself (yes, still
Douglas Adams, otherwise this sentence wouldn't make much sense, would it?).

Just for the record, I'm not going to agree with anyone in this discussion.

Best
Kåre
Re: movie bad. [message #29324 ] Do, 05 Mai 2005 01:03
Fat Sam  
Kaare Fiedler Christiansen wrote:
> Fat Sam wrote:
>
>> Sundog wrote:
>>
>>> Nonsense. M.J. Simpson is one of the world's leading experts on
>>> Douglas and
>>> his work and he couldn't have hated it more.
>>
>>
>> Who says this guy is the words leading authority on Douglas
>> Adams?....Himself, presumably, and a band of sheep have decided to
>> agree with him....
>
>
> "Himself" is quite right, himself being of course Douglas Adams, who,
> while alive, claimed that MJ Simpson knew a lot more about him (that is
> Douglas Adams) then he (again, Douglas Adams) did himself (yes, still
> Douglas Adams, otherwise this sentence wouldn't make much sense, would
> it?).

Yes, but where's the point in knowing everything there is to know about
another person...It's more than just a little bit creepy if you ask me....
Much better to base your knowledge on that persons works....Far more
practical, and much less creepy....

> Just for the record, I'm not going to agree with anyone in this discussion.

A true Devils Advocate....My hat goes off to you....I often wish I could
be so un-biased....


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Re: movie bad. [message #29344 ] Do, 05 Mai 2005 09:00
Dave Adalian  
"RobMac" <rpmccartney [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Adalian" <dpalta [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Ut2dnYpMPtOGT-vfRVn-hQ [at] comcast.com...
>> "RobMac" <rpmccartney [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:GdadnaBTJZgzVOvfRVn-2A [at] comcast.com...
>> >
>> > "Sundog" <sundog [at] hitchhikersucks.com> wrote in message
>> > news:0ozde.442$7U.329 [at] newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>> > Says you. I enjoyed it and at the end of the day THAT'S all that
> matters.
>> >
>> > Why are people like you on a crusade against people who actually ENJOY
>> > something you don't? Don't you have anything better to do?
>>
>> Good on you, Rob! That's telling it like it is. I think it's bloody
>> obvious Simpson was done and bored with h2g2 and let his loss of that
> spark
>> cloud his opinion. I loved the movie, and the Guide is better off for
>> its
>> being made.
>>
>>
>> Chiggy.
>>
>> P.S.: Are you a fan of Terry Pratchett? Every time I see your name, I
>> think of Rob Anybody, Big Man of the clan of the Nac Mac Feegle on the
>> Chalk. Ach! Crivens! You don't have blue skin and trouble leaving
>> pubs,
>> do you?
>>
>>
>
> I have to be honest and say "Terry who?"

Are you kidding? Really? If you like DNA, there's all the chance in the
world you might like Prattchet, as well.

>
> I don't have blue skin (except that time I had blue paint spilled on me).
>

The Feegle are mainly blue because of the tattoos.

> I don't have trouble leaving pubs, there's usually a brutish man who
> nicely
> shows me the ground outside the door. :-)
>

Yeah, that's how the Feegle usually do it, too.


Chiggy.
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